[AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Paul McCall]

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.

While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.

People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on important 
technology and business needs, IMO.

It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

 

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  

 

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

 

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

 

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

 

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

 

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

 

Paul

 

 

 

  On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

   

  I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
$100/month each.

   

  bp

   

  On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

   

  I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

   

  What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the 
list directly, so here goes.

 

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  

 

While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.

 

People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on 
important technology and business needs, IMO.  

 

It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

   

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Justin Wilson]

Here is a novel concept.  If it’s not 100% wisp related don’t worry about a 
subject header cus it’s not a political list. :-) If you want to join a 
political list go to Facebook or a ton of other places you can comment.   How 
many of you walk into the hardware store and start up discussions about 
politics? Maybe some do.  I know i would feel kinda douchey if I did.   Mailing 
lists, IMHO, as targeted troves of information.  I am a GI Joe collector and I 
subscribe to several lists.  The ones I no longer subscribe to are ones that 
got too off topic.

Part of it is the medium.  Look at several of the WISP Facebook groups.  Very 
little off topic conversation because it’s easy to share.  E-mail is a little 
harder just share something. 

I agree with Paul.  Take the policies, that are not 100% WISP related, 
somewhere else.  If you don’t, this list will dry up.  Probably another may or 
may not pop up, but it will go through the same cycle. 


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
> support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet 
> wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>  
> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
> traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
> could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
> least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
> fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
> flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
> the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
> based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama. 
>  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
> maintenance free. 
>  
> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
> came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
> about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or 
> anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to 
> filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a 
> multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute 
> garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You 
> don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the 
> time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You 
> won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  
> Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>  
> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it 
> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to 
> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good 
> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do 
> not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never 
> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t 
> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>  
> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
> PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
> then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
> To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
> related discussions
>  
> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
> others too …
>  
> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
> the infrastructure (which I do) 
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  > wrote:
>  
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
> draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
> $100/month each.
>  
> bp
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>  
> 
> I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
> garbage for sure.
>  
> What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
> from it could 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Rick Harnish]

+1,000,000,000,000,001

 

Respectfully,

 

--

Rick Harnish

 

Director of WISP Markets

 

 <https://na.baicells.com/> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.

Mobile:  (972) 922-1443

 

 <mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> rick.harn...@baicells.com

 <http://www.facebook.com/baicells> www.facebook.com/baicells

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

 

Here is a novel concept.  If it’s not 100% wisp related don’t worry about a 
subject header cus it’s not a political list. :-) If you want to join a 
political list go to Facebook or a ton of other places you can comment.   How 
many of you walk into the hardware store and start up discussions about 
politics? Maybe some do.  I know i would feel kinda douchey if I did.   Mailing 
lists, IMHO, as targeted troves of information.  I am a GI Joe collector and I 
subscribe to several lists.  The ones I no longer subscribe to are ones that 
got too off topic.

 

Part of it is the medium.  Look at several of the WISP Facebook groups.  Very 
little off topic conversation because it’s easy to share.  E-mail is a little 
harder just share something. 

 

I agree with Paul.  Take the policies, that are not 100% WISP related, 
somewhere else.  If you don’t, this list will dry up.  Probably another may or 
may not pop up, but it will go through the same cycle. 

 

 

Justin Wilson

j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net> 

 

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO

xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman

Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

 

On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

 

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

 

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free. 

 

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

 

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

 

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm < <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

 

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

 

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

 

Paul

 

 

 

On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Princ

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Paul Stewart]

Hey Paul …. thanks for the clarification and apologies if I suggested that this 
was around cost…. I know I do and many folks on this list appreciate the work 
being done here to support the list.

I like a list that is self policing and low on formal policies … yes, every 
mailing list needs some rules for sure but keeping it “loose” works well for a 
group like this IMHO

Personally, I like this list a lot - it’s a “goto” list for me even though day 
to day I don’t work with a lot of wireless (our company has a WISP operation 
but I’m only involved from the distance).  I like the list because it’s mainly 
WISP folks who often come up with the absolute most creative ways to approach 
problems … that’s just my take.

thanks,
Paul



> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
> support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet 
> wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>  
> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
> traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
> could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
> least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
> fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
> flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
> the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
> based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama. 
>  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
> maintenance free. 
>  
> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
> came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
> about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or 
> anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to 
> filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a 
> multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute 
> garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You 
> don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the 
> time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You 
> won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  
> Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>  
> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it 
> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to 
> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good 
> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do 
> not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never 
> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t 
> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>  
> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
> PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
> then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
> To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
> related discussions
>  
> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
> others too …
>  
> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
> the infrastructure (which I do) 
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  > wrote:
>  
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
> draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
> $100/month each.
>  
> bp
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>  
> 
> I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
> garbage for sure.
>  
> What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
> from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
> directly, so here goes.
>  
> Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Steve Jones]

can we revisit this quarterly?

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 6:21 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hey Paul …. thanks for the clarification and apologies if I suggested that
> this was around cost…. I know I do and many folks on this list appreciate
> the work being done here to support the list.
>
> I like a list that is self policing and low on formal policies … yes,
> every mailing list needs some rules for sure but keeping it “loose” works
> well for a group like this IMHO
>
> Personally, I like this list a lot - it’s a “goto” list for me even though
> day to day I don’t work with a lot of wireless (our company has a WISP
> operation but I’m only involved from the distance).  I like the list
> because it’s mainly WISP folks who often come up with the absolute most
> creative ways to approach problems … that’s just my take.
>
> thanks,
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck
> and support the valued members that found the list a great resource.
> PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>
> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by
> traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I
> could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at
> least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to
> fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email
> flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we
> made the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a
> server based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no
> other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.
> I love maintenance free.
>
> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political
> season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely
> LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are
> investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I
> wouldn’t want to filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other
> opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t
> stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and
> over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
> continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have
> fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse
> the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>
> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it
> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to
> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good
> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people
> do not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never
> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t
> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>
> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header
> like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something
> similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
> non-business related discussions
>
> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there
> were others too …
>
> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already
> have the infrastructure (which I do)
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive
> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to
> avoid draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be
> more than $100/month each.
>
> bp
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>
> I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been
> utter garbage for sure.
>
> What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have
> benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
> list directly, so here goes.
>
> *Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
> two people a week tell me they no longer look at the l

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Jaime Solorza]

A back channel? ( Too easy)

On May 26, 2017 10:47 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> can we revisit this quarterly?
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 6:21 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
>> Hey Paul …. thanks for the clarification and apologies if I suggested
>> that this was around cost…. I know I do and many folks on this list
>> appreciate the work being done here to support the list.
>>
>> I like a list that is self policing and low on formal policies … yes,
>> every mailing list needs some rules for sure but keeping it “loose” works
>> well for a group like this IMHO
>>
>> Personally, I like this list a lot - it’s a “goto” list for me even
>> though day to day I don’t work with a lot of wireless (our company has a
>> WISP operation but I’m only involved from the distance).  I like the list
>> because it’s mainly WISP folks who often come up with the absolute most
>> creative ways to approach problems … that’s just my take.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck
>> and support the valued members that found the list a great resource.
>> PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>>
>> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly
>> by traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority
>> support.  I could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it
>> now for at least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I
>> mean a LOT to fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular
>> to how email flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I
>> believe we made the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t
>> deal with a server based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting
>> blacklisted, no other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively
>> maintenance free.  I love maintenance free.
>>
>> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political
>> season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely
>> LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are
>> investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I
>> wouldn’t want to filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other
>> opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t
>> stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and
>> over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
>> continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have
>> fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse
>> the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>>
>> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
>> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it
>> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to
>> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good
>> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people
>> do not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never
>> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t
>> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>>
>> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header
>> like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something
>> similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
>> non-business related discussions
>>
>> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there
>> were others too …
>>
>> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already
>> have the infrastructure (which I do)
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive
>> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to
>> avoid draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be
>> more than $100/month each.
>>
>> bp
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been
>> utter garbage for sure.
>>
>> What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have
>> benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Jaime Solorza]

Just watch Mexican or Puerto Rican weather girl shows...you will have a
smile on your face
https://youtu.be/Jd2VTm1e5CA

On Mar 2, 2017 9:46 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

*From:* Paul McCall
*Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
non-business related discussions


My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck
and support the valued members that found the list a great resource.
PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.



Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we
made the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a
server based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no
other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.
I love maintenance free.



I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political
season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely
LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are
investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I
wouldn’t want to filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other
opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t
stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and
over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have
fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse
the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO



As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it
does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to
creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good
contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people
do not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never
watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t
complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.



Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar
and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.



Paul







*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
related discussions



I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were
others too …



Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already
have the infrastructure (which I do)



Paul







On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:



I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to
avoid draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be
more than $100/month each.



bp



On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman <
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:



I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been
utter garbage for sure.



What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have
benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
list directly, so here goes.



*Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
because of that.  *



*While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
of my comment.*



*People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
important technology and business needs, IMO.  *



*It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*



Paul





Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway