Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

[Adam Moffett via Af]

Yes.  We're paying an annual fee for the use poles and existing 
underground ducts.  The fee is regulated by the NY PUC so you can't be 
priced out of the market.but I don't recall what it is.  I don't 
write the check myself.


cheaper than buried? Is that in upfront costs? arent pole fees 
recurring though or is that normally just a one time fee?



On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Robbie Wright via Af > wrote:


All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some
cities own the poles, some power companies own the poles, and
other utilities own the poles. Find the poles you want to go on,
get their ID numbers off each pole, and then contact each pole
owner to get a contract. In our locality, the power company owns
99% of the poles and they are pretty easy to work with. Other
states you'll have pole attach agreements with 4 companies, each
with different rules, different engineering specs, and different
prices. "Make ready" fees are what you'll get hit with, meaning
the pole owner will charge you if they have to improve the poles
to take the load/make room for your cable.

Some states will require you to be a CLEC, others won't. Some
cities or counties will require a franchise agreement, others won't.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101 

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and
what is the normal fee structure? What license do you need or
permits to be able to place aerial cable? Some type of
franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for
labor,fees, materials etc?





--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

[Carlos Alcantar via Af]

Restoration can be quite expensive for underground.  Some cities try and use 
your construction as there stop gap to fix there st’s.  We’ve been asked to re 
pave and entire st and fix all the side walks for submitting to go 120 ft of 
underground from a vault to a pole.  Things like that can kill a deal.  Poles 
are fairly straight forward it can be a little frustrating to have to deal with 
multi pole vendors on a single run it happens and is totally workable.  Just my 
2 cents


Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com<mailto:car...@race.com> / 
http://www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>


From: Jason McKemie via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 at 2:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

Considerably cheaper than buried if the pole owner is reasonable. It can start 
to get close if they're a pain in the ass. There are up front pole fees and 
pole rent, the fees are generally one time and the rent is recurring.

-Jason

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
cheaper than buried? Is that in upfront costs? arent pole fees recurring though 
or is that normally just a one time fee?


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Robbie Wright via Af 
> wrote:
All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities own 
the poles, some power companies own the poles, and other utilities own the 
poles. Find the poles you want to go on, get their ID numbers off each pole, 
and then contact each pole owner to get a contract. In our locality, the power 
company owns 99% of the poles and they are pretty easy to work with. Other 
states you'll have pole attach agreements with 4 companies, each with different 
rules, different engineering specs, and different prices. "Make ready" fees are 
what you'll get hit with, meaning the pole owner will charge you if they have 
to improve the poles to take the load/make room for your cable.

Some states will require you to be a CLEC, others won't. Some cities or 
counties will require a franchise agreement, others won't.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband<http://siuslawbroadband.com>
541-902-5101

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af 
> wrote:

How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal 
fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial 
cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for 
labor,fees, materials etc?




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

[Jason McKemie via Af]

Considerably cheaper than buried if the pole owner is reasonable. It can
start to get close if they're a pain in the ass. There are up front pole
fees and pole rent, the fees are generally one time and the rent is
recurring.

-Jason

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, That One Guy via Af  wrote:

> cheaper than buried? Is that in upfront costs? arent pole fees recurring
> though or is that normally just a one time fee?
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Robbie Wright via Af  > wrote:
>
>> All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities
>> own the poles, some power companies own the poles, and other utilities own
>> the poles. Find the poles you want to go on, get their ID numbers off each
>> pole, and then contact each pole owner to get a contract. In our locality,
>> the power company owns 99% of the poles and they are pretty easy to work
>> with. Other states you'll have pole attach agreements with 4 companies,
>> each with different rules, different engineering specs, and different
>> prices. "Make ready" fees are what you'll get hit with, meaning the pole
>> owner will charge you if they have to improve the poles to take the
>> load/make room for your cable.
>>
>> Some states will require you to be a CLEC, others won't. Some cities or
>> counties will require a franchise agreement, others won't.
>>
>>
>> Robbie Wright
>> Siuslaw Broadband 
>> 541-902-5101
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af > > wrote:
>>
>>> How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the
>>> normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to
>>> place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial
>>> fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

[That One Guy via Af]

cheaper than buried? Is that in upfront costs? arent pole fees recurring
though or is that normally just a one time fee?


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Robbie Wright via Af  wrote:

> All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities
> own the poles, some power companies own the poles, and other utilities own
> the poles. Find the poles you want to go on, get their ID numbers off each
> pole, and then contact each pole owner to get a contract. In our locality,
> the power company owns 99% of the poles and they are pretty easy to work
> with. Other states you'll have pole attach agreements with 4 companies,
> each with different rules, different engineering specs, and different
> prices. "Make ready" fees are what you'll get hit with, meaning the pole
> owner will charge you if they have to improve the poles to take the
> load/make room for your cable.
>
> Some states will require you to be a CLEC, others won't. Some cities or
> counties will require a franchise agreement, others won't.
>
>
> Robbie Wright
> Siuslaw Broadband 
> 541-902-5101
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>
>> How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the
>> normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to
>> place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial
>> fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?
>>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

[Robbie Wright via Af]

All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities
own the poles, some power companies own the poles, and other utilities own
the poles. Find the poles you want to go on, get their ID numbers off each
pole, and then contact each pole owner to get a contract. In our locality,
the power company owns 99% of the poles and they are pretty easy to work
with. Other states you'll have pole attach agreements with 4 companies,
each with different rules, different engineering specs, and different
prices. "Make ready" fees are what you'll get hit with, meaning the pole
owner will charge you if they have to improve the poles to take the
load/make room for your cable.

Some states will require you to be a CLEC, others won't. Some cities or
counties will require a franchise agreement, others won't.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

> How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the
> normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to
> place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial
> fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Many states regulate this.  So you need to see what the rules are.  The rules 
keep the power company from screwing you too much.  You still get screwed.

Much of this is determined by who owns the pole and if there is enough room on 
the pole for you.  You will also have to pay for the the cost of replacing the 
pole if your cable adds enough additional load that it is overloaded.  Then 
there is a whole bunch of “make ready” work you will have to pay for.  

But yes, very doable.  Cheaper than underground.  

From: TJ Trout via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal 
fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial 
cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for 
labor,fees, materials etc?

[AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

[TJ Trout via Af]

How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the
normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to
place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial
fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?