Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Several thousand satellites self-destructing in the atmosphere 7 years from now
should be exciting.
I remember Skylab.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I think they all have de-orbiting thrusters on them now so they don’t end up as
junk.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says orbit 715-790 miles and useful life 5-7 years, decay within 1 year
after that.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Perhaps by then they’ll put little EM drives in each one to combat orbital
decay.
Chris Wright
Network Administrator
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
At 100 miles, I would think that the decay rate would be too high. Usable,
low-maintenance LEO would probably start around 200 miles, but IANARS (I am not
a rocket scientist).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/17/2016 11:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink.
So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those cone shaped
GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in LEO? That's at
least a hundred miles up isn't it?
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To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere
going everywhere. I'd think like GPS.
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also
that the sats will communicate with each other.
Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to
customers is a bit of marketing hype.
Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market
this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones.
SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service,
I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a
Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise
to, and offer bundle deals to.
Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you
can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution
for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want
indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the
southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in
all directions?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I didn’t see what frequencies they are using.
Earth stations would need to track them I would think.
From: Tushar Patel
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I think they all have de-orbiting thrusters on them now so they don’t end up as
junk.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says orbit 715-790 miles and useful life 5-7 years, decay within 1 year
after that.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Perhaps by then they’ll put little EM drives in each one to combat orbital
decay.
Chris Wright
Network Administrator
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
At 100 miles, I would think that the decay rate would be too high. Usable,
low-maintenance LEO would probably start around 200 miles, but IANARS (I am not
a rocket scientist).
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/17/2016 11:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink.
So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those cone
shaped GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in LEO? That's
at least a hundred miles up isn't it?
-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be
everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats,
also that the sats will communicate with each other.
Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to
customers is a bit of marketing hype.
Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market
this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones.
SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet
service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage
a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise
to, and offer bundle deals to.
Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people,
you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great
solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies,
they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be
in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz
overhead in all directions?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I didn’t see what frequencies they are using.
Earth stations would need to track them I would think.
From: Tushar Patel
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says orbit 715-790 miles and useful life 5-7 years, decay within 1 year
after that.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Perhaps by then they’ll put little EM drives in each one to combat orbital
decay.
Chris Wright
Network Administrator
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
At 100 miles, I would think that the decay rate would be too high. Usable,
low-maintenance LEO would probably start around 200 miles, but IANARS (I am not
a rocket scientist).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/17/2016 11:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink.
So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those cone shaped
GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in LEO? That's at
least a hundred miles up isn't it?
-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere
going everywhere. I'd think like GPS.
-
Mike Hammett
<http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also
that the sats will communicate with each other.
Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to
customers is a bit of marketing hype.
Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market
this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones.
SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service,
I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a
Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise
to, and offer bundle deals to.
Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you
can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution
for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want
indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the
southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in
all directions?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I didn’t see what frequencies they are using.
Earth stations would need to track them I would think.
From: Tushar Patel
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
That was an interesting read, there are about 200 ground stations that measure the GPS satellite positions with very precise radar. Then they tell the satellite where it is once an hour so it can tell us where it is all the time. Positional error is a couple of meters. Pretty danged impressive accuracy for something that is about 12,000 miles away. Imagine if you hacked the ephermeral data uplink and told them all they were somewhere else. Talk about screwing up everything. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC They do have an uplink (for their own use). I think that ground based stations determine the satellite position and uplinks that data so that it can broadcast its position. Not sure if it is altitude above geoid that is the most critical bit of ephermal data or if it actually transmits 3D positional data. Never studied it hard enough. Super accurate timing info doesn’t do much for you unless you knew where it originated. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink. So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those cone shaped GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in LEO? That's at least a hundred miles up isn't it? -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other. Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to customers is a bit of marketing hype. Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones. SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to. Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all directions? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. Earth stations would need to track them I would think. From: Tushar Patel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Perhaps by then they’ll put little EM drives in each one to combat orbital
decay.
Chris Wright
Network Administrator
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
At 100 miles, I would think that the decay rate would be too high. Usable,
low-maintenance LEO would probably start around 200 miles, but IANARS (I am not
a rocket scientist).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/17/2016 11:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink.
So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those cone shaped
GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in LEO? That's at
least a hundred miles up isn't it?
-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere
going everywhere. I'd think like GPS.
-
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also
that the sats will communicate with each other.
Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to
customers is a bit of marketing hype.
Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market
this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones.
SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service,
I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a
Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise
to, and offer bundle deals to.
Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you
can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution
for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want
indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the
southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in
all directions?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I didn’t see what frequencies they are using.
Earth stations would need to track them I would think.
From: Tushar Patel
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Well I guess it's only 6db more to get to 200 miles.
I followed links to the application and they're talking about Ku and Ka
bands.
That's as far as I'm going to read during the work day. I'm still
curious how much tx you would need your CPE to get a useable uplink path
to the satellite, and how big of an antenna.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/17/2016 2:39:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
At 100 miles, I would think that the decay rate would be too high.
Usable, low-maintenance LEO would probably start around 200 miles, but
IANARS (I am not a rocket scientist).
bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/17/2016 11:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink.
So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those
cone shaped GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in
LEO? That's at least a hundred miles up isn't it?
-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be
everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the
sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other.
Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service
to customers is a bit of marketing hype.
Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they
market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought
Iridium phones.
SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for
Internet service, I assume they will need partners or resellers.
That is the advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of
existing customers they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to.
Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house”
people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still
not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without
south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am
assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS
sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all
directions?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I didn’t see what frequencies they are using.
Earth stations would need to track them I would think.
From: Tushar Patel
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
They do have an uplink (for their own use). I think that ground based stations determine the satellite position and uplinks that data so that it can broadcast its position. Not sure if it is altitude above geoid that is the most critical bit of ephermal data or if it actually transmits 3D positional data. Never studied it hard enough. Super accurate timing info doesn’t do much for you unless you knew where it originated. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink. So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those cone shaped GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in LEO? That's at least a hundred miles up isn't it? -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other. Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to customers is a bit of marketing hype. Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones. SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to. Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all directions? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. Earth stations would need to track them I would think. From: Tushar Patel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Of course... I am gullible and uneducated On Nov 17, 2016 12:36 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Behind the moon (which is hollow, BTW). Don’t you read the fake news > sites? > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:18 PM > *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC > > > > Oh sure 4000...where the UFOs supposed to fly now? > > > > On Nov 17, 2016 9:53 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be > everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC > > Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, > also that the sats will communicate with each other. > > > > Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to > customers is a bit of marketing hype. > > > > Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market > this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium > phones. > > > > SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet > service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the > advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they > can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to. > > > > Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, > you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great > solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing > balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits > will still be in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and > they will whiz overhead in all directions? > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC > > > > I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. > > Earth stations would need to track them I would think. > > > > *From:* Tushar Patel > > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC > > > > http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite- > constellation-2016-11 > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
At 100 miles, I would think that the decay rate would be too high.
Usable, low-maintenance LEO would probably start around 200 miles, but
IANARS (I am not a rocket scientist).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/17/2016 11:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink.
So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those
cone shaped GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in
LEO? That's at least a hundred miles up isn't it?
-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be
everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS.
-
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the
sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other.
Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service
to customers is a bit of marketing hype.
Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they
market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought
Iridium phones.
SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for
Internet service, I assume they will need partners or resellers.
That is the advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of
existing customers they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to.
Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house”
people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still
not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without
south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am
assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS
sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all directions?
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I didn’t see what frequencies they are using.
Earth stations would need to track them I would think.
*From:*Tushar Patel
*Sent:*Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink. So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those cone shaped GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in LEO? That's at least a hundred miles up isn't it? -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other. Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to customers is a bit of marketing hype. Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones. SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to. Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all directions? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. Earth stations would need to track them I would think. From: Tushar Patel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Behind the moon (which is hollow, BTW). Don’t you read the fake news sites? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:18 PM To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC Oh sure 4000...where the UFOs supposed to fly now? On Nov 17, 2016 9:53 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other. Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to customers is a bit of marketing hype. Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones. SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to. Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all directions? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. Earth stations would need to track them I would think. From: Tushar Patel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Oh sure 4000...where the UFOs supposed to fly now? On Nov 17, 2016 9:53 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be > everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC > > Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, > also that the sats will communicate with each other. > > > > Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to > customers is a bit of marketing hype. > > > > Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market > this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium > phones. > > > > SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet > service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the > advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they > can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to. > > > > Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, > you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great > solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing > balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits > will still be in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and > they will whiz overhead in all directions? > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC > > > > I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. > > Earth stations would need to track them I would think. > > > > *From:* Tushar Patel > > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC > > > > http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite- > constellation-2016-11 > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
If they are LEO, they will be all over the place like a GPS satellite. I
would imagine mostly in polar orbits? They would still have to deal with
multiple, possibly overlapping orbits.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/17/2016 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the
sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other.
Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to
customers is a bit of marketing hype.
Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they
market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought
Iridium phones.
SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet
service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the
advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers
they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to.
Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house”
people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still
not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without
south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am
assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS
sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all directions?
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I didn’t see what frequencies they are using.
Earth stations would need to track them I would think.
*From:*Tushar Patel
*Sent:*Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere going everywhere. I'd think like GPS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other. Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to customers is a bit of marketing hype. Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones. SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to. Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all directions? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. Earth stations would need to track them I would think. From: Tushar Patel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, also that the sats will communicate with each other. Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to customers is a bit of marketing hype. Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market this? Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones. SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet service, I assume they will need partners or resellers. That is the advantage a Verizon, AT or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise to, and offer bundle deals to. Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard. Still not a great solution for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want indoor wireless modems. I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in all directions? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. Earth stations would need to track them I would think. From: Tushar Patel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
I didn’t see what frequencies they are using. Earth stations would need to track them I would think. From: Tushar Patel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
"The system�s use of low-Earth orbits will allow it to target latencies of approximately 25-35 ms." On 11/17/2016 10:56 AM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote: Wow� that would be incredible if it gets off the ground. We know that he can get cargo into space now�so it is a high probability. Wonder what the latency would be?�. Probably at least 100ms or better�I would think. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:01 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
Wow... that would be incredible if it gets off the ground. We know that he can get cargo into space now...so it is a high probability. Wonder what the latency would be? Probably at least 100ms or better...I would think. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11
[AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC
http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016- 11
