Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Paul Stewart]

I am always missing some portion of the messages from this mailing list - I
don't consider Amazon to be super reliable specifically for email delivery .
definitely not.

 

I belong to a few dozen mailing lists and AFMUG is the only one where I see
this.

 

Just my two cents worth . 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

 

Guys,

I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't
missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.

However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your
mail server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to
submit to have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.

I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related concerns,
has been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for a very
small number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't hurt
anything.  Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of mail to
your server for any reason, that problem is only fixed through submitting to
AWS to get off the suppression list.

Paul



  _  

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince
[part15...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

You have an anti-AWS virus.




bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>  ? Having problems with the list!

 

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Luthman]

I have no issues with any mailing lists except for situation like NANOG a
while back that got slammed with spam.  The same situation happened to
Amazon and it handled it just fine =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> I am always missing some portion of the messages from this mailing list –
> I don’t consider Amazon to be super reliable specifically for email
> delivery … definitely not…
>
>
>
> I belong to a few dozen mailing lists and AFMUG is the only one where I
> see this.
>
>
>
> Just my two cents worth …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 1:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't
> missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.
>
> However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your
> mail server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to
> submit to have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.
>
> I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related
> concerns, has been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for
> a very small number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't
> hurt anything.  Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of
> mail to your server for any reason, that problem is only fixed through
> submitting to AWS to get off the suppression list.
>
> Paul
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince [
> part15...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
>
> You have an anti-AWS virus.
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems
> with the list!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Paul McCall]

It’s hard to know every situation.  My gmail account for list testing doesn’t 
do anything odd on the few times that I have used it.

Josh,  I would have to trace every step being made to know what, when and how 
this or that happened.  Obviously, Mailman (not related to AWS) thought you 
were still subscribed if you received an email.  And, the unsubscribe thing was 
probably tied to when you, in your words… unsubscribed.  Can I explain the 
timing on WHEN you received the email…No.

Usually though, when we have tracked these situations fully for people, it’s 
pretty predictable or definable on what happened when.  Enough so, that when 
someone asks about a problem, the first thing we check is the AWS suppression 
list.  It doesn’t happen, but goes in waves if you will.

Just like AFMUG email in general goes through mini-seasons when some firewall, 
spam systems suddenly detect it as spam, and someone has to complain that those 
emails are not spam, and then they run fine for a long while.  For example, we 
use Postlayer and every few months or so, “some” of the AFMUG email will go to 
Quarantine and we have to gripe.

Some of this is just part of the deal.
Best practices would be to email us when you first have a problem before you 
start unsubscribing and re-subscribing, because that is NOT the primary fix, 
and potentially compromises the troubleshooting workflow.  Its like a customer 
unplugging all the wires to their router before they call you for support.

Paul




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

I just don't really see google gmail having delivery problems, I've never 
missed a single email ever sent to me by a person (that I can recall) is there 
a chance that maybe aws is using some IP's blacklisted by google occasionally 
and that's causing this issue??

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Josh Reynolds < > wrote:

Also, I now see this:
On Nov 30, 2015 1:06 PM, "Josh Baird" 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Double email (when you send) seems to be normal for whatever reason.

On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm going to counter this with my experiences...

I could receive list mail, but I wasn't subscribed. How?

Requested removal again, this time I stopped getting mail.

Requested list again, authorized the list and amazonses. Now when I send mail, 
I see it hit twice... Once from "afmug", once from amazonses.

Using google mail.
On Nov 30, 2015 12:58 PM, "Paul McCall" 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Guys,

I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't 
missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.

However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your mail 
server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to submit to 
have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.

I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related concerns, has 
been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for a very small 
number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't hurt anything.  
Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of mail to your server 
for any reason, that problem is only fixed through submitting to AWS to get off 
the suppression list.

Paul


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Bill 
Prince [part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
You have an anti-AWS virus.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

If you see this can you reply here and cc 
t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> ? Having problems with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Baird]

Double email (when you send) seems to be normal for whatever reason.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm going to counter this with my experiences...
> 
> I could receive list mail, but I wasn't subscribed. How?
> 
> Requested removal again, this time I stopped getting mail.
> 
> Requested list again, authorized the list and amazonses. Now when I send 
> mail, I see it hit twice... Once from "afmug", once from amazonses.
> 
> Using google mail.
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2015 12:58 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't 
>> missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.
>> 
>> However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your 
>> mail server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to 
>> submit to have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.
>> 
>> I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related concerns, 
>> has been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for a very 
>> small number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't hurt 
>> anything.  Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of mail to 
>> your server for any reason, that problem is only fixed through submitting to 
>> AWS to get off the suppression list.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince 
>> [part15...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
>> 
>> You have an anti-AWS virus.
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>>> On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>> If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems 
>>> with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Chuck McCown]

But the list doesn’t see it, only you.  I think it is a gmail artifact.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

Double email (when you send) seems to be normal for whatever reason.


On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:


  I'm going to counter this with my experiences...

  I could receive list mail, but I wasn't subscribed. How?

  Requested removal again, this time I stopped getting mail.

  Requested list again, authorized the list and amazonses. Now when I send 
mail, I see it hit twice... Once from "afmug", once from amazonses.

  Using google mail.

  On Nov 30, 2015 12:58 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

Guys,

I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't 
missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.

However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your 
mail server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to 
submit to have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.

I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related concerns, 
has been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for a very small 
number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't hurt anything.  
Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of mail to your server 
for any reason, that problem is only fixed through submitting to AWS to get off 
the suppression list.

Paul






From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince 
[part15...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123


You have an anti-AWS virus.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

  If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having 
problems with the list!

[AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout]

If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems
with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Chuck McCown]

yes

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Testing 123

If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems 
with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Reynolds]

I can see this...

WTF is going on with the list lately?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:59 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems
> with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Luthman]

Well since it's working just fine for me and probably a bunch of
others...probably your server...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I can see this...
>
> WTF is going on with the list lately?
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:59 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> > If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having
> problems
> > with the list!
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Reynolds]

Oh, you mean google? :)

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Well since it's working just fine for me and probably a bunch of
> others...probably your server...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> I can see this...
>>
>> WTF is going on with the list lately?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:59 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>> > If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having
>> > problems
>> > with the list!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Jaime Solorza]

no

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> yes
>
> *From:* TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 10:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Testing 123
>
>
> If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems
> with the list!
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout via Af]

.
On Oct 29, 2014 5:16 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout via Af]

Test 1211pm
On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout via Af]

Test 1213
On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 Test 1211pm
 On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Paul McCall via Af]

All good TJ ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123


Test 1213
On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

Test 1211pm
On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout via Af]

Yes, I think my email had some bounces and it automatically unsubscribed
me, that's all I can come up with

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  All good TJ ?



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:13 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123



 Test 1213

 On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 Test 1211pm

 On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Bill Prince via Af]

x31 x32 x33

Back to you TJ

bp



On 10/29/2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: