Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
50 MHz guard band, that's what I was after :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Jeremy wrote: > I have them at 10MHz channel width. One is at 2412 and one is at 2462. I > usually always do them like that unless there is localized interference on > one of those channels. > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Jeremy, how much of a guard band was used on this? 20 MHz? 40 MHz? >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Jeremy wrote: >> >>> I have done this with Ubiquiti on 10Mhz channels without issue. We also >>> have a site with them back to back on 20MHz channels at both ends without >>> issue. They have 4-5' of horizontal separation shooting the same direction >>> and 2-3' back to back. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz >>> wrote: >>> So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree sector( again KP ) on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same direction) When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg. I have placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. How much of a guard band did you use? The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn’t have the same shielding on top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. Thanks, Brandon >>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
I have them at 10MHz channel width. One is at 2412 and one is at 2462. I usually always do them like that unless there is localized interference on one of those channels. On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Jeremy, how much of a guard band was used on this? 20 MHz? 40 MHz? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Jeremy wrote: > >> I have done this with Ubiquiti on 10Mhz channels without issue. We also >> have a site with them back to back on 20MHz channels at both ends without >> issue. They have 4-5' of horizontal separation shooting the same direction >> and 2-3' back to back. >> >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz >> wrote: >> >>> So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and >>> we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at >>> those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to >>> congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the >>> customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree >>> sector( again KP ) on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed >>> this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector >>> and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same >>> direction) >>> >>> >>> >>> When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg. I have >>> placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the >>> bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower >>> pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did >>> you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. >>> >>> >>> >>> How much of a guard band did you use? >>> >>> >>> >>> The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn’t have the same shielding on >>> top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
Jeremy, how much of a guard band was used on this? 20 MHz? 40 MHz? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Jeremy wrote: > I have done this with Ubiquiti on 10Mhz channels without issue. We also > have a site with them back to back on 20MHz channels at both ends without > issue. They have 4-5' of horizontal separation shooting the same direction > and 2-3' back to back. > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz > wrote: > >> So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and >> we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at >> those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to >> congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the >> customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree >> sector( again KP ) on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed >> this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector >> and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same >> direction) >> >> >> >> When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg. I have >> placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the >> bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. >> >> >> >> >> >> So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower >> pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did >> you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. >> >> >> >> How much of a guard band did you use? >> >> >> >> The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn’t have the same shielding on >> top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
When I talked to KP today they seem to think that because they were side by side the side lobe of the antenna was being infringed on. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location. The only other thing I could think is to try playing with the front sector / back sector thing. That's part of the Cambium wifi TDD sync secret sauce. I have no idea what that does exactly, and I could be completely wrong, but a SWAG would be something along the lines of transmit frame spreading on Canopy. That sort of randomizes the AP beacon frame so SMs have a better chance of hearing it in a noisy environment, or in the FSK world, so beacon frames from multiple APs don't clobber each other. On 3/1/2017 8:57 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Yes both GPS synced. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:46 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location. I assume these APs are already synced? If it's possible to get some of them onto 5ghz, that would be the way to go... otherwise, I'd say a 40mhz channel on one AP is worth a try. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup wrote: It isn't too hard to overload the front-end in the ePMP 1k. Just like the RocketM. I really doubt they're going to do a 2.4 ePMP 2000. Can you try a 40MHz channel on one of the 2.4 APs and shut the other one off? I don't know your setup and terrain, but I would try an ePMP 2k and off-load the customers with good LOS. On 3/1/2017 7:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree sector( again KP ) �on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same direction) � When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg.� I have placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. � � So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. � How much of a guard band did you use? � The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn�t have the same shielding on top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. � Thanks, Brandon � � � �
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
The only other thing I could think is to try playing with the front sector / back sector thing. That's part of the Cambium wifi TDD sync secret sauce. I have no idea what that does exactly, and I could be completely wrong, but a SWAG would be something along the lines of transmit frame spreading on Canopy. That sort of randomizes the AP beacon frame so SMs have a better chance of hearing it in a noisy environment, or in the FSK world, so beacon frames from multiple APs don't clobber each other. On 3/1/2017 8:57 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Yes both GPS synced. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:46 PM *To:* af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location. I assume these APs are already synced? If it's possible to get some of them onto 5ghz, that would be the way to go... otherwise, I'd say a 40mhz channel on one AP is worth a try. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote: It isn't too hard to overload the front-end in the ePMP 1k. Just like the RocketM. I really doubt they're going to do a 2.4 ePMP 2000. Can you try a 40MHz channel on one of the 2.4 APs and shut the other one off? I don't know your setup and terrain, but I would try an ePMP 2k and off-load the customers with good LOS. On 3/1/2017 7:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree sector( again KP ) �on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same direction) � When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg.� I have placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. � � So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. � How much of a guard band did you use? � The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn�t have the same shielding on top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. � Thanks, Brandon � � � �
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
George, Lots of near line of site on this location. We used it to offload old 900fsk. Ill put up 5ghz but not until summer when leaf cover is in full bloom. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 7:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location. It isn't too hard to overload the front-end in the ePMP 1k. Just like the RocketM. I really doubt they're going to do a 2.4 ePMP 2000. Can you try a 40MHz channel on one of the 2.4 APs and shut the other one off? I don't know your setup and terrain, but I would try an ePMP 2k and off-load the customers with good LOS. On 3/1/2017 7:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree sector( again KP ) �on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same direction) � When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg.� I have placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. � � So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. � How much of a guard band did you use? � The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn�t have the same shielding on top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. � Thanks, Brandon � � � �
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
Yes both GPS synced. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:46 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location. I assume these APs are already synced? If it's possible to get some of them onto 5ghz, that would be the way to go... otherwise, I'd say a 40mhz channel on one AP is worth a try. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup wrote: It isn't too hard to overload the front-end in the ePMP 1k. Just like the RocketM. I really doubt they're going to do a 2.4 ePMP 2000. Can you try a 40MHz channel on one of the 2.4 APs and shut the other one off? I don't know your setup and terrain, but I would try an ePMP 2k and off-load the customers with good LOS. On 3/1/2017 7:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree sector( again KP ) �on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same direction) � When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg.� I have placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. � � So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. � How much of a guard band did you use? � The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn�t have the same shielding on top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. � Thanks, Brandon � � � �
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
I assume these APs are already synced? If it's possible to get some of them onto 5ghz, that would be the way to go... otherwise, I'd say a 40mhz channel on one AP is worth a try. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup wrote: > It isn't too hard to overload the front-end in the ePMP 1k. Just like the > RocketM. I really doubt they're going to do a 2.4 ePMP 2000. > > Can you try a 40MHz channel on one of the 2.4 APs and shut the other one > off? I don't know your setup and terrain, but I would try an ePMP 2k and > off-load the customers with good LOS. > > On 3/1/2017 7:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > > So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we > have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those > customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to > congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the > customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree > sector( again KP ) �on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed > this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector > and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same > direction) > > � > > When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg.� I have > placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the > bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. > > � > > � > > So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower > pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did > you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. > > � > > How much of a guard band did you use? > > � > > The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn�t have the same shielding on > top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. > > � > > Thanks, > > Brandon > > � > > � > > � > > � > > >
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
It isn't too hard to overload the front-end in the ePMP 1k. Just like the RocketM. I really doubt they're going to do a 2.4 ePMP 2000. Can you try a 40MHz channel on one of the 2.4 APs and shut the other one off? I don't know your setup and terrain, but I would try an ePMP 2k and off-load the customers with good LOS. On 3/1/2017 7:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree sector( again KP ) on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same direction) When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg. I have placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. How much of a guard band did you use? The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn�t have the same shielding on top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. Thanks, Brandon
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
I have done this with Ubiquiti on 10Mhz channels without issue. We also have a site with them back to back on 20MHz channels at both ends without issue. They have 4-5' of horizontal separation shooting the same direction and 2-3' back to back. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we > have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those > customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to > congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the > customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree > sector( again KP ) on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed > this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector > and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same > direction) > > > > When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg. I have > placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the > bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. > > > > > > So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower > pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did > you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. > > > > How much of a guard band did you use? > > > > The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn’t have the same shielding on > top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. > > > > Thanks, > > Brandon > > > > > > > > >
[AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.
So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree sector( again KP ) on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same direction) When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg. I have placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over. So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did. How much of a guard band did you use? The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn't have the same shielding on top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI. Thanks, Brandon
