Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
In the header, yes, it will show the actual sender for the From line From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Sounds good, will this show the sender of each email in the from line, or is that a separate matter entirely? On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Is the poll closed yet? If not, I'd like to vote Yay also which would seem to put the count at 2-0 in favor! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 8:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Yay Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 8:20 PM Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 0148c4289a8a-55eb447f-6dbb-485f-b178-9f956e87d322-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net amazonses.com / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net amazonses.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
I hope you'll tell the list when the messages get sent so I can look for it. Git r done. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:48 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Is the poll closed yet? If not, I’d like to vote “Yay” also which would seem to put the count at 2-0 in favor! *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller via Af *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 8:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Yay Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 8:20 PM Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 0148c4289a8a-55eb447f-6dbb-485f-b178-9f956e87d322-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net this sender / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net amazonses.com http://amazonses.com / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2650304992domain=litewire.net amazonses.com http://amazonses.com enterprise-wide /This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
I say Booya! bp On 9/29/2014 6:35 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Just reply to the authentication request... that's all *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Yay Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 8:20 PM Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Just reply to the authentication request... that's all From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder... Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in... indiscriminately From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
will my leg hurt when its over On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder… Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in… indiscriminately *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
If you want it to, just find a rock and hit your leg with it. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 8:40:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered will my leg hurt when its over On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder… Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in… indiscriminately From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: blockquote Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Only if you’re doing it right ! ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered will my leg hurt when its over On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder… Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in… indiscriminately From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
