Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Magnum inverters have an AC input cutoff where if it dips below, they
invert and cancel charge.

Very, very good rugged units. American made with good warranties.

On Dec 27, 2016 11:55 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I’ve never used the Tripp Lite APC series, but I believe their main
> purpose is emergency vehicles, RVs, boats, etc. where they switch
> automatically between battery and shore power.  Using similar units in the
> past, I have found one thing to look for is how low the shore (commercial)
> power has to be for the transfer switch to switch to batteries.  They may
> just use a relay, assuming commercial power is either there or it isn’t.
> But we get a lot of partial voltage situations like 60 or 80 volts, and a
> lot of our electronics won’t run on that.  It’s very frustrating to drive
> out to a site that is down, and find a fully charged battery string that
> isn’t being used because the ATS thinks 80 volts is plenty.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Corson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 11:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites
>
>
>
> How about a APC750 or APC1250 tripplite inverter/charger?
>
> Also I wanted to have a way to monitor how long of runtime the batteries
> have remaining...like the APC smart UPS units.
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2016, at 2:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> The tool you're looking for in relation to the monitoring is a packetflux
> sitemonitor base unit.
>
>
>
> Others can point you toward the chargers.
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2016 11:36 PM, "Josh Corson" <j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:
>
> What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
> standard off the shelve UPS?
> The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
> of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
> buy batteries.
> However, what are you using for:
>
> 1. Inverter / charger
> 2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
> The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
> monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
> models at 1k.
>
> Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
> bank...
>
> If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
> Josh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I’ve never used the Tripp Lite APC series, but I believe their main purpose is 
emergency vehicles, RVs, boats, etc. where they switch automatically between 
battery and shore power.  Using similar units in the past, I have found one 
thing to look for is how low the shore (commercial) power has to be for the 
transfer switch to switch to batteries.  They may just use a relay, assuming 
commercial power is either there or it isn’t.  But we get a lot of partial 
voltage situations like 60 or 80 volts, and a lot of our electronics won’t run 
on that.  It’s very frustrating to drive out to a site that is down, and find a 
fully charged battery string that isn’t being used because the ATS thinks 80 
volts is plenty.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Corson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

How about a APC750 or APC1250 tripplite inverter/charger? 

Also I wanted to have a way to monitor how long of runtime the batteries have 
remaining...like the APC smart UPS units. 


On Dec 27, 2016, at 2:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

The tool you're looking for in relation to the monitoring is a packetflux 
sitemonitor base unit.  

 

Others can point you toward the chargers.

 

On Dec 26, 2016 11:36 PM, "Josh Corson" <j...@bluebitnetworks.com 
<mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com> > wrote:

What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
standard off the shelve UPS?
The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
buy batteries.
However, what are you using for:

1. Inverter / charger
2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.

The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
models at 1k.

Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery bank...

If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!

Josh

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Josh Corson 
How about a APC750 or APC1250 tripplite inverter/charger?
Also I wanted to have a way to monitor how long of runtime the batteries
have remaining...like the APC smart UPS units.

On Dec 27, 2016, at 2:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

The tool you're looking for in relation to the monitoring is a packetflux
sitemonitor base unit.

Others can point you toward the chargers.

On Dec 26, 2016 11:36 PM, "Josh Corson"  wrote:

> What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
> standard off the shelve UPS?
> The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
> of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
> buy batteries.
> However, what are you using for:
>
> 1. Inverter / charger
> 2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
> The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
> monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
> models at 1k.
>
> Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
> bank...
>
> If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
> Josh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Josh Corson 
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2016, at 2:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

The tool you're looking for in relation to the monitoring is a packetflux
sitemonitor base unit.

Others can point you toward the chargers.

On Dec 26, 2016 11:36 PM, "Josh Corson"  wrote:

> What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
> standard off the shelve UPS?
> The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
> of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
> buy batteries.
> However, what are you using for:
>
> 1. Inverter / charger
> 2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
> The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
> monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
> models at 1k.
>
> Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
> bank...
>
> If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
> Josh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Keefe John 

Alpha FXM or Tripplite APS.


On 12/27/2016 10:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


http://www.tripplite.com/snmp-web-management-accessory-card-smartpro-smartonline-ups-systems~SNMPWEBCARD/ 
<http://www.tripplite.com/snmp-web-management-accessory-card-smartpro-smartonline-ups-systems%7ESNMPWEBCARD/>


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 10:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Only downside to tripp lite gear is they have no way of remotely 
monitor them�


*From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on 
behalf of "Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" <j...@brazoswifi.com 
<mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>

*Date: *Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:59 AM
*To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

We have been using Tripp Lite APS700HF on many of the sites coupled 
with 2x 100AH AGM.  This gives AC out with very extended runtimes.  If 
we have to add juice we can do it with jumpercables from a truck or a 
generator.  Running a 12v system keeps it simple.


Don�t forget the fuses.

Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com <mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

excessups.com <http://excessups.com>

/*Gino Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:


Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ?

*From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on 
behalf of Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>

*Date: *Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
*To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from 
Batteries Plus.  We get some good deals on them.


New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use 
Meanwell AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll 
probably be deploying Netonix switches. If you need sync on the 
Ethernet ports you'll have to go with Packetflux.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

/*Gino Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


I�m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run 
everything off DC?  You mention inverter so I�m thinking you want an 
AC system?


Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it 
be in an outdoor temperature environment?


And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too 
expensive?


If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank 
to, that is spec�d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features 
built in, look at Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get 
you quotes. FXM650 would meet your power requirements, but I�d look at 
FXM1100 as long as you�re OK with a 48V battery string.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] 
*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" 
<af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>


/*Gino Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com 
<mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com>> wrote:


>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Ken Hohhof 
http://www.tripplite.com/snmp-web-management-accessory-card-smartpro-smarton
line-ups-systems~SNMPWEBCARD/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

Only downside to tripp lite gear is they have no way of remotely monitor
them. 

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" <j...@brazoswifi.com <mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:59 AM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

We have been using Tripp Lite APS700HF on many of the sites coupled with 2x
100AH AGM.  This gives AC out with very extended runtimes.  If we have to
add juice we can do it with jumpercables from a truck or a generator.
Running a 12v system keeps it simple.

 

Don't forget the fuses.

 

Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com <mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com> 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

excessups.com <http://excessups.com> 

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote: 

Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ? 

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries
Plus.  We get some good deals on them. 

 

New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell
AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be
deploying Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll
have to go with Packetflux.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I'm a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything
off DC?  You mention inverter so I'm thinking you want an AC system?

 

Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be in
an outdoor temperature environment?

 

And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too expensive?

 

If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank to,
that is spec'd for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built in,
look at Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.
FXM650 would meet your power requirements, but I'd look at FXM1100 as long
as you're OK with a 48V battery string.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" <af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com <mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com> >
wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread chuck 
Valere-Eltek, compact, has telemetry if you buy the BC-2000 unit.  They will 
even do scheduled battery load tests.   

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 3:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" <af-boun...@afmug.com



  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Gino Villarini 
Only downside to tripp lite gear is they have no way of remotely monitor them…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of "Jim 
Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" <j...@brazoswifi.com<mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:59 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

We have been using Tripp Lite APS700HF on many of the sites coupled with 2x 
100AH AGM.  This gives AC out with very extended runtimes.  If we have to add 
juice we can do it with jumpercables from a truck or a generator.  Running a 
12v system keeps it simple.

Don’t forget the fuses.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com<mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

excessups.com<http://excessups.com>




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries Plus.  
We get some good deals on them.

New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell 
AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be deploying 
Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll have to go 
with Packetflux.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything off 
DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC system?

Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be in an 
outdoor temperature environment?

And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too expensive?

If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank to, that 
is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built in, look at 
Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.  FXM650 would 
meet your power requirements, but I’d look at FXM1100 as long as you’re OK with 
a 48V battery string.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" 
<af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image003.png@01D26026.779DF4F0]
on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com<mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com>> wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
We have been using Tripp Lite APS700HF on many of the sites coupled with 2x 
100AH AGM.  This gives AC out with very extended runtimes.  If we have to add 
juice we can do it with jumpercables from a truck or a generator.  Running a 
12v system keeps it simple.

Don’t forget the fuses.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

excessups.com<http://excessups.com>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries Plus.  
We get some good deals on them.

New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell 
AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be deploying 
Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll have to go 
with Packetflux.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything off 
DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC system?

Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be in an 
outdoor temperature environment?

And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too expensive?

If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank to, that 
is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built in, look at 
Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.  FXM650 would 
meet your power requirements, but I’d look at FXM1100 as long as you’re OK with 
a 48V battery string.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" 
<af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com<mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com>> wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Josh Baird 
excessups.com

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ?
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites
>
> Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries
> Plus.  We get some good deals on them.
>
> New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell
> AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be
> deploying Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll
> have to go with Packetflux.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything
>> off DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC system?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be
>> in an outdoor temperature environment?
>>
>>
>>
>> And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too
>> expensive?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank
>> to, that is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built
>> in, look at Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.
>> FXM650 would meet your power requirements, but I’d look at FXM1100 as long
>> as you’re OK with a 48V battery string.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites
>>
>>
>>
>> Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system
>>
>> On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" <af-boun...@afmug.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> >What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>> >standard off the shelve UPS?
>> >The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>> >of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>> >buy batteries.
>> >However, what are you using for:
>> >
>> >1. Inverter / charger
>> >2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>> >
>> >The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>> >monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>> >models at 1k.
>> >
>> >Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>> >bank...
>> >
>> >If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>> >
>> >Josh
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
The old desktop form factor 750xl is no longer made, we have to get
refurbished ones now too

On Dec 27, 2016 9:25 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Online/Google search.  Bunch of them from RefurbUPS/ebay.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ?
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites
>>
>> Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries
>> Plus.  We get some good deals on them.
>>
>> New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell
>> AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be
>> deploying Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll
>> have to go with Packetflux.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run
>>> everything off DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC
>>> system?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it
>>> be in an outdoor temperature environment?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too
>>> expensive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank
>>> to, that is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built
>>> in, look at Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.
>>> FXM650 would meet your power requirements, but I’d look at FXM1100 as long
>>> as you’re OK with a 48V battery string.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system
>>>
>>> On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" <
>>> af-boun...@afmug.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>>> >standard off the shelve UPS?
>>> >The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>>> >of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>>> >buy batteries.
>>> >However, what are you using for:
>>> >
>>> >1. Inverter / charger
>>> >2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>>> >
>>> >The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>>> >monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>>> >models at 1k.
>>> >
>>> >Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>>> >bank...
>>> >
>>> >If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>>> >
>>> >Josh
>>> >
>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Ken Hohhof 
These are going to be old maybe 10+ years old, and electronics doesn’t live 
forever.  If nothing else, capacitors dry up.  I have some 1400 RM XL units 
still running and they haven’t blown up yet, but at some point we can’t rely on 
scavenged 20th century equipment to run our networks.

 

It should also be noted these do not have temperature compensated charging and 
vintage APC equipment is known for overcharging batteries anyway.  (Less of a 
problem with large external batteries)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

Online/Google search.  Bunch of them from RefurbUPS/ebay.




  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ? 

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries Plus.  
We get some good deals on them. 

 

New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell 
AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be deploying 
Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll have to go 
with Packetflux.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything off 
DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC system?

 

Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be in an 
outdoor temperature environment?

 

And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too expensive?

 

If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank to, that 
is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built in, look at 
Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.  FXM650 would 
meet your power requirements, but I’d look at FXM1100 as long as you’re OK with 
a 48V battery string.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" <af-boun...@afmug.com 
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com <mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com> > wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Josh Luthman 
Online/Google search.  Bunch of them from RefurbUPS/ebay.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ?
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites
>
> Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries
> Plus.  We get some good deals on them.
>
> New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell
> AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be
> deploying Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll
> have to go with Packetflux.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything
>> off DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC system?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be
>> in an outdoor temperature environment?
>>
>>
>>
>> And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too
>> expensive?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank
>> to, that is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built
>> in, look at Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.
>> FXM650 would meet your power requirements, but I’d look at FXM1100 as long
>> as you’re OK with a 48V battery string.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites
>>
>>
>>
>> Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system
>>
>> On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" <af-boun...@afmug.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> >What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>> >standard off the shelve UPS?
>> >The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>> >of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>> >buy batteries.
>> >However, what are you using for:
>> >
>> >1. Inverter / charger
>> >2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>> >
>> >The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>> >monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>> >models at 1k.
>> >
>> >Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>> >bank...
>> >
>> >If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>> >
>> >Josh
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Gino Villarini 
Where are you sourcing your apc 750XLs from ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries Plus.  
We get some good deals on them.

New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell 
AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be deploying 
Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll have to go 
with Packetflux.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything off 
DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC system?

Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be in an 
outdoor temperature environment?

And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too expensive?

If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank to, that 
is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built in, look at 
Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.  FXM650 would 
meet your power requirements, but I’d look at FXM1100 as long as you’re OK with 
a 48V battery string.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" 
<af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image002.png@01D26019.E81F73F0]
on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com<mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com>> wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Adam Moffett 
That Alpha FXM looks like a really nice one-and-done type of solution.  
Unfortunately if you need A/C, then I think every good option is kind of 
in that price bracket.


If you went all DC you'll have a lot more parts and assembly, and when 
it's all done you might only save a few hundred bucks.. IMO the 
reason to use all DC is you'll save enclosure space, gain a little 
efficiency, and you end up with a modular system you can add new 
features onto like a switchable PoE injector or what-not.


I've used an inverter/charger from AIMS power.  I think their smallest 
unit is 2000 watts though, so it might be a waste for only 600 watts.  
If you do get an inverter/charger, the cheapest thing you can add to 
tell if your power is on or off is any managed device that you plug into 
AC and just ping it.  You might use (for example) a WiFi AP; which is 
convenient to have at your site anyway, but doesn't affect service to 
customers when it goes down.  When that device goes down you know your 
power is off.  The second cheapest thing is a Packetflux Site Monitor, 
and that gives you a lot more options such as the option to add a 
current shunt in line with your battery.




-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/27/2016 9:21:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run 
everything off DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC 
system?




Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it 
be in an outdoor temperature environment?




And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too 
expensive?




If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank 
to, that is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features 
built in, look at Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you 
quotes.  FXM650 would meet your power requirements, but I’d look at 
FXM1100 as long as you’re OK with a 48V battery string.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites



Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" 
<af-boun...@afmug.com




Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a 
battery

>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Josh Luthman 
Old sites we replace/use an APC 750 XL with big batteries from Batteries
Plus.  We get some good deals on them.

New sites or anything we can replace and do DC (24vdc) we'll use Meanwell
AD-155B (IIRC) and DR40.  From this point forward we'll probably be
deploying Netonix switches.  If you need sync on the Ethernet ports you'll
have to go with Packetflux.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I’m a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything
> off DC?  You mention inverter so I’m thinking you want an AC system?
>
>
>
> Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be
> in an outdoor temperature environment?
>
>
>
> And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too expensive?
>
>
>
> If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank to,
> that is spec’d for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built in,
> look at Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.
> FXM650 would meet your power requirements, but I’d look at FXM1100 as long
> as you’re OK with a 48V battery string.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites
>
>
>
> Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system
>
> On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" <af-boun...@afmug.com
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:
>
> >What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
> >standard off the shelve UPS?
> >The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
> >of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
> >buy batteries.
> >However, what are you using for:
> >
> >1. Inverter / charger
> >2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
> >
> >The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
> >monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
> >models at 1k.
> >
> >Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
> >bank...
> >
> >If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
> >
> >Josh
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I'm a little unclear, are you looking for an AC UPS, or to run everything
off DC?  You mention inverter so I'm thinking you want an AC system?

 

Also, is this going in a controlled environment like a NOC, or will it be in
an outdoor temperature environment?

 

And what is your budget?  Sounds like you are finding $1,000 too expensive?

 

If you are looking for an AC UPS that you attach your own battery bank to,
that is spec'd for outdoor temps, and that has all the features built in,
look at Alpha FXM series.  Crossover Distribution can get you quotes.
FXM650 would meet your power requirements, but I'd look at FXM1100 as long
as you're OK with a 48V battery string.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

 

Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson" <af-boun...@afmug.com


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



on behalf of j...@bluebitnetworks.com <mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com> >
wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Gino Villarini 
Eltek or Emerson Rectifier system

On 12/27/16, 2:36 AM, "Af on behalf of Josh Corson"  wrote:

>What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
>standard off the shelve UPS?
>The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
>of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
>buy batteries.
>However, what are you using for:
>
>1. Inverter / charger
>2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
>The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
>monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
>models at 1k.
>
>Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
>bank...
>
>If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
>Josh
>
>Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-27 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
The tool you're looking for in relation to the monitoring is a packetflux
sitemonitor base unit.

Others can point you toward the chargers.

On Dec 26, 2016 11:36 PM, "Josh Corson"  wrote:

> What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
> standard off the shelve UPS?
> The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
> of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
> buy batteries.
> However, what are you using for:
>
> 1. Inverter / charger
> 2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
> The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
> monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
> models at 1k.
>
> Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
> bank...
>
> If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
> Josh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery backup at large sites

2016-12-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
apc xl series has additional packs, you supposedly can calculate other
vendor battery packs to the appropriate number of external packs in the gui

I tried tearing the guts of a 750xl out and cobbling a din mount apc, but
at the end of the day it was just a grain elevator waiting to explode

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Josh Corson 
wrote:

> What is everyone using as a battery backup at sites that cannot use a
> standard off the shelve UPS?
> The site in mention is probably using 500 watts max. The battery side
> of things is a no brainer - calculate run time, determine your bank,
> buy batteries.
> However, what are you using for:
>
> 1. Inverter / charger
> 2. Network monitoring capability when AC goes out with SNMP.
>
> The hardest challenge I've found is sourcing something for network
> monitoring that isn't an all in one charger/inverter like the ICT
> models at 1k.
>
> Always wondered if you could rig a APC network card to work in a battery
> bank...
>
> If anyone could share the layout of their system I'd appreciate it!
>
> Josh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>



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