Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Just to be clear, the 500lbs thing on the man-lift was a joke. Probably should have phrased it better. With 2 guys, you are already at 350-450lbs and even a 120’ or larger would only give you 100lbs to work with above 80’. We have a tower company we work and I haven’t discussed it with them yet. That being said, having a man-lift for working with the mounting hardware and doing the alignment looks like it would save a significant amount of time. Having never hung an 8’ dish, or a 16’ dish (that was funny), it’s new territory. We may find that logistically and financially, 6’ on the tower side makes more sense and I’ll put the 8’ on the roof side or maybe something smaller. I do like the idea of a smaller dish haven’t spatial diversity. In that sense, I know from testing that putting up dual single-polarity antennas separated by a few feet, definitely improves NLOS performance. Not sure I want to go to all that trouble here though, unless I found some insane 2.4GHz 8’ parabolic dish deal that I can’t pass up. Lot of tower work to do that or I’m paying for more tower space. This tower we are going on can easily handle the 8’ dish. This has been an interesting discussion, no doubt. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Seriously, I wonder what the market would be if I put a 4.5” pipe on my 60” slope mount. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna It will work, for a while... From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:27 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Chuck, looks great for smaller stuff and tapering towers. But I seriously hope you are not recommending mounting an 8' dish on a 2.5" pipe (item #1 in your PDF's BOM). Every 6' and 8' dish I've ever seen in person needs a 4.50" OD pipe. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Or if you want the really good stuff: http://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-SM60.PDF From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:15 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it are also going to be at least 75 to 85 lbs together. Some examples of what I'm talking about, before adding the stiff-arm strut: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TAP-472%20(Assembly).pdf (240 lbs) http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UAS60%20(Assembly).pdf (158 lbs) http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/LPM3%20(Assembly).pdf (126 lbs) On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Jesse Dupont mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>> wrote: Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower. From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Now go to sitepro1.com<http://sitepro1.com>, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of an 8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds guaranteed... You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no matter what type it might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, angle steel legs, or vertical guyed tower. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986 276 lbs. That said, that's without radome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ________________ From: "Eric Kuhnke" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for its exposure category? Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway wrot
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Seriously, I wonder what the market would be if I put a 4.5” pipe on my 60”
slope mount.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
It will work, for a while...
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Chuck, looks great for smaller stuff and tapering towers. But I seriously hope
you are not recommending mounting an 8' dish on a 2.5" pipe (item #1 in your
PDF's BOM). Every 6' and 8' dish I've ever seen in person needs a 4.50" OD
pipe.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Or if you want the really good stuff:
http://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-SM60.PDF
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it are also going to be at least
75 to 85 lbs together.
Some examples of what I'm talking about, before adding the stiff-arm strut:
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TAP-472%20(Assembly).pdf
(240 lbs)
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UAS60%20(Assembly).pdf
(158 lbs)
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/LPM3%20(Assembly).pdf
(126 lbs)
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Jesse Dupont
wrote:
Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower.
From: Af on behalf of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Now go to sitepro1.com, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff
mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of an
8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds guaranteed...
You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no matter what type it
might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, angle steel legs, or
vertical guyed tower.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986
276 lbs. That said, that's without radome.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
--
From: "Eric Kuhnke"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it
is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can
even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for
its exposure category?
Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable.
If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because
there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
These are not real fun
Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and
a good crane operator
Mitch
On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
16’ dish
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have
some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's
going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna
isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do
seems kind of risky - I'd assume that&#x
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
It will work, for a while...
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Chuck, looks great for smaller stuff and tapering towers. But I seriously hope
you are not recommending mounting an 8' dish on a 2.5" pipe (item #1 in your
PDF's BOM). Every 6' and 8' dish I've ever seen in person needs a 4.50" OD
pipe.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Or if you want the really good stuff:
http://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-SM60.PDF
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it are also going to be at least
75 to 85 lbs together.
Some examples of what I'm talking about, before adding the stiff-arm strut:
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TAP-472%20(Assembly).pdf
(240 lbs)
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UAS60%20(Assembly).pdf
(158 lbs)
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/LPM3%20(Assembly).pdf
(126 lbs)
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Jesse Dupont
wrote:
Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower.
From: Af on behalf of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Now go to sitepro1.com, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff
mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of an
8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds guaranteed...
You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no matter what type it
might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, angle steel legs, or
vertical guyed tower.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986
276 lbs. That said, that's without radome.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
--
From: "Eric Kuhnke"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it
is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can
even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for
its exposure category?
Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable.
If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because
there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
These are not real fun
Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and
a good crane operator
Mitch
On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
16’ dish
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have
some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's
going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna
isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do
seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I
would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it
was just a pair of PowerBeams.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Chuck, looks great for smaller stuff and tapering towers. But I seriously hope you are not recommending mounting an 8' dish on a 2.5" pipe (item #1 in your PDF's BOM). Every 6' and 8' dish I've ever seen in person needs a 4.50" OD pipe. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Or if you want the really good stuff: > http://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-SM60.PDF > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:15 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it are also going to be at > least 75 to 85 lbs together. > > Some examples of what I'm talking about, before adding the stiff-arm > strut: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TAP-472% > 20(Assembly).pdf (240 lbs) > > http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UAS60%20(Assembly).pdf > (158 lbs) > > http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/LPM3%20(Assembly).pdf > (126 lbs) > > > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Jesse Dupont < > jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote: > >> Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower. >> >> ------ >> *From:* Af on behalf of Eric Kuhnke < >> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> Now go to sitepro1.com, find the tower steel section, and find a >> standoff mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind >> loading of an 8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds >> guaranteed... You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no >> matter what type it might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, >> angle steel legs, or vertical guyed tower. >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986 >>> >>> 276 lbs. That said, that's without radome. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >>> antenna >>> >>> An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it >>> is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower >>> can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G >>> calculations for its exposure category? >>> >>> Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. >>> >>> If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, >>> because there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >>>> antenna >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> These are not real fun >>>> >>>> Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and >>>> >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Or if you want the really good stuff:
http://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-SM60.PDF
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it are also going to be at least 75
to 85 lbs together.
Some examples of what I'm talking about, before adding the stiff-arm strut:
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TAP-472%20(Assembly).pdf
(240 lbs)
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UAS60%20(Assembly).pdf (158
lbs)
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/LPM3%20(Assembly).pdf (126
lbs)
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Jesse Dupont
wrote:
Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower.
--
From: Af on behalf of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Now go to sitepro1.com, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff
mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of an
8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds guaranteed...
You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no matter what type it
might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, angle steel legs, or
vertical guyed tower.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986
276 lbs. That said, that's without radome.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Eric Kuhnke"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it is
to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can even
take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for its
exposure category?
Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable.
If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because
there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
These are not real fun
Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and
a good crane operator
Mitch
On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
16’ dish
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some
kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going to
happen when you get bigger dishes on there.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna
isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do
seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I
would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it
was just a pair of PowerBeams.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for
anything to be accurate.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome,
use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and
voila!
From: Af on behalf of Rory Conaway
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it are also going to be at least 75 to 85 lbs together. Some examples of what I'm talking about, before adding the stiff-arm strut: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TAP-472%20(Assembly).pdf (240 lbs) http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UAS60%20(Assembly).pdf (158 lbs) http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/LPM3%20(Assembly).pdf (126 lbs) On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Jesse Dupont wrote: > Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower. > > -- > *From:* Af on behalf of Eric Kuhnke < > eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > Now go to sitepro1.com, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff > mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of > an 8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds > guaranteed... You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no > matter what type it might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, > angle steel legs, or vertical guyed tower. > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986 >> >> 276 lbs. That said, that's without radome. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it >> is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower >> can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G >> calculations for its exposure category? >> >> Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. >> >> If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because >> there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >>> I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >>> antenna >>> >>> >>> >>> These are not real fun >>> >>> Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and >>> >>> a good crane operator >>> >>> >>> >>> Mitch >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> 16’ dish >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM >>> >>> *To:* af >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >>> antenna >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some >>> kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's >>> going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway >>> wrote: >>> >>> The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t >>> an issue. It’s more important that the link work. >>> >&g
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Couple years ago we installed an 8 ft. 11GHz Radiowaves antenna 80 ft. high on 200 ft. tower. We had to wait until a Sunday morning at 530am to hoist up when winds were almost nil. Two tower monkeys and 6 ground crew ...the mount was already in place so all we brought up was dish and attached it mounteasy to do with these antennas. Then attached Dragonwave radio. On May 16, 2017 2:50 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it > is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower > can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G > calculations for its exposure category? > > Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. > > If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because > there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> These are not real fun >> >> Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and >> >> a good crane operator >> >> >> >> Mitch >> >> >> >> On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> 16’ dish >> >> >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM >> >> *To:* af >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some >> kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's >> going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t >> an issue. It’s more important that the link work. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems >> kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I >> would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if >> it was just a pair of PowerBeams. >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to >> be accurate. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM >> >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use >> the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and >> voila! >> >> >> >> *From: *Af on behalf of Rory Conaway < >> r...@triadwireless.net> >> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" >> *Date: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM >> *To: *"af@afmug.com" >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower >> they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the >> medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down >> or trim a mile of trees. >> >> >> >> Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just >> be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but >> nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of >> trees, here I come. >> >> I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to >> pay tower clim
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower. From: Af on behalf of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Now go to sitepro1.com<http://sitepro1.com>, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of an 8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds guaranteed... You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no matter what type it might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, angle steel legs, or vertical guyed tower. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986 276 lbs. That said, that's without radome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [X]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[X]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[X]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[X]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [X]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[X]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[X]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [X]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[X] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Eric Kuhnke" mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for its exposure category? Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna These are not real fun Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and a good crane operator Mitch On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 16’ dish From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of PowerBeams. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to be accurate. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and voila! From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not in this case. If they won’t let
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Now go to sitepro1.com, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of an 8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds guaranteed... You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no matter what type it might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, angle steel legs, or vertical guyed tower. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986 > > 276 lbs. That said, that's without radome. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it > is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower > can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G > calculations for its exposure category? > > Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. > > If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because > there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> These are not real fun >> >> Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and >> >> a good crane operator >> >> >> >> Mitch >> >> >> >> On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> 16’ dish >> >> >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM >> >> *To:* af >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some >> kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's >> going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t >> an issue. It’s more important that the link work. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems >> kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I >> would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if >> it was just a pair of PowerBeams. >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to >> be accurate. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM >> >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outc
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Rory
Careful too bulky to maneuver on a man lift let alone
line up and twist into place
Mitch
On 05/16/2017 03:33 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
These are not real fun
Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and
a good crane operator
Mitch
On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
16’ dish
*From:*Mathew Howard
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM
*To:*af
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have
some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea
of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the
antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2
MIMO antenna
Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going
to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be
cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a
test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of
PowerBeams.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for
anything to be accurate.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A.
Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2
MIMO antenna
Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your
outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your
calcs, add the foliage and voila!
*From: *Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM
*To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2
MIMO antenna
Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on
the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7
T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m
thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile
of trees.
Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a
plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan
involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when.
So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come.
I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want
to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to
do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I
see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof.
Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m
bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m
also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup
with a Yagi.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2
MIMO antenna
Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove
trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing
it.
/*Gino A. Villarini*/
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2
MIMO antenna
I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S.
Forestry service frowns on that.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986 276 lbs. That said, that's without radome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Eric Kuhnke" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for its exposure category? Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. Rory From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna These are not real fun Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and a good crane operator Mitch On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 16’ dish From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of PowerBeams. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to be accurate. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and voila! From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when. So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out o
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Ah heck. I bet Rory could lift one of those with one hand tied behind
his back.
bp
On 5/16/2017 1:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive
it is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the
tower can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G
calculations for its exposure category?
Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable.
If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos,
because there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give
nightmares to.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
These are not real fun
Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and
a good crane operator
Mitch
On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
16’ dish
*From:*Mathew Howard
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM
*To:*af
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2
MIMO antenna
Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you
have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a
good idea of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes
on there.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the
antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link
work.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz
2x2 MIMO antenna
Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's
going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not
going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up
some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it
was just a pair of PowerBeams.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
wrote:
I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable
for anything to be accurate.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz
2x2 MIMO antenna
Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of
your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement
in your calcs, add the foliage and voila!
*From: *Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>"
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM
*To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz
2x2 MIMO antenna
Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish
on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school
(7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m
thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a
mile of trees.
Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we
have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit.
This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets
awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees,
here I come.
I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t
want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m
going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the
roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on
the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m
thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios
also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a
Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi.
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for its exposure category? Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > These are not real fun > > Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and > > a good crane operator > > > > Mitch > > > > On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > 16’ dish > > > > *From:* Mathew Howard > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM > > *To:* af > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some > kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's > going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an > issue. It’s more important that the link work. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems > kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I > would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if > it was just a pair of PowerBeams. > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to > be accurate. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use > the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and > voila! > > > > *From: *Af on behalf of Rory Conaway < > r...@triadwireless.net> > *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Date: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM > *To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:*af@afmug.com > > *Subj
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Can u share a topographic path with me? I have done some tough shots using 4 antennas per side with Canopy radios and splitter. On May 16, 2017 2:29 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > I’ve got a ledge in the middle. I have done that though, under bridges. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered skeeming to ground under the trees? > > > > On May 16, 2017 9:19 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, > vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' > size dishes to get real LOS? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively > bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere > on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. > > > > On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" > wrote: > > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > > > I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. > > > > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- > dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas > > > > -Chris > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote: > > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory > > > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
May want to try the signal dual-slant instead of V+H, although I'm not sure if the feedhorns on the big RW antennas can be set that way. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > These are not real fun > > Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and > > a good crane operator > > > > Mitch > > > > On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > 16’ dish > > > > *From:* Mathew Howard > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM > > *To:* af > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some > kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's > going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an > issue. It’s more important that the link work. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems > kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I > would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if > it was just a pair of PowerBeams. > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to > be accurate. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use > the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and > voila! > > > > *From: *Af on behalf of Rory Conaway < > r...@triadwireless.net> > *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Date: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM > *To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:*af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 201
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna These are not real fun Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and a good crane operator Mitch On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 16’ dish From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of PowerBeams. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to be accurate. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and voila! From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D2CE48.FE9DFE60] From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always va
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
It does work better sometimes to stick closer to the ground when you're going through trees, but yeah... if there's dirt in the way, that's not gonna work so good. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’ve got a ledge in the middle. I have done that though, under bridges. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered skeeming to ground under the trees? > > > > On May 16, 2017 9:19 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, > vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' > size dishes to get real LOS? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively > bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere > on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. > > > > On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" > wrote: > > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > > > I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. > > > > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- > dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas > > > > -Chris > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote: > > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory > > > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
I’ve got a ledge in the middle. I have done that though, under bridges. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered skeeming to ground under the trees? On May 16, 2017 9:19 AM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
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Skimming. Sorry my not so smartphone messes with me. On May 16, 2017 11:18 AM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Have you considered skeeming to ground under the trees? > > On May 16, 2017 9:19 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower >> they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the >> medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down >> or trim a mile of trees. >> >> >> >> Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just >> be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but >> nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of >> trees, here I come. >> >> I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to >> pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the >> tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make >> adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking >> that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m >> also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a >> microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. >> >> >> >> *From:* Rory Conaway >> >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry >> service frowns on that. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, >> vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' >> size dishes to get real LOS? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably >> going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered >> frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti >> overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. >> Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively >> bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere >> on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. >> >> >> >> On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" >> wrote: >> >> Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a >> 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com >> understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but >> the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. >> >> >> >> I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. >> >> >> >> http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- >> dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas >> >> >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke >> wrote: >> >> I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be >> equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The >> Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet >> the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering >> unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Have you considered skeeming to ground under the trees? On May 16, 2017 9:19 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, > vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' > size dishes to get real LOS? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively > bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere > on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. > > > > On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" > wrote: > > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > > > I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. > > > > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- > dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas > > > > -Chris > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote: > > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory > > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
16’ dish From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of PowerBeams. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to be accurate. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and voila! From: Af on behalf of Rory Conaway Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their ga
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an > issue. It’s more important that the link work. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems > kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I > would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if > it was just a pair of PowerBeams. > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to > be accurate. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use > the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and > voila! > > > > *From: *Af on behalf of Rory Conaway < > r...@triadwireless.net> > *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Date: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM > *To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:*af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, > vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' > size dishes to get real LOS? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the &#x
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Would a smaller dish size allow you receive more multipath signals in a NLOS scenario? On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an > issue. It’s more important that the link work. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems > kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I > would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if > it was just a pair of PowerBeams. > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to > be accurate. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use > the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and > voila! > > > > *From: *Af on behalf of Rory Conaway < > r...@triadwireless.net> > *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Date: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM > *To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:*af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, > vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' > size dishes to get real LOS? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of PowerBeams. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to be accurate. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and voila! From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D2CE23.EDAEAA70] From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I'
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
As great as Linkplanner is, I've found it to be useless for NLOS / trees. Too many variables. I've gotten surprisingly accurate results for NLOS cases using RadioMobile supplemented with my experience and area-based data. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use > the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and > voila! > > From: Af on behalf of Rory Conaway < > r...@triadwireless.net> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM > To: "af@afmug.com" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:*af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, > vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' > size dishes to get real LOS? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively > bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere > on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. > > > > On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" > wrote: > > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > > > I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. > > > > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- > dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas > > > > -Chris > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote: > > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory > > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of PowerBeams. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to > be accurate. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use > the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and > voila! > > > > *From: *Af on behalf of Rory Conaway < > r...@triadwireless.net> > *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Date: *Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM > *To: *"af@afmug.com" > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down > or trim a mile of trees. > > > > Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just > be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but > nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of > trees, here I come. > > I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to > pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the > tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make > adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking > that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m > also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a > microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. > > > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM > > *To:*af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, > vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' > size dishes to get real LOS? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively > bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere > on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. > > > > On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" > wrote: > > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > > > I have not used it, but I've been happy wi
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to be accurate. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and voila! From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not in this case. If they won't let me put a 1 or 2' dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1's for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1's), I'm thinking they aren't going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with "we have a plan, just be patient". Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2' dish and see what happens but I don't want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I'm going to do the 8' dish on the tower and 2' dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I'm thinking that I'm bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I'm also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D2CE20.910EFE80] From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I'd like to stay out of jail and I'm pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I've got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I'm probably going to for the 6' or 8' dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and voila! From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
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Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when.So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
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Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
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It would be fun to see how this goes… as Chuck said.. Go in with 2’ dishes and see what SOM you get, then go to your desk and modify SOM parameters with gains of bigger dishes… maybe even with 8’ you don’t get the proper SNR to achieve the data rates you are needing From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 12:01 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not even close. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:25 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna 900mhz PTP450 doesn't give enough bandwidth? Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
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Not even close. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna 900mhz PTP450 doesn't give enough bandwidth? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
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Well 50MHz will do around 400Mbps. I doubt you'll see that on 900MHz with their limited channel width. On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > 900mhz PTP450 doesn't give enough bandwidth? > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry >> service frowns on that. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, >> vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' >> size dishes to get real LOS? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably >> going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO >> antenna >> >> >> >> Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered >> frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti >> overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. >> Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively >> bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere >> on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. >> >> >> >> On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" >> wrote: >> >> Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a >> 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com >> understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but >> the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. >> >> >> >> I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. >> >> >> >> http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- >> dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas >> >> >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke >> wrote: >> >> I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be >> equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The >> Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet >> the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering >> unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
900mhz PTP450 doesn't give enough bandwidth? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service > frowns on that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, > vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' > size dishes to get real LOS? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively > bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere > on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. > > > > On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" > wrote: > > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > > > I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. > > > > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- > dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas > > > > -Chris > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote: > > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory > > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively > bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere > on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. > > > > On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" > wrote: > > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > > > I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. > > > > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- > dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas > > > > -Chris > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote: > > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Yeah, what Mike said is correct - 3dbi increase in antenna gain for every 1dbm decrease in tx power for PtP. so, if you have, say a 24dbi antenna, you can run 24dbm TX power and get 48db EIRP. On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Not for PtP. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Mitch Koep" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, May 15, 2017 8:44:59 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > Was under the impression 36dB EIRP was max (if I remember correctly) > > Mitch > > On 05/15/2017 08:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > 2.4's policy is what, every 1 dB decrease in transmit power is a 3 dB > increase in allowed EIRP? Decrease Tx power 10 dB, increase EIRP 30 dB? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Mitch Koep" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, May 15, 2017 8:30:07 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > Rory > > Won't that be well over legal limits? > > Mitch > > On 05/15/2017 08:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably > going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna > > > > Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered > frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti > overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. > Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively > bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere > on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. > > > > On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" > wrote: > > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > > > I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. > > > > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- > dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas > > > > -Chris > > > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote: > > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory > > > > > > > -- > Mitch Koep > > A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell > > > > -- > Mitch Koep > > A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
There is a 3 to 1 rule on PTP. You can set your power at 29dBi with a 9dBi antenna, 28dBi, 12dBi antenna, and so forth. Since I want a 50MHz channel and the AF24 needs 60dBi or better for that, I can get up to 54dBi or so with that antenna and a little line loss. If you don’t have any interference, and I won’t, it’s a pretty good option. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not for PtP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Mitch Koep" mailto:af...@abwisp.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:44:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Was under the impression 36dB EIRP was max (if I remember correctly) Mitch On 05/15/2017 08:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 2.4's policy is what, every 1 dB decrease in transmit power is a 3 dB increase in allowed EIRP? Decrease Tx power 10 dB, increase EIRP 30 dB? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________ From: "Mitch Koep" <mailto:af...@abwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:30:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Rory Won't that be well over legal limits? Mitch On 05/15/2017 08:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Not for PtP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mitch Koep" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:44:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Was under the impression 36dB EIRP was max (if I remember correctly) Mitch On 05/15/2017 08:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 2.4's policy is what, every 1 dB decrease in transmit power is a 3 dB increase in allowed EIRP? Decrease Tx power 10 dB, increase EIRP 30 dB? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mitch Koep" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:30:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Rory Won't that be well over legal limits? Mitch On 05/15/2017 08:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" < cg...@graytechsoftware.com > wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Was under the impression 36dB EIRP was max (if I remember correctly)
Mitch
On 05/15/2017 08:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
2.4's policy is what, every 1 dB decrease in transmit power is a 3 dB
increase in allowed EIRP? Decrease Tx power 10 dB, increase EIRP 30 dB?
-
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*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, May 15, 2017 8:30:07 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Rory
Won't that be well over legal limits?
Mitch
On 05/15/2017 08:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m
probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO
antenna
Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered
frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand
Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry
standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up
to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability
reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a
substantial number of those radios coild be installed.
On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray"
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>>
wrote:
Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up
to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their
gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another
fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at
25 dBi.
I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit.
http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas
-Chris
On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke
mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and
can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side
shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design
from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size
2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the
sides...
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish.
Rory
--
Mitch Koep
A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell
--
Mitch Koep
A Better Wireless
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Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
2.4's policy is what, every 1 dB decrease in transmit power is a 3 dB increase in allowed EIRP? Decrease Tx power 10 dB, increase EIRP 30 dB? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mitch Koep" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:30:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Rory Won't that be well over legal limits? Mitch On 05/15/2017 08:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" < cg...@graytechsoftware.com > wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
That sounds futile. What kind of trees? Can you get any signal through at all with smaller dishes to gauge how well it will work with larger dishes? From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Rory Won't that be well over legal limits? Mitch On 05/15/2017 08:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" wrote: > Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a > 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com > understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but > the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. > > I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. > > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized- > dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas > > -Chris > > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote: > >> I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be >> equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The >> Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet >> the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering >> unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >>> Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. >> >> >> >> Rory >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
I think TxPro makes such an antenna On May 14, 2017 3:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be > equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The > Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet > the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering > unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. >> >> >> >> Rory >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory >
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
That’s okay. I’ll check it out. Thanks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 2:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna http://www.ispsupplies.com/Radiowaves-SPD6-2-4 Although if you're mentioning Ubiquiti, Radiowaves is a whole different budget class. On May 13, 2017 4:43 PM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna
http://www.ispsupplies.com/Radiowaves-SPD6-2-4 Although if you're mentioning Ubiquiti, Radiowaves is a whole different budget class. On May 13, 2017 4:43 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. > > > > Rory >
