Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[can...@believewireless.net]

APC +1 Add fusing to the surge protector +100

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Add fusing to the surge protector +100
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> APC form Factor +1
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Nice video Gotta love the Fluke...We have to test lines, fuses,
>>> relays, etc and document at office and then at site before we land wires
>>> and afterwards..We live in the sub 2 amp world.   Some fused terminals
>>> light up when blown, others are green when good, red when bad...Gets
>>> confusing working with different engineers who have design preference...We
>>> try to get standards based like ISA but rarely do they consult with us.
>>>  Recent Magnolia project they pissed away thousands of dollars trying to
>>> use 26GHz radar sensor inside a 3 inch stillwell 35 ft long with air holes
>>> and connection joints with turbulence and crap coming up pipe.   From day
>>> one we said it would not work...We replaced two radars with pilot probes
>>> designed to measure levels inside pipes and turbulence...
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought about having a Lissajou pattern on the oscilloscope and maybe
>>>> some Theremin music playing.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 3:35 PM
>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection
>>>>
>>>> Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has
>>>> in background
>>>> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourp
>>>> rops.com%2Fmovieprops%2Fdefault%2F44ec50f640857%2FFrankenste
>>>> in-Frankenstein-Lab-2.jpg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourpr
>>>> ops.com%2FFrankenstein-Lab-replica-movie-prop-Frankenstein-
>>>> 1931-YP8157.html=pr9N3jgxb3O9IM=WGAEE8ZEqeAy1M%
>>>> 3A=10ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg..i=
>>>> 600=450=567=360=frankenstein%20lab%20props
>>>> =0ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg=mrc=8
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 24, 2017 2:35 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Jeremy]

Add fusing to the surge protector +100

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> APC form Factor +1
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nice video Gotta love the Fluke...We have to test lines, fuses,
>> relays, etc and document at office and then at site before we land wires
>> and afterwards..We live in the sub 2 amp world.   Some fused terminals
>> light up when blown, others are green when good, red when bad...Gets
>> confusing working with different engineers who have design preference...We
>> try to get standards based like ISA but rarely do they consult with us.
>>  Recent Magnolia project they pissed away thousands of dollars trying to
>> use 26GHz radar sensor inside a 3 inch stillwell 35 ft long with air holes
>> and connection joints with turbulence and crap coming up pipe.   From day
>> one we said it would not work...We replaced two radars with pilot probes
>> designed to measure levels inside pipes and turbulence...
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought about having a Lissajou pattern on the oscilloscope and maybe
>>> some Theremin music playing.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 3:35 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection
>>>
>>> Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has
>>> in background
>>> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourp
>>> rops.com%2Fmovieprops%2Fdefault%2F44ec50f640857%2FFrankenste
>>> in-Frankenstein-Lab-2.jpg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourpr
>>> ops.com%2FFrankenstein-Lab-replica-movie-prop-Frankenstei
>>> n-1931-YP8157.html=pr9N3jgxb3O9IM=WGAEE8ZEq
>>> eAy1M%3A=10ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg..
>>> i=600=450=567=360=frankenstein%20lab%20props&
>>> ved=0ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg=mrc=8
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2017 2:35 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Jeremy]

APC form Factor +1

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nice video Gotta love the Fluke...We have to test lines, fuses,
> relays, etc and document at office and then at site before we land wires
> and afterwards..We live in the sub 2 amp world.   Some fused terminals
> light up when blown, others are green when good, red when bad...Gets
> confusing working with different engineers who have design preference...We
> try to get standards based like ISA but rarely do they consult with us.
>  Recent Magnolia project they pissed away thousands of dollars trying to
> use 26GHz radar sensor inside a 3 inch stillwell 35 ft long with air holes
> and connection joints with turbulence and crap coming up pipe.   From day
> one we said it would not work...We replaced two radars with pilot probes
> designed to measure levels inside pipes and turbulence...
>
> On Apr 24, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought about having a Lissajou pattern on the oscilloscope and maybe
>> some Theremin music playing.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 3:35 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection
>>
>> Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has
>> in background
>> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourp
>> rops.com%2Fmovieprops%2Fdefault%2F44ec50f640857%2FFrankenste
>> in-Frankenstein-Lab-2.jpg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> yourprops.com%2FFrankenstein-Lab-replica-movie-prop-
>> Frankenstein-1931-YP8157.html=pr9N3jgxb3O9IM=WGA
>> EE8ZEqeAy1M%3A=10ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4
>> wDg..i=600=450=567=360=frankenstein%20lab%
>> 20props=0ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg=mrc=8
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2017 2:35 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Jaime Solorza]

Nice video Gotta love the Fluke...We have to test lines, fuses, relays,
etc and document at office and then at site before we land wires and
afterwards..We live in the sub 2 amp world.   Some fused terminals light up
when blown, others are green when good, red when bad...Gets confusing
working with different engineers who have design preference...We try to get
standards based like ISA but rarely do they consult with us.Recent
Magnolia project they pissed away thousands of dollars trying to use 26GHz
radar sensor inside a 3 inch stillwell 35 ft long with air holes and
connection joints with turbulence and crap coming up pipe.   From day one
we said it would not work...We replaced two radars with pilot probes
designed to measure levels inside pipes and turbulence...

On Apr 24, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I thought about having a Lissajou pattern on the oscilloscope and maybe
> some Theremin music playing.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 3:35 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection
>
> Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has in
> background
> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> yourprops.com%2Fmovieprops%2Fdefault%2F44ec50f640857%
> 2FFrankenstein-Frankenstein-Lab-2.jpg=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fwww.yourprops.com%2FFrankenstein-Lab-replica-
> movie-prop-Frankenstein-1931-YP8157.html=pr9N3jgxb3O9IM=
> WGAEE8ZEqeAy1M%3A=10ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbH
> B3AQMwg8KA4wDg..i=600=450=567=360=
> frankenstein%20lab%20props=0ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB
> 3AQMwg8KA4wDg=mrc=8
>
> On Apr 24, 2017 2:35 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Chuck McCown]

I thought about having a Lissajou pattern on the oscilloscope and maybe some 
Theremin music playing.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:35 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has in 
background 
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourprops.com%2Fmovieprops%2Fdefault%2F44ec50f640857%2FFrankenstein-Frankenstein-Lab-2.jpg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourprops.com%2FFrankenstein-Lab-replica-movie-prop-Frankenstein-1931-YP8157.html=pr9N3jgxb3O9IM=WGAEE8ZEqeAy1M%3A=10ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg..i=600=450=567=360=frankenstein%20lab%20props=0ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg=mrc=8


On Apr 24, 2017 2:35 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

  https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Jaime Solorza]

Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has in
background
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourprops.com%2Fmovieprops%2Fdefault%2F44ec50f640857%2FFrankenstein-Frankenstein-Lab-2.jpg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourprops.com%2FFrankenstein-Lab-replica-movie-prop-Frankenstein-1931-YP8157.html=pr9N3jgxb3O9IM=WGAEE8ZEqeAy1M%3A=10ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg..i=600=450=567=360=frankenstein%20lab%20props=0ahUKEwjn7cP5hb7TAhWG2YMKHZbHB3AQMwg8KA4wDg=mrc=8

On Apr 24, 2017 2:35 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.
>
> https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Adam Moffett]

I have a Traco power supply where if I short the thing I get a red LED 
and a squealing buzzer.  It recovers if you remove the short.
I have a Meanwell that clicks inside if you short it, and then resets if 
you unplug the AC and plug it back in.
Another Meanwell model resets automatically a few seconds after the 
short is removed.


These are all relatively expensive devices, but they all behave in a way 
I like.  Is it too expensive for switches (or Surge protectors) to 
behave like that?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2017 5:07:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

In line, so the cheap thing can blow and you don’t have to replace a 
more expensive thing.  Plus not all folks will want fusing so it would 
drive up the cost of a surge suppressor if I added fusing.


Poly switches are the problem.  That POE switch actually protects all 
the ports with a polyswitch.  But they are very slow to blow.  They are 
there for fire code reasons, not port protection.  If there was a fast 
blow polyswitch this problem would not exist.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:03 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

I've got dumb questions:

Do you picture this going in-line with a surge protector or replacing a 
surge protector?


Have you considered a resettable fuse (aka polyswitch)?  Nobody has to 
truck roll if it cools off and resets in a few seconds.


Thanks,
Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2017 4:35:37 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection


It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Chuck McCown]

Hmm.
Hmmm...

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection 


On 4/24/17 14:08, Chuck McCown wrote:

I can do either or both.  Will cost a tiny bit more to make it in the
APC form factor.



Is there enough space to add some header pins to do a mezzanine/riser 
card kind of thing like how an Arduino does? If someone doesn't want 
fuses they can jumper the pins, otherwise add fuse board.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/24/17 14:08, Chuck McCown wrote:

I can do either or both.  Will cost a tiny bit more to make it in the
APC form factor.



Is there enough space to add some header pins to do a mezzanine/riser 
card kind of thing like how an Arduino does? If someone doesn't want 
fuses they can jumper the pins, otherwise add fuse board.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Chuck McCown]

Yep.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:09 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection 


On 4/24/17 13:35, Chuck McCown wrote:

It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4



Neat. So I'm gathering the fuse is soldered on and the entire assembly 
should be considered the "fuse" which you replace after it blows?


POE<->fuse<->surge<->device correct?

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Chuck McCown]

Thanks

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

Awesomeness Chuck!

Jim



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Date: 4/24/17 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection 

It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/24/17 13:35, Chuck McCown wrote:

It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4



Neat. So I'm gathering the fuse is soldered on and the entire assembly 
should be considered the "fuse" which you replace after it blows?


POE<->fuse<->surge<->device correct?

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Awesomeness Chuck!

Jim



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Chuck McCown 
Date: 4/24/17 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Chuck McCown]

I can do either or both.  Will cost a tiny bit more to make it in the APC form 
factor.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

I don't wan't a cute plastic case.  I want the same slide in form factor as 
your surge protectors.  Perhaps an all in one with the surge protector.  

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

  https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4




-- 

Carl Peterson


PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Chuck McCown]

In line, so the cheap thing can blow and you don’t have to replace a more 
expensive thing.  Plus not all folks will want fusing so it would drive up the 
cost of a surge suppressor if I added fusing.  

Poly switches are the problem.  That POE switch actually protects all the ports 
with a polyswitch.  But they are very slow to blow.  They are there for fire 
code reasons, not port protection.  If there was a fast blow polyswitch this 
problem would not exist.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

I've got dumb questions:

Do you picture this going in-line with a surge protector or replacing a surge 
protector?

Have you considered a resettable fuse (aka polyswitch)?  Nobody has to truck 
roll if it cools off and resets in a few seconds.

Thanks,
Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2017 4:35:37 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

  It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

  https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Carl Peterson]

I don't wan't a cute plastic case.  I want the same slide in form factor as
your surge protectors.  Perhaps an all in one with the surge protector.

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.
>
> https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[Adam Moffett]

I've got dumb questions:

Do you picture this going in-line with a surge protector or replacing a 
surge protector?


Have you considered a resettable fuse (aka polyswitch)?  Nobody has to 
truck roll if it cools off and resets in a few seconds.


Thanks,
Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2017 4:35:37 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection


It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.

https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4