Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Rory Conaway 
I’ve got a couple of cousins, Guido and Vinnie, excellent negotiators.

Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

So tempting (think good thoughts, think good thoughts)

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Hey Chuck my friends are cheaper than a lawyer and results are guaranteed.  Let 
me know

On Sep 16, 2017 10:53 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Swap #2 and #3
And the split was between Wireless Beehive/Beehive Telephone and Wireless 
Beehive Mfg.

Later I mothballed Wireless Beehive Mfg as McCown tech owned all the equipment 
and intellectual property.

The legal battle has entered its fourth year.  Wheee!

From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the 
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long time, 
however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I ante’d up too, start dealing.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Thanks Steve,

I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the support 
only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything that 
added value to solving a problem.

So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately).  I 
don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we did 
it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.

We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time about 
options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal with, 
yet getting good results.

Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have 
heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of our 
coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.

It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.

Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.

On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern?





--

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071<tel:(806)%20316-5071>
C: 806.231.7180<tel:(806)%20231-7180>
http://www.amarillowireless.net<http://www.amarillowireless.net/>
[https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc=download]<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread chuck 
So tempting (think good thoughts, think good thoughts)

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Hey Chuck my friends are cheaper than a lawyer and results are guaranteed.  Let 
me know


On Sep 16, 2017 10:53 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Swap #2 and #3
  And the split was between Wireless Beehive/Beehive Telephone and Wireless 
Beehive Mfg.  

  Later I mothballed Wireless Beehive Mfg as McCown tech owned all the 
equipment and intellectual property.  

  The legal battle has entered its fourth year.  Wheee!

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

  The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts: 

  1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the 
plug on the server...
  2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown Tech
  3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
  4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


  It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long time, 
however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it too.


  On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I ante’d up too, start dealing.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

  Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

  On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

Thanks Steve,  



I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the 
support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything 
that added value to solving a problem.



So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 
(approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part 
of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.



We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last 
time about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to 
deal with, yet getting good results.



Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We 
have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of 
our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.  



It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to 
be substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.



Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net



Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug



Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.



On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations 
with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My 
donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor 
in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow 
isnt a concern?








-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Hey Chuck my friends are cheaper than a lawyer and results are guaranteed.
Let me know

On Sep 16, 2017 10:53 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Swap #2 and #3
And the split was between Wireless Beehive/Beehive Telephone and Wireless
Beehive Mfg.

Later I mothballed Wireless Beehive Mfg as McCown tech owned all the
equipment and intellectual property.

The legal battle has entered its fourth year.  Wheee!

*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown
Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long
time, however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it
too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I ante’d up too, start dealing.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
> Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
>> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
>> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
>> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
>> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>>
>>
>>
>> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
>> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
>> deal with, yet getting good results.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We
>> have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part
>> of our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
>> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
>> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
>> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
>> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
>> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
>> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>>
>>
>>
>> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations
>> with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
>> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
>> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
>> cashflow isnt a concern?
>>
>>
>>
>
>



-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
http://www.amarillowireless.net
<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread chuck 
Swap #2 and #3
And the split was between Wireless Beehive/Beehive Telephone and Wireless 
Beehive Mfg.  

Later I mothballed Wireless Beehive Mfg as McCown tech owned all the equipment 
and intellectual property.  

The legal battle has entered its fourth year.  Wheee!

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts: 

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the 
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long time, 
however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

  I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

  On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I ante’d up too, start dealing.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  Thanks Steve,  



  I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the 
support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything 
that added value to solving a problem.



  So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 
(approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part 
of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.



  We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time 
about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal 
with, yet getting good results.



  Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We 
have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of 
our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.  



  It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.



  Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net



  Paul



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug



  Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.



  On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations 
with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My 
donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor 
in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow 
isnt a concern?








  -- 

  Adair Winter
  VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
  Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
  C: 806.231.7180
  http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Mathew Howard 
Yup, Paul posted it earlier in this thread

"Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net"

On Sep 16, 2017 11:44 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Do we still have the option for paypal?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:
>
>
>
> 1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling
> the plug on the server...
>
> 2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown
> Tech
>
> 3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
>
> 4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above
>
>
>
>
>
> It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long
> time, however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it
> too.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I ante’d up too, start dealing.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeremy
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve,
>
>
>
> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>
>
>
> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>
>
>
> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
> deal with, yet getting good results.
>
>
>
> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have
> heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of
> our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>
>
>
> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>
>
>
> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with
> weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
> cashflow isnt a concern?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> <http://www.amarillowireless.net>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Rory Conaway 
Do we still have the option for paypal?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the 
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long time, 
however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I ante’d up too, start dealing.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Thanks Steve,

I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the support 
only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything that 
added value to solving a problem.

So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately).  I 
don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we did 
it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.

We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time about 
options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal with, 
yet getting good results.

Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have 
heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of our 
coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.

It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.

Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.

On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern?





--

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071<tel:(806)%20316-5071>
C: 806.231.7180<tel:(806)%20231-7180>
http://www.amarillowireless.net<http://www.amarillowireless.net/>
[https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc=download]<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Colin Stanners 
The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown
Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long
time, however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it
too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I ante’d up too, start dealing.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
> Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
>> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
>> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
>> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
>> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>>
>>
>>
>> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
>> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
>> deal with, yet getting good results.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We
>> have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part
>> of our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
>> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
>> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
>> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
>> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
>> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
>> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>>
>>
>>
>> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations
>> with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
>> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
>> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
>> cashflow isnt a concern?
>>
>>
>>
>
>



-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
http://www.amarillowireless.net
<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Mike Hammett 
Operating the mailing list 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:01:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug 


I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for? 


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I ante’d up too, start dealing. 




From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug 


Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus) 


On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Thanks Steve, 

I was thinking of that also. It’s actually more than that, we kept the support 
only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything that 
added value to solving a problem. 

So, its around $ 200 per month. Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately). I 
don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we did 
it the first 2 years fully bearing costs. 

We really don’t mind doing this. I know there was a discussion last time about 
options. My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal with, 
yet getting good results. 

Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time. We have heavy 
losses with customer gear and recovery costs. The largest part of our coverage 
area got 100mph+ gusts. A very large tree came apart (probably a tornado) and 
blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and brought it 
down. Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K hit to get a 
new one up (Rohn 45G) and they just got the land cleared yesterday, trying to 
get new foundation work done. 

It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”. 

Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net 

Paul 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug 


Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support. 



On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern? 











-- 





Adair Winter 
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner 
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 
C: 806.231.7180 
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Robert 

Supporting AFMUG, send bitcoin please...

On 9/16/17 8:01 AM, Adair Winter wrote:

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I ante’d up too, start dealing.
*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

Thanks Steve, 



I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we
kept the support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per
incident plan with anything that added value to solving a
problem.



So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
(approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet
pays a decent part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years
fully bearing costs.



We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion
last time about options.  My simple statement is “It works
great” one less thing to deal with, yet getting good results.



Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this
time.  We have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery
costs. The largest part of our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts. 
A very large tree came apart (probably a tornado) and blew that

and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and brought it
down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $
15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.




It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned
out to be substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the
property owner is not contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough
money from it”.



Our paypal address is paulm@pdmnet.net



Paul



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug



Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.



On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones"
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current
situations with weather and all might indicate a need for an
afmug influx again. My donations come out of my personal
pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. But can
we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow
isnt a concern?






--

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net <http://www.amarillowireless.net/>
<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Adair Winter 
I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I ante’d up too, start dealing.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
> Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
>> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
>> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
>> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
>> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>>
>>
>>
>> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
>> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
>> deal with, yet getting good results.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We
>> have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part
>> of our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
>> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
>> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
>> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
>> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
>> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
>> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>>
>>
>>
>> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations
>> with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
>> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
>> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
>> cashflow isnt a concern?
>>
>>
>>
>
>



-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net
<http://www.amarillowireless.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Colin Stanners 
Sending you some funny-coloured money Paul. Thank you for your support of
this group, and good luck in the recovery.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> Thanks Steve,
>
>
>
> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>
>
>
> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>
>
>
> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
> deal with, yet getting good results.
>
>
>
> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have
> heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of
> our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>
>
>
> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>
>
>
> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with
> weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
> cashflow isnt a concern?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-16 Thread Chuck McCown 
I ante’d up too, start dealing.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  Thanks Steve,  



  I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the 
support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything 
that added value to solving a problem.



  So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately).  
I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we 
did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.



  We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time 
about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal 
with, yet getting good results.



  Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have 
heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of our 
coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.  



  It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.



  Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net



  Paul



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug



  Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.



  On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern?

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-15 Thread Jeremy 
Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> Thanks Steve,
>
>
>
> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>
>
>
> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>
>
>
> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
> deal with, yet getting good results.
>
>
>
> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have
> heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of
> our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>
>
>
> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>
>
>
> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with
> weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
> cashflow isnt a concern?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-15 Thread Paul McCall 
Thanks Steve,

I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the support 
only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything that 
added value to solving a problem.

So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately).  I 
don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we did 
it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.

We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time about 
options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal with, 
yet getting good results.

Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have 
heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of our 
coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.

It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.

Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.

On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern?

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

2017-09-14 Thread Steve Jones 
Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.

On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
cashflow isnt a concern?