Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-25 Thread Adam Moffett 
Not a confirmed bug at any rate.  Someone just said he had problems and 
that turning of WPA seemed to make his problem go away.


-- Original Message --
From: "Admin" <ad...@texasdata.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/25/2016 9:13:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2.6.2. I missed any mention of a WPA issue. Was that mentioned here, 
and if so how long ago?




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:28 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



Is this with 2.6?  There was a WPA bug I thought someone else said...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Jul 22, 2016 5:12 PM, "Admin" <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:

What we experienced was different. EPMP SMs wouldn’t stay registered 
on a 120 sector. 1 to 4 (of15) SMs would associate and begin to 
register, the AP would saturate,  and the SMs would drop. Plenty of 
satellites with good signals. No pattern to suggest a particular SM 
was the issue. We swapped the AP and no difference. We turned off the 
WPA2 on the AP and tested an SM and all was well. Reprogramed the rest 
of the SMs, including the backup option of an open Preferred AP, just 
in case. Bad SM on the sector, … maybe, but nothing had been added for 
a couple weeks. Pretty odd. Talked to Cambium, nobody knows. 
Otherwise, been pretty happy with EPMP.




Thanks/Billy



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:22 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



I get funky stuff from SyncInjectors to 450 APs. The injector shows no 
missing pulses. Tracking 9/13. All of the APs, all at the same time, 
will say that there's no sync. Reboot all of the APs and it goes away. 
Don't have to do anything with the injector. Plus the vast majority of 
our SyncInjector/450 sites use MTC GIGE-APC SS's with NON-shielded 
patch cables to the injector. I've removed the suppressors at a couple 
sites and it still happens.


That very well could be the stupid FPGA problem with 13.x. But all 
four APs at exactly the same time? I really don't get it.


On 7/22/2016 3:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the 
ePMP refuses to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the 
PoE.  This has been an occasional, lingering issue - but definitely 
an issue which doesn't occur with regularity.


Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided 
to re-crimp the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with 
non-shielded ends.  Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find 
this odd - although it wouldn't be the first time that shielding 
played havoc (or improved) sync. So I'm trying to recreate the whole 
setup as closely as possible so I can do some investigation.




On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:

Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some 
out-of-the-blue EPMP rereg issues recently that looked like sync, 
but turned out to be WPA2 related. Opened up the AP and everything 
back to normal.  Something to try maybe while you’re waiting on the 
GPS APs.




Billy Burns





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest 
Christian (List Account)

Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the 
sku for the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same 
price as one of the others.




-forrest



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 
stations, but otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.








-- Original Message --

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>

To: "af" <af@afmug.com>

Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving 
sync with multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that 
this is some sort of weird interaction between the shield and the 
sync pulse going to multiple radios.   To try to reproduce this I 
need to acquire some additional sync capable ePMP radios.




With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost 
track of which radios actually can receive sync from the timing 
port.   For instance.  I *think* the Force 110 is the same radio 
as they sell for the synchronized radio, but connection limited in 
software.  I also seem to remember there is a 'Lite' version of 
the synchronized AP, but I don't seem to be able to find that 
either.




Would someone who uses these more than I do care to enlighten me 
about the cheapest options to get a sy

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-25 Thread Josh Luthman 
Thought it was here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 25, 2016 9:13 AM, "Admin" <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:

> 2.6.2. I missed any mention of a WPA issue. Was that mentioned here, and
> if so how long ago?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 4:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> Is this with 2.6?  There was a WPA bug I thought someone else said...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2016 5:12 PM, "Admin" <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:
>
> What we experienced was different. EPMP SMs wouldn’t stay registered on a
> 120 sector. 1 to 4 (of15) SMs would associate and begin to register, the AP
> would saturate,  and the SMs would drop. Plenty of satellites with good
> signals. No pattern to suggest a particular SM was the issue. We swapped
> the AP and no difference. We turned off the WPA2 on the AP and tested an SM
> and all was well. Reprogramed the rest of the SMs, including the backup
> option of an open Preferred AP, just in case. Bad SM on the sector, …
> maybe, but nothing had been added for a couple weeks. Pretty odd. Talked to
> Cambium, nobody knows. Otherwise, been pretty happy with EPMP.
>
>
>
> Thanks/Billy
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 3:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> I get funky stuff from SyncInjectors to 450 APs. The injector shows no
> missing pulses. Tracking 9/13. All of the APs, all at the same time, will
> say that there's no sync. Reboot all of the APs and it goes away. Don't
> have to do anything with the injector. Plus the vast majority of our
> SyncInjector/450 sites use MTC GIGE-APC SS's with NON-shielded patch cables
> to the injector. I've removed the suppressors at a couple sites and it
> still happens.
>
> That very well could be the stupid FPGA problem with 13.x. But all
> four APs at exactly the same time? I really don't get it.
>
> On 7/22/2016 3:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP
> refuses to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  This
> has been an occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue which
> doesn't occur with regularity.
>
> Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to
> re-crimp the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with
> non-shielded ends.  Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find this
> odd - although it wouldn't be the first time that shielding played havoc
> (or improved) sync. So I'm trying to recreate the whole setup as closely as
> possible so I can do some investigation.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:
>
> Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some out-of-the-blue
> EPMP rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but turned out to be WPA2
> related. Opened up the AP and everything back to normal.  Something to try
> maybe while you’re waiting on the GPS APs.
>
>
>
> Billy Burns
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for
> the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of
> the others.
>
>
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations, but
> otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>
> Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync with
> multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some sort
> of weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to
> multiple radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some
> additional sync capable ePMP radios.
>
>
>
> W

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-25 Thread Admin 
2.6.2. I missed any mention of a WPA issue. Was that mentioned here, and if so 
how long ago?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



Is this with 2.6?  There was a WPA bug I thought someone else said...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Jul 22, 2016 5:12 PM, "Admin" <ad...@texasdata.net 
<mailto:ad...@texasdata.net> > wrote:

What we experienced was different. EPMP SMs wouldn’t stay registered on a 120 
sector. 1 to 4 (of15) SMs would associate and begin to register, the AP would 
saturate,  and the SMs would drop. Plenty of satellites with good signals. No 
pattern to suggest a particular SM was the issue. We swapped the AP and no 
difference. We turned off the WPA2 on the AP and tested an SM and all was well. 
Reprogramed the rest of the SMs, including the backup option of an open 
Preferred AP, just in case. Bad SM on the sector, … maybe, but nothing had been 
added for a couple weeks. Pretty odd. Talked to Cambium, nobody knows. 
Otherwise, been pretty happy with EPMP.



Thanks/Billy



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



I get funky stuff from SyncInjectors to 450 APs. The injector shows no missing 
pulses. Tracking 9/13. All of the APs, all at the same time, will say that 
there's no sync. Reboot all of the APs and it goes away. Don't have to do 
anything with the injector. Plus the vast majority of our SyncInjector/450 
sites use MTC GIGE-APC SS's with NON-shielded patch cables to the injector. 
I've removed the suppressors at a couple sites and it still happens.

That very well could be the stupid FPGA problem with 13.x. But all four APs 
at exactly the same time? I really don't get it.

On 7/22/2016 3:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP refuses 
to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  This has been an 
occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue which doesn't occur with 
regularity.

Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to re-crimp 
the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with non-shielded ends.  
Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find this odd - although it wouldn't 
be the first time that shielding played havoc (or improved) sync. So I'm trying 
to recreate the whole setup as closely as possible so I can do some 
investigation.



On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net 
<mailto:ad...@texasdata.net> > wrote:

Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some out-of-the-blue EPMP 
rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but turned out to be WPA2 related. 
Opened up the AP and everything back to normal.  Something to try maybe while 
you’re waiting on the GPS APs.



Billy Burns





From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af < <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for the 
bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of the 
others.



-forrest



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations, but 
otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.







-- Original Message --

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com 
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >

To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync with 
multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some sort of 
weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to multiple 
radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some additional sync 
capable ePMP radios.



With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost track of which 
radios actually can receive sync from the timing port.   For instance.  I 
*think* the Force 110 is the same radio as they sell for the synchronized 
radio, but connection limited in software.  I also seem to remember there is a 
'Lite' version of the synchronized AP, but I don't seem to be able to find that 
either.



Would someone who uses these more than I do care to enlighten me about the 
cheapest options to get a synchronized epmp

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Josh Luthman 
Is this with 2.6?  There was a WPA bug I thought someone else said...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 22, 2016 5:12 PM, "Admin" <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:

> What we experienced was different. EPMP SMs wouldn’t stay registered on a
> 120 sector. 1 to 4 (of15) SMs would associate and begin to register, the AP
> would saturate,  and the SMs would drop. Plenty of satellites with good
> signals. No pattern to suggest a particular SM was the issue. We swapped
> the AP and no difference. We turned off the WPA2 on the AP and tested an SM
> and all was well. Reprogramed the rest of the SMs, including the backup
> option of an open Preferred AP, just in case. Bad SM on the sector, …
> maybe, but nothing had been added for a couple weeks. Pretty odd. Talked to
> Cambium, nobody knows. Otherwise, been pretty happy with EPMP.
>
>
>
> Thanks/Billy
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 3:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> I get funky stuff from SyncInjectors to 450 APs. The injector shows no
> missing pulses. Tracking 9/13. All of the APs, all at the same time, will
> say that there's no sync. Reboot all of the APs and it goes away. Don't
> have to do anything with the injector. Plus the vast majority of our
> SyncInjector/450 sites use MTC GIGE-APC SS's with NON-shielded patch cables
> to the injector. I've removed the suppressors at a couple sites and it
> still happens.
>
> That very well could be the stupid FPGA problem with 13.x. But all
> four APs at exactly the same time? I really don't get it.
>
> On 7/22/2016 3:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP
> refuses to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  This
> has been an occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue which
> doesn't occur with regularity.
>
> Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to
> re-crimp the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with
> non-shielded ends.  Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find this
> odd - although it wouldn't be the first time that shielding played havoc
> (or improved) sync. So I'm trying to recreate the whole setup as closely as
> possible so I can do some investigation.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:
>
> Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some out-of-the-blue
> EPMP rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but turned out to be WPA2
> related. Opened up the AP and everything back to normal.  Something to try
> maybe while you’re waiting on the GPS APs.
>
>
>
> Billy Burns
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for
> the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of
> the others.
>
>
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations, but
> otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>
> Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync with
> multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some sort
> of weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to
> multiple radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some
> additional sync capable ePMP radios.
>
>
>
> With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost track of
> which radios actually can receive sync from the timing port.   For
> instance.  I *think* the Force 110 is the same radio as they sell for the
> synchronized radio, but connection limited in software.  I also seem to
> remember there is a 'Lite' version of the synchronized AP, but I don't seem
> to be able to find that either.
>
>
>
> Would someone who uses these more than I do care to enlighten me about the
> cheapest options to get a synchronized epmp AP which will neve

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Admin 
What we experienced was different. EPMP SMs wouldn’t stay registered on a 120 
sector. 1 to 4 (of15) SMs would associate and begin to register, the AP would 
saturate,  and the SMs would drop. Plenty of satellites with good signals. No 
pattern to suggest a particular SM was the issue. We swapped the AP and no 
difference. We turned off the WPA2 on the AP and tested an SM and all was well. 
Reprogramed the rest of the SMs, including the backup option of an open 
Preferred AP, just in case. Bad SM on the sector, … maybe, but nothing had been 
added for a couple weeks. Pretty odd. Talked to Cambium, nobody knows. 
Otherwise, been pretty happy with EPMP.



Thanks/Billy



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



I get funky stuff from SyncInjectors to 450 APs. The injector shows no missing 
pulses. Tracking 9/13. All of the APs, all at the same time, will say that 
there's no sync. Reboot all of the APs and it goes away. Don't have to do 
anything with the injector. Plus the vast majority of our SyncInjector/450 
sites use MTC GIGE-APC SS's with NON-shielded patch cables to the injector. 
I've removed the suppressors at a couple sites and it still happens.

That very well could be the stupid FPGA problem with 13.x. But all four APs 
at exactly the same time? I really don't get it.

On 7/22/2016 3:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP refuses 
to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  This has been an 
occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue which doesn't occur with 
regularity.

Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to re-crimp 
the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with non-shielded ends.  
Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find this odd - although it wouldn't 
be the first time that shielding played havoc (or improved) sync. So I'm trying 
to recreate the whole setup as closely as possible so I can do some 
investigation.



On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net 
<mailto:ad...@texasdata.net> > wrote:

Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some out-of-the-blue EPMP 
rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but turned out to be WPA2 related. 
Opened up the AP and everything back to normal.  Something to try maybe while 
you’re waiting on the GPS APs.



Billy Burns





From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af < <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for the 
bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of the 
others.



-forrest



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations, but 
otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.







-- Original Message --

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com 
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >

To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync with 
multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some sort of 
weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to multiple 
radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some additional sync 
capable ePMP radios.



With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost track of which 
radios actually can receive sync from the timing port.   For instance.  I 
*think* the Force 110 is the same radio as they sell for the synchronized 
radio, but connection limited in software.  I also seem to remember there is a 
'Lite' version of the synchronized AP, but I don't seem to be able to find that 
either.



Would someone who uses these more than I do care to enlighten me about the 
cheapest options to get a synchronized epmp AP which will never see more than 
1-2 clients (and maybe not even that many)?



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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Josh Luthman 
Cambium is slightly above decent.  Mikrotik and Ubnt are complete poo.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 22, 2016 4:48 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Well that's darn frustrating.
>
> Something to add to the list of things to get customers to look at I
> guess.Heck, this could have been the issue with a couple I've dealt
> with recently.
>
> The release notes seems not very verbose about this... Looks like they
> found it in 2.5.1 and fixed it in 2.6.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Make sure they're reading it right.  In 2.4 or 2.5 there was a bug that
>> would say CMM sync down but it would actually be up and functioning just
>> fine.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP
>>> refuses to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  This
>>> has been an occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue which
>>> doesn't occur with regularity.
>>>
>>> Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to
>>> re-crimp the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with
>>> non-shielded ends.  Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find this
>>> odd - although it wouldn't be the first time that shielding played havoc
>>> (or improved) sync. So I'm trying to recreate the whole setup as closely as
>>> possible so I can do some investigation.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some
>>>> out-of-the-blue EPMP rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but
>>>> turned out to be WPA2 related. Opened up the AP and everything back to
>>>> normal.  Something to try maybe while you’re waiting on the GPS APs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Billy Burns
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>>>> Christian (List Account)
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
>>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku
>>>> for the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one
>>>> of the others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations,
>>>> but otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>
>>>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync
>>>> with multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some
>>>> sort of weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to
>>>> multiple radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some
>>>> additional sync capable ePMP radios.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost track of
>>>> which radios actually can receive sync from the timing port.   For
>>>> instance.  I *think* the Force 110 is the same radio as they sell for the
>>>> synchronized radio, but connection limited in software.  I also seem to
>>>> remember there is a 'Lite' version of the synchr

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Well that's darn frustrating.

Something to add to the list of things to get customers to look at I
guess.Heck, this could have been the issue with a couple I've dealt
with recently.

The release notes seems not very verbose about this... Looks like they
found it in 2.5.1 and fixed it in 2.6.


On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Make sure they're reading it right.  In 2.4 or 2.5 there was a bug that
> would say CMM sync down but it would actually be up and functioning just
> fine.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP
>> refuses to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  This
>> has been an occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue which
>> doesn't occur with regularity.
>>
>> Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to
>> re-crimp the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with
>> non-shielded ends.  Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find this
>> odd - although it wouldn't be the first time that shielding played havoc
>> (or improved) sync. So I'm trying to recreate the whole setup as closely as
>> possible so I can do some investigation.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some out-of-the-blue
>>> EPMP rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but turned out to be WPA2
>>> related. Opened up the AP and everything back to normal.  Something to try
>>> maybe while you’re waiting on the GPS APs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Billy Burns
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>>> Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku
>>> for the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one
>>> of the others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations, but
>>> otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>>
>>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
>>>
>>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>
>>> Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync
>>> with multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some
>>> sort of weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to
>>> multiple radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some
>>> additional sync capable ePMP radios.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost track of
>>> which radios actually can receive sync from the timing port.   For
>>> instance.  I *think* the Force 110 is the same radio as they sell for the
>>> synchronized radio, but connection limited in software.  I also seem to
>>> remember there is a 'Lite' version of the synchronized AP, but I don't seem
>>> to be able to find that either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would someone who uses these more than I do care to enlighten me about
>>> the cheapest options to get a synchronized epmp AP which will never see
>>> more than 1-2 clients (and maybe not even that many)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>>
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>>
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com/
>>>
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread George Skorup 
I get funky stuff from SyncInjectors to 450 APs. The injector shows no 
missing pulses. Tracking 9/13. All of the APs, all at the same time, 
will say that there's no sync. Reboot all of the APs and it goes away. 
Don't have to do anything with the injector. Plus the vast majority of 
our SyncInjector/450 sites use MTC GIGE-APC SS's with NON-shielded patch 
cables to the injector. I've removed the suppressors at a couple sites 
and it still happens.


That very well could be the stupid FPGA problem with 13.x. But all 
four APs at exactly the same time? I really don't get it.


On 7/22/2016 3:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP 
refuses to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  
This has been an occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue 
which doesn't occur with regularity.


Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to 
re-crimp the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with 
non-shielded ends.  Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find 
this odd - although it wouldn't be the first time that shielding 
played havoc (or improved) sync. So I'm trying to recreate the whole 
setup as closely as possible so I can do some investigation.


On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net 
<mailto:ad...@texasdata.net>> wrote:


Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some
out-of-the-blue EPMP rereg issues recently that looked like sync,
but turned out to be WPA2 related. Opened up the AP and everything
back to normal. Something to try maybe while you’re waiting on the
GPS APs.

Billy Burns

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
(List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
*To:* af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the
sku for the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same
price as one of the others.

-forrest

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10
stations, but otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.

-- Original Message --

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>

To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not
receiving sync with multiple radios on the tower. I
totally guessing that this is some sort of weird
interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to
multiple radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to
acquire some additional sync capable ePMP radios.

With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've
lost track of which radios actually can receive sync from
the timing port.   For instance.  I *think* the Force 110
is the same radio as they sell for the synchronized radio,
but connection limited in software.  I also seem to
remember there is a 'Lite' version of the synchronized AP,
but I don't seem to be able to find that either.

Would someone who uses these more than I do care to
enlighten me about the cheapest options to get a
synchronized epmp AP which will never see more than 1-2
clients (and maybe not even that many)?

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Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Josh Luthman 
Make sure they're reading it right.  In 2.4 or 2.5 there was a bug that
would say CMM sync down but it would actually be up and functioning just
fine.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP
> refuses to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  This
> has been an occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue which
> doesn't occur with regularity.
>
> Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to
> re-crimp the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with
> non-shielded ends.  Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find this
> odd - although it wouldn't be the first time that shielding played havoc
> (or improved) sync. So I'm trying to recreate the whole setup as closely as
> possible so I can do some investigation.
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:
>
>> Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some out-of-the-blue
>> EPMP rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but turned out to be WPA2
>> related. Opened up the AP and everything back to normal.  Something to try
>> maybe while you’re waiting on the GPS APs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Billy Burns
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>> Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for
>> the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of
>> the others.
>>
>>
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations, but
>> otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
>>
>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM
>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync
>> with multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some
>> sort of weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to
>> multiple radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some
>> additional sync capable ePMP radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost track of
>> which radios actually can receive sync from the timing port.   For
>> instance.  I *think* the Force 110 is the same radio as they sell for the
>> synchronized radio, but connection limited in software.  I also seem to
>> remember there is a 'Lite' version of the synchronized AP, but I don't seem
>> to be able to find that either.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would someone who uses these more than I do care to enlighten me about
>> the cheapest options to get a synchronized epmp AP which will never see
>> more than 1-2 clients (and maybe not even that many)?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com/
>>
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
The issue my customers are occasionally having is simply that the ePMP
refuses to acknowledge there's even a valid sync pulse on the PoE.  This
has been an occasional, lingering issue - but definitely an issue which
doesn't occur with regularity.

Recently a customer who was having this problem with a site decided to
re-crimp the SyncInjector ends of their shielded tower cables with
non-shielded ends.  Amazingly, the entire problem went away. I find this
odd - although it wouldn't be the first time that shielding played havoc
(or improved) sync. So I'm trying to recreate the whole setup as closely as
possible so I can do some investigation.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Admin <ad...@texasdata.net> wrote:

> Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some out-of-the-blue
> EPMP rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but turned out to be WPA2
> related. Opened up the AP and everything back to normal.  Something to try
> maybe while you’re waiting on the GPS APs.
>
>
>
> Billy Burns
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for
> the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of
> the others.
>
>
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations, but
> otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>
> Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync with
> multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some sort
> of weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to
> multiple radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some
> additional sync capable ePMP radios.
>
>
>
> With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost track of
> which radios actually can receive sync from the timing port.   For
> instance.  I *think* the Force 110 is the same radio as they sell for the
> synchronized radio, but connection limited in software.  I also seem to
> remember there is a 'Lite' version of the synchronized AP, but I don't seem
> to be able to find that either.
>
>
>
> Would someone who uses these more than I do care to enlighten me about the
> cheapest options to get a synchronized epmp AP which will never see more
> than 1-2 clients (and maybe not even that many)?
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com/
>
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>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Admin 
Forrest I know you’re the “sync guy,” but we fought some out-of-the-blue EPMP 
rereg issues recently that looked like sync, but turned out to be WPA2 related. 
Opened up the AP and everything back to normal.  Something to try maybe while 
you’re waiting on the GPS APs.



Billy Burns





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for the 
bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of the 
others.



-forrest



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The force 110 backhaul is the lite AP.  It's limited to 10 stations, but 
otherwise same hardware as the GPS Sync AP.







-- Original Message --

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com 
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >

To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 7/21/2016 5:18:36 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants



I'm fighting some sync issues with the ePMP radios not receiving sync with 
multiple radios on the tower.   I totally guessing that this is some sort of 
weird interaction between the shield and the sync pulse going to multiple 
radios.   To try to reproduce this I need to acquire some additional sync 
capable ePMP radios.



With the addition of all of the options to the ePMP I've lost track of which 
radios actually can receive sync from the timing port.   For instance.  I 
*think* the Force 110 is the same radio as they sell for the synchronized 
radio, but connection limited in software.  I also seem to remember there is a 
'Lite' version of the synchronized AP, but I don't seem to be able to find that 
either.



Would someone who uses these more than I do care to enlighten me about the 
cheapest options to get a synchronized epmp AP which will never see more than 
1-2 clients (and maybe not even that many)?



--


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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Adam Moffett 
I think the Cambium sector antenna is somewhere between $150-200 
depending where you get it.


You could use your old UBNT or other antennas, but if you're going to 
rely on sync and channel re-use they say you want a high F/B ratio and 
they have that on their brand of sector.




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Sent: 7/22/2016 1:09:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

so more APs, tighter antenna for the same price (assuming the antenna 
cost is negligible)?


On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
Yep, just the radio cost difference.   These will actually just live 
on the bench with terminators on their SMA jacks.   There's a good 
chance that one or more of them will actually never have a SM attach 
to it over it's lifetime.


I was having a hard time swallowing $500 each for the gps sync radios. 
 The PTP's are closer to $200.  So I guess the reality is I can buy 
2.5 of them for the same price as one of the others.


-forrest

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:
Just note that only the connectorized radios with the on-board GPS 
support sync. I take it you mean the 110PTP radio is 1/3 the cost of 
the full GPS Sync connectorized AP. As others have said, yeah, you 
can upgrade the 110PTP from the 10 SM limit to the full 120 via 
license key.


We haven't bought any of the Sync radios for PTP simply because I 
want the low latency ePTP mode which doesn't sync anyway.



On 7/21/2016 4:31 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the 
sku for the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same 
price as one of the others.






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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Josh Luthman 
I don't think there's a lite 2.4

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On Jul 22, 2016 10:00 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
>
>
> Do you have part #’s (and MSRP) for the lite versions of the 1000APs (5
> Ghz and 2.4 Ghz) ?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 6:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants
>
>
>
> To be clear, that's for the ePMP 2000.  The lite version of the 1000 AP is
> less than $200, IIRC.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:43 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> You can get the lite version for $265.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Yep, just the radio cost difference.   These will actually just live on
> the bench with terminators on their SMA jacks.   There's a good chance that
> one or more of them will actually never have a SM attach to it over it's
> lifetime.
>
>
>
> I was having a hard time swallowing $500 each for the gps sync radios.
> The PTP's are closer to $200.  So I guess the reality is I can buy 2.5 of
> them for the same price as one of the others.
>
>
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
> Just note that only the connectorized radios with the on-board GPS support
> sync. I take it you mean the 110PTP radio is 1/3 the cost of the full GPS
> Sync connectorized AP. As others have said, yeah, you can upgrade the
> 110PTP from the 10 SM limit to the full 120 via license key.
>
> We haven't bought any of the Sync radios for PTP simply because I want the
> low latency ePTP mode which doesn't sync anyway.
>
>
>
> On 7/21/2016 4:31 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for
> the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of
> the others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Paul McCall 
Jeff,

Do you have part #’s (and MSRP) for the lite versions of the 1000APs (5 Ghz and 
2.4 Ghz) ?

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

To be clear, that's for the ePMP 2000.  The lite version of the 1000 AP is less 
than $200, IIRC.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:43 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
You can get the lite version for $265.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jul 22, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Yep, just the radio cost difference.   These will actually just live on the 
bench with terminators on their SMA jacks.   There's a good chance that one or 
more of them will actually never have a SM attach to it over it's lifetime.

I was having a hard time swallowing $500 each for the gps sync radios.  The 
PTP's are closer to $200.  So I guess the reality is I can buy 2.5 of them for 
the same price as one of the others.

-forrest

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Just note that only the connectorized radios with the on-board GPS support 
sync. I take it you mean the 110PTP radio is 1/3 the cost of the full GPS Sync 
connectorized AP. As others have said, yeah, you can upgrade the 110PTP from 
the 10 SM limit to the full 120 via license key.

We haven't bought any of the Sync radios for PTP simply because I want the low 
latency ePTP mode which doesn't sync anyway.


On 7/21/2016 4:31 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for the 
bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of the 
others.




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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
To be clear, that's for the ePMP 2000.  The lite version of the 1000 AP is less 
than $200, IIRC.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:43 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> You can get the lite version for $265.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, just the radio cost difference.   These will actually just live on the 
>> bench with terminators on their SMA jacks.   There's a good chance that one 
>> or more of them will actually never have a SM attach to it over it's 
>> lifetime.
>> 
>> I was having a hard time swallowing $500 each for the gps sync radios.  The 
>> PTP's are closer to $200.  So I guess the reality is I can buy 2.5 of them 
>> for the same price as one of the others.
>> 
>> -forrest
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>> Just note that only the connectorized radios with the on-board GPS support 
>>> sync. I take it you mean the 110PTP radio is 1/3 the cost of the full GPS 
>>> Sync connectorized AP. As others have said, yeah, you can upgrade the 
>>> 110PTP from the 10 SM limit to the full 120 via license key.
>>> 
>>> We haven't bought any of the Sync radios for PTP simply because I want the 
>>> low latency ePTP mode which doesn't sync anyway.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7/21/2016 4:31 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
 Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for 
 the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of 
 the others.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>   
>>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
You can get the lite version for $265.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep, just the radio cost difference.   These will actually just live on the 
> bench with terminators on their SMA jacks.   There's a good chance that one 
> or more of them will actually never have a SM attach to it over it's lifetime.
> 
> I was having a hard time swallowing $500 each for the gps sync radios.  The 
> PTP's are closer to $200.  So I guess the reality is I can buy 2.5 of them 
> for the same price as one of the others.
> 
> -forrest
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>> Just note that only the connectorized radios with the on-board GPS support 
>> sync. I take it you mean the 110PTP radio is 1/3 the cost of the full GPS 
>> Sync connectorized AP. As others have said, yeah, you can upgrade the 110PTP 
>> from the 10 SM limit to the full 120 via license key.
>> 
>> We haven't bought any of the Sync radios for PTP simply because I want the 
>> low latency ePTP mode which doesn't sync anyway.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/21/2016 4:31 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for 
>>> the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of 
>>> the others.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-21 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
so more APs, tighter antenna for the same price (assuming the antenna cost
is negligible)?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Yep, just the radio cost difference.   These will actually just live on
> the bench with terminators on their SMA jacks.   There's a good chance that
> one or more of them will actually never have a SM attach to it over it's
> lifetime.
>
> I was having a hard time swallowing $500 each for the gps sync radios.
> The PTP's are closer to $200.  So I guess the reality is I can buy 2.5 of
> them for the same price as one of the others.
>
> -forrest
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Just note that only the connectorized radios with the on-board GPS
>> support sync. I take it you mean the 110PTP radio is 1/3 the cost of the
>> full GPS Sync connectorized AP. As others have said, yeah, you can upgrade
>> the 110PTP from the 10 SM limit to the full 120 via license key.
>>
>> We haven't bought any of the Sync radios for PTP simply because I want
>> the low latency ePTP mode which doesn't sync anyway.
>>
>>
>> On 7/21/2016 4:31 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku
>>> for the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one
>>> of the others.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-21 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Yep, just the radio cost difference.   These will actually just live on the
bench with terminators on their SMA jacks.   There's a good chance that one
or more of them will actually never have a SM attach to it over it's
lifetime.

I was having a hard time swallowing $500 each for the gps sync radios.  The
PTP's are closer to $200.  So I guess the reality is I can buy 2.5 of them
for the same price as one of the others.

-forrest

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Just note that only the connectorized radios with the on-board GPS support
> sync. I take it you mean the 110PTP radio is 1/3 the cost of the full GPS
> Sync connectorized AP. As others have said, yeah, you can upgrade the
> 110PTP from the 10 SM limit to the full 120 via license key.
>
> We haven't bought any of the Sync radios for PTP simply because I want the
> low latency ePTP mode which doesn't sync anyway.
>
>
> On 7/21/2016 4:31 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
>> Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku for
>> the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as one of
>> the others.
>>
>
>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP hardware variants

2016-07-21 Thread George Skorup 
Just note that only the connectorized radios with the on-board GPS 
support sync. I take it you mean the 110PTP radio is 1/3 the cost of the 
full GPS Sync connectorized AP. As others have said, yeah, you can 
upgrade the 110PTP from the 10 SM limit to the full 120 via license key.


We haven't bought any of the Sync radios for PTP simply because I want 
the low latency ePTP mode which doesn't sync anyway.


On 7/21/2016 4:31 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for.  I even found the sku 
for the bare radio.   I can get 3 of these for about the same price as 
one of the others.