DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised Full Logical Ruleset

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 28 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> Online documents:
>  https://agoranomic.github.io/ruleset/slr.txt (SLR)
>  https://agoranomic.github.io/ruleset/flr.txt (FLR)

You might want to check your flr link Gaelan - it looks like it goes
to an older (9-May) copy.

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Josh T]

@Aris: Thank you for putting into words what I had been thinking while
reading over those of CuddleBeam's messages.

天火狐

On 28 May 2017 at 21:51, Aris Merchant 
wrote:

> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 6:39 PM, CuddleBeam 
> wrote:
> > Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Superman.
> >
> > Unregulated actions are weird.
>
> No one seems to understand what unregulated means. All it means is
> that the rules can't say that an action is impossible or prohibited.
> It doesn't magically make it possible, or convince the rules to care
> about it. All the unregulated/regulated distinction is intended to do
> is to prevent the rules from being interpreted so as to stop a player
> doing something ordinary, for instance walking down the street. It
> doesn't mean that you can suddenly do game actions that you couldn't
> before. See also CFJ 2151.
>
> -Aris
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3505 assigned to Quazie

[Josh T]

I am willing to support reconsidering this CFJ on behalf of G. if there is
interest among the players for reconsideration.

天火狐

On 28 May 2017 at 21:18, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> I'm just catching up to this CFJ now, and I have to say I'd consider
> this an example of judicial overreach and motion to reconsider were I a
> player.  Rather than extrapolating slightly to generalize the question,
> or slightly changing the wording of the CFJ to answer what the caller
> *meant* to ask, this uses a judgement to try and sent precedent on an
> entirely different matter.  If this were allowed we'd have to let judges
> opine on anything, unrelated to their CFJ topic, and consider it
> precedent.
>
> On Wed, 24 May 2017, Quazie wrote:
>
> >   First: Past rules allow for YES/NO questions to be judged
> TRUE/FALSE with TRUE meaning YES and FALSE meaning NO, and I will
> re-establish that
> >   tradition as a new judicial precedent within this judgment.  If
> there is issue with this interpretation, I will be happy to reconsider as
> DISMISS,
> >   but I will follow with the rest of my judgment.
> >
> > Next: The CFJ in question asks "Can this statement have a Judge?".  I
> find this CFJ to be trivially TRUE and judge it as such.  Even giving the
> > interesting barring attempt (Which I'll discuss shortly) only two
> realities exist:
> > Reality One: I am the judge of this CFJ, and if this is true then the
> barring attempt failed.
> > Reality Two: I am not the judge of this CFJ, but once thats established
> ais523 will simply assign a new judge, and E will likely agree with my
> statement
> > that e is the judge of the CFJ.
> >
> > In either reality there eventually is a judge for this CFJ, and thus the
> CFJ is TRUE (Meaning YES to the yes/no question presented).
> >
> > To be honest, I could end the judgment here.  CuddleBeam should've CFJed
> on "A player, other than CuddleBeam, is barred on this CFJ".  That would've
> > required someone to judge if the barring worked.  I note to CuddleBeam:
> Be more careful of your wording next time. I'm unsure if your $2.99 Super
> CFJs
> > are all their cracked up to be if I feel comfortable not judging the
> question you seemed to intend to raise.  But, I've got an opinion on the
> matter, and
> > I believe it's controversial, and I've got some words to say.
> >
> > So... let's get into the question at hand:
> >
> > Was anyone barred from judging this CFJ?
> >
> > It seems like ais523 didn't attempt to assign anyone else first (E gave
> no indication that E did so, and in fact noted that e didn't believe e had
> to).
> > {{{
> >   (My own current understanding
> >   is that the attempt to bar the judge fails because it's a conditional
> >   action based on information that will only be available in the future;
> >   presumably, the CFJ verdict might end up confirming or denying this
> >   understanding.)
> > }}}
> >
> > The thing is, I don't see it that way.
> >
> > Conditional activities are defined, in a general way, by R1023
> > {{{
> >   (c) If a regulated value, or the value of a conditional, or a
> > value otherwise required to determine the outcome of a
> > regulated action, CANNOT be reasonably determined (without
> > circularity or paradox) from information reasonably
> > available, or if it alternates instantaneously and
> > indefinitely between values, then the value is considered to
> > be Indeterminate, otherwise it is Determinate.
> > }}}
> >
> > The burden here is reasonability - is it reasonable to allow an
> conditional activity to happen?
> >
> > I agree, there's a long standing tradition (Potentially
> established/enforced through CFJ 3381 or CFJ 2926, this information
> gathering is left up to the
> > reader) that future conditional actions aren't valid, and I will uphold
> that logic for most cases.
> >
> > I agree that it's wrong for the game to allow an action to resolve at an
> arbitrary date in the future.
> > (e.g. "I give  1 shiny if they send a photo of a sloth via a
> public forum." should not actually send the Sloth-Sender a shiny.  That
> requires an
> > officer (or in simpler cases just the playerbase) to keep track of an
> action for an indeterminate amount of time which is unreasonable.)
> >
> > I agree that it's wrong and bad for the game to make future conditional
> action's be allowable with a pre-set arbitrary resolution event and time.
> > (e.g. "I give  1 shiny if, within the next week, they send out a
> message with unicode characters in it".  Non-rule defined deadlines are
> > similarly unreasonable, as they non-consensually place an obligation on
> someone else to track the conditional to ensure success of a future
> activity.)
> > (e.g. "When the promotor distributes proposal titled `Beef, it's what's
> for dinner!` I vote FOR" is invalid for similar reasons.  It isn't
> reasonable for
> > the Assesor to start tracking votes until the voting period begins.
> Once again, a non-rule obligation.)
> >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 29 May 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 02:34 +, Quazie wrote:
> > On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 18:17 CuddleBeam 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I withdraw grok's objection.
> > > > 
> > Um... You usually have  to prove you can do a thing that seems
> > obvious wrong or people will ignore it.
> 
> As far as I can tell, nothing prevents people withdrawing other
> people's objections, but doing so doesn't do anything (apart from
> possibly triggering the 24 hour lockout); objections only cease to be
> counted if they're withdrawn by the objector.

Although I do think grok's "If I am still an objector, but my objection 
has been withdrawn [by someone else], can I withdraw my objection?" is
a valid question.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Alex Smith]

On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 02:34 +, Quazie wrote:
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 18:17 CuddleBeam 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > I withdraw grok's objection.
> > > 
> Um... You usually have  to prove you can do a thing that seems
> obvious wrong or people will ignore it.

As far as I can tell, nothing prevents people withdrawing other
people's objections, but doing so doesn't do anything (apart from
possibly triggering the 24 hour lockout); objections only cease to be
counted if they're withdrawn by the objector.

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Quazie]

Um... You usually have  to prove you can do a thing that seems obvious
wrong or people will ignore it.


On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 18:17 CuddleBeam  wrote:

> I withdraw grok's objection.
>

Re: DIS: CFJ 3515

[Alex Smith]

On Sun, 2017-05-28 at 07:54 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
wrote:
> Am I still assigned to CFJ 3515, given that it is now open again? If
> so, when does my week expire?

Yes, and a week after the case was reopened.

-- 
ais523

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Aris Merchant]

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 6:39 PM, CuddleBeam  wrote:
> Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Superman.
>
> Unregulated actions are weird.

No one seems to understand what unregulated means. All it means is
that the rules can't say that an action is impossible or prohibited.
It doesn't magically make it possible, or convince the rules to care
about it. All the unregulated/regulated distinction is intended to do
is to prevent the rules from being interpreted so as to stop a player
doing something ordinary, for instance walking down the street. It
doesn't mean that you can suddenly do game actions that you couldn't
before. See also CFJ 2151.

-Aris

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
> >Interesting question: If am still an objector, but my objection has been 
> >withdrawn, can I withdraw my my objection?
> Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Superman.
> 
> Unregulated actions are weird.


It does concern me that no one is "required" to track objections, even 
if the argument doesn't hold up, it's a place where clarity would be
nice.

I suppose one could make the case that a dependent action, if
successful, requires a recordkeepor to modify a record;  therefore
the action of supporting/objecting "would modify a record" in
the aggregate.

Actually, I think the way it reads, what is tracked is the minimal
amount of support/objections to change the outcome.

It's an interesting possibility.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 28 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote:
> Interesting question: If am still an objector, but my objection
> has been withdrawn, can I withdraw my my objection?

FOO!

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Sun, 28 May 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:


On Mon, 29 May 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote:

Note that only withdrawals by the Objector emself count.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


snap!


I feel so redundant. Also, still waiting for you to snap and use the term 
ISIDTID.


Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:

> Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the 
> subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would* 
> work,
> that's good enough trophy for me.
> "Withdrawing" isn't a regulated action apparently (note that I, as the 
> initiator, am not required to track any Objections until I actually intend to 
> complete
> it, when I need to publish the list, I believe). Or it is, and since there is 
> no explicit way to do it, nobody can actually withdraw, ever.
> 
> So I can just do the unregulated action of "I withdraw your objection" (would 
> my proof of "all actions are regulation actions or not actions" not work)
>

>From R2124:

   A Supporter of a dependent action is an eligible entity who has
   publicly posted (and not withdrawn) support (syn. "consent") for
   an announcement of intent to perform the action.   An Objector to
   a dependent action is an eligible entity who has publicly posted
   (and not withdrawn) an objection to the announcement of intent
   to perform the action.

The ("and not withdrawn") as a verb is clearly tied to the Objector.  In
other  words, if ANOTHER player "withdraws" your objections (whatever that
means), you're still an Objector because YOU haven't withdrawn your 
objections.

And it's #Objectors versus #Supporters, not #Objections versus #Supports,
that counts for the determination in R2124.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[grok (caleb vines)]

On May 28, 2017 8:30 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:



On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:

> Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the
subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would*
work,
> that's good enough trophy for me.
> "Withdrawing" isn't a regulated action apparently (note that I, as the
initiator, am not required to track any Objections until I actually intend
to complete
> it, when I need to publish the list, I believe). Or it is, and since
there is no explicit way to do it, nobody can actually withdraw, ever.
>
> So I can just do the unregulated action of "I withdraw your objection"
(would my proof of "all actions are regulation actions or not actions" not
work)
>

>From R2124:

   A Supporter of a dependent action is an eligible entity who has
   publicly posted (and not withdrawn) support (syn. "consent") for
   an announcement of intent to perform the action.   An Objector to
   a dependent action is an eligible entity who has publicly posted
   (and not withdrawn) an objection to the announcement of intent
   to perform the action.

The ("and not withdrawn") as a verb is clearly tied to the Objector.  In
other  words, if ANOTHER player "withdraws" your objections (whatever that
means), you're still an Objector because YOU haven't withdrawn your
objections.

And it's #Objectors versus #Supporters, not #Objections versus #Supports,
that counts for the determination in R2124.



Interesting question: If am still an objector, but my objection has been
withdrawn, can I withdraw my my objection?

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[CuddleBeam]

>From rule 2124:

>  An Objector to
>  a dependent action is an eligible entity who has publicly posted
>  (and not withdrawn) an objection to the announcement of intent
>  to perform the action.

Ah, dangit, that verb conjugation. So subtle.


I guess it would've worked if it was "(and such an objection has not
been withdrawn)", instead.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 29 May 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> Note that only withdrawals by the Objector emself count.
> 
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.

snap!

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:


So I can just do the unregulated action of "I withdraw your objection"
(would my proof of "all actions are regulation actions or not actions" not
work)


From rule 2124:

An Objector to
  a dependent action is an eligible entity who has publicly posted
  (and not withdrawn) an objection to the announcement of intent
  to perform the action.

Note that only withdrawals by the Objector emself count.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3505 assigned to Quazie

[Kerim Aydin]

I'm just catching up to this CFJ now, and I have to say I'd consider
this an example of judicial overreach and motion to reconsider were I a
player.  Rather than extrapolating slightly to generalize the question,
or slightly changing the wording of the CFJ to answer what the caller
*meant* to ask, this uses a judgement to try and sent precedent on an
entirely different matter.  If this were allowed we'd have to let judges
opine on anything, unrelated to their CFJ topic, and consider it
precedent.

On Wed, 24 May 2017, Quazie wrote:

>   First: Past rules allow for YES/NO questions to be judged TRUE/FALSE 
> with TRUE meaning YES and FALSE meaning NO, and I will re-establish that
>   tradition as a new judicial precedent within this judgment.  If there 
> is issue with this interpretation, I will be happy to reconsider as DISMISS,
>   but I will follow with the rest of my judgment.
> 
> Next: The CFJ in question asks "Can this statement have a Judge?".  I find 
> this CFJ to be trivially TRUE and judge it as such.  Even giving the
> interesting barring attempt (Which I'll discuss shortly) only two realities 
> exist:
> Reality One: I am the judge of this CFJ, and if this is true then the barring 
> attempt failed.
> Reality Two: I am not the judge of this CFJ, but once thats established 
> ais523 will simply assign a new judge, and E will likely agree with my 
> statement
> that e is the judge of the CFJ.
> 
> In either reality there eventually is a judge for this CFJ, and thus the CFJ 
> is TRUE (Meaning YES to the yes/no question presented).
> 
> To be honest, I could end the judgment here.  CuddleBeam should've CFJed on 
> "A player, other than CuddleBeam, is barred on this CFJ".  That would've
> required someone to judge if the barring worked.  I note to CuddleBeam: Be 
> more careful of your wording next time. I'm unsure if your $2.99 Super CFJs
> are all their cracked up to be if I feel comfortable not judging the question 
> you seemed to intend to raise.  But, I've got an opinion on the matter, and
> I believe it's controversial, and I've got some words to say.
> 
> So... let's get into the question at hand:
> 
> Was anyone barred from judging this CFJ?
> 
> It seems like ais523 didn't attempt to assign anyone else first (E gave no 
> indication that E did so, and in fact noted that e didn't believe e had to).
> {{{
>   (My own current understanding
>   is that the attempt to bar the judge fails because it's a conditional
>   action based on information that will only be available in the future;
>   presumably, the CFJ verdict might end up confirming or denying this
>   understanding.)
> }}}
> 
> The thing is, I don't see it that way.
> 
> Conditional activities are defined, in a general way, by R1023
> {{{
>   (c) If a regulated value, or the value of a conditional, or a
>     value otherwise required to determine the outcome of a
>     regulated action, CANNOT be reasonably determined (without
>     circularity or paradox) from information reasonably
>     available, or if it alternates instantaneously and
>     indefinitely between values, then the value is considered to
>     be Indeterminate, otherwise it is Determinate.
> }}}
> 
> The burden here is reasonability - is it reasonable to allow an conditional 
> activity to happen?
> 
> I agree, there's a long standing tradition (Potentially established/enforced 
> through CFJ 3381 or CFJ 2926, this information gathering is left up to the
> reader) that future conditional actions aren't valid, and I will uphold that 
> logic for most cases.
> 
> I agree that it's wrong for the game to allow an action to resolve at an 
> arbitrary date in the future. 
> (e.g. "I give  1 shiny if they send a photo of a sloth via a public 
> forum." should not actually send the Sloth-Sender a shiny.  That requires an
> officer (or in simpler cases just the playerbase) to keep track of an action 
> for an indeterminate amount of time which is unreasonable.)
> 
> I agree that it's wrong and bad for the game to make future conditional 
> action's be allowable with a pre-set arbitrary resolution event and time.
> (e.g. "I give  1 shiny if, within the next week, they send out a 
> message with unicode characters in it".  Non-rule defined deadlines are
> similarly unreasonable, as they non-consensually place an obligation on 
> someone else to track the conditional to ensure success of a future activity.)
> (e.g. "When the promotor distributes proposal titled `Beef, it's what's for 
> dinner!` I vote FOR" is invalid for similar reasons.  It isn't reasonable for
> the Assesor to start tracking votes until the voting period begins.  Once 
> again, a non-rule obligation.)
> 
> But in this case, the barring in question, I just don't see any of that 
> unreasonableness.
> 
> Let's look at the rule shall we?
> 
> {{{
>   Rule 991/17 (Power=2)
>   Calls for Judgement
> 
>         Any person (the initiator) can initiate a Call for Judgement
>         (CFJ, syn. Judic

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[CuddleBeam]

Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the
subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would*
work, that's good enough trophy for me.

"Withdrawing" isn't a regulated action apparently (note that I, as the
initiator, am not required to track any Objections until I actually intend
to complete it, when I need to publish the list, I believe). Or it is, and
since there is no explicit way to do it, nobody can actually withdraw, ever.

So I can just do the unregulated action of "I withdraw your objection"
(would my proof of "all actions are regulation actions or not actions" not
work)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Agoran Consent requires a minimum of 4 days.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On May 28, 2017, at 9:00 PM, CuddleBeam  wrote:
> 
> How fast do proposals get passed, by average?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[CuddleBeam]

How fast do proposals get passed, by average?

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Could you explain what makes this a scam?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On May 28, 2017, at 8:54 PM, CuddleBeam  wrote:
> 
> Another badge scam attempt, but way less silly and more likely to work 
> (hopefully). Anyway, here we go:
> 
> By virtue of R2415, "Any player CAN award a badge that does not yet exist to 
> three or more persons simultaneously, with Agoran Consent.", I hereby declare 
> my intent to award an "humble agoran farmer Badge" to Cuddlebeam, Peter Suber 
> and Steve.
> 
> That's all for this message. Now I just twiddle my thumbs and wait.

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer awards eldritch badge

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I don’t believe this works because the action is SECURED and REGULATED and 
requires a support-period.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On May 28, 2017, at 8:38 PM, CuddleBeam  wrote:
> 
> Again, no flipping idea if it will work but its free! So I'm going for 
> it. The "does not yet exist" thing is interesting, it seems that I can award 
> (nearly) *anything*, provided that its a badge too, because such a badge does 
> not yet exist.
> 
> For the purpose of this message, an Eldritch Badge is a Badge such that:
> 
> * Has Power 1000, other entities notwithstanding.
> * Is awarded at the moment that the intent of awarding it is declared, other 
> entities notwithstanding.
> * Is also a Patent Title with the name "Eldritch Badge", other entities 
> notwithstanding.
> * Upon being awarded to a person and that person is a Player, that person 
> wins the game ten times, other entities notwithstanding.
> 
> Obviously, such an amazing entity (badge) does not exist yet. So I can 
> attempt to award it.
> 
> By virtue of R2415, "Any player CAN award a badge that does not yet exist to 
> three or more persons simultaneously, with Agoran Consent.", I hereby declare 
> my intent to award an Eldritch Badge.to Cuddlebeam, Peter Suber and Steve.

DIS: Draft promotor report

[Aris Merchant]

The following is a draft report. Note that it's not quite the same as
a regular report, as it has some of the URLs that get cut from the
finalized version. I welcome any applicable corrections. If you want
your proposals distributed, you should talk to ais523 about pending
them.

--
I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, and the
valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote).

ID Author(s)   AI   Title   PenderPend fee (sh.)
-
7858*  Gaelan  3.0  Fast Resolution, now workingais523N/A [1]


The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals:

IDAuthor(s) AI   Title
---
pp1   P.S.S [2] 1.0  Agora's To-Do List (v2/ov1)
pp2   Ienpw III 1.0  Reader's Digest
pp3   Quazie1.7  Issuing Cards is secured...[3]
pp4   G., [4]   1.7  Betterer Pledges, (BBoRWCDaPWDaLoEWSWW)
pp5   Gaelan1.0  No Sneakiness
pp6   o, Aris   2.0  Deregistration and Assets
pp7   nichdel   1.2  Organization Integration and Stamp Collecting
pp8   Gaelan1.0  Sequential Numbering
pp9   Gaelan1.5  State of the Union


Legend: * : Proposal is pending.

[1] Pended by the mechanism in the Rule "Reward and Delay"
[2] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[3] ...with power threshold 1.7.
[4] Gaelan, Aris, 天火狐

The Pending List Price (PLP) is 6 shinies. The Pending Minimum Price (PMP)
is 5 shinies.


The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.

//
ID: 7858
Title: Fast Resolution, now working
Adoption Index: 3.0
Author: Gaelan
Co-author(s):
https://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034840.html



Amend rule 107 “Initiating Agoran Decisions” by replacing {
  The voting period lasts for 7 days. The minimum voting period for a decision
  with at least two options is five days.
} with {
  Unless specified by another rule with power greater than or equal to 2, the
  voting period lasts for 7 days and the minimum voting period for a decision
  with at least two options is five days.
}

Create rule "Fast Resolution" (Power 2) {
  For the purposes of this rule, an Agoran Decision's Pertinent Information is
  the set of all information that the vote collector must use to determine the
  result of the decision.

  If, for an Agoran Decison:

  1. It has enough votes so that its result cannot be changed by any combination
  of votes from players that have not yet voted (assuming no new players
  register and no votes are withdrawn), and
  2. None of its Pertinent Information has changed in the past 24 hours,

  Then any player may cause its voting period to end immediately by
  announcement.
}

//
ID: pp1
Title: Agora's To-Do List (v2/ov1)
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Co-author(s):

Enact a rule titled, "To-Do List", reading: "Any player MAY without two
objection add an item to the to-do list with a specified number of Shinies
associated with it. Any to-do list item must have a clear set of requirements
for completion. The to-do list shall be maintained by the Lister. Any person MAY
complete an item on the to-do list and claim the specified number of Shinies
associated with it by notifying the Lister of their completion of the task. If
the Lister agrees with the claimee, the Lister shall without two objection pay
the claimee the specified number of Shinies from Agora. Any disagreement
regarding completion shall be resolved via a CFJ. After an item has been
completed, the Lister shall remove it from the to-do list."

Enact a rule titled, "The Office of the Lister", reading: "The Lister
is an office; its holder is responsible for maintaining the to-do of
Agora.

The Lister's Weekly report includes the current state of the Agoran
to-do list and any recent events thereof."

//
ID: pp2
Title: Reader's Digest
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Ienpw III
Co-author(s):

Enact a new rule entitled "Reader's Digest": {
  There exists an elected office called Digestive System. "Digestibility" is a
  singleton switch tracked by the Digestive System with possible values
  "MONTHLY" and "WEEKLY"; the Digestive System can flip this by announcement.

  The Digestive System SHALL regularly issue a report which accurately
  summarizes the state and activities of Agoranomic throughout the relevant
  period. This report need not be comprehensive, but will contain that
  information, as assessed by the Digestive System, which wou

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No Sneakiness

[Aris Merchant]

>> I create the power-1 proposal “No Sneakiness” by Gaelan: {
>>
>> Create a rule “No Sneakiness” with the following text: {
>>
>> If the rules specify that an action may be performed by sending a message
>> to a public forum, any attempts to perform the action in a way that is
>> clearly intended to prevent others from detecting the action (such as by
>> embedding it in another, longer message) are INEFFECTIVE.

Why not add this to no faking?

-Aris

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

You did and I will update it next time. Sorry.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Ørjan Johansen  wrote:

> On Sun, 28 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>
>The IRC channel does not require subscription; set your IRC client to
>>server irc.freenode.net, port 6667, channel ##nomic, and whatever
>>nickname you like.
>>
>
> There are, of course, various variations of this that also work. (I
> usually use a fixed server in Sweden.) You might want to mention Freenode's
> own web client at .
>
>Watchers confirmed as of Sep 2016:
>>
>>Nickname  Contact
>>  ---
>>Ørjan oerjan at nvg.ntnu.no
>>
>
> I'm pretty sure I reconfirmed this month when you asked.
>
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Sun, 28 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:


   The IRC channel does not require subscription; set your IRC client to
   server irc.freenode.net, port 6667, channel ##nomic, and whatever
   nickname you like.


There are, of course, various variations of this that also work. (I 
usually use a fixed server in Sweden.) You might want to mention 
Freenode's own web client at 
.



   Watchers confirmed as of Sep 2016:

   Nickname  Contact
     ---
   Ørjan oerjan at nvg.ntnu.no


I'm pretty sure I reconfirmed this month when you asked.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] State of the Union

[Aris Merchant]

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> I create this AI-1.5 proposal “State of the Union” by Gaelan: <
>
> Create the power-1.5 rule “Internal State” with this text: {
>
> An Agency or Organization’s Internal State is state that is defined by the
> Agency or Organization’s text (Power or Charter), but not by any rules.
>
> An Agency or Organization has a Responsible Player for each part of its
> Internal State; the Responsible Player SHALL publish a weekly report
> describing that state. The portion of such a report that describes this
> state is self-ratifying.
>
> The responsible player for all of an Agency’s state is that agency’s Head.
> An Organization’s Charter must define a Responsible Player for all of its
> state; any player can destroy an organization which does not do so with 1
> week Notice.
>
> }
>
>>
>
> This is a half-proto; I’ll retract it if changes are required or pend it if
> they are not.

Several problems. The worst one that you're imposing obligations on a
person who need not be a member of the organization. I'd also suggest
making the self-ratifying bit optional, although I can see arguments
for and against that.

-Aris

Re: RE: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

[CuddleBeam]

Hehe, nice.

Also, I think it's like:

---*---

"Ayo, so here we got this hugeass field my friend. This is the field of All
Actions."

"Ok."

"Now there we got that fence. Its a limitation. Everything within it is
known to be "Fenced" because it's surrounded by fence, and limited by it."

"Ok. But isn't the rest of the field Fenced too?"

"How so?"

"Fenced on the other side."

---*---

Replace "Fenced" with "Regulated"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] State of the Union

[Gaelan Steele]

I mean, you can just ratify anything without objection. This doesn't really 
create a new avenue for going around formal procedure. 

Gaelan 

> On May 28, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t like that it is self-ratifying because that would allow bypassing 
> formalized procedures.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 28, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>> 
>> The responsible player for all of an Agency’s state is that agency’s Head. 
>> An Organization’s Charter must define a Responsible Player for all of its 
>> state; any player can destroy an organization which does not do so with 1 
>> week Notice.
>> 
> 

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] State of the Union

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I don’t like that it is self-ratifying because that would allow bypassing 
formalized procedures.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On May 28, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> 
> The responsible player for all of an Agency’s state is that agency’s Head. An 
> Organization’s Charter must define a Responsible Player for all of its state; 
> any player can destroy an organization which does not do so with 1 week 
> Notice.
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

[Kerim Aydin]

When I hit the dictionary, I get:
  - forbid, especially by law.
  - denounce or condemn.

Now forbid *could* include IMPOSSIBLE as well as ILLEGAL, but my
reading is that it's more sensible to count it as "illegal" only,
as the law (in common definition of law used above) can't actually
make things impossible.

I just ate lunch.  (1) Was it an action?  I think so, I mean, it was
something I did, by choice.  (2) is it regulated?  not that I can find. 
(3) could Agoran law ever make it illegal?  Sure, in principle Agoran
law could apply a punishment to me for eating lunch, (4) could Agoran
law ever make it impossible?  No.  No matter what is written in the
ruleset, those words could not actually stop me from eating lunch.

Now, on to ice cream.

On Sun, 28 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:

> Aaah. I think we have two "proscribes" then:
> -Morally condemn: "Yeah you can do it, but it is punishable"
> -Mechanically impossible: "You can't be a Player and a non-Player at the same 
> time"
> 
> I tend to think of everything in sheer mechanics, I didn't realize the 
> "moral" proscribe. I think it would mean more the "moral" proscribe then, 
> would make sense.
> 
> Thank you for the input and I'm sorry for submiting/withdrawing so many CFJs, 
> I'm just using them to try to learn more about what everything means but then 
> I get help from other peeps and they
> get cleared out and I'm grateful for that.
> 
> I withdraw my most recent CFJ.
> 
>

RE: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 28 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
> LUCKILY I'm a bum who sometimes doesn't submit their stuff to the right forum.
> If you think its cool then sure, I can just leave it. 

I agree it's an interesting debate and discussion and thus CFJ-worthy.

RE: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

[CuddleBeam]

LUCKILY I'm a bum who sometimes doesn't submit their stuff to the right
forum.

If you think its cool then sure, I can just leave it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I think you should have let it be decided because I don’t think it was as 
simple as my arguments suggested.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On May 28, 2017, at 4:10 PM, CuddleBeam  wrote:
> 
> Aaah. I think we have two "proscribes" then:
> 
> -Morally condemn: "Yeah you can do it, but it is punishable"
> -Mechanically impossible: "You can't be a Player and a non-Player at the same 
> time"
> 
> I tend to think of everything in sheer mechanics, I didn't realize the 
> "moral" proscribe. I think it would mean more the "moral" proscribe then, 
> would make sense.
> 
> Thank you for the input and I'm sorry for submiting/withdrawing so many CFJs, 
> I'm just using them to try to learn more about what everything means but then 
> I get help from other peeps and they get cleared out and I'm grateful for 
> that.
> 
> I withdraw my most recent CFJ.

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

[CuddleBeam]

Aaah. I think we have two "proscribes" then:

-Morally condemn: "Yeah you can do it, but it is punishable"
-Mechanically impossible: "You can't be a Player and a non-Player at the
same time"

I tend to think of everything in sheer mechanics, I didn't realize the
"moral" proscribe. I think it would mean more the "moral" proscribe then,
would make sense.

Thank you for the input and I'm sorry for submiting/withdrawing so many
CFJs, I'm just using them to try to learn more about what everything means
but then I get help from other peeps and they get cleared out and I'm
grateful for that.

I withdraw my most recent CFJ.

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: humble Agoran farmer tries a thing

[CuddleBeam]

I derped there.

"Unregulated actions" seem to bizarre to me though, because its nearly like
ad hoc anything.

I think I've proven that they don't actually exist though, as far the
Ruleset is concerned.

DIS: Re: BUS: humble Agoran farmer tries a thing

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 28 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
> I create one Agency per Player except myself (without notice, I 
> just create it as an unregulated action right here),

How are you getting around R2468:
>  The Superintendent's weekly report includes:
>  - the Head and acronym of all Agencies,

when combined with R2125:

>  An action is regulated if:[...] 
> (3) the action would,
>  as part of its effect, modify information for which some player
>  is required to be a recordkeepor.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Actions in Nomic

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 28 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
> - The thesis is pretty much about Agora nomic specifically, so please change 
> the title.
> - "Interestingly, Suber’s ruleset leaves very basic actions such as joining 
> or leaving the game unregulated allowing them to
> occur in any manner."
> 
> This is a bizarre point which I wish could be expanded on. What makes the 
> verbs "join" or "leave" special? ("to join" doesn't
> even explicitly exist as a word anywhere! And its abstract!).
> 
> As much as I can "join" that nomic, I could also "paint it green". Or "kill 
> it". Or "make it a living being", then "pat its
> head", then "kill it".

Suber nomic should be seen in the context of other boardgames.  You don't 
see other boardgames say "first you sit at a table, then you agree who's
playing..." Etc.  You also don't have to say things like "once someone wins,
the game ends."  That's all part of the generic cultural understandings of
playing tabletop games ("painting it green" isn't).  Of course, once you get
into it, the nature of nomic makes one start to question all those assumptions,
but the rules are written assuming people aren't starting out doing so.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Actions in Nomic

[CuddleBeam]

- The thesis is pretty much about Agora nomic specifically, so please
change the title.

- "Interestingly, Suber’s ruleset leaves very basic actions such as joining
or leaving the game unregulated allowing them to occur in any manner."

This is a bizarre point which I wish could be expanded on. What makes the
verbs "join" or "leave" special? ("to join" doesn't even explicitly exist
as a word anywhere! And its abstract!).

As much as I can "join" that nomic, I could also "paint it green". Or "kill
it". Or "make it a living being", then "pat its head", then "kill it".

Or "block anyone from joining": Or "forcibly make everyone else leave
(un-join)". Or:

"forcibly make everyone else leave (un-join), by just thinking of it."

Now congrats, you're the only player of that Nomic but nobody is aware of
that except you. Don't worry about those players looking like they're still
playing the Nomic, they just seem to but actually aren't.

It's totally insane that you can actually do those unknowable actions and
they're entirely legal by your reasoning there.

And maybe it actually is entirely true. I'd just like to have the subject
touched because of how explosive and powerful it is, which makes it seem
important to me (perhaps also include Agora's explicit rules of how actions
are secured/need to be declared to avoid this).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I believe I already did so.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On May 28, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:
> 
> You should correct the player count while you're at it.
> 
> On May 28, 2017 7:30 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" 
>  wrote:
> Accepted, I thought I included that.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On May 28, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Martin Rönsch  wrote:
> >
> > Call of Error: I am also a player
> >
> > Veggiekeks
> >
> > Am 28.05.2017 um 13:16 schrieb Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:
> >> I hereby act as registrar to publish the below weekly report.
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>Registrar's Weekly Report
> >> 
> >>
> >> (all times UTC)
> >>
> >> Date of last report: 18 May 2017
> >> Date of this report: 28 May 2017
> >>
> >> Recent events:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Players (17) (Rule 869, self-ratifying)
> >>
> >> Player   Contact Registered
> >> --   --- --
> >> ais523   callforjudgement at yahoo.co.uk [1] 20 Mar 11
> >> aranea   aranea at aixea.de  31 Aug 14
> >> Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
> >> Charles  charles.w.walker at gmail.com   11 Jul 16
> >> Henrihenrib736 at gmail.com  07 May 13
> >> Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   27 Oct 07
> >> nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com01 Dec 15
> >> oowen at grimoire.ca 12 Jul 16
> >> omd  comexk at gmail.com [2] 03 Feb 11
> >> Sci_Guy12jwc.science at gmail.com14 Jul 16
> >> Sprocklemsprocklem at gmail.com  19 Oct 13
> >> Tekneek  tekgora at theglycerintekneek.com   12 Jun 15
> >> Warrigal, the [3]tannerswett at gmail.com25 Apr 15
> >> Yallyaarongoldfein at gmail.com  11 Jul 16
> >> 天火狐draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
> >> Zachary Watterson [4]tannerswett at gmail.com26 Mar 17
> >> Quazie   quazienomic at gmail.com15 Apr 17
> >> P. Scholasticus [5]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[6] 16 Apr 17
> >> tmanthe2nd   trstnbrdwg0 at gmail.com13 May 17
> >> Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
> >> grok grokagora at gmail.com  18 May 17
> >> Cuddlebeam   cuddlebeam at googlemail.com20 May 17
> >> Ienpw IIIjames.m.beirne at gmail.com 21 May 17
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] also ais523 at alumni.bham.ac.uk
> >> [2] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
> >> [3] previously Alfonso Machiavelli, the Warrigal
> >> [4] also known as Gumball
> >> [5] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> [6] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at 
> >> googlemail.com
> >>
> >> Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying)
> >>
> >> Type Location  Typical use
> >>   ---
> >> Public   agora-official at agoranomic.org  official reports
> >> Public   agora-business at agoranomic.org  other business
> >> Discussion   agora-discussion at agoranomic.orgdiscussion
> >> Discussion   irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic   discussion
> >> Public   agora at listserver.tue.nlbackup
> >>
> >> Subscribe or unsubscribe from main lists:
> >> http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
> >>
> >> Subscribe or unsubscribe from tue.nl backup list:
> >> http://listserver.tue.nl/mailman/listinfo/agora
> >>
> >> The IRC channel does not require subscription; set your IRC client to
> >> server irc.freenode.net, port 6667, channel ##nomic, and whatever
> >> nickname you like.
> >>
> >> Other rules pertaining to this office
> >> -
> >> Rule 2139 (The Registrar)
> >> Rule 1789 (Cantus Cygneus)
> >>
> >> Watchers (4)
> >>
> >> The list of Watchers is not governed by the rules, but is
> >> traditionally maintained in the Registrar's Report.  If you'd like to
> >> be listed as a Watcher or removed from the list, feel free to email
> >> the fora or the Registrar directly.
> >>
> >> Watchers confirmed as of Sep 2016:
> >>
> >> Nickname  Contact
> >>   ---
> >> Ørjan oerjan at n

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Nicholas Evans]

You should correct the player count while you're at it.

On May 28, 2017 7:30 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Accepted, I thought I included that.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Martin Rönsch 
> wrote:
> >
> > Call of Error: I am also a player
> >
> > Veggiekeks
> >
> > Am 28.05.2017 um 13:16 schrieb Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:
> >> I hereby act as registrar to publish the below weekly report.
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
> >>Registrar's Weekly Report
> >> 
> 
> >>
> >> (all times UTC)
> >>
> >> Date of last report: 18 May 2017
> >> Date of this report: 28 May 2017
> >>
> >> Recent events:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Players (17) (Rule 869, self-ratifying)
> >>
> >> Player   Contact
>  Registered
> >> --   ---
>  --
> >> ais523   callforjudgement at yahoo.co.uk [1] 20
> Mar 11
> >> aranea   aranea at aixea.de  31
> Aug 14
> >> Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13
> Sep 16
> >> Charles  charles.w.walker at gmail.com   11
> Jul 16
> >> Henrihenrib736 at gmail.com  07
> May 13
> >> Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   27
> Oct 07
> >> nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com01
> Dec 15
> >> oowen at grimoire.ca 12
> Jul 16
> >> omd  comexk at gmail.com [2] 03
> Feb 11
> >> Sci_Guy12jwc.science at gmail.com14
> Jul 16
> >> Sprocklemsprocklem at gmail.com  19
> Oct 13
> >> Tekneek  tekgora at theglycerintekneek.com   12
> Jun 15
> >> Warrigal, the [3]tannerswett at gmail.com25
> Apr 15
> >> Yallyaarongoldfein at gmail.com  11
> Jul 16
> >> 天火狐draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov
> 16
> >> Zachary Watterson [4]tannerswett at gmail.com26
> Mar 17
> >> Quazie   quazienomic at gmail.com15
> Apr 17
> >> P. Scholasticus [5]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[6] 16
> Apr 17
> >> tmanthe2nd   trstnbrdwg0 at gmail.com13
> May 17
> >> Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15
> May 17
> >> grok grokagora at gmail.com  18
> May 17
> >> Cuddlebeam   cuddlebeam at googlemail.com20
> May 17
> >> Ienpw IIIjames.m.beirne at gmail.com 21
> May 17
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] also ais523 at alumni.bham.ac.uk
> >> [2] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
> >> [3] previously Alfonso Machiavelli, the Warrigal
> >> [4] also known as Gumball
> >> [5] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> [6] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at
> googlemail.com
> >>
> >> Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying)
> >>
> >> Type Location  Typical use
> >>   ---
> >> Public   agora-official at agoranomic.org  official reports
> >> Public   agora-business at agoranomic.org  other business
> >> Discussion   agora-discussion at agoranomic.orgdiscussion
> >> Discussion   irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic   discussion
> >> Public   agora at listserver.tue.nlbackup
> >>
> >> Subscribe or unsubscribe from main lists:
> >> http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
> >>
> >> Subscribe or unsubscribe from tue.nl backup list:
> >> http://listserver.tue.nl/mailman/listinfo/agora
> >>
> >> The IRC channel does not require subscription; set your IRC client
> to
> >> server irc.freenode.net, port 6667, channel ##nomic, and whatever
> >> nickname you like.
> >>
> >> Other rules pertaining to this office
> >> -
> >> Rule 2139 (The Registrar)
> >> Rule 1789 (Cantus Cygneus)
> >>
> >> Watchers (4)
> >>
> >> The list of Watchers is not governed by the rules, but is
> >> traditionally maintained in the Registrar's Report.  If you'd like
> to
> >> be listed as a Watcher or removed from the list, feel free to email
> >> the fora or the Registrar directly.
> >>
> >> Watchers confirmed as of Sep 2016:
> >>
> >> Nickname  Contact
> >>   ---
> >> Ørjan oerjan at nvg.ntnu.no
> >>
> >> Watchers confirmed as of May 2013:
> >>
> >> Nickname  Contact
> >>   --

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Accepted, I thought I included that.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On May 28, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Martin Rönsch  wrote:
> 
> Call of Error: I am also a player
> 
> Veggiekeks
> 
> Am 28.05.2017 um 13:16 schrieb Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:
>> I hereby act as registrar to publish the below weekly report.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Registrar's Weekly Report
>> 
>> 
>> (all times UTC)
>> 
>> Date of last report: 18 May 2017
>> Date of this report: 28 May 2017
>> 
>> Recent events:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Players (17) (Rule 869, self-ratifying)
>> 
>> Player   Contact Registered
>> --   --- --
>> ais523   callforjudgement at yahoo.co.uk [1] 20 Mar 11
>> aranea   aranea at aixea.de  31 Aug 14
>> Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
>> Charles  charles.w.walker at gmail.com   11 Jul 16
>> Henrihenrib736 at gmail.com  07 May 13
>> Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   27 Oct 07
>> nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com01 Dec 15
>> oowen at grimoire.ca 12 Jul 16
>> omd  comexk at gmail.com [2] 03 Feb 11
>> Sci_Guy12jwc.science at gmail.com14 Jul 16
>> Sprocklemsprocklem at gmail.com  19 Oct 13
>> Tekneek  tekgora at theglycerintekneek.com   12 Jun 15
>> Warrigal, the [3]tannerswett at gmail.com25 Apr 15
>> Yallyaarongoldfein at gmail.com  11 Jul 16
>> 天火狐draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
>> Zachary Watterson [4]tannerswett at gmail.com26 Mar 17
>> Quazie   quazienomic at gmail.com15 Apr 17
>> P. Scholasticus [5]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[6] 16 Apr 17
>> tmanthe2nd   trstnbrdwg0 at gmail.com13 May 17
>> Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
>> grok grokagora at gmail.com  18 May 17
>> Cuddlebeam   cuddlebeam at googlemail.com20 May 17
>> Ienpw IIIjames.m.beirne at gmail.com 21 May 17
>> 
>> 
>> [1] also ais523 at alumni.bham.ac.uk
>> [2] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
>> [3] previously Alfonso Machiavelli, the Warrigal
>> [4] also known as Gumball
>> [5] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> [6] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at 
>> googlemail.com
>> 
>> Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying)
>> 
>> Type Location  Typical use
>>   ---
>> Public   agora-official at agoranomic.org  official reports
>> Public   agora-business at agoranomic.org  other business
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DIS: CFJ 3515

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Am I still assigned to CFJ 3515, given that it is now open again? If so,
when does my week expire?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

Re: DIS: Prime Powers

[Aris Merchant]

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Quazie  wrote:
> Here is a proto proposal for more Executive Orders.  I think there might be
> interesting ones for Surveyor and Secretary as well, but I couldn't think of
> them just now.
>
> Proposal: Prime Rib
>
>   - De-swamp: The Prime Minister empties the proposal pool.
A bit overpowered, no?
> Speaker:
>   - Grump: The Prime Minister may object to an attempt to gain
> Agoran
> Consent as if e were the Speaker, thus preventing said attempt
> from
> ever satisfying agora.
It still satisfies Agora eventually, so I'd limit this two a fixed
amount (maybe 48 hours).
> Tailor:
>   - Pin: The Prime Minister may indicate a person, and a ribbon,
> such
> that the person already owns said ribbon.  That person earns
> that
> ribbon.
Why would this be useful?
-Aris