DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal, Petition] Fee-based method fix
As di U. > On Jul 29, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business > wrote: > > On 7/29/20 8:44 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business < >> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> I submit the following proposal and petition the H. Promotor to attempt >>> to pend it with 2 support: >>> >>> Title: Fee-based de-escalation >> >> [I asked Jason to explain the bug on Discord. Apparently there's a power >> escalation that allows a rule of any power to make an action performed with >> a fee of 0, causing the fee-based actions rule to provide a method to do it >> by announcement at power 3.0.] >> >> My response to the petition: >> For N from 2 to 5, I intend with N support to pend the proposal submitted >> in the quote above. > > > I support each such intent. > > -- > Jason Cobb >
DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Correction of Resolution of Proposals "Superpowers" and "for added confusion"
The stated vote totals were as follows: “for added confusion” 2 FOR — 4 AGAINST “Superpowers” 4 FOR — 2 AGAINST These were incorrect; they should have been the following: “for added confusion” 3 FOR — 4 AGAINST “Superpowers” 4 FOR — 3 AGAINST -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution of Fall 1905 (twice revised) and BT2 Removal of Falsifian
On 7/29/20 1:16 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > at 8:01 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official > wrote: > >> A Den H ** > [..] >> ** These orders failed. Turkey's F Rum retreats to BLA after being >> dislodged. > I don’t think this order failed? > > Anyway, despite being eliminated, I intend to continue updating my maps, > and have done so for this turn: > > https://agoranomic.org/omd-diplonomic-2020-maps/ Thanks for continuing - these are extremely helpful. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:28 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > I support this. > > On reading the judgement, I'm quite amused, but left a bit dissatisfied. > In particular, I don't see how this is different than other contract > clauses that "affirm consent" via an elongated process (e.g. with Notice > or whatnot). The main difference is the final trigger is the passage of a > deadline. But that deadline is also public information. If a public > clause read "If noone objects to a change within X, it automatically takes > effect", it's not clear to me that this would be blocked, as all the > information is publicly available even if the deadline passes silently. It might work for amendments, which only require consent. But here you have to "publicly make an agreement", and I can't see how the agreement is made "in a public message" if it takes effect automatically after the message is complete? It strikes me as being more akin to "I transfer G. 5 coins in 5 minutes". -Aris
DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution of Fall 1905 (twice revised) and BT2 Removal of Falsifian
at 8:01 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: A Den H ** [..] ** These orders failed. Turkey's F Rum retreats to BLA after being dislodged. I don’t think this order failed? Anyway, despite being eliminated, I intend to continue updating my maps, and have done so for this turn: https://agoranomic.org/omd-diplonomic-2020-maps/
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution of Fall 1905 (revised)
On 7/29/20 10:59 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/29/20 10:51 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official > wrote: >> Changes in supply centers are as follows: >> >> Austria +Ank >> -Bul >> +Smy > > > I think the Ghost fleet should be disbanded now that Austria controls > all of Turkey's home SCs. > That's correct; I'm sorry about these errors; I'll get another revision. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution of Fall 1905 (revised)
On 7/29/20 10:51 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: > Changes in supply centers are as follows: > > Austria +Ank > -Bul > +Smy I think the Ghost fleet should be disbanded now that Austria controls all of Turkey's home SCs. -- Jason Cobb
DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
On 7/29/2020 4:06 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I motion to reconsider. This fails; group-filing a Motion to Reconsider is a 2-support dependent action. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution of Fall 1905 and BT2 Removal of omd
On 7/29/20 10:28 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 7/29/2020 7:21 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> ItalyA Bul S Sev - Rum** >> Russia F Sev - Rum ** >> Turkey F Rum - Bul ** >> 20. A unit moves with its own strength combined with all of its valid >> supports. Support is cut if the unit giving support is attacked from any >> province except the one where support is being given or if the unit >> giving support is dislodged. > > Doesn't the "except" clause mean that Bul's support is not cut and the > move here succeeds? (that's standard dip interpretation). > > -G. > Oh, I read it as being that the support is given to the place from which it is moving, but your interpretation makes more sense; hold on. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution of Fall 1905 and BT2 Removal of omd
On 7/29/2020 7:21 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > ItalyA Bul S Sev - Rum** > Russia F Sev - Rum ** > Turkey F Rum - Bul ** > 20. A unit moves with its own strength combined with all of its valid > supports. Support is cut if the unit giving support is attacked from any > province except the one where support is being given or if the unit > giving support is dislodged. Doesn't the "except" clause mean that Bul's support is not cut and the move here succeeds? (that's standard dip interpretation). -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
On 7/29/20 7:50 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > Difficult, yes, but formally IMPOSSIBLE? Something something regulated actions. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: humble agoran farmer becomes a bodybuilder [Proto stuff]
On 7/29/2020 1:35 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > I’m not entirely familiar with the CfJ background concerning this aside > from the possible issue (that this aims to sidestep) of that you can’t do > an unlimited amount of actions if it would be “unreasonable” for a human to > be able to do them in the tradition by-hand method of doing things. > > I aim to dodge that issue entirely by not taking an unlimited amount of > actions, but by defining a new kind of action - which has a MASSIVE effect, > but still, it is just one action - and doing that single action once. > > This probably hilariously fails for some reason, because it seems like the > kind of stuff that would be covered already, but I’d like to go for it > anyways because I don’t feel like studying the thousands of CfJ precedents > and regardless, I have some faith! I have to believe in myself, anime > taught me that. > > I create the following contract called “Big Brute”: > > ---*--- > > Cuddlebeam is the sole party to this contract. Cuddlebeam consents and > agrees to the effects described here. > > Cuddlebeam CAN do a BIG STRONK of STRONKNESS N by announcement, which is an > action defined by the following: > > The BIG STRONK will generate some amount of Contracts. The list of the > Contracts generated is found via the following: > > Be BICEPS the cypher that converts numbers to symbols defined by the > following: > > 0: “.” > > 1 to 26: “a” to “z” (the English alphabet) > > For each number in base 27 from 0 to N, convert it via BICEPS. If that > string meets all of the following conditions, it is then the text of a > Contract that is part of the list: > > >- > >It makes sense in English in its entirety. >- > >Cuddlebeam CAN destroy it by announcement at any moment, without any >conditions or limitations. >- > >It doesn’t limit Cuddlebeam’s ability to destroy Contracts in any way. >- > >It doesn’t ossify Agora. > > > > ---*--- > > I do a BIG STRONK of STRONKNESS a googleplex. > > I then destroy all of the contracts created by that BIG STRONK. > > Now is when I jazzhands and try to argue that I Won Agora somehow. > This sort of thing is generally covered by some of CFJ 1460's examples of "unreasonable effort" (e.g. the "Michael and Kelly" example): https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?1460 while noting contracts are generally under the same standards for clarity of communication as announcements: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3761 -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
Difficult, yes, but formally IMPOSSIBLE? On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM ais523 via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, 2020-07-29 at 10:06 +0200, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > > I motion to reconsider. The "A public message, after all, is evaluated > only > > once, and does not continue taking effect thereafter" thing seems weird > to > > me, considering that we can do deadlines for things. Or maybe deadlines > > just don't work at all! Which would be amusing as well. > > > > For example "This contract is OPEN before July 1, and CLOSED after it." > > > > It would be weird that such a contract would be OPEN forever, but that is > > what this Judgement seems to imply, that mechanisms "in the background" > > can't happen, because they're not being evaluated by a message. That, or > > the reproduction still works, and my CfJ referring to these reproducing > > contracts did set this Schr??ninger's Box to the state it was written to > be > > in. > > Gratuitous: the "OPEN" / "CLOSED" example works because it changes only > contract-defined gamestate, not something tracked by the rules of Agora > themselves. It could easily be interpreted as a shorthand definition: > "This contract is OPEN" means "The date is before July 1". > > Changing officer-tracked information is much more difficult. > > -- > ais523 > >
DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let's Award an A.N.A. to Aris
On 7/29/20 2:41 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:04 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 7/28/2020 2:29 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >>> On 2020-07-27 10:46, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business >>> wrote: I certify that the peer review process has occurred and intend, with 2 Agoran consent, to award Aris the degree of Associate of Nomic Artistry. >>> >>> I support. >>> >> >> I support. >> >> I object > I think an explanation of this objection would be in order. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: humble agoran farmer becomes a bodybuilder [Proto stuff]
I’m not entirely familiar with the CfJ background concerning this aside from the possible issue (that this aims to sidestep) of that you can’t do an unlimited amount of actions if it would be “unreasonable” for a human to be able to do them in the tradition by-hand method of doing things. I aim to dodge that issue entirely by not taking an unlimited amount of actions, but by defining a new kind of action - which has a MASSIVE effect, but still, it is just one action - and doing that single action once. This probably hilariously fails for some reason, because it seems like the kind of stuff that would be covered already, but I’d like to go for it anyways because I don’t feel like studying the thousands of CfJ precedents and regardless, I have some faith! I have to believe in myself, anime taught me that. I create the following contract called “Big Brute”: ---*--- Cuddlebeam is the sole party to this contract. Cuddlebeam consents and agrees to the effects described here. Cuddlebeam CAN do a BIG STRONK of STRONKNESS N by announcement, which is an action defined by the following: The BIG STRONK will generate some amount of Contracts. The list of the Contracts generated is found via the following: Be BICEPS the cypher that converts numbers to symbols defined by the following: 0: “.” 1 to 26: “a” to “z” (the English alphabet) For each number in base 27 from 0 to N, convert it via BICEPS. If that string meets all of the following conditions, it is then the text of a Contract that is part of the list: - It makes sense in English in its entirety. - Cuddlebeam CAN destroy it by announcement at any moment, without any conditions or limitations. - It doesn’t limit Cuddlebeam’s ability to destroy Contracts in any way. - It doesn’t ossify Agora. ---*--- I do a BIG STRONK of STRONKNESS a googleplex. I then destroy all of the contracts created by that BIG STRONK. Now is when I jazzhands and try to argue that I Won Agora somehow.
