Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Simple Stamp Agreement @Notary
I appreciate it On Monday, March 27, 2023, nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/27/23 20:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > >> I immediately regret this, seeing how common ais523 stamps are. >> > > I transfer an ais523 stamp to Yachay. Maybe 2 for 1 is a better deal. > > -- > nix > Prime Minister, Herald, Collector > >
DIS: Re: BUS: A Simple Stamp Agreement @Notary
I immediately regret this, seeing how common ais523 stamps are.
On Monday, March 27, 2023, Yachay Wayllukuq
wrote:
> I take one of those from the Library and cash it in.
>
> I transfer one Yachay stamp to nix
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023, nix via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> Three times, I create a promise with the following text and transfer it
>> to the library:
>>
>> {
>> Title: Simple Stamp Trade
>> Cashing Conditions: In the same message, the bearer transfers nix one
>> stamp e does not currently have. The bearer does not have more stamps than
>> nix.
>>
>> nix transfers 1 ais523 stamp to the bearer.
>> }
>>
>> --
>> nix
>> Prime Minister, Herald, Collector
>>
>>
Re: DIS: Re: [Herald, CFJ] Re: BUS: [??Ritual Master??] Fond Memories of what once was.
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 1:54 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion: > > > Secondly, is a repeated action the same as a conditional action? > > They function under roughly the same rules per precedent. Except - now that we've rule-codified conditionals, we have to ask "does this fall under the new rule text (as a conditional) or the previous precedent (as an issue of clarity)?" It may not make an interpretive difference now, but then again it might. For anything written in a pseudocode loop, we know that any computer that would execute the loop does through conditionals (e.g. "does N = the last loop value?") but a meta-look at the full code might see no conditionals. Anyway, slightly new territory to explore. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sacrilege
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 11:25 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion: > I withdraw this CFJ. > I respond to the CoE instead by accepting the error, > and letting all declared ritual numbers that had this as dependency fail. You may know this, but "accepting the error" does nothing as it is not actually an option under possible CoE responses. -G.
DIS: [proto] Effecting change
Draft:
Title: Effecting change
Author: Janet
Coauthors: ais523
Adoption index: 2.0
{
Amend Rule 1006 by replacing the final paragraph with the following:
{
Immediately after a proposal finishes taking effect, if one or more
offices exist that did not exist prior to the proposal taking effect,
each such office, if it is vacant, becomes held by the author of the
proposal.
}
Amend Rule 2657 by replacing each instance of "proposal that takes
effect" with "proposal that takes effect, at the instant it finishes
taking effect" and by replacing "Having an Agoran Birthday: X, where X
is the number of active players during eir birthday". with "Having an
Agoran Birthday, at the instant it begins: X, where X is the number of
active players at the instant the condition was fulfilled."
}
--
Janet Cobb
Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Asceticism
On 3/27/23 16:49, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> An Ascetic cannot gain Radiance. Once per week, an Ascetic can Meditate by >> announcement. Doing so grants them 1 Stamp of their own Type, plus 1 more >> if the current period they have been an Ascetic for is more than 1 month in >> length. > This is trickier. This current version fails due to precedence. A > continuous reset probably works better: "If an Ascetic's radiance > differs from what eir radiance was when e most recently became an > Ascetic, it is immediately set to that value." Oops, this should say "is greater than", not "differs". -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Re: DIS: Re: [Herald, CFJ] Re: BUS: [??Ritual Master??] Fond Memories of what once was.
On 3/27/23 16:48, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:43 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> CoE: the above failed because the declaration of the ritual number as 15 >> was invalid. >> >> CoE: the above failed because the conditional was not clearly specified >> (unreasonable effort to determine). >> >> -- >> Janet Cobb >> >> Assessor, Mad EE > > Firstly, I declared 15 twice more before this message. I somehow didn't read the first message in the thread, but I don't think those worked anyway. > Secondly, is a repeated action the same as a conditional action? They function under roughly the same rules per precedent. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Asceticism
On 3/27/23 11:53, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote:
> Title: Ascetics
> Adoption Index: 1.0
> Author: Yachay
> Co-Author(s):
>
> Enact the following rule:
Title of the rule? Not strictly necessary, just leaves the choice to me.
> {
> Players are Ascetics or not (this is their Asceticism Switch), defaulting
> to not, tracked by the Herald.
"Asceticism is a negative boolean person switch tracked by the Herald. A
player with an Asceticism of true is an Ascetic."
> A player can Toggle Asceticism by announcement, if they haven't in the last
> 30 days. This flips their Asceticism.
"A player CAN by announcement flip their Asceticism to a specified valid
value if e has not done so in the previous 30 days.". (Note uppercase
"CAN" and Spivak. I'd also prefer avoiding contractions in rules text
but I don't think that's a universal view.)
> An Ascetic cannot gain Radiance. Once per week, an Ascetic can Meditate by
> announcement. Doing so grants them 1 Stamp of their own Type, plus 1 more
> if the current period they have been an Ascetic for is more than 1 month in
> length.
This is trickier. This current version fails due to precedence. A
continuous reset probably works better: "If an Ascetic's radiance
differs from what eir radiance was when e most recently became an
Ascetic, it is immediately set to that value."
"Once per week, an Ascetic CAN Meditate by announcement. When e does so,
e gains 2 stamp of eir own type if e most recently became an Ascetic
more than 30 days ago; otherwise, e gains 1 stamp of eir own type."
--
Janet Cobb
Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: [Herald, CFJ] Re: BUS: [??Ritual Master??] Fond Memories of what once was.
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:43 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > CoE: the above failed because the declaration of the ritual number as 15 > was invalid. > > CoE: the above failed because the conditional was not clearly specified > (unreasonable effort to determine). > > -- > Janet Cobb > > Assessor, Mad EE Firstly, I declared 15 twice more before this message. Secondly, is a repeated action the same as a conditional action?
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Asceticism
On 3/27/23 10:53, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote:
I don't think it would be possible for me to earn Radiance faster than the
Radiance treadmill pushes me back, so earning Radiance feels empty to me. I
suggest an alternative way to play.
I submit the following Proposal:
Title: Ascetics
Adoption Index: 1.0
Author: Yachay
Co-Author(s):
Enact the following rule:
{
Players are Ascetics or not (this is their Asceticism Switch), defaulting
to not, tracked by the Herald.
A player can Toggle Asceticism by announcement, if they haven't in the last
30 days. This flips their Asceticism.
An Ascetic cannot gain Radiance. Once per week, an Ascetic can Meditate by
announcement. Doing so grants them 1 Stamp of their own Type, plus 1 more
if the current period they have been an Ascetic for is more than 1 month in
length.
}
Interesting idea! I dig it.
--
nix
Prime Minister, Herald, Collector
DIS: Re: [Herald, CFJ] Re: BUS: [??Ritual Master??] Fond Memories of what once was.
man. 27. mar. 2023 kl. 11:22 skrev juan via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>:
> Well…
>
> Forest Sweeney via agora-business [2023-03-27 08:56]:
> > Here are some interesting reports you should go and look at. What did
> these
> > offices do? What was in these reports? Some things have changed!
> >
> > In response to the Sun 24 Feb 2008 Conductor Report, I declare the ritual
> > number as 10.
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg01091.html
> >
> > […]
> >
> > In response to
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg06559.html
> > I declare the ritual number as 15.
> >
> > I'm done for now. I'll be back later until someone inevitably
> > doesn't like this and fixes the timeframes we can report on.
> > :) It's just 1 point and this is a lot of work to dig up :P
>
> For each natural number N from 16 to 41, I perform the following action:
>
> {
> In response to the Nth ritual act ever performed, I declare the ritual
> number to be N.
> }
>
> I have qualified players lift the First Speaker in a powerful dance
> around the fountain, thereby making it so all of em earn 1 radiance.
>
> I CFJ: "In this message, I had qualified players lift the First Speaker in
> a powerful dance
> around the fountain".
>
> Arguments FOR:
> {
>
> The only issue here is whether the intent is clear and
> unambiguous, which ultimately will come down to some criterion
> of reasonable effort. The only information that needs to be
> verified is whether 1) there were at least 41 ritual acts, and that 2) none
> of those have had a ritual number declared in response. Well, I posit that
> those two facts are patently obvious, even though it might be unreasonably
> hard to identify specifically which acts were those. But their identity,
> alas, is irrelevant.
>
> }
>
> --
> juan
>
Arguments AGAINST:
(feels trivial but:)
Declaring ritual numbers is not a ritual act.
To clarify, declaring ritual numbers is none of the following:
- Performing a cabinet order (trivial)
- Assigning a judgement (trivial)
- Awarding ribbons (trivial)
- Once per week per report type, publishing a report
(If they are a published report, it is once per week per report type, so
(trivial).)
- Once per week per player, nominating for office (trivial)
- Once per week per player, voting (trivial)
--
4st
Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor
Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
DIS: Re: BUS: Sacrilege
man. 27. mar. 2023 kl. 10:16 skrev Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>: > On 3/27/23 12:33, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > man. 27. mar. 2023 kl. 08:14 skrev Janet Cobb via agora-business < > > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>: > > > >> I CoE on each purported declaration of a ritual number not less than 10: > >> the purported declaration of 10 on the most recent ACORN was invalid. > >> > >> -- > >> Janet Cobb > >> > >> Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason > >> > >> > > I respond to this CoE (as I SHOULD), with: > > CFJ: A report must be "complete" to be considered a ritual act. > > Arguments AGAINST: Ritual acts are not defined as requiring completeness. > > > > The ritual act is "Once per week per player, publishing a report". > Publishing a portion of a report is not publishing a report. > > -- > Janet Cobb > > Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason > > I withdraw this CFJ. I respond to the CoE instead by accepting the error, and letting all declared ritual numbers that had this as dependency fail. -- 4st Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Asceticism
This Proposal wouldn't remove the ability to do so to those who would like to play that way. So, you could still do that if you want. On Monday, March 27, 2023, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > man. 27. mar. 2023 kl. 08:53 skrev Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>: > > > I don't think it would be possible for me to earn Radiance faster than > the > > Radiance treadmill pushes me back, so earning Radiance feels empty to > me. I > > suggest an alternative way to play. > > > > > Through a lot of effort, you too can declare additional ritual numbers, > and slowly but surely get 1 radiance for you and those in the behind. > > -- > 4st > Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor > Uncertified Bad Idea Generator >
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Asceticism
man. 27. mar. 2023 kl. 08:53 skrev Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>: > I don't think it would be possible for me to earn Radiance faster than the > Radiance treadmill pushes me back, so earning Radiance feels empty to me. I > suggest an alternative way to play. > Through a lot of effort, you too can declare additional ritual numbers, and slowly but surely get 1 radiance for you and those in the behind. -- 4st Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] ACORN - March 2023
man. 27. mar. 2023 kl. 08:13 skrev Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>: > On 3/27/23 10:30, Forest Sweeney wrote: > > søn. 26. mar. 2023 kl. 13:51 skrev Janet Cobb via agora-official > > : > > > > THE AGORA NOMIC CODE OF REGULATIONS > > > > These ACORNs are also online at http://agoranomic.org/ruleset/ > > > > Date of this ACORN: 26 Mar 2023 > > > > No regulations exist. > > > > > > The declared ritual number is now 10 > > > > -- > > 4st > > Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor > > Uncertified Bad Idea Generator > > > This fails. The ACORN is not a complete report. > > -- > Janet Cobb > > Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason > Hmm... nowhere does it say a report must be complete to be a ritual act? -- 4st Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] ACORN - March 2023
søn. 26. mar. 2023 kl. 13:51 skrev Janet Cobb via agora-official < agora-offic...@agoranomic.org>: > THE AGORA NOMIC CODE OF REGULATIONS > > These ACORNs are also online at http://agoranomic.org/ruleset/ > > Date of this ACORN: 26 Mar 2023 > > No regulations exist. > The declared ritual number is now 10 -- 4st Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor/Proposal)
søn. 26. mar. 2023 kl. 16:42 skrev secretsnail9 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>: > I suggest withdrawing this proposal. > You get 10 dollaries when the race starts, not 20. 10 would be a more > reasonable number. Otherwise new players would just have a decided > advantage, enough to practically secure a win. And if they joined, then the > race started anew, and then they got a welcome package, they'd have 30 > while everyone else has 10. So it's just a bad idea. Though thank you for > pointing out your grievances with horses! It still needs fixing, just not > this. > I think if a new player has been watching the lists well enough to join at precisely the right time to scam up 30 dollaries for eventually 30 radiance (since they previously had 0), they should be able to have it. It is less than 1/3 of a win, and I don't think anyone is going to deregister just to do this scam, since it only works once. Plus, it works as a good introduction to scams/etc and a quick, encouraging, small "win". And maybe it will drum up interest into the game. -- 4st Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
