Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora (corrected)

2024-09-09 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
But, (aside from the CoE) what is musicianship? I can't find it in the
rulesets.

On Tue, 10 Sept 2024, 8:10 am Janet Cobb via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 9/9/24 15:07, 4st nomic via agora-official wrote:
> >  Masonry: Falsifian, Murphy, R. Lee, ais523 (x2), Murphy,
> Janet
> > Musicianship: ais523, omd, Tiger, Wooble, Zefram, snail
>
>
> CoE: snail's win should be listed under Masonry.
>
> --
> Janet Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor
>
>


DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora (corrected)

2024-09-09 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Musicianship?
--
juniper

On Tue, 10 Sept 2024, 5:08 am 4st nomic via agora-official, <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> News:
> - snail won by Masonry ("zen").
>
> The last report was Aug 4th, 2024 (this report does not self-ratify)
>
> ===
>   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
> ===
>
> Herald's Monthly Report
>
>  Sep 9th, 2024
>
>   ---
>   CHAMPION by
>   ---
> Agoran't: Janet, Kate, snail
>  Anarchy: Alexis
>   Apathy: ais523, Aris, babelian, Bayushi, D. Margaux,
>   Gaelan (x2), grok, Ienpw III, Murphy, nix, o,
>   omd, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Quazie,
>   R. Lee, Sprocklem, tris, Kate, Veggiekeks,
>   Warrigal, 天火狐
>Bang: snail, Mischief(x2)
>Birds: snail
>Cards: G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root, Taral
>  Champion*(11/6): Kelly
>   Champion*(3/2): Chuck, Kelly, Steve
>   Champion*(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
>   Troublemaker at Large, Wes
>   Champion*(5/3): Kelly, Steve
>   Champion*(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen, Morendil, Steve,
>   Swann, Troublemaker at Large
>Clout: ais523, Alexis
>Economic Takeover: Falsifian, G., Madrid, Trigon
> Election: G.
>   Escape: omd
>   High Score: ais523 (x5), Alexis (x2), BobTHJ, Mischief,
>   Falsifian, G. (x2), Janet (x2), Levi, Madrid,
>   Murphy (x3), omd (x4), Pavitra, root, snail (x6),
>   Steve, Tiger, Trigon, Kate (x2), Walker, Wooble,
>   Yachay Wayllukuq
>Junta: ais523 (x2), Alexis, G., nix, omd (x2),
>   OscarMeyr, the AFO
>   Leadership: ais523
>Lotto: Alexis, omd
>   Maniac: Craig, root
>  Masonry: Falsifian, Murphy, R. Lee, ais523 (x2), Murphy, Janet
> Musicianship: ais523, omd, Tiger, Wooble, Zefram, snail
>  Nomaoic: snail
>  Paradox: ais523 (x3), Alexis, BobTHJ (x2), Bucky (x2),
>   ehird, G. (x2), Gaelan, Murphy, omd, R. Lee, root
> Politics: Aris, D. Margaux (x2)
> Proposal: ais523 (x4), Alexis (x3), allispaul, Andon,
>   Andre (x3), Aris, BobTHJ, Bucky, Canada,
>   D. Margaux (x501), G. (x2), Human Point Two,
>   Madrid, Morendil, Murphy, omd (x2), Spitemaster,
>   Steve (x3), Tiger, Trigon, Kate, woggle, Yally
>  Renaissance: ais523, Alexis (x3), Aris, G. (x3), Janet (x2),
>   Murphy, Kate
> Rice: G.
>  Rulebending: G., Janet, nix
> Solitude: ais523 (x2), Alexis (x2), omd
>  Spaaace: Falsifian, Janet (x1000)
> Stamp Collecting: snail
>   Tournament: ais523, Aris, ATMunn, G., grok, Janet (x2),
>   OscarMeyr,
>   Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, root, Taral,
>   Wooble
>  Unspecified: Blob, Chuck, Dave Bowen, elJefe, favor, Garth,
>   General Chaos, Ian, Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael,
>   Ørjan, Steve, Swann, t, Timothy,
>   Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel (x2), Wes (x2)
> Via Ratification: The President
>
>
> 
> ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> 
>
>GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter, Michael Norrish
>
>   HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> Murphy, G., omd
>
> 
> HIGHER EDUCATION
> 
>Associate of Nomic Artistry (A.N.A.):Aris, Madrid, Mischief
>Associate of Nomic (A.N.):   G., Alexis, Kate
>Juris Doctorate of Nomic (J.N.): Falsifian, G.
>Baccalaureate of Nomic (B.N.):   elJefe, favor,
> Steve, Vanyel,
> Kolja A., Murphy,
> Alexis
>Magisteriate of Nomic (M.N.):ais523, Janet
>Doctorate of Nomic History (D.N.Hist.):  Swann, Vlad
>Doctorate of Nomic Philosophy (D.N.Phil.):   Steve, ais523
>Doctorate of Nomic Science (D.N.Sci.):   Janet

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vibe Check

2024-09-02 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
No, I knew this, I just wanted to make my intent to object public.

On Tue, 3 Sept 2024, 12:01 pm Aris via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 6:23 PM Matt Smyth via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 2, 2024, at 18:00, secretsnail9 via agora-business <
> > > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I intend, with notice, to make mqyhlkahu inactive.
> > >
> > I object to this intention, but do not object to any of the others.
> > --
> > juniper
>
>
> It's with notice action. Objecting to the intent doesn't do anything
> meaningful, unless it regards you (in which case it makes the intent
> unresolvable, since you'd have sent a public message). My apologies if I'm
> missing some aspect of this situation.
>
> -Aris
>


DIS: Re: BUS: Prime minister (again)

2024-09-01 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
But I like chaos... No vote from me.

On Mon, 2 Sept 2024, 11:24 am Jimmy via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I become a candidate in the ongoing election for prime minister. Hey man. I
> didnt do anything bad last time. A vote for me is a vote for peaceful
> times.
>


DIS: Re: BUS: A Sisyphean Endeavor

2024-09-01 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Yes, but how?

On Mon, 2 Sept 2024, 5:47 am Lily Long via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I push the boulder.
>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What

2024-08-27 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Besides which, I had reason to believe it would pass, since everyone
benefits. Who would object to a free win, I thought? nomicsare fun to test.
--
juniper

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024, 7:35 am Matt Smyth via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> Oh. I just wanted to see if it would work, I agree that everyone winning
> isn't really winning...
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024, 7:33 am Agora amdw42,  wrote:
>
> > I object
> > A win feels cheap if shared with everyone.
> >
> > ——
> > Ben
> > --
> > *From:* agora-business  on behalf
> > of Matt Smyth via agora-business 
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2024 5:30:56 PM
> > *To:* agora-business 
> > *Cc:* Matt Smyth 
> > *Subject:* BUS: What
> >
> > I declare apathy, including all registered Agorans in the list of
> > beneficiaries.
> >
> > This is NOT affected by my earlier email that objected to all attempts to
> > declare apathy including me, as I sent that first.
> > --
> > juniper
> >
>


DIS: Re: BUS: What

2024-08-27 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Oh. I just wanted to see if it would work, I agree that everyone winning
isn't really winning...


On Wed, 28 Aug 2024, 7:33 am Agora amdw42,  wrote:

> I object
> A win feels cheap if shared with everyone.
>
> ——
> Ben
> --
> *From:* agora-business  on behalf
> of Matt Smyth via agora-business 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2024 5:30:56 PM
> *To:* agora-business 
> *Cc:* Matt Smyth 
> *Subject:* BUS: What
>
> I declare apathy, including all registered Agorans in the list of
> beneficiaries.
>
> This is NOT affected by my earlier email that objected to all attempts to
> declare apathy including me, as I sent that first.
> --
> juniper
>


DIS: Re: BUS: [Absurdor] Boulder stuff

2024-08-26 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
But, how quickly?

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024, 4:04 pm Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I push the boulder
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 11:39 PM Paul McDowell via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On Aug 26, 2024, at 17:29, Matt Smyth via agora-business <
> > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I push the boulder, extremely quickly.
> > > --
> > > juniper
> >
> > I push the boulder at ludicrous speed
> > —
> > LiterallyAmbiguous
>


DIS: Re: BUS: Petition for various agoranomic.org updates

2024-08-25 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
So, is e the webmastor?

On Mon, 26 Aug 2024, 6:49 am Edward Murphy via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I petition nix (who I believe is still is maintaining agoranomic.org) to
> update the following when time permits:
>
>* Join - mention the additional discussion fora (Discord, new list);
>  fix markup around "And if you have any questions"
>
>* How to Play - remove repealed stuff (dreams, stones); add new stuff
>  (spendies, stones, Bangs; Boulder, Veblen, Hats)
>
>* Judgments - note some basics like "caller presents a statement,
>  judge determines whether it was true at time of calling"; note that
>  the archive hasn't been updated since August 2023, but the link
>  includes near-complete archives from the start of Agora to that time
>
>* Glossary - mention Arbitor in the CotC entry, mention RFC 2119 in
>  the MMI entry
>
>* Calendar - mention the rules defining holidays and birthdays
>
>* Archives - mention the new discussion list; my site's domain name
>  has changed from zenith.homelinux.net to johnpeters.us.to; add
>  years to historical links that don't already mention them
>
> --
> [ANSC H:GE V:G B:0]
>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Half of a stamp trade

2024-08-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
No, actually. I think I might have set up the cc a while ago, and now
I'm suffering the consequences...

But Lily can have two stamps, that's fine.

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 at 21:06, Mischief via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On 8/21/24 1:26 AM, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote:
> > Whoops, wrong forum.
>
> Are you reply-all-ing? Your first message went to both a-d and a-b. The
> end result is you ended up with two separate posts to a-b (so two
> separate transfers).
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg46999.html
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg47002.html
>
> --
> Mischief
> Collector
> Hat: steampunk hat
> Vitality: alive
> Bang holdings: 0


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Half of a stamp trade

2024-08-20 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Whoops, wrong forum.

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024, 3:25 pm Matt Smyth via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I transfer 1 juniper stamp to Lily.
> --
> juniper
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024, 10:29 pm Lily Long via agora-business, <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > I transfer 1 Lily stamp to juniper.
> >
>


DIS: Re: BUS: Half of a stamp trade

2024-08-20 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I transfer 1 juniper stamp to Lily.
--
juniper

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024, 10:29 pm Lily Long via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I transfer 1 Lily stamp to juniper.
>


DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] A bit too complex

2024-08-13 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
... Okay, perhaps

On Wed, 14 Aug 2024, 2:31 am Janet Cobb via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I submit the following proposal:
>
> Title: Simplification, ironically
>
> Adoption index: 1.0
>
> Author: Janet
>
> Coauthors:
>
> {
>
> Amend Rule 1681 ("The Logical Rulesets") by deleting the text from "The
> Readable Logical Ruleset (RLR)" (inclusive) to the end of the rule.
>
> Repeal Rule 2693 ("The Simplifior").
>
>
> [We have yet to see a report from this office and nobody has pointed
> this out or expressed interest in deputising, suggesting that the report
> is infeasible and/or not useful.]
>
> }
>
> --
> Janet Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor
>
>


Re: DIS: Irritatingly Conspicuous Correspondence

2024-08-12 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Proposal to give the Veblen a shininess

On Tue, 13 Aug 2024, 2:40 am Agora amdw42 via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I shall scheme to get it back…. My precious shall return
>
> ——
> Ben
> 
> From: agora-discussion  on
> behalf of lare290 via agora-discussion 
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 7:35:17 AM
> To: Agora Discussion 
> Cc: lare290 
> Subject: DIS: Irritatingly Conspicuous Correspondence
>
> The Veblen is mine! I love my Veblen. All mine, not yours! Nyeh nyeh!
>
>


DIS: Re: BUS: Keepalive

2024-08-07 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
?

On Wed, 7 Aug 2024, 8:42 pm Aris via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I hope everyone is doing well.
>
> TTYL!
>


DIS: Re: The Scroll of Agora

2024-08-03 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
>
>
> Can I ask what this part is, and how it is ratified?

>
>
>
>
>AND MORE
>
> : Andre
> Admiral:  G.
> Agoran Spy:   pikhq
> Agoraphobe:   Antimatter, BethMo, Blue
> Bard: G., Maud, Mischief, Sherlock,
>   Murphy, Alexis, 天火狐,
> Boor: General Chaos, Macross, Murphy,
>   Sherlock, elJefe, Crito
> Came Back in a Puff:  BobTHJ
> Cassandra:G.,  Murphy
> Commuted in a Huff:   Wooble
> Desultory Dictator:   G.
> Distributor:  Steve, Taral, omd
> Elder Lurker: David Nicol, Michael
> Entrepreneur: Chuck
> Exorcist: Ørjan
> Fantasy Rule Catalyst:Peter
> Fantasy Rule Compulsion   Zefram
> Fantasy Rule Conspirator: OscarMeyr
> Fantasy Rule Creator: Murphy
> First violin: G.
> H.:   ais523
> Hard Labor:   Falsifian (Registrar and
>   Treasuror), G. (Arbitor and
>   Herald), Janet (Assessor and
>   Rulekeepor),
>   Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   (Referee, Tailor, and Herald)
> Helping Hand: Kate
> Heroic Notary:Murphy
> Historian:Vlad
> Left in a Huff:   Waggie, Gecko, Kelly(x3!),
>   Swann, KoJen, Zefram, Vlad,
>   Andre, G., BobTHJ, P1-P100,
>   Telnaior
> Little Ricky Tables:  Gaelan
> MacGyver: Falsifian
> Maniac:   Craig, Peekee, root
> Marvy:4st, ais523, CreateSource,
>   cuddlybanana, duck, G., Janet,
>   juan, Murphy, R. Lee, snail,
>   Trigon, Vitor Gonçalves
> Money Launderer:  R. Lee
> Most Popular: Aris
> Nomic Thief:  Swann
> Orator:   Kate
> Originator:   Chuck
> Plagiarist:   ehird
> Popular:  ATMunn, Aris, Madrid,
>   cuddlybanana, G., Janet, Murphy,
>   Trigon
> Popular Philanthropist:   ATMunn
> Popular Polygon:  Trigon
> Prince of Andorra:Alexis
> Princess of Agora:Alexis
> Reformist Bug:Trigon
> Roboticist General:   Janet
> Rulebender:   Aris, Madrid, Falsifian, G.,
>   Gaelan, Janet, Murphy,
>   Publius Scribonius Scholasticus,
>   R. Lee, Trigon, nix, omd, Kate
> Scamster: Troublemaker at Large,
>   Waggie, G., Steve, Murphy, root,
>   OscarMeyr, ehird, omd, ais523
> Second fiddle:omd
> Simon Said:   Wooble
> Sorcerer's Apprentice:omd
> Tiger Team:   Telnaior
> Too Intense:  Gaelan
> Unchampion:   aranea
> Very Popular: Aris, Janet, Trigon
> 273rd Prepared Piano: Murphy
>
> K


Re: DIS: Matrix woes

2024-08-03 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Probably.
There are a few rooms I found like 'matrix-only' and 'drafting' or
something like that, and I'm not too certain that these would be connected
either.

On Tue, 30 July 2024, 7:58 pm Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2024-07-30 at 11:43 +0200, Immae via agora-discussion wrote:
> > (Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 07:30:44PM GMT) Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
> > :
> > > Is the bridge between discord and matrix out? I'm relatively new
> > > and I
> > > don't know what to expect in terms of messaging density, but I
> > > don't think
> > > I, on Matrix, have seen any messages for a couple of months now
> > > [barring,
> > > of course, Kiako, who messaged on Matrix asking this same
> > > question]. Or
> > > should I just go onto discord directly?
> > >
> > > I think this is the right forum.
> >
> > I confirm that the bridge seems broken: I’m registered both on matrix
> > and IRC (where I receive message from somewhere else via the
> > AgoraBot,
> > presumably from discord) and the discussions are not shared.
> > I think that libera.chat has a bridge, so you may be able to join the
> > IRC channel ##nomic from your matrix?
>
> Yes, there are IRC-Discord and Discord-Matrix bridges that are
> collectively supposed to connect the most important channels on all
> three, but it seems like the latter is not working at the moment. It
> (and the Matrix space in general) have historically been maintained by
> nix, but e's been busy with work recently... maybe it's worth thinking
> about merging the Matrix bridge functionality into AgoraBot?
>
> ~qenya
>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Absurdor] The State of the Absurd [REVISION] [AGAIN]

2024-07-30 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Sorry...
Turns out I'd had multiple signatures on different devices.
But I have more time to spend Agora'ing now, so

On Tue, 30 July 2024, 11:56 pm juan via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> Matt Smyth via agora-business [2024-07-30 12:30]:
> > Sorry to do this, but... my name is listed twice.
> >
> > On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 at 08:49, juan via agora-official
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > TOP PUSHERS
> > ...
> > > #18  1 = juniper
> > ...
> > > #20  1 = Juniper
> > >
>
> Well, if you'd sign your messages in a consistent way—I mean, yes,
> sorry, I'll fix it.
>
> But it's not self-ratifying, so it will come next monday.
>
> --
> juan
> Absurdor impostor
>


DIS: Matrix woes

2024-07-30 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Is the bridge between discord and matrix out? I'm relatively new and I
don't know what to expect in terms of messaging density, but I don't think
I, on Matrix, have seen any messages for a couple of months now [barring,
of course, Kiako, who messaged on Matrix asking this same question]. Or
should I just go onto discord directly?

I think this is the right forum.


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Birthday Tourney stats / Reminder

2024-07-30 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
All right then. Count me in (after I hurriedly complete the Stonemason's...
Sorry!).

On Tue, 30 July 2024, 10:19 am 4st nomic via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 5:17 PM Mischief via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 7/29/24 8:11 PM, 4st nomic via agora-official wrote:
> > > This is your reminder that game night has already begun. I'm not
> required
> > > anywhere to post this. But I thought it would be nice to do anyways. :)
> >
> > Isn't this a little over a day early? The tournament started 23 Jul 2024
> > 20:07:43 -0700, and Game Night starts 7 days after that.
> >
> > --
> > Mischief
> > Collector
> > Hat: steampunk hat
> > Vitality: ghostly
> > Bang holdings: 0
> >
> >
>
>
>
> UHHH OOOPS
>
> Yes. Thank you.
>
> Well. There's one more day to sign up if you haven't! oops!
> --
> 4ˢᵗ
> wearing Jester's Cap
> Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
>


DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) A dangerous game.

2024-07-24 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
What does this mean...?

On Wed, 24 July 2024, 12:40 pm 4st nomic via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> As the geologist, I cast earthquake. INSTABILITY. INCREASE. GO!
>
> By earthquake, I actually mean the following:
>
> I submit the following proposals:
> {
> Title: Corpse Looting
> Adoption Index: 1.0
> Author: 4st
> Coauthors:
>
> Append the following to Rule 2695 ("The Veblen"):
> {
> When a shooter fires a round that eliminates a player who owns the Veblen,
> the shooter CAN, by announcement, loot the corpse. The Veblen is thereby
> transferred to the shooter.
> }
> }
>
> {
> Title: Silly Bangs
> Adoption Index: 1.0
> Author: 4st
> Coauthors:
>
> Amend Rule 2696 ("Bang Actions") by replacing:
> {
> if the shooter is alive and has two bangs
> }
> with
> {
> if the shooter is alive and has at least two bangs
> }
>
> [it's not really exploitable, but rather just annoying: having your reveal
> fail bc you had more than 2 bangs for any reason, since you can simply
> transfer bangs away from you freely.]
> }
>
>
> --
> 4ˢᵗ
> wearing Jester's Cap
> Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oops

2024-07-13 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Oh, I'm just an all-round chaotic neutral. It doesn't really change the
game if it were to pass, so it'd be more interesting if it wasn't fixed.

On Sun, 14 July 2024, 1:11 pm Janet Cobb via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 7/13/24 22:09, Matt Smyth via agora-business wrote:
> > I object.
>
>
> I think this fails, as it isn't clear which intent (or both) is being
> objected to.
>
> Also, can I ask why?
>
> --
> Janet Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason
>


Re: DIS: Suggestions on the Absurd

2024-07-02 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Whoever would make a microtransaction movement, I would (ironically) support.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Expediting sortition procedure

2024-07-01 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
whoops - that was supposed to be spendor... but i'm fine to sit this one out.

On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 at 21:32, Katherina Walshe-Grey via
agora-discussion  wrote:
>
> On 01/07/2024 04:40, Matt Smyth via agora-business wrote:
>
> > I become an option for the office of Webmastor.
> > I become an option for the office of Tailor.
> > I become an option for the office of Collector.
> > I become an option for the office of Stonemason.
>
> Tailor is not being sortitioned - calling attention in case you typoed
> for something else.
>
> ~qenya
>


DIS: Re: BUS: Expediting sortition procedure

2024-06-30 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Instant approval from me..
--
juniper

On Mon, 1 July 2024, 7:33 am Edward Murphy via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> [This time window happens to clash with my usual late-Sunday schedule.]
>
> I submit a promise to the Library, titled "2024 Q3 Initiate Sortition",
> with the following text:
> {
> Cashing condition: It is on or after 1 July 2024, 00:00 UTC.
>
> For each of the following offices, I initiate a sortition for it:
>* Absurdor
>* Collector
>* Geologist
>* Illuminator
>* Spendor
>* Stonemason
>* Webmastor
> }
>
> --
> [ANSC H:GE V:G B:0]
>


DIS: Re: BUS: Stamps [@collector][@spendor]

2024-06-29 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Oh wait, I forgot about that...

On Sun, 30 June 2024, 10:38 am Mischief via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 6/29/24 7:09 PM, Matt Smyth via agora-business wrote:
> > I pay five Spendies to receive 1 juniper stamp.
> > I pay five Spendies to receive 1 juniper stamp.
> > I pay five Spendies to receive 1 juniper stamp.
> > I pay five Spendies to receive 1 juniper stamp.
> >
> > There should now be 7 juniper stamps in existence.
>
> Precedent is that specifying an incorrect number of stamps would cause the
> action to fail, correct? If so, all four of these are unsuccessful.
>
> (It would be 2, 2, 2, then 1.)
>
> --
> Mischief
> Hat: steampunk hat
> Vitality: Unalive
> Bang holdings: 0
>
>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] It takes two, and Ammo Store

2024-06-28 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
how about a dodging mechanic? give everyone a speed value, or perhaps
they can buy bulletproof vests?

On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 at 19:33, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 4:04 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > I don't think that requiring 2 Bangs to kill someone will necessarily slow
> > down the game once the match starts. We've seen that players (others and
> > myself) can easily use Contracts to prepare beforehand to set up automation
> > which can lead to very fast wins.
> >
> > Perhaps a player could only shoot once per X hours (72?), and it takes two
> > shots to kill someone?
> >
>
> Part of the reason it went so fast is that a small number of players was
> able to eliminate enough players immediately, and this makes it take twice
> as many resources to do that.
>
> I was also thinking about changing the game to eliminate all the timing
> nonsense, and letting players commit to eliminations and reveal them the
> next week. This would reduce rapid-fire combos and make things more fair
> for people who aren't as active. 72 hours would still have some of those
> issues, but if everyone eliminates at once it should be better.
>
> --
> snail


DIS: Re: BUS: Hold it!

2024-06-27 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I eliminate snail by paying a fee of 1 Bang.
--
juniper
Alive, 0 Bangs

On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 at 13:13, Matt Smyth via agora-business
 wrote:
>
> I incarnate.
> --
> juniper


DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2024-06-23 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Query: This report lists my lateness as !!! - but Simplifior was only
enacted in the past 24 hrs, right? Am I misinterpreting something in
this report?

On Mon, 24 Jun 2024 at 08:20, Edward Murphy via agora-official
 wrote:
>
> [shutterstock 182836634]
>
> =Metareport=
> You can find an up-to-date version of this report at
> http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php
>
> Date of last report: 2024-06-16
> Date of this report: 2024-06-23
>
>
> MISCELLANEOUS INFO
>
> 
> Filled offices: 21/22 (95.45%)
> Total officers: 14
> Consolidation[1]: 1.5
> Late reports: 6/17 (35.29%)
> 
> [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of
> officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different
> players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean
> that all offices are filled by one player.
>
>
> OFFICES
>
> Office   Holder[1]Since Last Election Complexity
> 
> Absurdor juan 2023-06-19(never)[4]0
> ADoP Murphy   2020-07-032024-04-141
> Arbitor~*nix  2024-03-092023-10-152
> ArchivistGaelan   2024-04-07(never)   1
> Assessor Janet2019-07-092024-01-143
> Collector   *Mischief 2024-06-18(never)[4]2
> Distributor  omd  2018-06-15(never)[3]0
> Geologist   *4st  2024-05-15(never)[4]1
> Herald ~*snail2023-11-082023-10-152
> Illuminator *Quadrantal   2024-05-05(never)[4]1
> Notary ~ snail2022-03-142023-10-152
> Prime Minister ~ jimmy2024-01-142024-01-140
> Promotor snail2022-05-012024-01-143
> Referee  ais523   2023-06-132024-04-142
> Registrarjuan 2022-08-292024-04-141
> Rulekeepor ~ Janet2019-12-062023-07-163
> Simplifior   Juniper  2024-06-23(never)   1
> Speaker  Jaff 2024-04-292019-11-05 [3]0
> Spendor  nix  2024-04-21(never)[4]1
> Stonemason   Janet2020-11-11(never)[4]1
> Tailor   Murphy   2021-02-282024-04-141
> Webmastor   *(vacant) 2023-06-13[2] 2023-10-15 [4]1
> 
> [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected)
>  ~ = Term limited (held for 180+ days, 90+ for Prime Minister)
> [2] Vacant since this date
> [3] Currently imposed
> [4] Currently sortitioned ("Election" may actually be sortition)
>
>
> WEEKLY REPORTS
>
> Office   ReportLast Published Late[1]
> 
> Absurdor Boulder Height2024-06-17
> ADoP Offices   2024-06-16[2]
> Arbitor  Judicial matters  2024-05-26 !!!
> CollectorStamps2024-06-18
> GeologistCrystals  2024-05-30 !!
> Illuminator  Radiance  2024-06-23
> Promotor Proposal pool 2024-06-04 !
> Referee  Rule violations   2024-06-22
> RegistrarPlayers, Fora 2024-06-17
> Rulekeepor   Short Logical Ruleset 2024-06-14
> Simplifior   Readable Logical Ruleset  (never)!!!
> Spendor  Spendies  2024-05-27 !!
> Stonemason   Stones2024-06-23
> 
> [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+
>(does not take succumbing into account)
> [2] Not including this report
>
> MONTHLY REPORTS
>
> Office   ReportLast Published Late
> 
> Herald   Patent titles 2024-06-04
> Notary   Contracts 2024-06-04
> RegistrarPlayer history2024-06-03
> Rulekeepor   Full Logical Ruleset  2024-06-14
> Tailor   Ribbons, Laudability  2024-05-05
> WebmastorWeb resources 2023-10-11 (vacant)
> 
>
>
> ELECTIONS / SORTITIONS
>
> Office   Initiated   Phase   Candidates
> 
> (none in progress)
> ---

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] SLR

2024-06-07 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
... sorry, habit

On Sat, 8 June 2024, 10:06 am nix via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 6/7/24 17:31, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote:
> > Wait, 4st! I remember Janet telling me that I couldn't deputise as
> > Rulekeepor because she's on vacation, so there's no requirement for her
> to
> > publish the rulesets. Should I CoE..?
>
> Small nudge to remind players that we typically stick to Spivak pronouns
> for all players on the email lists.
>
> --
> nix
> Arbitor, Spendor
>
>


DIS: Re: OFF: [rulekeepor] SLR, FLR, ACORN are forthcoming...

2024-06-07 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I win.

On Sat, 8 June 2024, 8:43 am 4st nomic via agora-official, <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> Note: this failed. The reports therefore aren't official. It's probably
> fine, better than nothing, and easier when Janet gers back or the next
> person bc the ruleset repo was updated.
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 3:13 PM 4st nomic via agora-official <
> agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > I temporarily deputize as rulekeepor to publish the SLR, FLR, and ACORN,
> as
> > one of these things has expired, so lets just do all of them? idk
> >
> > Separate messages, because keep it a little clean, eh?
> >
> > --
> > 4ˢᵗ
> > wearing Jester's Cap
> > Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
> >
>


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] SLR

2024-06-07 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Then why does it say OFF: at the start of the subject?

On Sat, 8 June 2024, 8:39 am 4st nomic, <4st.no...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No, the report isn't official in any way, that's all that means methinks
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 3:32 PM Matt Smyth via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> Wait, 4st! I remember Janet telling me that I couldn't deputise as
>> Rulekeepor because she's on vacation, so there's no requirement for her to
>> publish the rulesets. Should I CoE..?
>>
>> On Sat, 8 June 2024, 8:14 am 4st nomic via agora-official, <
>> agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>>
>> > THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET
>> >
>> > These rulesets are also online at http://agoranomic.org/ruleset/
>> >
>> > Date of this ruleset:
>> >
>> > Date of last SLR ratification: 31 Dec 2023
>> >
>> > Number of rules currently enacted: 133
>> >
>> > Highest ID'd rule in this ruleset: 2690
>> > Highest ID'd Proposal Passed: 9112
>> > Highest ID'd Rule Enacted: 2690
>>
>


DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] SLR

2024-06-07 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Wait, 4st! I remember Janet telling me that I couldn't deputise as
Rulekeepor because she's on vacation, so there's no requirement for her to
publish the rulesets. Should I CoE..?

On Sat, 8 June 2024, 8:14 am 4st nomic via agora-official, <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET
>
> These rulesets are also online at http://agoranomic.org/ruleset/
>
> Date of this ruleset:
>
> Date of last SLR ratification: 31 Dec 2023
>
> Number of rules currently enacted: 133
>
> Highest ID'd rule in this ruleset: 2690
> Highest ID'd Proposal Passed: 9112
> Highest ID'd Rule Enacted: 2690
>
> The header of each rule is formatted as Rule /R (Power=P), where
>  is the ID number of the rule, R is the revision of the rule, and P
> is the power of the rule. This header is then followed by the title of
> the rule.
>
> 
> The Game of Agora
>This section includes a few rules concerning the Nature of the Game
>of Agora.
> 
> Rule 101/17 (Power=4)
> The Game of Agora
>
>   Agora is a game of Nomic, wherein Persons, acting in accordance
>   with the Rules, communicate their game Actions and/or results of
>   these actions via Fora in order to play the game. The game may be
>   won, but the game never ends.
>
>   Please treat Agora Right Good Forever.
>
> 
> Rule 1698/7 (Power=4)
> Agora Is A Nomic
>
>   Agora is ossified if it is IMPOSSIBLE for any reasonable
>   combination of actions by players to cause arbitrary rule changes
>   to be made and/or arbitrary proposals to be adopted within a
>   real-world (UTC) four-week period.
>
>   If, but for this rule, the net effect of a proposal would cause
>   Agora to become ossified, or would cause Agora to cease to exist,
>   it cannot take effect, rules to the contrary notwithstanding. If
>   any other single change or inseparable group of changes to the
>   gamestate would cause Agora to become ossified, or would cause
>   Agora to cease to exist, it is cancelled and does not occur, rules
>   to the contrary notwithstanding.
>
> 
> 
> Important Temporary Rules
>This category is a temporary dumping ground for rules that don't
>easily fit in any other category but that hold special relevance for
>the current gamestate.
> 
> Rule 2683/2 (Power=0.5)
> The Boulder
>
>   The Absurdor is a sortitioned office.
>
>   The Boulder's Height is a singleton integer switch defaulting to
>   0, tracked by the Absurdor.
>
>   Each player CAN, once a week, by announcement, push the boulder.
>   When a player pushes the Boulder, its Height is increased by 1.
>   At the beginning of each week, if the boulder was not pushed in
>   the previous week, the Boulder's Height is set to 0. The Absurdor
>   SHOULD list the largest Height of the Boulder ever reached in eir
>   report.
>
> 
> 
> Players
>This small section provides some rules detailing how joining and
>leaving Agora works. If you're a new player, this is probably the
>most important section to read.
> 
> Rule 869/54 (Power=3)
> How to Join and Leave Agora
>
>   Any entity (including a group of entities confederated with the
>   intent of forming a single person under this Rule) that is or ever
>   was able to willingly communicate original ideas is a person.
>   Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, no other entities are
>   persons.
>
>   Questions about personhood are to be resolved equitably, with
>   regard for the good-faith of those involved and the customs of
>   honorable play.
>
>   Citizenship is a secured person switch with values Unregistered
>   (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. A registered
>   person is a Player. To "register" someone is to flip that person's
>   Citizenship switch from Unregistered to Registered.
>
>   An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or
>   prevented by Rules of power 3 or greater) register by publishing a
>   message that indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably
>   unambiguously eir desire to become a player at that time (for
>   example, by saying "I register"). Rules to the contrary
>   notwithstanding, two or more persons CANNOT become Registered
>   simultaneously.
>
>   The basis of a 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] Billboard Rock Chart - 3 June 2024

2024-06-03 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
My wielding of the minty stone failed, right? Because snail had wielded it
three days prior?

On Tue, 4 June 2024, 8:36 am 4st nomic via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 3:18 PM Jaff via agora-official <
> agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > THE BILLBOARD ROCK CHART (STONEMASON'S WEEKLY REPORT)
> >
> > StoneOwnerLast Wielded  Stone Cost  Immune?
> > ---  ---    --  ---
> > PowerAgora2024-04-01 5
> > Soul Agora2024-04-21 5
> > Sabotage Agora2023-10-25 6
> > MintyAgora2024-04-28 7
> > Protection   Agora2024-04-01 3  Protection
> > RecursionAgora2024-04-01 5  Protection
> > Hot Potato   Agora2024-04-28 5
> > BlankAgora2024-04-01 2
> > Anti-Equatorial  Agora2024-05-05 2
> > Radiance Agora2024-05-06 8
> > Loud Agora   5
> >
>
> CoE: Stones have owners that are not Agora (EG Recusion/Protection are
> owned by nix, Radiance is owned by Snail).
> --
> 4ˢᵗ
> wearing Jester's Cap
> Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
>


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-05-28 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Oh - does it still count cus I updated the spreadsheet?

On Tue, 28 May 2024, 11:13 pm Janet Cobb via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 5/27/24 19:12, Matt Smyth via agora-business wrote:
> > I vote as such:
> >  vote as follows:
> >>> 9114~   snail   2.0   Grind Stone
> > FOR
> >>
> >>
> >>> 9115~   snail   2.0   Lode Stone
> > FOR
> >>> 9116~   snail, juan...[1]   1.0   A friendly game v2
> > FOR
> >>> 9117~   Mischief1.0   Self-Elimination
> >> PRESENT
> >>
> >>
> >>> 9118~   juniper 1.0   Recursion
> >> AGAINST
> >>
> >>
> >>> 9119*   Mischief3.0   Say It Once Mk II
> >> FOR
> >>
> >> --
> > juniper :3
>
>
> It's unclear whether some of these work, since they ended up in the
> quoted part of your message.
>
> --
> Janet Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason
>


Re: DIS: Proto: Hats

2024-05-26 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Then I wear the plain hat by announcement (readable logical ruleset :3).

On Sat, 25 May 2024 at 20:21, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> I wear the Armored Helm by announcement.
>
> Incidentally, it is very big, and very shiny. Likely bigger and shinier
> than anyone else's. Most probably the biggest, and shiniest. Incidentally.
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 1:49 AM Mischief via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Proto-proposal ("Hats" AI=1):
> >
> > [The idea here is to have a playful mechanism that also serves as a straw
> > poll of how players are feeling. Inspired by the self-reporting approach in
> > the "Bang!" subgame, a player could include eir current hat in eir
> > signature if e wished. The recordkeepor language is meant to 1) avoid
> > requiring any work and also 2) avoid problems if someone's first post after
> > changing eir hat is to agora-discussion.]
> >
> > Create a rule titled "Hats" reading:
> >
> > Hats are a secured player switch defaulting to "none" with the following
> > possible values and associated meanings for the player's current focus:
> >
> >none: no particular focus
> >
> >armored helm: competing for wins and in sub-games
> >
> >dunce cap: expressing regret or acknowledging a mistake
> >
> >floral wreath: resolving conflict
> >
> >green eyeshade: maintaining accurate records
> >
> >hard hat: repairing problems in the rules
> >
> >jaunty beret: exploring creative expression
> >
> >jester's cap: bringing levity and humor
> >
> >judicial wig: ruling on CFJs and interpreting the rules
> >
> >knitted cap: finding loopholes and exploits
> >
> >plain hat: simplifying the rules
> >
> >rugged fedora: researching Agoran and Nomic history
> >
> >sleeping cap: reducing eir participation in Agora
> >
> >steampunk hat: creating new game mechanics
> >
> >traditional mortarboard: conducting research and writing theses
> >
> > A player CAN change eir hat at any time by notifying the recordkeepor for
> > eir hat (publicly or privately). Unless otherwise specified by the rules:
> > 1) the recordkeepor for a player's hat is the player emself, and 2)
> > reporting on hats is OPTIONAL.
> >
> > Hats do not otherwise limit or restrict a player's actions in any way, and
> > every player is ENCOURAGED to participate in all aspects of the game
> > regardless of eir current hat.
> >
> > --
> > Mischief
> >


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-05-26 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
... whoops

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 11:43, 4st nomic <4st.no...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> sorry Juniper, this was to DIS, make sure you send votes to BUS
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6:42 PM Matt Smyth via agora-discussion 
>  wrote:
>>
>> I vote as follows:
>>
>> >
>> > > 9114~   snail   2.0   Grind Stone
>> >
>> FOR
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > 9115~   snail   2.0   Lode Stone
>> >
>>
>> FOR
>>
>> >
>> > > 9116~   snail, juan...[1]   1.0   A friendly game v2
>> >
>> FOR
>>
>> >
>> > > 9117~   Mischief1.0   Self-Elimination
>> >
>> > PRESENT
>> >
>> >
>> > > 9118~   juniper 1.0   Recursion
>> >
>> > AGAINST
>> >
>> >
>> > > 9119*   Mischief3.0   Say It Once Mk II
>> >
>> > FOR
>> >
>> > --
>> > Janet Cobb
>> >
>> > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
>> >
>
>
>
> --
> apathy (4ˢᵗ)
> wearing Jester's Cap
> Uncertified Bad Idea Generator


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-05-25 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I vote as follows:

>
> > 9114~   snail   2.0   Grind Stone
>
FOR

>
>
>
> > 9115~   snail   2.0   Lode Stone
>

FOR

>
> > 9116~   snail, juan...[1]   1.0   A friendly game v2
>
FOR

>
> > 9117~   Mischief1.0   Self-Elimination
>
> PRESENT
>
>
> > 9118~   juniper 1.0   Recursion
>
> AGAINST
>
>
> > 9119*   Mischief3.0   Say It Once Mk II
>
> FOR
>
> --
> Janet Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason
>


DIS: Re: BUS: Salaries

2024-05-25 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Hey, did this proposal count as invalid or something??

On Wed, 15 May 2024, 4:00 pm Matt Smyth via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I just had the great idea of paying people for their labour.
> I submit the following proposal:
> {{{
> Title: Labour Payment
> Adoption Index: 1.0
> Author: juniper
> Co-author(s):
>
> Amed rule 2683, 'The Boulder', by replacing
> {
>   When a player pushes the Boulder, its Height is increased by 1.
> }
> with
> {
>   When a player pushes the Boulder, its Height is increased by 1, and e
> receives 1 spendie. If e pushes the Boulder such that the Boulder's Height
> is equal to 99, e receives 1 spendie for every active player.
> }
> }}}
> --
>
> juniper :)
>


DIS: Re: BUS: A Self-Explanatory Proposal

2024-05-19 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Okay. I'll keep this in mind. However, I should then withdraw this
(later). I'm trying to create a Diplomacy-style second-guessing
scheme, where you want to do things not because the results help you
but because the actual action helps you. Metarule means it's a rule
about rules, and nothing else.

On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 11:43, Janet Cobb via agora-business
 wrote:
>
> On 5/19/24 21:37, Matt Smyth via agora-business wrote:
> > I submit the following proposal:
> > {{{
> > Proposal Title: Recursion
> > Adoption Index: 1.0
> > Author: Juniper
> > Co-authors:
> >
> > Enact the following rule, with the title 'Metarule 1' and the following 
> > text:
> >
> > {
> >
> > If a player creates a proposal that passes but e did not vote for eir
> > own proposal, e obtains 5 spendies.
> >
> > }
> >
> > }}}
> >
> > juniper
>
>
> This doesn't work because it would trigger at the time of the creation,
> but the result isn't knowable at that time. Also, "passes" is not
> defined for proposals. This would need to be "When a referendum is
> resolved as ADOPTED and the author of the associated proposal does not
> have a valid ballot on that referendum resolving to FOR, e gains 5
> spendies."
>
> However, incentivizing votes has resulted in problems before, so I don't
> think this is a good idea policy-wise. What gameplay are you hoping to
> create here?
>
> Finally, can I also ask what is meant by "Metarule 1" here?
>
> --
> Janet Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
>


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder for Proposals 9102-9110

2024-05-15 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I object. I am should not be humiliated and do not feel as such.

On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 17:37, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> I am very humiliated.
>
> (So much so that I voted)
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 6:40 AM Agora amdw42 via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > I object to being humiliated
> >
> > ——
> > Ben
> > 
> > From: agora-discussion  on
> > behalf of 4st nomic via agora-discussion 
> > Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:39:19 PM
> > To: Agora Nomic discussions (DF) 
> > Cc: 4st nomic <4st.no...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder for
> > Proposals 9102-9110
> >
> > I would also like to help humiliate the so named. :P
> >
> > On Mon, May 6, 2024, 8:01 PM Janet Cobb via agora-official <
> > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> > > For each of Proposals 9102-9110, I hereby publish a humiliating public
> > > reminder naming the following slackers:
> > >
> > > Gaelan, cuddlybanana, ais523, Aris, Yachay Wayllukuq, kiako, Kate, Goren
> > > Barak, Ben, Jimmy, Liz Wake, Mercury, Maloney, mcdg, LegallyBearded,
> > > Jackrabbit, Jaff, Quadrantal, Juniper, mqyhlkahu, omd.
> > >
> > > Please feel humiliated.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Janet Cobb
> > >
> > > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
> > >
> > >
> >


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Collector] (@Illuminator) Stamp Raffle Results (THE GREAT STAMP HEIST)

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
And at what point in the rules does it say when you are able to close
registration for the raffle? The emails seem to show that you started,
registered, then closed the raffle within about ten minutes. Surely there's
something to prevent this from happening?

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 10:37 am secretsnail9 via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:06 PM Matt Smyth via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 10:04 am secretsnail9 via agora-business, <
> > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I temporarily deputize as Collector to publish the following Raffle
> > Result.
> > >
> > > Raffle Participants:
> > > snail
> > >
> > > Raffle Winner:
> > > snail
> > > --
> > > snail
> > >
> > So you collected your own stamp?
> > ___
> > Juniper
> >
> > >
> >
>
> I got every stamp owned by Agora, which is a lot more than just 1 stamp i
> think. Getting together the collector's report now (just gonna deputize
> again).
> --
> snail
>


DIS: Re: BUS: An Overpowering Proposal

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I edit the proposal as such:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 9:41 am Matt Smyth via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I submit the following proposal:
>
> {{{
> Title: An Overpowering Proposal
> Adoption Index: 1.0
> Author: juniper
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Amend Rule 2472 (Office Incompatibilities) by appending
>
> {
> If, at least three days after becoming Overpowered, a player is still
> Overpowered,
> and e was Overpowered for all of those days, then the player can
> declare a Dictatorship, and declare emself a Dictator
>
by making an announcement which includes the text "I declare a
Dictatorship" and proof the criteria for Dictatorship was met three days
ago. If there is insufficient evidence, the player attempting to be
Dictator loses voting rights for twenty-three hours and fifty-nine minutes
from the time they declared a Dictatorship.

> }
>
> }}}
>
>
> I submit the following proposal, enacted only if An Overpowering Proposal
> is enacted:
>
> {{{
> Title: Dictator Takes the Quorum
> Adoption Index: 1.0
> Author: juniper
> Co-authors:
>
> Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by appending
>
> {
> If there is currently a player who is a Dictator, eir vote counts as one
> less than the current Quorum
>
multiplied by the default voting strength.

> }
>
> }}}
> --
> Juniper
>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An Overpowering Proposal

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I'll modify the proposal

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 10:05 am Matt Smyth,  wrote:

> My idea was quorum-minus-one times default voting, so that it takes e.g.
> if there were eleven voters then dictator would count as 5 votes (or voting
> strength, etc.) if one person has one vote. This means it requires the
> Dictator and one player to vote the same way for a proposal to pass.
>
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 9:59 am secretsnail9 via agora-discussion, <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 6:41 PM Matt Smyth via agora-business <
>> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I submit the following proposal:
>> >
>> > {{{
>> > Title: An Overpowering Proposal
>> > Adoption Index: 1.0
>> > Author: juniper
>> > Co-authors:
>> >
>> >
>> > Amend Rule 2472 (Office Incompatibilities) by appending
>> >
>> > {
>> > If, three days after becoming Overpowered, a player is still
>> Overpowered,
>> > and e was Overpowered for all of those three days, then the player can
>> > declare a Dictatorship, and declare emself a Dictator.
>> > }
>> >
>>
>> This doesn't have a method for becoming dictator (by announcement, for
>> example) and only allows it at a single instant, exactly 3 days after
>> being
>> overpowered.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > }}}
>> >
>> >
>> > I submit the following proposal, enacted only if An Overpowering
>> Proposal
>> > is enacted:
>> >
>> > {{{
>> > Title: Dictator Takes the Quorum
>> > Adoption Index: 1.0
>> > Author: juniper
>> > Co-authors:
>> >
>> > Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by appending
>> >
>> > {
>> > If there is currently a player who is a Dictator, eir vote counts as one
>> > less than the current Quorum.
>> > }
>> >
>> > }}}
>> > --
>> > Juniper
>> >
>>
>> how does ones vote count as... 6... 6 what? we have voting strength, that
>> could work. it's default of 3, though, so this isnt too powerful.
>>
>> --
>> snail
>>
>


DIS: Re: BUS: [Collector] (@Illuminator) Stamp Raffle Results (THE GREAT STAMP HEIST)

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 10:04 am secretsnail9 via agora-business, <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I temporarily deputize as Collector to publish the following Raffle Result.
>
> Raffle Participants:
> snail
>
> Raffle Winner:
> snail
> --
> snail
>
So you collected your own stamp?
___
Juniper

>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An Overpowering Proposal

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
My idea was quorum-minus-one times default voting, so that it takes e.g. if
there were eleven voters then dictator would count as 5 votes (or voting
strength, etc.) if one person has one vote. This means it requires the
Dictator and one player to vote the same way for a proposal to pass.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 9:59 am secretsnail9 via agora-discussion, <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 6:41 PM Matt Smyth via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > I submit the following proposal:
> >
> > {{{
> > Title: An Overpowering Proposal
> > Adoption Index: 1.0
> > Author: juniper
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Amend Rule 2472 (Office Incompatibilities) by appending
> >
> > {
> > If, three days after becoming Overpowered, a player is still Overpowered,
> > and e was Overpowered for all of those three days, then the player can
> > declare a Dictatorship, and declare emself a Dictator.
> > }
> >
>
> This doesn't have a method for becoming dictator (by announcement, for
> example) and only allows it at a single instant, exactly 3 days after being
> overpowered.
>
>
> >
> > }}}
> >
> >
> > I submit the following proposal, enacted only if An Overpowering Proposal
> > is enacted:
> >
> > {{{
> > Title: Dictator Takes the Quorum
> > Adoption Index: 1.0
> > Author: juniper
> > Co-authors:
> >
> > Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) by appending
> >
> > {
> > If there is currently a player who is a Dictator, eir vote counts as one
> > less than the current Quorum.
> > }
> >
> > }}}
> > --
> > Juniper
> >
>
> how does ones vote count as... 6... 6 what? we have voting strength, that
> could work. it's default of 3, though, so this isnt too powerful.
>
> --
> snail
>


DIS: Self-Promotion

2024-04-20 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
Good something to you all,
Is there a circumstance where the Promoter is allowed to promote themselves
to some role, or when (rarely) creating a new role, do we assume the
Promoter cannot do this self-despotism?