Re: DIS: Most Welcome
Maybe we should bring back the map. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:47 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> >> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> I’m rather more pleased than you might have expected to see that Perth’s >>> location is -correctly- noted in both maps. >> >> The first ASCII map I remember I think was someone's USENET signature. It >> was also of Australia, and Perth was the _only_ thing marked on it. > > Well remembered. That’s what I had in mind, too - in fact, I posted that very > map to a Slack discussion at work today. > > -o > signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: DIS: Most Welcome
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:47 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> I’m rather more pleased than you might have expected to see that Perth’s >> location is -correctly- noted in both maps. > > The first ASCII map I remember I think was someone's USENET signature. It was > also of Australia, and Perth was the _only_ thing marked on it. Well remembered. That’s what I had in mind, too - in fact, I posted that very map to a Slack discussion at work today. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
Re: DIS: Most Welcome
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: I’m rather more pleased than you might have expected to see that Perth’s location is -correctly- noted in both maps. The first ASCII map I remember I think was someone's USENET signature. It was also of Australia, and Perth was the _only_ thing marked on it. Greetings, Ørjan.
Re: DIS: Most Welcome
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: >> I mean, there's no scam here - The parade merely gives future permission to >> add to it - >> it's a standard convention to not burn down people's scam monuments if they >> aren't >> disruptive - but the parade notes that you may add to it and that's legit. > > A perfectly cromulent interpretation is that the definition of "most welcome" > is whether > a change is welcomed through the proposal process. > > The prototype of this kind of things is the Map of Agora, created by a sort-of > scam (I think) but later graffitied with our names whenever we felt like > proposing it. > > It started out looking like this: > > -- > > Rule 2105/0 (Power=1) > The Map of Agora > > _/| > DARWIN -> \_ |/ | / \ > __// | | > <- DSV / /| \ > _ \ \_ | \ > MORNINGTON CRESCENT ->/| <- GREAT BARRIER REEF > _ _/ | \_/\_/ \ > / \\ <- SHARK BAY | | >/| | \ <- TOWNSVILLE > ___/| | \_ > __/| | | > / | | \ >/ O <- L. DISAPPOINTMENT|/\ > | | | |_ > | | | EMERALD -> \ > \ |__=_, \ >/|| | <- BRISBANE >\ O <- LT. ANNE MOORE|__ _\ > \ ||___/ \/ | > |__/\ <- TARCOOLA / LORD HOWE -> > \ __/\_ / / > PERTH -> | _ __/ | /| IVANHOE -> | <- WOLLONGONG > /_/ \/ \ / / | / > |_ / <- ESPERANTO v /__ |_/ <- CANBERRA >\_/ \| \__| >|| \__/ > \___=_ ___| > MELBOURNE -> \/ > > /\__ > | | > | / > \_/ <- HOBART > > -- > > > And ended up looking like this, just before repeal: > > -- > > Rule 2105/5 (Power=1) > The Map of Agora > > _/| > DARWIN -> \_ |/ | / \ > __// | | > <- DSV / /| \ > _ \ \_ | \ > MORNINGTON CRESCENT ->/| <- GOETHE BARRIER > _ _/ | \_/\_/ \ REEF > / \\ <- SHARK BAY | | >/| | \ <- TOWNSVILLE > ___/| | \_ > __/| | .___o ) | > / | | ~~vv ===~~~ <-OSCAR'S MIRE >/ O <- SHERLOCK NESS | |/\ > | | | |_ > | | | EMERALD -> \ > \ |__=_, \ BRISBANE >/|| | <-' >\ O <- LT. ANNE MOORE|__ _\ > \ ||___/ \/ | LORD > |__/\ <- TARACOOLA / HOWE -> > \ PERTH __/\_ / / > | <-' _ __/ | /| IVANHOE -> | <-. > /_/ \/ \ / / | / WOLLONGONG > |_ / <- ESPERANTO v /__ |_/ <- CANBERRA >\_/ \| \__| > __ __ || \__/ \_ > __ \ / __ \___=_ ___|\_ > / \ | / \ MANUBOURNE -> \/ NEW C.LAND \} > \|/ \) >_,.---v---._ /\__ )`-'] > /\__/\ /\| | COOK SCSTRAIGHT(! > \_ _/ /
Re: DIS: Most Welcome
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:15 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: > > I mean, there's no scam here - The parade merely gives future permission > to add to it - > > it's a standard convention to not burn down people's scam monuments if > they aren't > > disruptive - but the parade notes that you may add to it and that's > legit. > > A perfectly cromulent interpretation is that the definition of "most > welcome" is whether > a change is welcomed through the proposal process. > > The prototype of this kind of things is the Map of Agora, created by a > sort-of > scam (I think) but later graffitied with our names whenever we felt like > proposing it. > > It started out looking like this: > > -- > > Rule 2105/0 (Power=1) > The Map of Agora > > _/| > DARWIN -> \_ |/ | / \ >__// | | > <- DSV / /| \ > _ \ \_ | \ >MORNINGTON CRESCENT ->/| <- GREAT BARRIER > REEF > _ _/ | \_/\_/ \ > / \\ <- SHARK BAY | | > /| | \ <- TOWNSVILLE > ___/| | \_ > __/| | | > / | | \ > / O <- L. DISAPPOINTMENT|/\ >| | | |_ >| | | EMERALD -> \ >\ |__=_, \ > /|| | <- BRISBANE > \ O <- LT. ANNE MOORE|__ _\ > \ ||___/ \/ | > |__/\ <- TARCOOLA / LORD HOWE -> > \ __/\_ / / > PERTH -> | _ __/ | /| IVANHOE -> | <- WOLLONGONG >/_/ \/ \ / / | / > |_ / <- ESPERANTO v /__ |_/ <- CANBERRA > \_/ \| \__| > || \__/ > \___=_ ___| > MELBOURNE -> \/ > > /\__ > | | > | / > \_/ <- HOBART > > -- > > > And ended up looking like this, just before repeal: > > -- > > Rule 2105/5 (Power=1) > The Map of Agora > > _/| > DARWIN -> \_ |/ | / \ >__// | | > <- DSV / /| \ > _ \ \_ | \ >MORNINGTON CRESCENT ->/| <- GOETHE BARRIER > _ _/ | \_/\_/ \ REEF > / \\ <- SHARK BAY | | > /| | \ <- TOWNSVILLE > ___/| | \_ > __/| | .___o ) | > / | | ~~vv ===~~~ <-OSCAR'S MIRE > / O <- SHERLOCK NESS | |/\ >| | | |_ >| | | EMERALD -> \ >\ |__=_, \ BRISBANE > /|| | <-' > \ O <- LT. ANNE MOORE|__ _\ > \ ||___/ \/ | LORD > |__/\ <- TARACOOLA / HOWE -> > \ PERTH __/\_ / / >| <-' _ __/ | /| IVANHOE -> | <-. >/_/ \/ \ / / | / WOLLONGONG > |_ / <- ESPERANTO v /__ |_/ <- CANBERRA > \_/ \| \__| >__ __ || \__/ \_ > __ \ / __ \___=_ ___|\_ > / \ | / \ MANUBOURNE -> \/ NEW C.LAND \} > \|/ \) > _,.---v---._ /\__ )`-'] >/\__/\ /\
Re: DIS: Most Welcome
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: > I mean, there's no scam here - The parade merely gives future permission to > add to it - > it's a standard convention to not burn down people's scam monuments if they > aren't > disruptive - but the parade notes that you may add to it and that's legit. A perfectly cromulent interpretation is that the definition of "most welcome" is whether a change is welcomed through the proposal process. The prototype of this kind of things is the Map of Agora, created by a sort-of scam (I think) but later graffitied with our names whenever we felt like proposing it. It started out looking like this: -- Rule 2105/0 (Power=1) The Map of Agora _/| DARWIN -> \_ |/ | / \ __// | | <- DSV / /| \ _ \ \_ | \ MORNINGTON CRESCENT ->/| <- GREAT BARRIER REEF _ _/ | \_/\_/ \ / \\ <- SHARK BAY | | /| | \ <- TOWNSVILLE ___/| | \_ __/| | | / | | \ / O <- L. DISAPPOINTMENT|/\ | | | |_ | | | EMERALD -> \ \ |__=_, \ /|| | <- BRISBANE \ O <- LT. ANNE MOORE|__ _\ \ ||___/ \/ | |__/\ <- TARCOOLA / LORD HOWE -> \ __/\_ / / PERTH -> | _ __/ | /| IVANHOE -> | <- WOLLONGONG /_/ \/ \ / / | / |_ / <- ESPERANTO v /__ |_/ <- CANBERRA \_/ \| \__| || \__/ \___=_ ___| MELBOURNE -> \/ /\__ | | | / \_/ <- HOBART -- And ended up looking like this, just before repeal: -- Rule 2105/5 (Power=1) The Map of Agora _/| DARWIN -> \_ |/ | / \ __// | | <- DSV / /| \ _ \ \_ | \ MORNINGTON CRESCENT ->/| <- GOETHE BARRIER _ _/ | \_/\_/ \ REEF / \\ <- SHARK BAY | | /| | \ <- TOWNSVILLE ___/| | \_ __/| | .___o ) | / | | ~~vv ===~~~ <-OSCAR'S MIRE / O <- SHERLOCK NESS | |/\ | | | |_ | | | EMERALD -> \ \ |__=_, \ BRISBANE /|| | <-' \ O <- LT. ANNE MOORE|__ _\ \ ||___/ \/ | LORD |__/\ <- TARACOOLA / HOWE -> \ PERTH __/\_ / / | <-' _ __/ | /| IVANHOE -> | <-. /_/ \/ \ / / | / WOLLONGONG |_ / <- ESPERANTO v /__ |_/ <- CANBERRA \_/ \| \__| __ __ || \__/ \_ __ \ / __ \___=_ ___|\_ / \ | / \ MANUBOURNE -> \/ NEW C.LAND \} \|/ \) _,.---v---._ /\__ )`-'] /\__/\ /\| | COOK SCSTRAIGHT(! \_ _/ / \| / MICHAELTON->) / \ \_| @ __|\_/ <- HOBART|^\ (_/ \\_
Re: DIS: Most Welcome
I mean, there's no scam here - The parade merely gives future permission to add to it - it's a standard convention to not burn down people's scam monuments if they aren't disruptive - but the parade notes that you may add to it and that's legit. Most welcome isn't defined, and thus disrespecting that can't be cardable. On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:22 PM CuddleBeam wrote: > Could be a bit silly but here I go: > > We got "AND FURTHERMORE, additions to this Parade are most welcome when > Events suiting the honour should occur." > > We don't have an explicit definition for "Events" (or at least, I haven't > found one), so I believe that just making it up as an unregulated action > would be the way to go. And if so, you could just make up whatever > convenient amount and scheduled for a would-be event and never actually do > it to satisfy the "when Events suiting the honour should occur." condition, > because it's when they *should* occur, not necessarily when they actually > do or something. > > With that, we can engineer to have this "additions to this Parade are most > welcome" be true for a convenient period of time. And with that, we can > make a proposal that adds some game-winning or other arbitrary content to > that Rule. > > If people vote against it - and this is the scam (but it's weak, much like > how using "Treat Agora Good Forever" as a way to accuse people can be > considered wishy-washy) - you can just threaten them with carding up their > ass, since they're preventing the entry of something that is MOST welcome! > That's really really welcome! It should totally get in, according to those > codified ethics! Are you against them, hrm? Are you that much of a bad > sport? > > Anyway, that's the silly scam lol. > > >
DIS: Most Welcome
Could be a bit silly but here I go: We got "AND FURTHERMORE, additions to this Parade are most welcome when Events suiting the honour should occur." We don't have an explicit definition for "Events" (or at least, I haven't found one), so I believe that just making it up as an unregulated action would be the way to go. And if so, you could just make up whatever convenient amount and scheduled for a would-be event and never actually do it to satisfy the "when Events suiting the honour should occur." condition, because it's when they *should* occur, not necessarily when they actually do or something. With that, we can engineer to have this "additions to this Parade are most welcome" be true for a convenient period of time. And with that, we can make a proposal that adds some game-winning or other arbitrary content to that Rule. If people vote against it - and this is the scam (but it's weak, much like how using "Treat Agora Good Forever" as a way to accuse people can be considered wishy-washy) - you can just threaten them with carding up their ass, since they're preventing the entry of something that is MOST welcome! That's really really welcome! It should totally get in, according to those codified ethics! Are you against them, hrm? Are you that much of a bad sport? Anyway, that's the silly scam lol.
