DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
Do you mean when I was Treasuror? I was already fined by G. for that, you'll need to point out a specific week when I didn't publish a report and for which I hadn't been fined yet. Also note that I can't be fined for something that happened more than 14 days ago. ~Corona On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Rebecca wrote: > I point a finger at Corona for missing multiple instances of this report. > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Ned Strange > wrote: > > holy shit i have 19 paper and 80 coins i'm a rich boi maybe i should > > actually pay attention to this land system > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:12 AM, Corona > wrote: > >> > >> (This report is also a revision of the last report) > >> > >> > >> > >> +-++++---+++ > ++++ > >> |Entity > >> |Ston|Appl|Corn|Ore|Lmbr|Cotn|Coin|Papr|Fabr|Incs| > >> > >> +-++++---+++ > ++++ > >> |ATMunn | 6| 32| 1| 0| 7| 0| 64| 14| 0| > >> 14| > >> |Aris | 5| 30| 9| 0| 5| 0| 97| 7| 0| > >> 11| > >> |Corona | 34| 72| 25| 0| 10| 27| 90| 29| 0| > >> 20| > >> |CuddleBeam | 11| 18| 9| 4| 8| 9| 50| 10| 0| > >> 11| > >> |G. | 25| 99| 15| 0| 18| 0| 221| 52| 0| > >> 33| > >> |Gaelan | 14| 28| 2| 6| 2| 0| 47| 10| 0| > >> 11| > >> |Kenyon | 14| 37| 4| 6| 20| 3| 45| 9| 0| > >> 11| > >> |Murphy | 5| 30| 4| 0| 8| 0| 70| 11| 0| > >> 11| > >> |PSS | 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 10| 2| 0| > >> 3| > >> |Quazie | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Telnaior | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Trigon | 3| 25| 12| 2| 4| 12| 32| 7| 0| > >> 11| > >> > >> |twg | 5| 15| 0| 0| 5| 0| 20| 5| 0| > >> 3| > >> |VJ Rada | 10| 55| 2| 0| 10| 0| 80| 19| 0| > >> 11| > >> |nichdel | 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 10| 2| 0| > >> 3| > >> |o| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |omd | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Ouri | 0| 10| 0| 0| 0| 0| 24| 4| 0| > >> 11| > >> |pokes| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |天火狐| 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 10| 2| 0| > 3| > >> > >> +-++++---+++ > ++++ > >> |farm at 1,-1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |mine at -1,-1| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |mine at 1,1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |orchard at -1,1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Corona’s refinery at -1,1| 0| 0| 0| 33| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Corona’s mine at -1,1| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Corona’s orchard at -1,1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |ATMunn’s farm at 1,3 | 0| 0| 9| 0| 0| 9| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |FPW | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Agora| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 349| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> > >> +-++++---+++ > ++++ > >> > >> The following abbreviations are used in the table above: > >> > >> Ston = stone > >> > >> Appl = apples > >> > >> Lmbr = lumber > >> > >> Cotn = cotton > >> > >> Coin = coins > >> > >> Papr = papers > >> > >> Fabr = fabric > >> > >> Incs = incense > >> > >> > >> > >> PSS = Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > >> > >> FPW = Finger Pointing Workaround > >> > >> > >> > >> Recent changes (most recent first, times in UTC, non-self-ratifying): > >> > >> [Sun Jun 10 19:44:17] Corona built & upgraded facilities, spending 3 > >> apples, 11 coins, 13 lumber and 19 stones; Corona also put all eir ore > in > >> a > >> refinery > >> > >> [Sun Jun 10 19:32:46] Corona, via Quazie, looted all public facilities, > >> spending 8 apples to move around > >> > >> [Sun Jun 3 18:46:43] G. expunged a blot with 1 incense > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 18:17:07] Telnaior (acted on behalf of by G.) moved around > >> using > >> a bug, destroying 6 apples, 10 coins total > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 17:29:46] Trigon attempted to loot the public orchard > (-1,1). E > >> is standing elsewhere though. > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 17:07:37] G. moved around, destroying 6 coins, 1 apple total > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 16:55:04] G. robbed the graves of o, omd, Telnaior, pokes > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 16:42:03] o (acted on behalf of by G.)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
That is not a crime. On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:13 AM Rebecca wrote: > > I point a finger at Corona for missing multiple instances of this report. > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Ned Strange wrote: > > holy shit i have 19 paper and 80 coins i'm a rich boi maybe i should > > actually pay attention to this land system > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:12 AM, Corona wrote: > >> > >> (This report is also a revision of the last report) > >> > >> > >> > >> +-++++---+++++++ > >> |Entity > >> |Ston|Appl|Corn|Ore|Lmbr|Cotn|Coin|Papr|Fabr|Incs| > >> > >> +-++++---+++++++ > >> |ATMunn | 6| 32| 1| 0| 7| 0| 64| 14| 0| > >> 14| > >> |Aris | 5| 30| 9| 0| 5| 0| 97| 7| 0| > >> 11| > >> |Corona | 34| 72| 25| 0| 10| 27| 90| 29| 0| > >> 20| > >> |CuddleBeam | 11| 18| 9| 4| 8| 9| 50| 10| 0| > >> 11| > >> |G. | 25| 99| 15| 0| 18| 0| 221| 52| 0| > >> 33| > >> |Gaelan | 14| 28| 2| 6| 2| 0| 47| 10| 0| > >> 11| > >> |Kenyon | 14| 37| 4| 6| 20| 3| 45| 9| 0| > >> 11| > >> |Murphy | 5| 30| 4| 0| 8| 0| 70| 11| 0| > >> 11| > >> |PSS | 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 10| 2| 0| > >> 3| > >> |Quazie | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Telnaior | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Trigon | 3| 25| 12| 2| 4| 12| 32| 7| 0| > >> 11| > >> > >> |twg | 5| 15| 0| 0| 5| 0| 20| 5| 0| > >> 3| > >> |VJ Rada | 10| 55| 2| 0| 10| 0| 80| 19| 0| > >> 11| > >> |nichdel | 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 10| 2| 0| > >> 3| > >> |o| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |omd | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Ouri | 0| 10| 0| 0| 0| 0| 24| 4| 0| > >> 11| > >> |pokes| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |天火狐| 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 10| 2| 0| 3| > >> > >> +-++++---+++++++ > >> |farm at 1,-1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |mine at -1,-1| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |mine at 1,1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |orchard at -1,1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Corona’s refinery at -1,1| 0| 0| 0| 33| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Corona’s mine at -1,1| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Corona’s orchard at -1,1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |ATMunn’s farm at 1,3 | 0| 0| 9| 0| 0| 9| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |FPW | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> |Agora| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 349| 0| 0| > >> 0| > >> > >> +-++++---+++++++ > >> > >> The following abbreviations are used in the table above: > >> > >> Ston = stone > >> > >> Appl = apples > >> > >> Lmbr = lumber > >> > >> Cotn = cotton > >> > >> Coin = coins > >> > >> Papr = papers > >> > >> Fabr = fabric > >> > >> Incs = incense > >> > >> > >> > >> PSS = Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > >> > >> FPW = Finger Pointing Workaround > >> > >> > >> > >> Recent changes (most recent first, times in UTC, non-self-ratifying): > >> > >> [Sun Jun 10 19:44:17] Corona built & upgraded facilities, spending 3 > >> apples, 11 coins, 13 lumber and 19 stones; Corona also put all eir ore in > >> a > >> refinery > >> > >> [Sun Jun 10 19:32:46] Corona, via Quazie, looted all public facilities, > >> spending 8 apples to move around > >> > >> [Sun Jun 3 18:46:43] G. expunged a blot with 1 incense > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 18:17:07] Telnaior (acted on behalf of by G.) moved around > >> using > >> a bug, destroying 6 apples, 10 coins total > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 17:29:46] Trigon attempted to loot the public orchard (-1,1). E > >> is standing elsewhere though. > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 17:07:37] G. moved around, destroying 6 coins, 1 apple total > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 16:55:04] G. robbed the graves of o, omd, Telnaior, pokes > >> > >> [Fri Jun 1 16:42:03] o (acted on behalf of by G.) moved around using a > >> bug, > >> destroying 5 apples, 10 coins total > >> > >> [Fri Jun 01 00:00] new month began (payday). Some facilities were > >> destroyed > >> > >> [Thu May 24 21:46:42] twg registered and got a welcome package > >> > >> [Mon May 21 05:39:56 UTC 2018]
Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
I suppose there's rule 2143/27, which says: A person SHALL NOT publish information that is inaccurate or misleading while performing an official duty, or within a document purporting to be part of any person or office's weekly or monthly report. But the statement "Corona intends to win by Apathy without objection" was perfectly accurate, so I don't think it applies here. Maybe one could argue that its position within the document was misleading, but does the location of a piece of information count as information itself? -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June 11, 2018 11:49 AM, Corona wrote: > > > CFJs can only interpret rules, and I don't know any rules that could be > > reasonably construed to mean that what I did was illegal. > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: Ned Strange edwardostra...@gmail.com > > Date: Monday, June 11, 2018 > > Subject: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more > > wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always > > To: "Agora Nomic discussions (DF)" agora-discussion@agoranomic.org > > Don't we have a CFJ ruling that trying to insert apathy wins in a report > > was an abuse? Or it might have been the opposite. But I vividly remember > > such a CFJ. > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:52 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: > > > y'know, that was a silly reaction. I give 2 incense to Corona. > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > I Object to the intent. > > > > > > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this > > > > > > abuse of office. > > > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > > > > > I object to Corona's intent to win by Apathy. > > > > > > > > I nominate myself for Treasuror. > > > > > > > > -twg > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > > > > > On June 10, 2018 8:12 PM, Corona liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > [Sun Jun 10 22:12] This line is not a part of the report. Corona > > > > > > > > > > intends to > > > > > > > win by Apathy without objection. > > -- > > From V.J. Rada > > > -- > > ~Corona
Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
CFJs can only interpret rules, and I don't know any rules that could be reasonably construed to mean that what I did was illegal. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Ned Strange* Date: Monday, June 11, 2018 Subject: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always To: "Agora Nomic discussions (DF)" Don't we have a CFJ ruling that trying to insert apathy wins in a report was an abuse? Or it might have been the opposite. But I vividly remember such a CFJ. On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > y'know, that was a silly reaction. I give 2 incense to Corona. > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I Object to the intent. > > > > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this > > abuse of office. > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I object to Corona's intent to win by Apathy. > > > > > > I nominate myself for Treasuror. > > > > > > -twg > > > > > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > > > On June 10, 2018 8:12 PM, Corona wrote: > > > > > > > [Sun Jun 10 22:12] This line is not a part of the report. Corona > intends to > > > win by Apathy without objection. > > > > > > -- >From V.J. Rada -- ~Corona
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
It's a really badly written paragraph (I wrote it) and unreadable, so my apologies for that. I couldn't be bothered to make a numbered list that made sense On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Ah, I misread a conjunction in that rule. apologies. > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > See Rule 2531, which requires, among other things, that the > > perpetrator did some action prohibited by law. You haven't named a > > rule that Corona violated. > > > > -Aris > > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > > > > > > > This one I think? Did I use it wrong? > > > > > > Rule 2479/5 (Power=1.7) > > > Official Justice > > > > > >The Referee CAN, subject to the provisions of this rule, impose > > >Summary Judgment on a person who plays the game by levying a > fine > > >of up to 2 blots on em. Summary Judgement is imposed on the > > >Referee's own initiative, and not in response to any official > > >proceeding. > > > > > >The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three > times > > >a week. > > > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > >> Excuse me, but under which provision of which rule? > > >> > > >> -Aris > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I Object to the intent. > > >> > > > >> > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this > > >> > abuse of office. > > >> > > > >> > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > >> >> I object to Corona's intent to win by Apathy. > > >> >> > > >> >> I nominate myself for Treasuror. > > >> >> > > >> >> -twg > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > >> >> > > >> >> On June 10, 2018 8:12 PM, Corona > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > [Sun Jun 10 22:12] This line is not a part of the report. Corona > intends to > > >> >> win by Apathy without objection. > > >> >> > > >> > > > -- >From V.J. Rada
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
Don't we have a CFJ ruling that trying to insert apathy wins in a report was an abuse? Or it might have been the opposite. But I vividly remember such a CFJ. On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > y'know, that was a silly reaction. I give 2 incense to Corona. > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I Object to the intent. > > > > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this > > abuse of office. > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I object to Corona's intent to win by Apathy. > > > > > > I nominate myself for Treasuror. > > > > > > -twg > > > > > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > > > On June 10, 2018 8:12 PM, Corona wrote: > > > > > > > [Sun Jun 10 22:12] This line is not a part of the report. Corona > intends to > > > win by Apathy without objection. > > > > > > -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
Ah, I misread a conjunction in that rule. apologies. On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > See Rule 2531, which requires, among other things, that the > perpetrator did some action prohibited by law. You haven't named a > rule that Corona violated. > > -Aris > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > This one I think? Did I use it wrong? > > > > Rule 2479/5 (Power=1.7) > > Official Justice > > > >The Referee CAN, subject to the provisions of this rule, impose > >Summary Judgment on a person who plays the game by levying a fine > >of up to 2 blots on em. Summary Judgement is imposed on the > >Referee's own initiative, and not in response to any official > >proceeding. > > > >The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three times > >a week. > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > >> Excuse me, but under which provision of which rule? > >> > >> -Aris > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > I Object to the intent. > >> > > >> > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this > >> > abuse of office. > >> > > >> > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > >> >> I object to Corona's intent to win by Apathy. > >> >> > >> >> I nominate myself for Treasuror. > >> >> > >> >> -twg > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > >> >> > >> >> On June 10, 2018 8:12 PM, Corona wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > [Sun Jun 10 22:12] This line is not a part of the report. Corona > >> >> > intends to > >> >> win by Apathy without objection. > >> >> > >> >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
See Rule 2531, which requires, among other things, that the perpetrator did some action prohibited by law. You haven't named a rule that Corona violated. -Aris On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > This one I think? Did I use it wrong? > > Rule 2479/5 (Power=1.7) > Official Justice > >The Referee CAN, subject to the provisions of this rule, impose >Summary Judgment on a person who plays the game by levying a fine >of up to 2 blots on em. Summary Judgement is imposed on the >Referee's own initiative, and not in response to any official >proceeding. > >The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three times >a week. > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: >> Excuse me, but under which provision of which rule? >> >> -Aris >> >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > >> > >> > I Object to the intent. >> > >> > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this >> > abuse of office. >> > >> > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >> >> I object to Corona's intent to win by Apathy. >> >> >> >> I nominate myself for Treasuror. >> >> >> >> -twg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> >> >> >> On June 10, 2018 8:12 PM, Corona wrote: >> >> >> >> > [Sun Jun 10 22:12] This line is not a part of the report. Corona >> >> > intends to >> >> win by Apathy without objection. >> >> >>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
This one I think? Did I use it wrong? Rule 2479/5 (Power=1.7) Official Justice The Referee CAN, subject to the provisions of this rule, impose Summary Judgment on a person who plays the game by levying a fine of up to 2 blots on em. Summary Judgement is imposed on the Referee's own initiative, and not in response to any official proceeding. The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three times a week. On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Excuse me, but under which provision of which rule? > > -Aris > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > I Object to the intent. > > > > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this > > abuse of office. > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > >> I object to Corona's intent to win by Apathy. > >> > >> I nominate myself for Treasuror. > >> > >> -twg > >> > >> > >> > >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > >> > >> On June 10, 2018 8:12 PM, Corona wrote: > >> > >> > [Sun Jun 10 22:12] This line is not a part of the report. Corona intends > >> > to > >> win by Apathy without objection. > >> >
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always
Excuse me, but under which provision of which rule? -Aris On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I Object to the intent. > > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this > abuse of office. > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >> I object to Corona's intent to win by Apathy. >> >> I nominate myself for Treasuror. >> >> -twg >> >> >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> >> On June 10, 2018 8:12 PM, Corona wrote: >> >> > [Sun Jun 10 22:12] This line is not a part of the report. Corona intends to >> win by Apathy without objection. >>
