Re: [Proto-Contract] LoAFER (was: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3)
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:05:29 PM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On 2020-05-24 18:47, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote:
> > it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the
> > promotor had published eir draft but before the distribution
>
> I think we need to respect and help officers more in general.
>
> Thoughts on this fun proto-contract I whipped up?
Wonder if we could make this a sort of bet. Every week members of the contract
put 1 or 2 coins in and everyone who doesn't violate it gets a cut of the pot
(leaving remainders for next time)?
>
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> League of Agorans Facilitating Accurate Recordkeeping
>
> Parties to this contract should attempt to help the officers of Agora in
> their official duties by following the guidelines of this contract,
> which are enumerated below:
>
> 1. Signaling: the act of placing in the subject text of a message to the
> effect of "[attn {Officer}]" when actions taken in the message
> pertain directly to the mentioned officer's position.
Maybe also include the other tags people already use ([Proposal], Notice of
Honor) as alternatives to 'tagging' the officer directly?
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nch
[Proto-Contract] LoAFER (was: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3)
On 2020-05-24 18:47, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote:
it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the
promotor had published eir draft but before the distribution
I think we need to respect and help officers more in general.
Thoughts on this fun proto-contract I whipped up?
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League of Agorans Facilitating Accurate Recordkeeping
Parties to this contract should attempt to help the officers of Agora in
their official duties by following the guidelines of this contract,
which are enumerated below:
1. Signaling: the act of placing in the subject text of a message to the
effect of "[attn {Officer}]" when actions taken in the message
pertain directly to the mentioned officer's position.
Parties to this contract should signal their own messages. They
should also, if a message that should be signaled lacks one, reply to
that message, signaling their own message and stating that the quoted
message conains actions that should be signaled.
A list of Offices and events that should be signaled is as follows:
* ADoP: initiation of elections, declaration of the winners of
elections, writs of IAR.
* Arbitor: Submission of CFJs, judgement of CFJs (if the judgement is
not in the same thread as its assignment), filing a Motion to
Reconsider, entering a judgement into Moot.
* Herald: awarding patent titles, publishing Notices of Honour,
submitting theses, winning the Game.
* [ TODO: Add all the offices ]
2. Respecting Drafts: the act of not performing actions that would cause
an officer to be required to update already-published drafts.
Parties to this contract should respect drafts except when urgent
action is required and when the rules require them to take said
actions.
3. [ TODO: Add more of these too ]
[ TODO: Method to change contract ]
[ TODO: Gamify this a bit? Add contract asset rewards or other
incentives for being helpful? ]
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Trigon
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:06 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 2020, at 20:58, nch via agora-business > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:50:27 PM CDT you wrote: > >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:42 PM nch via agora-business > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> Ok, here's 1.3. > >>> > >>> I cut out auctions completely because there are two proposals right now to > >>> fix them and I'd rather that dust settled first. I have a separate > >>> proposal, based on Trigon's transmutation idea, coming later tonight. > >>> That both adds a way to get Victory Points and helps us balance any card > >>> types that might end up scarce. > >>> > >>> I also reworked pending, based on G's comments. Now proposals go straight > >>> into the pool like they always did. There's a separate rule that adds a > >>> Pend switch for them, and distribution requires proposals to have > >>> Pend=True. The net effect is less direct changes to important rules, and > >>> honestly a more intuitive system. > >> > >> *groans* > >> > >> Back to non-empty proposal pool reports I see. *sigh* > >> > >> I may propose changing this at some point so that I only have to > >> report pending proposals, but that's the sort of thing that can be > >> dealt with later. > >> > >> -Aris > > > > Sorry Aris. On the plus side PSS did just point out a good tiny adjustment. > > I > > withdraw Sets v1.3 and pledge not to submit any proposals until after the > > next > > distribution. > > If we’re putting this off until the next distribution, then I’ll provide some > substantive thoughts on this matter. What if we made the author of a > non-pending proposal responsible for its record-keeping but remove the > responsibility to do so? That way the Promotor’s workload doesn’t increase, > and excess proposals would self-ratify out of existence. That seems too complicated to me. G.'s model is the way we've done it before, I just don't like it because tracking proposals that don't end up being distributed feels like unnecessary work. It does serve some utility by giving people a list of things they can pend, I just find it annoying and am prone to grumbling. In any case, I can propose to change this later. -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:52 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:47 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the > > promotor had published eir draft but before the distribution > > That's true. I'd like to apologize to the Promotor for the ways in > which I have contributed to this situation. While this situation is > best avoided, I do find it telling that even our games seem to go the > way of a workplace or real legislature with everyone working around > each other to make sure their work gets done by a certain time. It's not nearly as big a deal as it used to be. Amendments to the pending rules have made it so that I'm allowed to do reports "as of" a certain time. I try to avoid it, but I do have the option. Oh, the other problem is that I usually do my reports shortly after the beginning of the week (in part due to the weekend being the only time I have a chance to do them, combined with the way timezones work), so that makes things a bit more complicated. But I still have the option of doing a cutoff time of an instant after the beginning of the week. -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:47 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > it used to be considered somewhat rude to submit a proposal after the > promotor had published eir draft but before the distribution That's true. I'd like to apologize to the Promotor for the ways in which I have contributed to this situation. While this situation is best avoided, I do find it telling that even our games seem to go the way of a workplace or real legislature with everyone working around each other to make sure their work gets done by a certain time.
