[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2009-05-15 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri May 15 06:20:35 + 
2009 ---
Open an issue, put the link to the extension into the description and assign the
issue to me (or anybody else who volunteers to do the work - perhaps mh knows 
one). 

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2009-05-15 Thread axelb
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--- Additional comments from ax...@openoffice.org Fri May 15 08:44:04 + 
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Ok, done:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101945

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2009-05-14 Thread axelb
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--- Additional comments from ax...@openoffice.org Thu May 14 22:30:08 + 
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This is not fixed, as I see it, as each user has to install the dictionaries
themselves. The dictionaries are published as extensions here, so the
requirements should be met to include them. Could this be reopened or do I have
to open a new report?

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2009-05-14 Thread mh
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri May 15 04:28:22 + 
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@axelb: which dictionary is missing ?

prerequisite for dictionaries getting bundled/preinstalled is that the source of
the extensions is available at
http://svn.services.openoffice.org/ooo/trunk/dictionaries/

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2009-05-14 Thread axelb
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--- Additional comments from ax...@openoffice.org Fri May 15 05:24:32 + 
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I was thinking abput the Norwegian dictionaries, they are here, with link to the
source code:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/Norwegian_dictionaries

How do I add them to the mentioned svn-page?

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2009-05-14 Thread axelb
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--- Additional comments from ax...@openoffice.org Fri May 15 05:24:43 + 
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I was thinking about the Norwegian dictionaries, they are here, with link to the
source code:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/Norwegian_dictionaries

How do I add them to the mentioned svn-page?

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2008-10-06 Thread mh
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Oct  6 06:36:10 + 
2008 ---
with the release of 3.0 the dictionaries comes as a separate package
(extensions) which can be installed and de-installed independently. This kind of
aggregation of GPLd dictionaries is now established process.
Dictionaries can be bundled with OOo if the extension package as a whole has
been committed to the source code repository (module dictionaries).

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-12-14 Thread jrahemipour
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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-12-11 Thread maccy
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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-07-26 Thread thing
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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-04-21 Thread asrail
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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-03-22 Thread mba
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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-02-28 Thread mh
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 28 10:35:18 + 
2007 ---
mere aggregation seems to be possible as long as they are separated packages,
e.g. have ooo-core-package1 (with LGPL code) and ooo-dict-package2 (with GPL
dictionary data) and ooo-core-package1 is not dependent to ooo-dict-package2.
This seem to be the easy case.

remaining problems may be:

1. is it sufficient to include in the THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.html: This
software may include/aggregate the bla-dictionary under GPL license ... ?

2. On Windows (and maybe other installers the Linux rpm and Solaris pkg) all the
packages have been combined to one big install blob. Is this still aggregation ?

As long as we ensure that we can easily detach the GPL'd dictionaries with a
simple mechanism from the overall install blob all concerns should be adressed.


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-02-20 Thread axelb
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 20 11:37:21 + 
2007 ---
Why not license OOo as GPL, then implementing lgpl-code should be no problem?

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-02-20 Thread axelb
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 20 11:46:47 + 
2007 ---
We asked FSF if such an inclusion should be problematic, and the answear we got
bach was (passages marked ghk is from Gaute H. Kvalnes, a norwegian translator
of OOo):

 ghk This issue seems to boil down to a meta-question on what
 ghk compatible licenses really mean: When we combine GPL-ed and
 ghk LGPL-ed code, do the individual parts of the source code keep
 ghk their original licenses, or must they all be relicensed to GPL?

I think the answer to this is pretty staightforward, but please keep
in mind that I am not a lawyer, and that the information is possibly
not 100% complete, or that I may have misunderstood you.

 ghk I can imagine two scenarios:

 ghk 1. The LGPL-ed main part stays LGPL, while the module and the
 ghk one larger program [1] is GPL-ed. In this case, I don't quite
 ghk understand what the license on the program as a whole will
 ghk cover.

This is indeed what happens as far as I can see.

If you combine them into one package, you should treat the overall
package as if it were GPL'ed -- that will always fulfill all the
necessary conditions for the LGPL'ed code, as well, which has more
permissions than GPL'ed code, but identical requirements.

I am not sure that I understand what you mean by license on the
program as a whole in this case. Do you mean the combined package or
do you mean something else?

Quite frankly: From your descriptions it does not seem clear why you
should not be allowed to distribute OpenOffice under LGPL with GPL'ed
dictionaries as long as you yourself treat the entire package as if it
were GPL'ed, which does not seem a problem from what you described as
your objectives.

Could you tell us who said that it was not possible to do so?

There may be a misunderstanding or misinformation worth clarifying.

Regards,
Georg
--

I would suggest OOo sent a formal letter to fsf to let them legally confirm this
officially. It seeems to be a non-existent problem, that is: The dictionaries
should just be incorporated and shipped. End of story.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-02-20 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 20 12:10:19 + 
2007 ---
axelb:

Answer yourself:

if OOo is GNU GPL, can we link to non-GNU GPL licensed libraries?

Do we use any non-GPL libraries already?

Do you know what is mere aggregation?

The problem is NOT that simple as you draw it.


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-02-20 Thread gaute
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 20 12:34:29 + 
2007 ---
I hesitated to add these comments to this issue, as it's a more radical 
approach than mere aggregation.

However, let me explain the basic idea: The main part of the code stays LGPL 
like today, but is included into a larger GPL-ed program. It's possible for the 
main code to stay LGPL-ed, because LGPL is GPL compatible. But it would now 
also become possible to include additional GPL-ed components like dictionaries 
(even if not considered mere aggregation).

As for non-GPL libraries, I don't know. Is that still a problem when the main 
part of the code remains LGPL?

(There are of course a number of GPL-compatible licenses which should pose no 
problem. I don't think that's what you're talking about, though. http://
www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html )


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-02-20 Thread pescetti
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 20 13:02:32 + 
2007 ---
I received today, a few months after my request, an opinion by the Free Software
Foundation stating that the mere aggregation is feasible: the executable
program and each dictionary/thesaurus would be considered as seperate works.
Therefore their licenses do not need to be compatible.

The full e-mail exchange is below.

  Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:15:09 -0500
  From: John Steele Scott via RT licensing AT fsf.org
  To: pescetti
  Subject: [gnu.org #306930] OpenOffice.org and GPL dictionaries

 [pescetti - Fri Sep 15 09:59:36 2006]:

 Hi there,
 I would like to hear your opinion on a GPL/LGPL-related problem that we
 are studying for distribution of OpenOffice.org. I'm going to post your
 answer in the ongoing discussion at
 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=65039

 The OpenOffice.org office suite can use a dictionary and/or a thesaurus,
 which is a simple data file in a specific format (i.e., there is no
 source code for it).

 Installation packages including both OpenOffice.org and a
 dictionary/thesaurus are common.

 The availability of the dictionary/thesaurus is checked at runtime and
 OpenOffice.org enables or disables the relevant functionality
 accordingly. So OpenOffice.org can work without the dictionary/theasurus
 and, conversely, the dictionary/thesaurus can be used without
 OpenOffice.org (e.g., as a data file for command-line
 spellcheckers/thesauri).

 Would it be possible to bundle LGPL(2.1)-licensed releases of
 OpenOffice.org and GPL(=2)-licensed dictionaries in the same
 installation package?

 It is unclear whether this is mere aggregation of two packages that
 can be used independently, or whether placing the two components into
 one installation package, and the mutual benefits given by the bundle,
 forbid the interpretation as mere aggregation.

 Thanks,
 Andrea.

Dear Andrea,

Thank you for your inquiry.

First, allow me to apologise for the delay in replying to your message.
In the case you have described above, the executable program and each
dictionary/thesaurus would be considered as seperate works. Therefore
their licenses do not need to be compatible.

Sorry once again for the late reply. Please note that this is not legal
advice.

regards,

John


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2007-01-17 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 17 06:28:12 -0800 
2007 ---
Should everyone file its own private bug regarding their dictionary now?


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-12-22 Thread clytie
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 22 00:55:55 -0800 
2006 ---
This is also an issue for Vietnamese. Our existing Aspell dictionary 
(ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/
vi/) is GPL, and the current effort to create a more advanced spellchecker will 
also be GPL.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-12-22 Thread erdalronahi
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  CC|'andreschnabel,clytie,dano|'andreschnabel,clytie,dano
|hnesorg,dnaber,dprina,gaut|hnesorg,dnaber,dprina,erda
|e,laurentgodard,pescetti,t|lronahi,gaute,laurentgodar
|hing' |d,pescetti,thing'





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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-12-17 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Dec 17 05:00:46 -0800 
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How about asking authors to license the data under LGPL as well? This wouldn't
make much difference, would it? Polish dictionary (not shipped yet with OOo) is
at the same time GPL, LGPL, CC and MPL (http://www.kurnik.pl/dictionary/).

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-12-17 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Dec 17 05:08:43 -0800 
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milek_pl: so you are lucky.

Unfortunately there is no known way to ask dead authors, so this *is* an issue 
for some languages.


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-10-11 Thread laurentgodard
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User laurentgodard changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'danohnesorg,dnaber,dprina|'danohnesorg,dnaber,dprina
|,gaute,pescetti,thing'|,gaute,laurentgodard,pesce
|  |tti,thing'





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 10 23:12:46 -0700 
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1- Spellchecker is more than a list of words. It contains a .dic file, list of
words and affixes .aff file containing linguistic logic
creating this .aff file is  the tricky parts and it is absolutely understandable
it is released under licence

2- Despite the interpretation on the GPL, we can not package it among LGPL
content. Can we ?

3- using DicOOo allow to add dictionaries. many versions can be listed for a
given language (see german and recently french for example)

This legal issue is really important and yes has to be discussed

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-10-11 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 11 00:43:14 -0700 
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Yes, it is important.

No, we should not discuss it. We must wait for legal review and this is all
about this issue ;-)


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-10-11 Thread andreschnabel
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User andreschnabel changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'danohnesorg,dnaber,dprina|'andreschnabel,danohnesorg
|,gaute,laurentgodard,pesce|,dnaber,dprina,gaute,laure
|tti,thing'|ntgodard,pescetti,thing'





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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-09-15 Thread dnaber
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Sep 15 05:12:18 -0700 
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Just to summarize two very important points: 
 
1.) Including GPL'd dictionaries should be okay, as these are just lists of 
words (i.e. plain text files) which are loaded at runtime. *No* GPL'd code at 
all is involved. 
 
2.) Not distributing dictionaries is a *major* usability problem. Having 
DicOOo is nice but didn't prevent loads of user questions about how to make 
the German spellchecker work (back when it was not distributed yet). 
 

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-08-26 Thread dnaber
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Aug 26 16:16:22 -0700 
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mh: What's the status of this issue? Currently the German dictionary is 
included in OOo, but not under the GPL but under a different license which 
allows distributing the word lists with software that uses OpenDocument as its 
primary format. This license does however not allow modification which 
basically makes it impossible to fix errors without the help of wordlist 
maintainer. This is not really acceptable. 
 

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 65039] Legal review: mere aggrega tion of GNU GPL licensed dictionaries (ie. non -code data) into installation sets

2006-08-09 Thread pescetti
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User pescetti changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'danohnesorg,dnaber,gaute,|'danohnesorg,dnaber,dprina
|thing'|,gaute,pescetti,thing'





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug  9 10:38:27 -0700 
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Italian is also affected by this issue: although OOo ships with an Italian
dictionary (but without a thesaurus), we have a better Italian dictionary and a
thesaurus under the GPL license.

CCing myself and the maintainer of the GPLed Italian linguistic tools.

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