[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-24 Thread khong
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 24 10:10:45 -0800 
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I can setup a new rule to define dash as prefix and sufix of a word, not exactly
like what maccy suggested, examples, '-first-second' is broken as '-first-' and
'second', 'first- -second' is broken as 'first-' and '-second'.

If this is acceptable, I can checkin fix today. If not, I will retarget this
issue to next release, since we have run out of time.


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-23 Thread maccy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 23 00:53:12 -0800 
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khong: no, for German it's *good* to have it enabled (I filed this bug to get
this feature for the next dictionary version).

er: what other spell checker implementations do you mean? The spell checker from
StarOffice? At least for German language there is no other spellcheker
implementation except hunspell, is it? What's the problem you see?

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-23 Thread er
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 23 06:36:41 -0800 
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Maccy,
Please see #desc19 from sba Thu Jan 18 09:28:56 -0800 2007
The problem is with German language and it is not good to have it enabled in
this form. Even if Hunspell manages to split dash compounded words, a
word1-word2 that is now entirely forwarded where only word2 is wrong now marks
the entire word1-word2 as bad because the API doesn't know about substrings. And
yes, the other spellchecker referred the one used by StarOffice, I didn't
check though if and how that is affected. Anyway, given the API shortness
mentioned that's not relevant here.

Karl,
we may have two solutions to this: either disable the option for German again,
or change implementation to what was previously suggested, see
#desc7 from maccy Tue Jul 18 02:41:29 -0800 2006
cite
It would be sufficient to say that dash is being forwarded to the spell checker
if there is space-dash or dash-space or dash-comma etc. is found. You can stay
with being dash a word separator if wordchar-dash-wordchar is found.
/cite
Suppressing the wordchar-dash-wordchar case should do, I think. However, if this
would be too complicated we should refrain from doing this right now, otherwise
we'd risk not getting CWS i18n28 integrated at all for OOo2.2. We need the CWS
passing QA _now_.


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-22 Thread er
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 22 03:00:01 -0800 
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Unfortunately this affects all spell checker implementations, so the affix file
patch alone does not help.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-22 Thread khong
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 22 14:57:14 -0800 
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take Eike's suggestion, remove optional entry from de_DE.xml, this fix only
affects Polish. 

When this fix is integrated, anyone can add the feature to any language easily.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-20 Thread maccy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jan 20 03:35:47 -0800 
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milek_pl: Arbeits-Amt ist correct too. Some possible correct forms are:

Arbeits-
Arbeits-Amt
Arbeitsamt
-amt

Incorrect are:

arbeits-
-arbeits
Arbeits-amt
Arbeits


To test this take the (still inofficial) dict files from
http://j3e.de/hunspell_test/. For a cleaned up final next release from OOo
inclusion I hoped to get a Hunspell homonym bug resolved first but maybe I make
a new release without that fix.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-19 Thread khong
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 09:35:14 -0800 
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I have just implemented what the issue requested, pass dash as part of word to
spellchecker.

Currently the feature is enabled for Geman and Polish by the optional entry in
locale data, proposed by nemeth. 

There are two part of fixed in this issue. One is in breakiterator to handle
optional entry in locale data, another is to add entry in locale data for
particular languages, in this issue, I add entry in de_DE.xml and pl_PL.xml. 

I can remove entry from locale data, hide implementation in breakiterator, but
you will not be able to see anything. Or we can suspend the fix until we get
concret design.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-19 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 09:51:09 -0800 
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khong, is the feature supposed to be implemented in OOF680_m1? If so, I could
test the behavior and dictionaries. However, I didn't see any change in behavior
for German nor Polish in this build?

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-19 Thread khong
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 10:04:20 -0800 
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No, the feature has not been integrated yet, it is still in cws i18n28. sba has
rejected it. We need more concret design for the feature.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-19 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 10:29:15 -0800 
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khong, I agree it should be implemented more carefully, i.e., for German, we
need a careful review of the dictionary architecture, so that wer-auch-immer is
OK, and Arbeits-Amt is not. For Polish, the issue is simpler, as dashes in words
cannot be used as in ready-to-go, and it could be implemented just for Polish.

I think we cannot have a more concrete design for that: it is an interplay
between the dictionary structure (affix file) and Breakiterator. If the
dictionary is not OK, then fixing Breakiterator won't help much, and that's the
case now for German. The only thing I could think of is just make hunspell
behave by default as if there was BREAK - in the affix file, and make
Breakiterator pass on the dash. This way there could be no unintentional 
regression.

Laci, what do you think?

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-19 Thread er
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 11:06:52 -0800 
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If I understood correctly, behavior for Polish (see issue 72408) is correct now,
but for German isn't? I suggest to remove the new dash option from the de_*.xml
files then so things are like they were before, remove this issue from CWS
i18n28 and keep just issue 72408. I think we're fine with the CWS then.

For this issue the German case should be investigated more thoroughly, taking
the different spellcheckers and dictionaries and their options into account.
Once CWS i18n28 is integrated lingucomponent can easily work on this by
modifying the locale data files.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-19 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 12:16:25 -0800 
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Eike, I think you're right though I cannot verify this (it's not in the current
developer build). I will work with Polish dictionary developers to have this
function work even better.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-19 Thread nemeth
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 15:19:27 -0800 
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Karl: Thanks for the implementation. 

If this issue is not related to StarOffice, I suggest to use the attached 2-line
de_DE affix file patch instead of removing Karl's work. The patch switches the
breaking at dashes in Hunspell on. Hunspell in OOo 2.1 has already had this
feature. I have made also a Hunspell patch with default breaking for German
dictionaries in CWS hunspell2 (with this patch also the default German OOo
dictionary de_frami_neu will work on URL's and other uncommon compounds with
dashes). Maybe the best solution to move Karl's de_DE.xml definition to CWS
hunspell2 to synchrone word breaking and spell checking.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-19 Thread nemeth
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What|Old value |New value

 Attachment is patch|  |Created an attachment (id=
|  |42329)
de_DE.aff patch






--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 19 15:21:35 -0800 
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Created an attachment (id=42329)
de_DE.aff patch


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-18 Thread sba
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|sba   |khong





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 18 09:28:56 -0800 
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SBA: Karl, we have a problem :-(
  
Language set to German: I tried a string like Good-Word-Good-Word-BaadWorrrd.
In the CWS, the entire string gets underlined. And in the spellcheck dialog, the
string shows up in red entirely. Before, only BaadWorrrd got underlined and
displayed in red, having a chance for a meaningful suggestion in the dialog
without having the Good-Word-Good-Word-BaadWorrrd string in a user dictionary.

I talked to Frank Meies and Thomas Lange and I can not give a go for this 
behavior.
Now, the spellchecker is meaningless
whenever-someone-combines-many-good-words-with-dashes and having a single error
within. This is a regression at least for German.

For example, in German I can add a wod-wth-dshes into a user dict
and this is taken as correct and shows up as proposal in online spell context 
menu.
For English, this does not work. You provided no list for what languages this is
enabled.
It is not exactly intuitive that this works for German, but not for English.

Unfortunately, I have no internet performance right now and could not compare
what hunspell is doing.

I am not yet aware of the problems or wishes for other languages.
I do not know if Thomas Lange and Oliver Specht shall join with other fixes to
get this done.
I.e. the spell checker separating the Good-Words Words again if they are valid
ones before displaying only the BaadWorrrd in red.

My idea is that you build in this option, but it should be disabled for all
languages by default.
Then lazlo or whoever can easily flip a switch once the new Hunspell dicts are
able to deal with this (at least for testing).

In total I reagard the current behavior as too risky to be integrated at this
time (shortly before code freeze). I am afraid that my observations is not the
only regression. 

So we shall postpone all this for the next milestone.

Please comment.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-18 Thread sba
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|RESOLVED  |REOPENED

  Resolution|FIXED |





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 18 09:29:34 -0800 
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SBA: Reopened issue.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-18 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 18 09:50:05 -0800 
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sba: This is indeed a good idea to have this switched off by default - but what
method should be used to switch it on? The best would be to use dictionaries
files themselves. But when you look at dictionaries, you'll discover they
already have that swich (BREAK instruction).

Anyway, the problem with German is most probably the dictionary file (the affix
file), it should contain the following lines:

BREAK 2
BREAK -
BREAK –# n-dash 

Could you please test the behavior after adding this to de_frami_neu.aff?

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2007-01-14 Thread cloph
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jan 14 16:14:29 -0800 
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*** Issue 73316 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-12-21 Thread khong
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|khong |sba





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 21 11:19:05 -0800 
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ready for QA.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-12-11 Thread khong
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What|Old value |New value

  Issue type|ENHANCEMENT   |DEFECT





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec 11 09:27:17 -0800 
2006 ---
set the issue as defect, since the cws i18n28 depends on cws icuupgrade, which
is not integrated yet, and code freeze for enhancement is end of this month,
setting it as defect buys time for this issue to be fixed in release OOo 2.2.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-12-07 Thread khong
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|NEW   |RESOLVED

  Resolution|  |FIXED





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec  7 10:40:56 -0800 
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fixed in cws i18n28.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-11-06 Thread khong
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User khong changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

Target milestone|OOo 2.x   |OOo 2.2





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov  6 09:58:53 -0800 
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Will add an optional entry in locale data for language to select different word
break rule.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-11-02 Thread maccy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov  2 01:37:50 -0800 
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what is the status of this issue? Is there any one feeling responsible or it? As
this affects spellchecker quality quite a lot this is a very user visible thing
which should be solved.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-08-23 Thread nemeth
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What|Old value |New value

  CC|'er,fl,khong,nemeth,tl'   |'er,fl,khong,milek_pl,neme
|  |th,tl'





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 23 16:45:34 -0700 
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 so what I suggest is that dashes should be forwarded to hunspell

or add a breakiterator option to the locale resource files (de_DE.xml, etc.)

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-08-22 Thread nemeth
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 22 02:05:07 -0700 
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Marcin Miłkowski, lead of Polish language project, has been reported, that for
Polish need similar treatment of dashes:

we have several classes of words with dashes:

1. like kogel-mogel, in which both parts are inflected (genitive case,
singular: kogla-mogla, for example);
2. like e-mail, in which only the second part is inflected (e-maila);
3. like tse-tse or kong-fu where both parts are not inflected.

In all three cases, both parts are not valid words, so it's a spelling
mistake to write kogel mogel or kung fu. In myspell, ispell and
aspell we couldn't find way to define this special dash-behavior.
Plus there is one special case: inflection of acronyms with dashes,
correct plural of SMS in Polish is SMS-y, not SMSy (we haven't defined
it yet, as well). By the way, we have a complex rules of inflection of
foreign words ending with mute vowels and -y, like Kennedy in genetive
is Kennedy’ego. Seems to me that we'd have to switch to UTF-8 because
the proper version of the apostrophe used for this inflection is not
covered in ISO-8859-2 (it is, however, included in windows-1250).

It seems, it's a general problem, when we want better spell checking.
Polish and Hungarian (Finnish and probably several other languages) use dashes
to join a lot of different affixes to acronyms or foreign stems, and we
don't want to add these affixes to the dictionary as rigth words.
(English too: America-like, see http://www.bartleby.com/64/84.html,
but it has much fewer and simpler affixes).
That is why we need handle dashes by spell checker. Hungarian is ok. in
OpenOffice.org, but it would be fine to give a simple way to add dashes
and n-dashes optionally to words in breakiterators of other languages.


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-08-22 Thread nemeth
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 22 04:12:47 -0700 
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A related new issue about apostrophes in Italian words: Issue 68567.


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-08-22 Thread milek_pl
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 22 04:49:43 -0700 
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Thomas, I wouldn't wait for grammar checkers as most languages won't have any
grammar checking for some time -- though I'm doing my best for Polish :)

The assumption that ready-to-go words are valid in every language is a clear
example of being English-centred and ignoring i18n issues, so what I suggest is
that dashes should be forwarded to hunspell. Hunspell should break words on -
for all languages that haven't got WORDCHARDS - in the dictionary. So the
default behavior would be to break on dashes for English, and not to break in
Hungarian or Polish.

So this way you won't get false alarms in English and spelling mistakes in
Italian, French, Hungarian, Polish, and probably other languages.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-07-20 Thread tl
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|tl|khong





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 20 03:53:23 -0700 
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TL-Karl: Can you implement it the way maccy has suggested?
If so please take over. If not add a comment and reassing it back to me. Thanks!


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-07-18 Thread tl
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What|Old value |New value

  CC|'er,khong,nemeth,tl'  |'er,fl,khong,nemeth,tl'





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 18 02:01:28 -0700 
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The reason for this behaviour was voluntarily made because of
a) URL like www.wissenschaft-online.de 
and text like
b) wer-auch-immer or ready-to-go  which happen to get use in regular text to tie
several words to a singular expression/meaning.

If the dashs would be part of words and e.g. auch would have been misspelled
like the whole 3 word construct would be highlighted by the spellchecker. And if
it were an even longer expression like this it would be hard to see where the
actual error is. By breaking words we gained the possibility to check these kind
of expressions correctly and to point only to the mispelled word.

The problem could not by solved by the spellchecker even if it were to break up
the 3 word construct by itself since the API for spellchecking does not allow to
identify only a part of the text as being wrong. And thus even if the
spellchecker would find out that only the second word is wrong there is no way
to let the UI know about this.
Also one does not know if a specific spellchecker would be able to break up the
construct on it's own or not.

We hope to improve here when we have a grammar checking API that works on whole
sentences or even a complete paragraph. Also it is a way old request for
enhancement to not spellcheck URL's.


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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-07-18 Thread maccy
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 18 03:41:29 -0700 
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Is your proposal to wait and see what the grammer checker API brings?

It would be sufficient to say that dash is being forwarded to the spell checker
if there is space-dash or dash-space or dash-comma etc. is found. You can stay
with being dash a word separator if wordchar-dash-wordchar is found.

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-07-17 Thread er
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User er changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|[EMAIL PROTECTED] |tl

   Component|l10n  |lingucomponent

  Issue type|DEFECT|ENHANCEMENT

  QA contact|[EMAIL PROTECTED]   |[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subcomponent|i18npool  |spell checking

Target milestone|OOo 2.0.4 |OOo 2.x





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 17 05:18:38 -0700 
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Won't make it for 2.0.4. I don't know what Maccy is refferring with The
neccessary checking from issue 60645 has been done obviously, as the ICU
upgrade is still ongoing and nothing has been checked regarding behavior or
necessary breakiterator changes so far, or what would have to be done to support
different spellcheckers at the same time.

Btw, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] owner probably is not what we want here..
reassigning to Thomas Lange and changing component to lingucomponent. This is
also not a defect, but an enhancement instead.

  Eike

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[lingucomponent-issues] [Issue 64400] dash (-) should be forward ed to spellchecker

2006-07-12 Thread maccy
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User maccy changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

 Version|OOo 2.0.2 |OOo 2.0.3





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 12 05:52:52 -0700 
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is there attention for this for the 2.0.4 release now? The neccessary checking
from issue 60645 has been done obviously.

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