Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
On 07 Oct 2018, at 15:35, Dave McGuire wrote: > Still works fine here. Personally I rather like it when a piece of > infrastructure software stops being a "moving target". When ut us supposed to be dealing with the constantly movie target of malicious emails, no, I don’t like to see it stop updating. Besides that, there are some pretty serious bugs in amavis-new that have not been addressed. In fact, I do not currently have it installed. -- "...and that's not incense”
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
Marco skrev den 2018-10-08 13:48: I hope Amavis could still be maintained. DSPAM is already gone. If also Amavis dies, Spamassassin will follow... and spampd, mimedefang, canit, canit-pro, procmail, fuglu will possible die aswell then ? :=) note rspamd can be used in amavisd aswell as dspam, amavisd is a framework like mimedefang and fuglu, dont know how its with caanit and canit-pro others might sheed some lights on that
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 02:14:14PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > > I hope Amavis could still be maintained. DSPAM is already gone. If also > > Amavis dies, Spamassassin will follow... > > Especially since Mark is/was active in both amavisd and SpamAssassin! You can't compare one-man shop to a proper Apache open-source project. Some committers will come and go, but it's there for anyone to maintain without silly forking or such. I'm also personally committing a LOT right now to clean it up. :-)
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
> I hope Amavis could still be maintained. DSPAM is already gone. If also > Amavis dies, Spamassassin will follow... Especially since Mark is/was active in both amavisd and SpamAssassin! -- [*] sys4 AG https://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Schleißheimer Straße 26/MG, 80333 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
On 08.10.18 09:21, Tom Sommer wrote: > [OpenDKIM] is a perfectly fine solution, since it's not really an > Amavis-job to handle DKIM. And who gave you the mandate to decide what is and what is not "an Amavis-job"? ;-) See https://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/#features -- amavisd-new is designed to handle DKIM, did so in versions 2.10.x, and partially broke it in 2.11.0. Oh, and of course OpenDKIM is fine. Most features of amavisd-new can be replaced by using other software, which may even be better at it. I am now actively looking into phasing out amavisd-new. -Ralph
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
Hello, I use Amavis as interface to Spamassassin and DSPAM, using the Spamassassin DSPAM plugin. This setup is very useful to have a global spam protection and a fast per-user learn "on error" (DSPAM), configured through LDAP. With the LDAP ExtLookupDriver I can map all mailboxes aliases on each own account. With Spamassassin rules I can tune all different contributes to the final score. (I don't like Spamassassin learn, I prefer an "on error" approach, which is more reactive and doesn't require initial learns). Move this design on rspamd is not easy. I think rspamd is not a magic wand to easily replace Amavis I hope Amavis could still be maintained. DSPAM is already gone. If also Amavis dies, Spamassassin will follow... Regards Marco Il 08/10/2018 09:42, Tom Sommer ha scritto: On 2018-10-08 09:37, Boris Gulay wrote: Benny Pedersen писал 2018-10-08 00:18: Boris Gulay skrev den 2018-10-07 21:24: Benny Pedersen писал 2018-10-07 17:34: Ralph Seichter skrev den 2018-10-07 14:48: On 07.10.18 12:12, Alexander Dalloz wrote: That's too a one man show? See https://github.com/rspamd/rspamd/blob/master/AUTHORS.md impresive that amavisd have less tickets Because rspamd is actively maintained. Amavisd is not. this does not hold water, since it could aswell be that amavisd is more stable then rspamd i have being using both at diffrent times, got more simple setup with clamav-milter and spampd Looks like it was long ago. rspamd can now also be installed as a filter and it works "out of the box". And one more impotent advantage of rspamd: it gives you access to global SPAM databases like fuzzy and so on. Just take a look at default config files. It improves spam detection of freshly installed system. The problem is that if you've built an entire system/cluster, UI etc. etc. based on Amavis - it's not really plug-n-play to just change to rspamd. Also rspamd replaces spamassassin, so you are looking at a change in spamfiltering technology/ruleset/config as well.
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
> Looks like it was long ago. rspamd can now also be installed as a filter > and it works "out of the box". Yes, it has improved a lot during the last year (or at least since I last tried installing it). > And one more impotent advantage of rspamd: it gives you access to global > SPAM databases like fuzzy and so on. Just take a look at default config > files. It improves spam detection of freshly installed system. rspamd is designed with mutliple servers in mind (shared databases for everything, lots of fallback options in case one server goes down etc.) -- [*] sys4 AG https://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Schleißheimer Straße 26/MG, 80333 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
On 2018-10-08 09:37, Boris Gulay wrote: Benny Pedersen писал 2018-10-08 00:18: Boris Gulay skrev den 2018-10-07 21:24: Benny Pedersen писал 2018-10-07 17:34: Ralph Seichter skrev den 2018-10-07 14:48: On 07.10.18 12:12, Alexander Dalloz wrote: That's too a one man show? See https://github.com/rspamd/rspamd/blob/master/AUTHORS.md impresive that amavisd have less tickets Because rspamd is actively maintained. Amavisd is not. this does not hold water, since it could aswell be that amavisd is more stable then rspamd i have being using both at diffrent times, got more simple setup with clamav-milter and spampd Looks like it was long ago. rspamd can now also be installed as a filter and it works "out of the box". And one more impotent advantage of rspamd: it gives you access to global SPAM databases like fuzzy and so on. Just take a look at default config files. It improves spam detection of freshly installed system. The problem is that if you've built an entire system/cluster, UI etc. etc. based on Amavis - it's not really plug-n-play to just change to rspamd. Also rspamd replaces spamassassin, so you are looking at a change in spamfiltering technology/ruleset/config as well.
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
Benny Pedersen писал 2018-10-08 00:18: Boris Gulay skrev den 2018-10-07 21:24: Benny Pedersen писал 2018-10-07 17:34: Ralph Seichter skrev den 2018-10-07 14:48: On 07.10.18 12:12, Alexander Dalloz wrote: That's too a one man show? See https://github.com/rspamd/rspamd/blob/master/AUTHORS.md impresive that amavisd have less tickets Because rspamd is actively maintained. Amavisd is not. this does not hold water, since it could aswell be that amavisd is more stable then rspamd i have being using both at diffrent times, got more simple setup with clamav-milter and spampd Looks like it was long ago. rspamd can now also be installed as a filter and it works "out of the box". And one more impotent advantage of rspamd: it gives you access to global SPAM databases like fuzzy and so on. Just take a look at default config files. It improves spam detection of freshly installed system.
Re: Is amavisd-new still being maintained?
On 2018-10-08 01:39, Ralph Seichter wrote: On 08.10.18 01:09, Dave McGuire wrote: are there any bugs in amavisd-new that anyone cares about at this point? Yes, DKIM-related, see my original message. From what I can tell the available patch does not fix everything. Because of this issue I have disabled amavisd-new's DKIM-features locally and use OpenDKIM. Which is a perfectly fine solution, since it's not really an Amavis-job to handle DKIM. -- Tom
