Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
I agree. That's what it should be. The Wizard. A Tool for Newcomers AND for
experienced programmers ...
Regards, Ton.
- Original Message -
From: Herman
To: Paul Ho
Cc: amibroker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Regardless of what personal opinions anyone of us may have, the fact is that
the wizard will help newcomers pick up on AFL quicker and that it will help
part-time traders to be more productive. Perhaps, at some future date, it may
even help advanced programmers optimize their code. Compare writing native AFL
to writing hand-coded assembly code, most of the time the compiler won't
provide you with optimum solutions but it is still nice to see how the compiler
solves the problem and perhaps pick up some ideas, or copy a few lines of code.
Sometimes doing this can be a major time saver for even the experienced
programmer - in any programming language.
Someone referred to the wizard as a "stepping stone" and I think that is a
perfect description. No matter how advanced the wizard will become it can never
deliver more than writing your own AFL code. The strength of AFL is that it has
powerful basic functions (i.e. looping) that lets you break free from
tradition. All "wizards" are based on traditional and often over-used
approaches; they "try" to think for you. This is great when you want to learn
but not when you want to think independently.
In conclusion, it is great to have a wizard but if your are serious about
developing your own trading system let it be your stepping stone to more
original and innovative work. Studying AFL might well be your best investment
in time ever.
best regards,
herman
Sunday, May 20, 2007, 9:34:58 PM, you wrote:
>
I dont think what he said is crap. He made a prediction and we will know
sometime in the future its either true or not true.
His concern might not be well founded, and his writing might not be
dipomatic, but his take on the wizard is interesting indeed, and we'll know the
answer to that some time in the future.
Andrew, if you just want to trade and not worry about becoming a
pseudo-programmer, then do that and no one else is worried either.
From: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Andrew Z
Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 9:15 PM
To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
G'day all,
> You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of
> users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more
> enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to
> comprehend AFL's programatic complexities.
This is the biggest load of crap I have read in a while...a big slap in
the face to TRADERS that just want to TRADE and not have to worry about
becoming pseudo-programmers in the process.
Andrew.
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
It's just the beginning of the Wizard Brian ... Regards, Ton. - Original Message - From: brian_z321 To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:14 AM Subject: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation Re: programming types versus non-programmers. I think we make far too much out of this point; especially people who are new to *programming*. If we want to visit *customised trading land* the experience will be a lot more enjoyable if we learn the language. The more effort we put into learning the language the more at home we will feel there. We could already learn Ami language with what was available. The Wizard etc are learning tools that will speed up the process and make it more enjoyable for new starters; that's all. There is nothing more to it than that. Also, we all learn in different ways and a large proportion of the population need visual cues to move them along (according to psyche studies conducted in modern western cultures). The Ami sky won't come falling down because a small amount of Ami's development time goes into training features. Ami is the program by traders, for traders, and it will always be that. The foundations have been well and truly set in concrete. What is a programming type? It is not a term we can actually define. If there is such a thing I would be one of the least likely candidates and I wouldn't be doing the things that I am able to do. You can use Ami without visiting or understanding all of it, in the same way that most of us use Windows, Word or Xcel. If you want to do sophisticated things in Ami there are no short cuts and eventually you have to knuckle down to learning the language == functions and processing rules. You can only postpone the inevitable for so long. It is a good thing that we have openly discussed Ami's vision because that shows us where we are going and puts us all on the same page. Tomasz, thanks for sharing a little bit of your vision with us from time to time. I always enjoy it when you do that. Only give out little bits of it at a time though. Never disclose all of the VISION to anyone,not even your dearly beloved. It is secret *artiste's* business. Brian *;-) P.S. Good news for some. I think I will retire Brian the *Hall Monitor* and Brian the *Campaigner* and focus more on writing for the Users' Knowledge Base; a more permanent *help* feature. *Guru* Brian won't retire though; he is around for a long, long time. However, he might spend more time in retreat. --- In amibroker@yahoogroups.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > For everyone who is interested in seeing upcoming AFL code wizard > here is a preview presentation of AFL wizard in action: > http://www.amibroker.com/video/amiwiz/AFLWiz1.html > > The wizard itself should be made available to the public tommorrow. > > Just for fun you may also watch the same presentation with Paul as a host. > To meet Paul check this: > http://www.amibroker.com/video/amiwizp/AFLWiz1.html > > Both videos are around 5MB in size if you are using modem you will need to wait > a bit for loading. Your browser needs to support Flash 6 or higher for these videos. > > Your feedback is welcome. > > Best regards, > Tomasz Janeczko > amibroker.com >
RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
I dont think what he said is crap. He made a prediction and we will know sometime in the future its either true or not true. His concern might not be well founded, and his writing might not be dipomatic, but his take on the wizard is interesting indeed, and we'll know the answer to that some time in the future. Andrew, if you just want to trade and not worry about becoming a pseudo-programmer, then do that and no one else is worried either. _ From: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Z Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 9:15 PM To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation G'day all, > You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of > users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more > enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to > comprehend AFL's programatic complexities. This is the biggest load of crap I have read in a while...a big slap in the face to TRADERS that just want to TRADE and not have to worry about becoming pseudo-programmers in the process. Andrew.
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
G'day all, > You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of > users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more > enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to > comprehend AFL's programatic complexities. This is the biggest load of crap I have read in a while...a big slap in the face to TRADERS that just want to TRADE and not have to worry about becoming pseudo-programmers in the process. Andrew.
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Well said, Rakesh.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Rakesh Sahgal
To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Hi Phsst,
As a discretionary trader such enhancements have no relevance for people with
my style of trading.I would love to see a couple of enhancements of Line
Studies incorporated in AB. Yet I don't see any of the discretionary traders
here dismiss the needs of the system traders as being of no consequence and
complain about lack of any ehancement of discretionary trading tools.
Within the system trading set of traders a sub-set consists of people who
have trade-able ideas that can be incorporated into systems but due to the
traders being non-coders they were at a disadvantage when it came to
implementing the systems. These people I guess are a larger number than those
who are proficient coders.
The intention is not to pick a quarrel/arguement. I am unable to understand
though why some of the coding proficient system traders expect priority over
the general population of AB users and dismiss outright/have reservations about
, the needs of non coder system traders/discretionary traders . Surely you are
not suggesting that AB is a product meant EXCLUSIVELY for system traders with
strong IT skills . If that be the case then the future prospects of the
enterprise that is AmiBroker will be severely curtailed.
Why dont we instead let the developer use his sense of balance and considered
opinion to make enhancements at his own pace that cater to each segment of the
AB user community i.e. System traders with well developed coding skills,
systems traders who are NOT expert coders and finally last ( but hopefully not
the least) discretionary traders like me.
Regards
Rakesh
R
On 5/19/07, Phsst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello TJ,
I know that you are getting 'kudos' for the 'dumbing down' AFL Wizard,
but I don't mind being the one to argue the case that you may have
just created the single biggest obstacle to progressive future
upgrades in AB capability.
You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of
users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more
enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to
comprehend AFL's programatic complexities.
I understand your need to draw in the maximum number of customers with
easy to use 'wizards', but to create a 'wizard' that really uses the
full capability of AFL, your development time will from now on be
severely taxed by the 'wizard' crowd.
I wish you luck in your efforts.
Best Regards
--- In amibroker@yahoogroups.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible.
> If you download trial version and install it, you will notice "CodeGen"
> subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file.
> This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules.
> Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard
> but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is flexible
> enough to allow adding rules like:
> "when ..something... forms a double bottom"
>
> Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from
codegen
> subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way
> for 3rd party DLLs to be included in the code wizard lists.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
>
>
> > Tomasz,
> >
> > Can third party indicators (via dll) be added so that they show up
in the
> > list.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Please note that this gr
RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Tomasz, Thank you for all of your hard work. I am kind of in the middle of the programming curve, so the AFL Wizard will be a real help to me. I can see that if I study the generated code it will allow me a better understanding of AFL language. Please do not let the nay Sayers get you down. Keep up the GREAT work! Don Lindberg "You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but it is impossible to please all of the people all of the time" _ From: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomasz Janeczko Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:45 AM To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation Hello, Don't worry - over many years I have proved that I am capable of extending program into many different directions at once. There were significant features added in every area even this year, to name a few: 1. advanced users / programmers got new control flow statements: continue, break, switch/case and gfx low-level functions 2. discretionary traders got cleaner charts (no thick divider lines between panes), improved real-time quote window 3. beginners got AFL code wizard So as you can see your worries have no reason - AmiBroker progresses quickly in many directions at once. Also the wizard should actually decrease number of support questions that we are getting. Why? Simply because there will be no basic questions like: I need a code that geberates a buy when volume is higher than its average from last 15 days. The wizard is also great *learning* tool. If you take a look, you will see that each statement that you build using natural language is accompanied with "AFL code equivalent" updated in real-time as you click parts. What's more the code part responsible for selected part of the sentence is marked with BOLD. So beginner exactly knows that "5 bars ago" is coded with Ref. This may not be obvious even for computer programmer coming from C language who is just starting with AFL. But now the learning process is turbo-charged with the help of the wizard. I think that you underestimate the role of the wizard in the learning process even for semi-advanced people. Best regards, Tomasz Janeczko amibroker.com - Original Message - From: "Phsst" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: < <mailto:amibroker@yahoogroups.com> amibroker@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation > Hello TJ, > > I know that you are getting 'kudos' for the 'dumbing down' AFL Wizard, > but I don't mind being the one to argue the case that you may have > just created the single biggest obstacle to progressive future > upgrades in AB capability. > > You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of > users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more > enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to > comprehend AFL's programatic complexities. > > I understand your need to draw in the maximum number of customers with > easy to use 'wizards', but to create a 'wizard' that really uses the > full capability of AFL, your development time will from now on be > severely taxed by the 'wizard' crowd. > > I wish you luck in your efforts. > > Best Regards > > > > --- In <mailto:amibroker@yahoogroups.com> amibroker@yahoogroups.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible. >> If you download trial version and install it, you will notice "CodeGen" >> subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file. >> This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules. >> Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard >> but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is flexible >> enough to allow adding rules like: >> "when ..something... forms a double bottom" >> >> Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from > codegen >> subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way >> for 3rd party DLLs to be included in the code wizard lists. >> >> Best regards, >> Tomasz Janeczko >> amibroker.com >> - Original Message - >> From: "John Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: < <mailto:amibroker@yahoogroups.com> amibroker@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:45 PM >> Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation >> >>
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Yes it is, but... as I said two weeks ago, I don't give exact dates anymore. Best regards, Tomasz Janeczko amibroker.com - Original Message - From: "pmxgs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation > Hello, > > following the previous message, regarding the development of AB, is > Monte Carlo Analysis in sight? > I really feel is an important feature in systems evaluation. > thanks > > > --- In amibroker@yahoogroups.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Don't worry - over many years I have proved that I am capable of > extending >> program into many different directions at once. >> >> There were significant features added in every area even this year, > to name a few: >> 1. advanced users / programmers got new control flow statements: > continue, break, switch/case and gfx low-level functions >> 2. discretionary traders got cleaner charts (no thick divider lines > between panes), improved real-time quote window >> 3. beginners got AFL code wizard >> >> So as you can see your worries have no reason - AmiBroker progresses > quickly in many directions at once. >> >> Also the wizard should actually decrease number of support questions > that we are getting. >> Why? Simply because there will be no basic questions like: I need a > code that geberates a buy when >> volume is higher than its average from last 15 days. >> >> The wizard is also great *learning* tool. >> >> If you take a look, you will see that each statement that you build > using natural language >> is accompanied with >> "AFL code equivalent" updated in real-time as you click parts. >> What's more the code part responsible for selected part of the > sentence is marked with BOLD. >> So beginner exactly knows that "5 bars ago" is coded with Ref. >> This may not be obvious even for computer programmer coming from C > language who is just starting with AFL. >> But now the learning process is turbo-charged with the help of the > wizard. >> >> I think that you underestimate the role of the wizard in the > learning process even for semi-advanced people. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> Tomasz Janeczko >> amibroker.com >> - Original Message - >> From: "Phsst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:38 AM >> Subject: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation >> >> >> > Hello TJ, >> > >> > I know that you are getting 'kudos' for the 'dumbing down' AFL Wizard, >> > but I don't mind being the one to argue the case that you may have >> > just created the single biggest obstacle to progressive future >> > upgrades in AB capability. >> > >> > You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of >> > users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more >> > enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to >> > comprehend AFL's programatic complexities. >> > >> > I understand your need to draw in the maximum number of customers with >> > easy to use 'wizards', but to create a 'wizard' that really uses the >> > full capability of AFL, your development time will from now on be >> > severely taxed by the 'wizard' crowd. >> > >> > I wish you luck in your efforts. >> > >> > Best Regards >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In amibroker@yahoogroups.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible. >> >> If you download trial version and install it, you will notice > "CodeGen" >> >> subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file. >> >> This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules. >> >> Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard >> >> but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is > flexible >> >> enough to allow adding rules like: >> >> "when ..something... forms a double bottom" >> >> >> >> Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from >> > codegen >> >> subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way >>
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Hello,
Don't worry - over many years I have proved that I am capable of extending
program into many different directions at once.
There were significant features added in every area even this year, to name a
few:
1. advanced users / programmers got new control flow statements: continue,
break, switch/case and gfx low-level functions
2. discretionary traders got cleaner charts (no thick divider lines between
panes), improved real-time quote window
3. beginners got AFL code wizard
So as you can see your worries have no reason - AmiBroker progresses quickly in
many directions at once.
Also the wizard should actually decrease number of support questions that we
are getting.
Why? Simply because there will be no basic questions like: I need a code that
geberates a buy when
volume is higher than its average from last 15 days.
The wizard is also great *learning* tool.
If you take a look, you will see that each statement that you build using
natural language
is accompanied with
"AFL code equivalent" updated in real-time as you click parts.
What's more the code part responsible for selected part of the sentence is
marked with BOLD.
So beginner exactly knows that "5 bars ago" is coded with Ref.
This may not be obvious even for computer programmer coming from C language who
is just starting with AFL.
But now the learning process is turbo-charged with the help of the wizard.
I think that you underestimate the role of the wizard in the learning process
even for semi-advanced people.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
- Original Message -
From: "Phsst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
> Hello TJ,
>
> I know that you are getting 'kudos' for the 'dumbing down' AFL Wizard,
> but I don't mind being the one to argue the case that you may have
> just created the single biggest obstacle to progressive future
> upgrades in AB capability.
>
> You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of
> users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more
> enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to
> comprehend AFL's programatic complexities.
>
> I understand your need to draw in the maximum number of customers with
> easy to use 'wizards', but to create a 'wizard' that really uses the
> full capability of AFL, your development time will from now on be
> severely taxed by the 'wizard' crowd.
>
> I wish you luck in your efforts.
>
> Best Regards
>
>
>
> --- In amibroker@yahoogroups.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible.
>> If you download trial version and install it, you will notice "CodeGen"
>> subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file.
>> This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules.
>> Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard
>> but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is flexible
>> enough to allow adding rules like:
>> "when ..something... forms a double bottom"
>>
>> Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from
> codegen
>> subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way
>> for 3rd party DLLs to be included in the code wizard lists.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tomasz Janeczko
>> amibroker.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:45 PM
>> Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
>>
>>
>> > Tomasz,
>> >
>> > Can third party indicators (via dll) be added so that they show up
> in the
>> > list.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
>> >
>> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
>> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
>> >
>> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
>> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>> >
>> > For other support material please check also:
>> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
>
> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
>
> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>
> For other support material please check also:
> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
><>
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
I dont think Phsst has given things much thought.
I would say that the single biggest problem with Amibroker is the time required
to learn how to programme.
This is stopping a great number of ( working ) people who cannot dedicate all
their spare time to learning how to utilise this site
By making Amibroker more user friendly it will grow the AB community which
in turn can only be of benefit to everyone.
I would hope that a larger user base would give Tomasz more resources to expand
anything he wanted.
A larger user base might help to cost in a dedicated Data source
More users would expand the AB community ,ideas ,knowledge.
And anything that makes AB more profitable ,prolongs ABs existance. Which for
anyone who has ploughed a lot of hours into Amibroker can only be a good thing.
Richard
- Original Message -
From: Phsst
To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Hello TJ,
I know that you are getting 'kudos' for the 'dumbing down' AFL Wizard,
but I don't mind being the one to argue the case that you may have
just created the single biggest obstacle to progressive future
upgrades in AB capability.
You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of
users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more
enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to
comprehend AFL's programatic complexities.
I understand your need to draw in the maximum number of customers with
easy to use 'wizards', but to create a 'wizard' that really uses the
full capability of AFL, your development time will from now on be
severely taxed by the 'wizard' crowd.
I wish you luck in your efforts.
Best Regards
--- In amibroker@yahoogroups.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible.
> If you download trial version and install it, you will notice "CodeGen"
> subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file.
> This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules.
> Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard
> but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is flexible
> enough to allow adding rules like:
> "when ..something... forms a double bottom"
>
> Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from
codegen
> subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way
> for 3rd party DLLs to be included in the code wizard lists.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
>
>
> > Tomasz,
> >
> > Can third party indicators (via dll) be added so that they show up
in the
> > list.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Hi Phsst,
As a discretionary trader such enhancements have no relevance for people
with my style of trading.I would love to see a couple of enhancements of
Line Studies incorporated in AB. Yet I don't see any of the discretionary
traders here dismiss the needs of the system traders as being of no
consequence and complain about lack of any ehancement of discretionary
trading tools.
Within the system trading set of traders a sub-set consists of people who
have trade-able ideas that can be incorporated into systems but due to the
traders being non-coders they were at a disadvantage when it came to
implementing the systems. These people I guess are a larger number than
those who are proficient coders.
The intention is not to pick a quarrel/arguement. I am unable to understand
though why some of the coding proficient system traders expect priority over
the general population of AB users and dismiss outright/have reservations
about, the needs of non coder system traders/discretionary traders . Surely
you are not suggesting that AB is a product meant EXCLUSIVELY for system
traders with strong IT skills . If that be the case then the future
prospects of the enterprise that is AmiBroker will be severely curtailed.
Why dont we instead let the developer use his sense of balance and
considered opinion to make enhancements at his own pace that cater to each
segment of the AB user community i.e. System traders with well developed
coding skills, systems traders who are NOT expert coders and finally last (
but hopefully not the least) discretionary traders like me.
Regards
Rakesh
R
On 5/19/07, Phsst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello TJ,
I know that you are getting 'kudos' for the 'dumbing down' AFL Wizard,
but I don't mind being the one to argue the case that you may have
just created the single biggest obstacle to progressive future
upgrades in AB capability.
You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of
users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more
enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to
comprehend AFL's programatic complexities.
I understand your need to draw in the maximum number of customers with
easy to use 'wizards', but to create a 'wizard' that really uses the
full capability of AFL, your development time will from now on be
severely taxed by the 'wizard' crowd.
I wish you luck in your efforts.
Best Regards
--- In amibroker@yahoogroups.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible.
> If you download trial version and install it, you will notice "CodeGen"
> subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file.
> This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules.
> Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard
> but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is flexible
> enough to allow adding rules like:
> "when ..something... forms a double bottom"
>
> Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from
codegen
> subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way
> for 3rd party DLLs to be included in the code wizard lists.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
>
>
> > Tomasz,
> >
> > Can third party indicators (via dll) be added so that they show up
in the
> > list.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
For other support material please check also:
http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Phsst:
I have the same feelings as you do. However, in order for AB to compete in a
better position in the market place, it is understandable that TJ has to put
in the Wizard to broaden the range of potential customers. All other popular
TA software have some form of Wizard one way or the other. Due to AB's
relatively low price point, this new feature will help AB's long term
survival greatly. TJ's decision does make good business sense, IMO.
As a system trader and long time AB user, I am more interested in seeing
more improvements in the Back testing engine, which has yet happened in the
last few beta releases. I am still using 4.90.5 in my actual trading and see
no benefits in upgrading to latest betas for my style of trading. I do hope
TJ can get back to those advanced enhancements soon once the Wizard settles
down.
- Mark H.
_
From: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Phsst
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:38 PM
To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Hello TJ,
I know that you are getting 'kudos' for the 'dumbing down' AFL Wizard,
but I don't mind being the one to argue the case that you may have
just created the single biggest obstacle to progressive future
upgrades in AB capability.
You have now created a tool for the 'programming illiterate' group of
users, who will from this day forward, demand more and more
enhancements to the wizard to compensate for their inability to
comprehend AFL's programatic complexities.
I understand your need to draw in the maximum number of customers with
easy to use 'wizards', but to create a 'wizard' that really uses the
full capability of AFL, your development time will from now on be
severely taxed by the 'wizard' crowd.
I wish you luck in your efforts.
Best Regards
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
"Tomasz Janeczko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible.
> If you download trial version and install it, you will notice "CodeGen"
> subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file.
> This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules.
> Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard
> but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is flexible
> enough to allow adding rules like:
> "when ..something... forms a double bottom"
>
> Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from
codegen
> subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way
> for 3rd party DLLs to be included in the code wizard lists.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> - Original Message -----
> From: "John Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
>
>
> > Tomasz,
> >
> > Can third party indicators (via dll) be added so that they show up
in the
> > list.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/> r.com/devlog/
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
> > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/support.html>
r.com/support.html
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Hey Tomosz
Great work with the code wizard looks really good .
- Original Message -
From: Tomasz Janeczko
To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Hello,
Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible.
If you download trial version and install it, you will notice "CodeGen"
subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file.
This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules.
Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard
but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is flexible
enough to allow adding rules like:
"when ..something... forms a double bottom"
Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from codegen
subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way
for 3rd party DLLs to be included in the code wizard lists.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
- Original Message -
From: "John Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
> Tomasz,
>
> Can third party indicators (via dll) be added so that they show up in the
> list.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
>
> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
>
> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>
> For other support material please check also:
> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
Re: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Hello,
Generally speaking AFL code wizard is written to be extensible.
If you download trial version and install it, you will notice "CodeGen"
subfolder that consist of Generic.xml file.
This text file consist Text-To-Code generation rules.
Currently there is only one codegen shipped with AFL code wizard
but in the future I plan to ship LOTS of them. The approach is flexible
enough to allow adding rules like:
"when ..something... forms a double bottom"
Also future versions will just read any number of .xml files from codegen
subfolder and allow switching between them. This will open a way
for 3rd party DLLs to be included in the code wizard lists.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
- Original Message -
From: "John Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
> Tomasz,
>
> Can third party indicators (via dll) be added so that they show up in the
> list.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
>
> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
>
> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>
> For other support material please check also:
> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
RE: [amibroker] Re: AFL code wizard - preview presentation
Tomasz, Can third party indicators (via dll) be added so that they show up in the list.
