Re: [AMRadio] NC 183 mil VLF receiver for sale

[jeremy-ca]

I guess it is one of a kind as the R-651/URR-39 is based around a NC-183DR. 
These show up occassionally on Ebay at reasonable prices.
A true NC-183DR (not modified with VLF and the uncalibrated bandspread dial) 
brings a much higher price.


Carl
KM1H
National Radio 1963-69


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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] NC 183 mil VLF receiver for sale




If anyone needs a

NATIONAL MODEL NUMBER NC 183 MR

MILITARY MODEL NUMBER SYSTEM IS AN/URR-39
SER# 174, RADIO MODEL # R-651/URR-39 WITH VLF,
RACK MT-1529/U,
MATCHING SPEAKER LS-228/U, WITH NATIONAL BADGE
STOCK SHOCK MOUNTS
RACK RAIL COVERS
9 PLUS CONDITION
ONE OF A KIND

SERIOUS OFFERS ONLY REPLY OFF LIST

N7RCA
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RE: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship

[Bob Peters]

Rick I am looking for a good
receiver...Contact me off list
please...


Very Best 73's
Bob W1PE
The Voice of Mesquite
www.w1pe.com

"Money is only temporary, but
radios are forever" - Jim
Little aka "the old dog"/K5BAI



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jeremy-ca
Sent: Sunday, November 25,
2007 8:52 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in
the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] To ship
or not to ship

The Valiant will probably
bring a good price even if the
buyer has to drive 
to Alaska. The NC-183 has
limited interest. A 183D is
much more in demand.

I absolutely hate FedWrex, the
name says it all. My results
with UPS have 
been nearly perfect and
instant payment when they
break something.

Ive over 10K feedbacks on
Ebay, most not radio related,
so have a good 
feeling for what works,
problem areas, etc.

Carl
KM1H


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in the Amateur Service'" 

Sent: Sunday, November 25,
2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] To ship or
not to ship


I am thinking seriously about
selling my Valiant and NC-183
and wonder if I
should take a chance on
shipping either or both?  The
Valiant is very heavy
as you all know and the NC-183
is no light weight.  If I
don't agree to ship
it will certainly limit the
possibility of selling them.
What do ya'll have
to say?  I received both via
FedEx or UPS, I don't remember
now, and both
were undamaged.

Thanks for any input..
Rick/K5IAR

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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[David Knepper]

Right you are.   But, you know that they still have a loyal following that 
joins for the magazine - you know all those great AM articles!!!  Sorry 
about that.  I read QST in one sitting and then put it on the pile.


Take care.

Dave, W3ST - W3CRA
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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:08 PM
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David Knepper wrote:
  The climate has changed somewhat but we must join the ARRL to vote 
those out that do not represent us fairly and equitably.


I see it differently.  If the ARRL doesn't represent the wants and needs 
of the amateur community, as a whole, then the amateur community, as a 
whole, should drop their membership.


Vote with your feet.

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[AMRadio] NC 183 mil VLF receiver for sale

[uvcm inc.]

If anyone needs a 

NATIONAL MODEL NUMBER NC 183 MR

MILITARY MODEL NUMBER SYSTEM IS AN/URR-39 
SER# 174, RADIO MODEL # R-651/URR-39 WITH VLF,
RACK MT-1529/U, 
MATCHING SPEAKER LS-228/U, WITH NATIONAL BADGE
STOCK SHOCK MOUNTS
RACK RAIL COVERS
9 PLUS CONDITION  
ONE OF A KIND

SERIOUS OFFERS ONLY REPLY OFF LIST

N7RCA
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Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship

[jeremy-ca]

It doesnt matter if its by oxcart; if its not packed by THEIR rules you lose

Carl

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My post was refering to USPS and Greyhound Express...

Not FedX or UPS


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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship



Hi Rick,

Over the past few weeks I have shipped a lot of stuff including several 
receivers (NC-183).


I used the USPS Priority mail on almost everything.  With priority mail, 
there is less handling of the item and it does not stay in transit as 
long.


At present, I am bating 1000, no damages and fast delivery.

I have also had excellent results using Greyhound express.  If you are 
shipping to a customer in a large city served by the Greyhound bus 
system, many times it never leaves the bus from the time you ship until 
it arrives.


If I sent you a large heavy item, I could put in on the bus in 
Tallahassee and it would stay in its place until it arrived in Dallas.


The cost is not that much when you consider the advantages.

Another thing I will share with you.  Go to a carpet store that does 
installations and ask for some scrap padding.


Take the unit and roll it up six or eight times and shove it into a 
large box.  This will give you about 8 to 10 inches of foam padding 
arouind the unit and.it's free



If it shipped that way with FedWrex or UPS and broken they will deny the 
claim.


It must be double boxed and hard foam used.

I suggest strongly that everyone carefully read the rules before getting 
burnt.


Carl
KM1H




Good Luck on the sale.

73,
Bob,W4WSZ


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'" 


Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship


I am thinking seriously about selling my Valiant and NC-183 and wonder 
if I
should take a chance on shipping either or both?  The Valiant is very 
heavy
as you all know and the NC-183 is no light weight.  If I don't agree to 
ship
it will certainly limit the possibility of selling them.  What do ya'll 
have
to say?  I received both via FedEx or UPS, I don't remember now, and 
both

were undamaged.

Thanks for any input..
Rick/K5IAR

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Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship

[w4wsz]

My post was refering to USPS and Greyhound Express...

Not FedX or UPS


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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship




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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship



Hi Rick,

Over the past few weeks I have shipped a lot of stuff including several 
receivers (NC-183).


I used the USPS Priority mail on almost everything.  With priority mail, 
there is less handling of the item and it does not stay in transit as 
long.


At present, I am bating 1000, no damages and fast delivery.

I have also had excellent results using Greyhound express.  If you are 
shipping to a customer in a large city served by the Greyhound bus 
system, many times it never leaves the bus from the time you ship until 
it arrives.


If I sent you a large heavy item, I could put in on the bus in 
Tallahassee and it would stay in its place until it arrived in Dallas.


The cost is not that much when you consider the advantages.

Another thing I will share with you.  Go to a carpet store that does 
installations and ask for some scrap padding.


Take the unit and roll it up six or eight times and shove it into a large 
box.  This will give you about 8 to 10 inches of foam padding arouind the 
unit and.it's free



If it shipped that way with FedWrex or UPS and broken they will deny the 
claim.


It must be double boxed and hard foam used.

I suggest strongly that everyone carefully read the rules before getting 
burnt.


Carl
KM1H




Good Luck on the sale.

73,
Bob,W4WSZ


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'" 


Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship


I am thinking seriously about selling my Valiant and NC-183 and wonder if 
I
should take a chance on shipping either or both?  The Valiant is very 
heavy
as you all know and the NC-183 is no light weight.  If I don't agree to 
ship
it will certainly limit the possibility of selling them.  What do ya'll 
have

to say?  I received both via FedEx or UPS, I don't remember now, and both
were undamaged.

Thanks for any input..
Rick/K5IAR

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Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship

[jeremy-ca]

- Original Message - 
From: "w4wsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 


Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship



Hi Rick,

Over the past few weeks I have shipped a lot of stuff including several 
receivers (NC-183).


I used the USPS Priority mail on almost everything.  With priority mail, 
there is less handling of the item and it does not stay in transit as 
long.


At present, I am bating 1000, no damages and fast delivery.

I have also had excellent results using Greyhound express.  If you are 
shipping to a customer in a large city served by the Greyhound bus system, 
many times it never leaves the bus from the time you ship until it 
arrives.


If I sent you a large heavy item, I could put in on the bus in Tallahassee 
and it would stay in its place until it arrived in Dallas.


The cost is not that much when you consider the advantages.

Another thing I will share with you.  Go to a carpet store that does 
installations and ask for some scrap padding.


Take the unit and roll it up six or eight times and shove it into a large 
box.  This will give you about 8 to 10 inches of foam padding arouind the 
unit and.it's free



If it shipped that way with FedWrex or UPS and broken they will deny the 
claim.


It must be double boxed and hard foam used.

I suggest strongly that everyone carefully read the rules before getting 
burnt.


Carl
KM1H




Good Luck on the sale.

73,
Bob,W4WSZ


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'" 


Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship


I am thinking seriously about selling my Valiant and NC-183 and wonder if 
I
should take a chance on shipping either or both?  The Valiant is very 
heavy
as you all know and the NC-183 is no light weight.  If I don't agree to 
ship
it will certainly limit the possibility of selling them.  What do ya'll 
have

to say?  I received both via FedEx or UPS, I don't remember now, and both
were undamaged.

Thanks for any input..
Rick/K5IAR

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Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship

[jeremy-ca]

The Valiant will probably bring a good price even if the buyer has to drive 
to Alaska. The NC-183 has limited interest. A 183D is much more in demand.


I absolutely hate FedWrex, the name says it all. My results with UPS have 
been nearly perfect and instant payment when they break something.


Ive over 10K feedbacks on Ebay, most not radio related, so have a good 
feeling for what works, problem areas, etc.


Carl
KM1H


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'" 


Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship


I am thinking seriously about selling my Valiant and NC-183 and wonder if I
should take a chance on shipping either or both?  The Valiant is very heavy
as you all know and the NC-183 is no light weight.  If I don't agree to ship
it will certainly limit the possibility of selling them.  What do ya'll have
to say?  I received both via FedEx or UPS, I don't remember now, and both
were undamaged.

Thanks for any input..
Rick/K5IAR

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Re: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship

[w4wsz]

Hi Rick,

Over the past few weeks I have shipped a lot of stuff including several 
receivers (NC-183).


I used the USPS Priority mail on almost everything.  With priority mail, 
there is less handling of the item and it does not stay in transit as long.


At present, I am bating 1000, no damages and fast delivery.

I have also had excellent results using Greyhound express.  If you are 
shipping to a customer in a large city served by the Greyhound bus system, 
many times it never leaves the bus from the time you ship until it arrives.


If I sent you a large heavy item, I could put in on the bus in Tallahassee 
and it would stay in its place until it arrived in Dallas.


The cost is not that much when you consider the advantages.

Another thing I will share with you.  Go to a carpet store that does 
installations and ask for some scrap padding.


Take the unit and roll it up six or eight times and shove it into a large 
box.  This will give you about 8 to 10 inches of foam padding arouind the 
unit and.it's free


Good Luck on the sale.

73,
Bob,W4WSZ


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'" 


Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] To ship or not to ship


I am thinking seriously about selling my Valiant and NC-183 and wonder if I
should take a chance on shipping either or both?  The Valiant is very heavy
as you all know and the NC-183 is no light weight.  If I don't agree to ship
it will certainly limit the possibility of selling them.  What do ya'll have
to say?  I received both via FedEx or UPS, I don't remember now, and both
were undamaged.

Thanks for any input..
Rick/K5IAR

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[AMRadio] To ship or not to ship

[Rick Brashear]

I am thinking seriously about selling my Valiant and NC-183 and wonder if I
should take a chance on shipping either or both?  The Valiant is very heavy
as you all know and the NC-183 is no light weight.  If I don't agree to ship
it will certainly limit the possibility of selling them.  What do ya'll have
to say?  I received both via FedEx or UPS, I don't remember now, and both
were undamaged.

Thanks for any input..
Rick/K5IAR

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[AMRadio] SB10 meter needed

[John Lyles]

Does anyone have a Heathkit SB10 sideband adapter (nonworking is fine) that 
they would be willing to part out? Specifically I need the meter. 

73 
John K5PRO
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Mike Sawyer]

Geoff said:Someone needs to convince the SSB'ers that this is going to 
affect them,
as well as us.

Let's get -all- amateurs to drop their ARRL membership, if only for a
day (week) and send our so-called 'representatives' a little message...

They have been alerted. Apparently the editors over at CQ magazine detested 
the fact that this was underhanded and done without any input from members 
let alone US amateur operators that aren't members. Although, they believe 
in some sort of bandwidth regulation (to what regard I'm clueless) but they 
didn't care in how it was done. This is cut and paste from the AMfone.net 
forum.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK

CQ Magazine Editorial, from Editor Rich Moseson, W2VU  reposted with 
attribution, December 2007 issue


Here We Go Again

Six months ago, we took the ARRL to task in these pages for the secretive 
way in which it modified and then withdrew its controversial FCC petition 
proposing HF subbands based on bandwidth rather than mode (“The Secret 
Society,” June 2007). Now, it appears to be doing an end-run around not only 
its members but the FCC as well. As Ronald Reagan once famously said, “Here 
we go again.”

 To briefly review where we’ve been so far on this issue, back in 2002, the 
ARRL Board of Directors decided that, in order to best keep pace with 
developing technology, it would propose that the FCC change the way it 
divides up the amateur bands from the current mode basis (e.g., CW, phone, 
data, image) to one based on signal bandwidth (e.g., 200 Hz, 500 Hz, 3000 
Hz, 6000 Hz). This, the League reasoned, would encourage the development of 
new modes without needing specific FCC approval for each one, and would 
eliminate confusion over some of the existing newer modes, such as digital 
voice (is it voice or is it data?). The thinking was that not much would 
change in actual usage

—CW and narrow-bandwidth digital modes would continue to predominate in the 
200 and 500 Hz segments, while SSB would continue to be the primary mode in 
the 3000 Hz areas (and the divisions would match up with the current 
dividing lines between the CW and phone subbands). The concept became known 
as “regulation by bandwidth.”

 Before drafting its proposal, the ARRL wisely set out on a program of 
explaining the concept to anyone willing to listen and soliciting input from 
its members and the ham community at large. It stretched over three years. 
Finally, in late 2005, the League submitted a “regulation by bandwidth” 
petition to the FCC. Criticism was instantaneous and intense, and not always 
rooted in fact. Various subgroups within the hobby felt the ARRL was trying 
to promote one mode or activity at the expense of others (particularly 
theirs), and that this would be the end of amateur radio as we know it. CQ 
filed comments generally supporting the concept of regulation by bandwidth 
(we still do), but objecting to some of the specifics within the ARRL 
proposal. Others expressed their own views.

 In early 2007, realizing that the tide of amateur opinion was not yet 
attuned to the need to make changes, ARRL officials met quietly with FCC 
officials and submitted revisions that essentially gutted the proposal, then 
a couple of months later, withdrew the petition altogether. At the time, the 
League said it still felt that a shift to regulation by bandwidth was 
necessary and that it would revisit the issue in the future. It appears to 
be revisiting it now, and appears to be continuing the pattern started 
earlier this year of doing so very quietly and with very little explanation.

 The vehicle this time is Region II of the International Amateur Radio Union 
(IARU), which, on paper, is the international organization representing all 
national amateur radio societies before the International Telecommunications 
Union (ITU) and other international agencies. The ARRL, however, has always 
served as the IARU’s international secretariat; former ARRL officers have 
always served as IARU President (currently, it’s former ARRL President Larry 
Price, W4RA), and particularly here in Region II (North and South America), 
the ARRL has always had a tremendous amount of influence over IARU policy.

 In mid-October, IARU Region II quietly announced that it had adopted a new 
HF band plan, “as the way to better organize the use of our bands 
efficiently.” The brief introduction urged member societies “in coordination 
with the authorities, (to) incorporate it in their regulations an promote it 
widely with their radio amateur communities.”

 The new band plan takes effect January 1, 2008, and guess what? It’s broken 
down by bandwidths! Not only that, but it appears to do nearly everything 
that opponents of the original ARRL plan feared that it would do. It limits 
AM operation to two 25-kHz segments in the 75-meter band and frequencies 
above 29 MHz, does not provide at all for other wider-than-SSB voice modes 
such as independent sideband (ISB) or enhanced single sideban

Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Mike Sawyer]

Geoff said:Someone needs to convince the SSB'ers that this is going to affect 
them, 
as well as us.

Let's get -all- amateurs to drop their ARRL membership, if only for a 
day (week) and send our so-called 'representatives' a little message...

They have been alerted. Apparently the editors over at CQ magazine detested the 
fact that this was underhanded and done without any input from members let 
alone US amateur operators that aren't members. Although, they believe in some 
sort of bandwidth regulation (to what regard I'm clueless) but they didn't care 
in how it was done. This is cut and paste from the AMfone.net forum.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK

CQ Magazine Editorial, from Editor Rich Moseson, W2VU  reposted with 
attribution, December 2007 issue 


Here We Go Again

Six months ago, we took the ARRL to task in these pages for the secretive way 
in which it modified and then withdrew its controversial FCC petition proposing 
HF subbands based on bandwidth rather than mode (“The Secret Society,” June 
2007). Now, it appears to be doing an end-run around not only its members but 
the FCC as well. As Ronald Reagan once famously said, “Here we go again.”

 To briefly review where we’ve been so far on this issue, back in 2002, the 
ARRL Board of Directors decided that, in order to best keep pace with 
developing technology, it would propose that the FCC change the way it divides 
up the amateur bands from the current mode basis (e.g., CW, phone, data, image) 
to one based on signal bandwidth (e.g., 200 Hz, 500 Hz, 3000 Hz, 6000 Hz). 
This, the League reasoned, would encourage the development of new modes without 
needing specific FCC approval for each one, and would eliminate confusion over 
some of the existing newer modes, such as digital voice (is it voice or is it 
data?). The thinking was that not much would change in actual usage

—CW and narrow-bandwidth digital modes would continue to predominate in the 200 
and 500 Hz segments, while SSB would continue to be the primary mode in the 
3000 Hz areas (and the divisions would match up with the current dividing lines 
between the CW and phone subbands). The concept became known as “regulation by 
bandwidth.”

 Before drafting its proposal, the ARRL wisely set out on a program of 
explaining the concept to anyone willing to listen and soliciting input from 
its members and the ham community at large. It stretched over three years. 
Finally, in late 2005, the League submitted a “regulation by bandwidth” 
petition to the FCC. Criticism was instantaneous and intense, and not always 
rooted in fact. Various subgroups within the hobby felt the ARRL was trying to 
promote one mode or activity at the expense of others (particularly theirs), 
and that this would be the end of amateur radio as we know it. CQ filed 
comments generally supporting the concept of regulation by bandwidth (we still 
do), but objecting to some of the specifics within the ARRL proposal. Others 
expressed their own views.

 In early 2007, realizing that the tide of amateur opinion was not yet attuned 
to the need to make changes, ARRL officials met quietly with FCC officials and 
submitted revisions that essentially gutted the proposal, then a couple of 
months later, withdrew the petition altogether. At the time, the League said it 
still felt that a shift to regulation by bandwidth was necessary and that it 
would revisit the issue in the future. It appears to be revisiting it now, and 
appears to be continuing the pattern started earlier this year of doing so very 
quietly and with very little explanation.

 The vehicle this time is Region II of the International Amateur Radio Union 
(IARU), which, on paper, is the international organization representing all 
national amateur radio societies before the International Telecommunications 
Union (ITU) and other international agencies. The ARRL, however, has always 
served as the IARU’s international secretariat; former ARRL officers have 
always served as IARU President (currently, it’s former ARRL President Larry 
Price, W4RA), and particularly here in Region II (North and South America), the 
ARRL has always had a tremendous amount of influence over IARU policy.

 In mid-October, IARU Region II quietly announced that it had adopted a new HF 
band plan, “as the way to better organize the use of our bands efficiently.” 
The brief introduction urged member societies “in coordination with the 
authorities, (to) incorporate it in their regulations an promote it widely with 
their radio amateur communities.”

 The new band plan takes effect January 1, 2008, and guess what? It’s broken 
down by bandwidths! Not only that, but it appears to do nearly everything that 
opponents of the original ARRL plan feared that it would do. It limits AM 
operation to two 25-kHz segments in the 75-meter band and frequencies above 29 
MHz, does not provide at all for other wider-tha

Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Geoff/W5OMR]

Y'all gotta understand -my- position...

I've never felt the need to 'join' some ham-radio based organization (I 
don't care if it's local radio clubs, or repeater organizations), just 
because as a ham, I want to communicate with -other- hams.


To me, it's always been (yet another) way for someone to get their hand 
in your wallet, under the guise of 'dues' and donations. 

I've been there, done that.  I studied, learned and EARNED my Ham 
ticket, and hold the Extra class license by passing the 20wpm test.  I 
EARNED my license.  Why should I pay someone else to 'talk' with my license?


--
73



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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Bob Macklin]

As I see it al you get for belonging to the ARRl is their magazine that has
mostly stuff I am not interested in. I have no use for RICEBOXES!

They stopped selling QST on magazine stands a few years ago. I just bought
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- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


> Mike Sawyer wrote:
>
> >> I see it differently.  If the ARRL doesn't represent the wants and
needs
> >> of the amateur community, as a whole, then the amateur community, as a
> >> whole, should drop their membership.
> >>
> >> Vote with your feet.
> > Thats what I did Geoff, about ten years ago.
> >
>
> Someone needs to convince the SSB'ers that this is going to affect them,
> as well as us.
>
> Let's get -all- amateurs to drop their ARRL membership, if only for a
> day (week) and send our so-called 'representatives' a little message...
>
> -- 
> Driving your AM Rig without a scope,
> is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV)
>
> --
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR
>
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Geoff/W5OMR]

Mike Sawyer wrote:


I see it differently.  If the ARRL doesn't represent the wants and needs
of the amateur community, as a whole, then the amateur community, as a
whole, should drop their membership.

Vote with your feet.
Thats what I did Geoff, about ten years ago. 
  


Someone needs to convince the SSB'ers that this is going to affect them, 
as well as us.


Let's get -all- amateurs to drop their ARRL membership, if only for a 
day (week) and send our so-called 'representatives' a little message...


--
Driving your AM Rig without a scope, 
is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV)


--
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR

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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Mike Sawyer]

Thats what I did Geoff, about ten years ago. The way they handled the 
debacle over CW back in '93, the (be)League(d) Fatigue with Rich Measures, 
AG6K, the way they handle elections when their vetted people are challenged 
by outsiders, how they deem that they MAY have potential conflicts of 
interests, and declare them unqualified(I think this just happened again in 
NM?) and now this crap! They have a knack for not representing the best 
interests of amateur radio, regardless of what some "Snakeoil Salesmen" 
might have you think!
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK

- Original Message - 
From: Geoff/W5OMR
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

I see it differently.  If the ARRL doesn't represent the wants and needs
of the amateur community, as a whole, then the amateur community, as a
whole, should drop their membership.

Vote with your feet.

-- 
Driving your AM Rig without a scope,
is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV)

--
73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR

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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Geoff/W5OMR]

David Knepper wrote:
  The climate has changed somewhat but we must join the ARRL to vote 
those out that do not represent us fairly and equitably.


I see it differently.  If the ARRL doesn't represent the wants and needs 
of the amateur community, as a whole, then the amateur community, as a 
whole, should drop their membership.


Vote with your feet.

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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Geoff/W5OMR]

David Knepper wrote:
In all due respect, I keep wondering if any of these individuals who 
keep criticizing the ARRL actually are members.


Members or not, what the Awful Racket Raising League does, affects -all- 
amateurs.


ALL Amateurs, ARRL members or not, have a voice in this matter, as it 
affects us all.



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[AMRadio] WTB: Transformer - 2.5v @ 10A

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Again I thought I had this covered but I don't:

2.5v @ 10A for a pair of 866s.

Please respond direct to me. Thanks.

73,

Mark W1EOF
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Jim Wilhite]

Most of the argument is the "slippery slope"analogy.  The opening shot 
was fired by the ARRL in its regulation by bandwidth proposal.


That was met with a lot of resistance, especially by those of us who 
like to use AM.  Our main contention was that AM was only mentioned as a 
footnote in the proposal and the ARRL defended their proposal with 
fanfare.  At the very least, it seemed to be a defense not a discussion 
and they did not even mention AM as a mode, just focused on the wideband 
digital modes.


There were two groups that opposed the RM.  One was those of us who like 
and use AM.  The other was the group who read the proposal about 
automatic forwarding of "internet mail" by robot transmitters that would 
transmit no matter if the frequency was in use or not.


Now comes this.  The ARRL representative goes to the IARU meeting and is 
mentioned as the source of the bandwidth proposal being inserted into 
plan.  This made it seem as if something underhanded was occurring.  So 
with that in mind, most of the AM community and many SSB operators are 
incensed at the whole mess.  Ron/W6OM offered to host an internet 
seminar to give the ARRL officers a chance to explain their position and 
take questions about it.  This would have been a perfect opportunity to 
gain support for their position.  The officers have received a deluge of 
email messages and so have the directors and all attempts have been met 
with silence from the ARRL staff and some directors.  This lends an air 
of secrecy to what is happening at ARRL.


To have an effective voice in the ARRL one needs to be a member for 
sure, but considering the ARRL represents the amateur community world 
wide, they should be willing to accept input from any amateur, member or 
not.  So with this in mind, the ARRL doesn't enjoy much support from the 
AM community.  Our option seems be to sponsor a recall election for the 
directors to get their attention that we are serious.  The ARRL officers 
and directors are in a precarious position of having more knowledge of 
what is on the world stage than most of us, and they must communicate it 
to us in an effective considerate way.


I submit they are not communicating well or effectively.  About 1/2 of 
the opposition to regulation by bandwidth would have disappeared if they 
had modified the proposal to include AM as a mainstream mode.  So now we 
are fighting the IARU proposal knowing that someday down stream the 
regulation by bandwidth will reappear to our determent.  Just how do you 
propose we should react?


Jim/W5JO


- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


The B/C committee of Region 2 was chartered with developing the 
revised
Region 2 band plan based on the structure and fill of the existing 
Region

1 band plan with "regional and frequency" differences taken into
account". Since the voluntary Region 1 band plan has been in existence
since January 2006, what rules are the amateurs in these countries
covered by Region 1 following. We know that a number of U. S. amateurs
have worked European stations on 75 over the last several months. Are 
the

European amateurs actually limiting their AM bandwidth to 2700 Hz.

Pete, wa2cwa




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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Peter Markavage]

The B/C committee of Region 2 was chartered with developing the revised
Region 2 band plan based on the structure and fill of the existing Region
1 band plan with "regional and frequency" differences taken into
account". Since the voluntary Region 1 band plan has been in existence
since January 2006, what rules are the amateurs in these countries
covered by Region 1 following. We know that a number of U. S. amateurs
have worked European stations on 75 over the last several months. Are the
European amateurs actually limiting their AM bandwidth to 2700 Hz. 

Pete, wa2cwa


On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:45:51 -0600 "D. Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> >>The ARRL rep says the IARU region 2 bandplan is not meant for US 
> hams
> > -
> >
> > Why not?  The USA is in Region 2.  Radio signals don't stop at 
> national
> > borders - that's why a *regional* plan would be developed in the 
> first
> > place.  And can't we participate in the changing of the bandplan 
> for
> > our region if it includes other countries?  Hams in other 
> countries
> > aren't to be allowed to run all the modes we do in the United 
> States?
> 
> AM operation is not confined to the USA or even to the USA and 
> Canada.  I 
> have worked numerous AM stations in the Caribbean, and have heard 
> Cuban AM 
> signals on 160 many times, even though they have always been too 
> weak for me 
> to successfully work.  If AM is to remain a mainstream  facet of 
> amateur 
> radio, we don't want it to become a US-only activity for several 
> reasons. 
> There is quite a bit of interest in AM in Europe and Australia at 
> present, 
> so why not Central and South America?
> 
> The more world-wide interest there is in the mode, the more the 
> likelihood 
> that the manufacturers will continue to include AM capability on the 
> 
> store-bought transceivers that are sold worldwide.  Worldwide AM 
> capability 
> means more international interest in the mode.  More than just a few 
> 
> present-day AM'ers got their interest sparked when they tried out a 
> 
> transceiver on AM, and some of these hams have managed to generate 
> excellent 
> signals on the air using transceivers, equipped with high quality 
> microphones and maybe some type of audio processing,  working into 
> linears. 
> Others have actually opened the covers of their transceivers and 
> made 
> MODIFICATIONS (gasp!) to improve the quality of their AM signals.  
> Others 
> have since acquired or built plate modulated tube type rigs or gone 
> the 
> solid state class-E  route.
> 
> If AM is limited to a  relatively small group of US hams while the 
> rest of 
> the world goes the way of regulation-by-bandwidth and exclusion of 
> AM, and 
> if AM capability disappears from the popular radios sold worldwide, 
> it will 
> just be a matter of time until we see international pressure to 
> follow suit 
> in the USA.
> 
> This is just one of the reasons why the proposition that the IARU 
> bandplan 
> is not meant for US hams, that it will have no effect on what we are 
> allowed 
> do under Part 97, and that it is strictly voluntary and therefore US 
> hams 
> are under no obligation to conform to its recommendations,  is a 
> bogus 
> argument.
> 
> Don k4kyv 
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[D. Chester]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



The ARRL rep says the IARU region 2 bandplan is not meant for US hams

-

Why not?  The USA is in Region 2.  Radio signals don't stop at national
borders - that's why a *regional* plan would be developed in the first
place.  And can't we participate in the changing of the bandplan for
our region if it includes other countries?  Hams in other countries
aren't to be allowed to run all the modes we do in the United States?


AM operation is not confined to the USA or even to the USA and Canada.  I 
have worked numerous AM stations in the Caribbean, and have heard Cuban AM 
signals on 160 many times, even though they have always been too weak for me 
to successfully work.  If AM is to remain a mainstream  facet of amateur 
radio, we don't want it to become a US-only activity for several reasons. 
There is quite a bit of interest in AM in Europe and Australia at present, 
so why not Central and South America?


The more world-wide interest there is in the mode, the more the likelihood 
that the manufacturers will continue to include AM capability on the 
store-bought transceivers that are sold worldwide.  Worldwide AM capability 
means more international interest in the mode.  More than just a few 
present-day AM'ers got their interest sparked when they tried out a 
transceiver on AM, and some of these hams have managed to generate excellent 
signals on the air using transceivers, equipped with high quality 
microphones and maybe some type of audio processing,  working into linears. 
Others have actually opened the covers of their transceivers and made 
MODIFICATIONS (gasp!) to improve the quality of their AM signals.  Others 
have since acquired or built plate modulated tube type rigs or gone the 
solid state class-E  route.


If AM is limited to a  relatively small group of US hams while the rest of 
the world goes the way of regulation-by-bandwidth and exclusion of AM, and 
if AM capability disappears from the popular radios sold worldwide, it will 
just be a matter of time until we see international pressure to follow suit 
in the USA.


This is just one of the reasons why the proposition that the IARU bandplan 
is not meant for US hams, that it will have no effect on what we are allowed 
do under Part 97, and that it is strictly voluntary and therefore US hams 
are under no obligation to conform to its recommendations,  is a bogus 
argument.


Don k4kyv 


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Re: [AMRadio] BPL - was: IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[rbethman]

I submit that NEITHER the ARRL or FCC "HAS" resolved NOR fixed the BPL 
issue!


Further "homework" and research is in order.

Try: 

THEN tell US about BPL resolution.

Bob - N0DGN Manassas, VA


David Knepper wrote:

Thanks, Pete for this.

It refreshing when someone like you does his homework.

Dave, W3ST - W3CRA

- Original Message - From: "Peter Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


If it wasn't for the ARRL exposing the BPL interference issues and 
taking

the FCC and the BPL companies to task about the interference and
noncompliance to current FCC rules and regulations, a number of amateur
radio geographic areas definitely would be in worst shape today 
regarding

BPL.

Pete, wa2cwa



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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Peter Markavage]

I also agree that being a member provides you the power to help vote in a
Director and Vice-Director that truly represents your amateur radio
interests and also has background in your own "special interest". I
recently read somewhere that one of the newly elected Directors is also a
big contest participant. I suspect if "contest issues" came before the
BoD, he would help being their advocate.
I believe that now makes two contesters on the BoD. I guess they knew
where to get the votes. So, lets count the number of Directors and
Vice-Directors that we know, that include "AM" in their bio as part of
their on the air pass-time. 
(very long pause and now an even longer pause) 
Members, with some incentive, could make a number appear. It just takes
some work. And, if you work real hard, you might even convince the BoD to
vote out most of the top staff if you feel they're not doing things in
the best interest for the future of amateur radio.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:54:54 -0500 "David Knepper"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> First of all, Warren, you make a very convincing argument.  I would 
> vote 
> directors in that truly represent the hobby.  I recall many years 
> ago, the 
> former Atlantic Director (Hugh Thurbill??)  and I had a frank 
> discussion on 
> AM at a local hamfest he attended.  He was not very receptive to my 
> support 
> of  AM.  Years later I met him again and he had mellowed a bit.  I 
> am glad 
> that he no longer represents me.  The climate has changed somewhat 
> but we 
> must join the ARRL to vote those out that do not represent us fairly 
> and 
> equitably.
> 
> Dave, W3ST - W3CRA
> Collins Radio Association
> www.collinsra.com
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Re: [AMRadio] RE: [BOATANCHORS-TEMPE] Shipping etc.

[jeremy-ca]

I refer to them as FedWrex. Ive pretty much stopped Ebay buying from sellers 
that insist on using them.


The last one was a mint 1928 Philco 511 radio and speaker. Both double 
boxed. The radio got dented and the speaker totally destroyed.


Still fighting for payment.

Carl
KM1H


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "AM" ; "Boatanchors" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] RE: [BOATANCHORS-TEMPE] Shipping etc.



Hi Fred and Group...You
mention Fed X as the preferred
shipper. BEWARE, Fed X has a
policy that anything that is
not NEW or OLD stuff that we
all love has a $100 limit on
Insurance Payback. I took a
DX100 to have shipped when the
packing company showed me the
FED X rules on antiques and
old stuff. She said even if
you pay for $1000 insurance
that they will only pay $100
of it. Needless to say we used
UPS and had no problems  DX100
arrived safely...


Very Best 73's
Bob W1PE
The Voice of Mesquite
www.w1pe.com

"Money is only temporary, but
radios are forever" - Jim
Little aka "the old dog"/K5BAI



-Original Message-
From: Boat Anchor Owners and
Collectors List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
EMPE.GOV] On Behalf Of FRED
HOLNAGEL
Sent: Sunday, November 25,
2007 12:08 PM
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [BOATANCHORS-TEMPE]
Shipping etc.

Good day list. I'm glad to
find out there are new
regulations on parcel services
from USPS. I've been inactive
for awhile. I agree Fed-Ex is
probably the preferred shipper
on larger items within the
U.S. I can not stress,
however, the importance of
proper packaging. Using all of
the services available
domestic and foreign, I have
shipped over 2000 packages
worldwide in the past 7 years
with no damages. I think those
of us with good shipping
results should get together,
compare notes and make them
available to those who have
not been so lucky! Some of my
items have been expensive
accoustic  musical instruments
and transmitting tubes. I do
not trust commercial
packagers, the only good thing
about them is that they bear
the insurance claims!  Fred
W7PRV


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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[David Knepper]

Thanks, Pete for this.

It refreshing when someone like you does his homework.

Dave, W3ST - W3CRA
Collins Radio Association
www.collinsra.com
Join the largest Collins group in the world
Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and
Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST 

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO



If it wasn't for the ARRL exposing the BPL interference issues and taking
the FCC and the BPL companies to task about the interference and
noncompliance to current FCC rules and regulations, a number of amateur
radio geographic areas definitely would be in worst shape today regarding
BPL.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:27:39 -0500 Warren Elly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:

Hello Dave...

been a member of arrl from before i got licensed...now 41 years...
I can't stand up for an organization that through my life has done  


nothing more than
build hurtle after hurtle for the growth and future of the hobby.
 From the  BPL disaster (can you just imagine how much of our money  

was wasted on that?) to the missed opportunities to expose amateur  

radio to the national media in the 2004 hurricanes, to the sad 
litany  
of licensing 'reform' over four decades, and the half-baked,  thinly 
 
disguised attempt through IARU to once again
put the vintage community (30 percent of their membership by some  
surveys)under the
boot, you'll never sell us that standing up for the league is in our 
 
best interest.
Too bad we can't just file a class action suit, but first we'd have 
to  
figure out what planet these people are on...in order to serve the  


papers
73, Warren W1GUD

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[AMRadio] RE: [BOATANCHORS-TEMPE] Shipping etc.

[Bob Peters]

Hi Fred and Group...You
mention Fed X as the preferred
shipper. BEWARE, Fed X has a
policy that anything that is
not NEW or OLD stuff that we
all love has a $100 limit on
Insurance Payback. I took a
DX100 to have shipped when the
packing company showed me the
FED X rules on antiques and
old stuff. She said even if
you pay for $1000 insurance
that they will only pay $100
of it. Needless to say we used
UPS and had no problems  DX100
arrived safely...


Very Best 73's
Bob W1PE
The Voice of Mesquite
www.w1pe.com

"Money is only temporary, but
radios are forever" - Jim
Little aka "the old dog"/K5BAI



-Original Message-
From: Boat Anchor Owners and
Collectors List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
EMPE.GOV] On Behalf Of FRED
HOLNAGEL
Sent: Sunday, November 25,
2007 12:08 PM
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [BOATANCHORS-TEMPE]
Shipping etc.

Good day list. I'm glad to
find out there are new
regulations on parcel services
from USPS. I've been inactive
for awhile. I agree Fed-Ex is
probably the preferred shipper
on larger items within the
U.S. I can not stress,
however, the importance of
proper packaging. Using all of
the services available
domestic and foreign, I have
shipped over 2000 packages
worldwide in the past 7 years
with no damages. I think those
of us with good shipping
results should get together,
compare notes and make them
available to those who have
not been so lucky! Some of my
items have been expensive
accoustic  musical instruments
and transmitting tubes. I do
not trust commercial
packagers, the only good thing
about them is that they bear
the insurance claims!  Fred
W7PRV 


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RE: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Grant Youngman]

It just seems to me that the fear mongers are spending too much time afraid
somebody is going to rain on their little parade, without there having yet
been any consequential rain.  Too much sparring for a fight, too much
passing the blame for every ill to "them".

I operate AM, too.  But this entire thread (or really the entire mentality)
of "somebody's going to steal my little red shovel and it's MINE" is quite
over the top.  

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Markavage
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:08 AM
> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO
> 
> I know no such thing.
> As far as I know, neither WD5BZO nor I, wear skirts.
> I really have no idea if you read those posts.
> I don't see where any pooches were involved.
> I provided a link to review, not an excuse.
> I fail to see where any "damage" as been done other then in 
> the minds of
> "some" people unless there is a belief that a voluntary band plan can
> somehow take precedence over our current FCC rules and regulations.
> Possibly too much "bone-sauces" on the turkey!
> 
> Note: My responses above should follow your initial responses below if
> you follow typical reading/response patterns.
> Pete, wa2cwa
> 
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:48:16 -0500 "Mike Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > Pete you know that is 100% horse hockey!! 
> > They are pumping sunshine up your skirt just like they did 
> to WD5BZO.
> > I read both of those posts and you know it!
> > This is a simple fact that the ARRgghhL screwed the pooch big time. 
> > Sorry, your excuses aren't good enough to pacify the masses. 
> > The damage is done and the bone-sauces up in Newington are 
> responsible!
> > Mike(y)
> > W3SLK
> 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: Peter Markavage
> > To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO
> > 
> > 
> > If you haven't read the e-mail dialog between Larry, W8ER, and Joel 
> > (ARRL
> > President), W5ZN, on November 13 and 17, you probably should.  It 
> > might
> > shed some additional light on the items presented in the WD5BZO 
> > audio.
> > 
> > Go to:
> > http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=12262.380
> > And it's Reply 396.
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Peter Markavage]

Ed is an ARRL paid staff member and as such, is directed by his own
management. You cannot separate the two.
As far as BPL and the Motorola System, you probably need to read/re-read
their(ARRL) test reports.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:37:23 -0500 "Mike Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> No Pete,
> That was Ed Hare that was holding BPL to task. If there was a 
> way, I 
> donate $40 directly to Ed since it was HIS efforts that made the 
> difference. 
> And if you recall, the ARRgghhL bought into the new BPL system 
> launched by 
> Motorola. It wasn't much better than any of the other systems out 
> there.
> Mod-U-Lator,
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK
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[AMRadio] OT: Birpy Hapday to you, birpy hapday to you, W4AWM

[Zengmeiste]

 Hey, John  ...70!? Kewl, and congrats.
 And many happy returns of the day.

 73, 
  Terry B, KC9KEL**Check 
out AOL's list 
of 2007's hottest products.
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Re: [AMRadio] Correct RS address

[Geoff/W5OMR]

Ellen Rugowski wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: "charles L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Correct RS address


  

Try hamradiocenter.biz, without the www

Charlie



 Cool!  BTW Geoff, they still have the Nye Viking tuner.
  


good kW tuner, for someone who wants to drop $160 on one.

I've -two- 2kW tuners as it is.

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Re: [AMRadio] Correct RS address

[Geoff/W5OMR]

Mike Sawyer wrote:

That works. Thanks Charlie.
- Original Message - 
From: charles L.

To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Correct RS address


Try hamradiocenter.biz, without the www


I had tried that, but the default resolution went to 
'www.hamradiocenter.biz', even if I typed it in without the 'www'.


*shrug*

Could be they were working on the page, or there was a downed server, or 
a glitch in the path.  It worked prior, didn't work, and couldn't ping 
it, couldn't even get a DNS to recognize the name, for a bit.  Now it's 
working.


Chalk it up to -more internet weirdness-

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Re: [AMRadio] WA9ZTY

[Ellen Rugowski]

- Original Message - 
From: "JACK C. SHUTT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] WA9ZTY


> Hi Brian,
>
>   Yes, Rob is a fine fellow who hosts the Midwest Classic Radio Net on
3885 on Saturday mornings.  He is is in Marshall, Wisconsin.  Yes, the QRM
goes both ways this time of year.  When seasonal conditions improve,
unfortunately we can hear each other regularly on the popular frequencies,
so it becomes a challenge to conduct more local communications without
QRMing someone half-way across the country.   The solution is
obviousspread out.  I realize that moving is somewhat more of an
inconvenience for those who may be xtal-controlled.  It is also sometimes a
problem with the old boatanchor stuff, with some ops having difficulty
accurately zeroing each other and consequently occupying a broader range of
frequencies in one QSO.
>
>   Talk about problems with QRM..we are constantly battling the SSB
"Buzzard Net" on 3888 and other groups of slopbucket nimrods on 3884 and
3878.  They essentially pretend not to hear AM operations already on or near
the frequency.  Oh well...seems that it goes with the territory...sure is
clearer down the band, but it is difficult getting everyone to spread out
and get out of the so-called "ghetto".  We are creatures of habit...and we
really enjoy congregating around frequencies where we know other AMers
probably will be listening.
>
>   73,  Jack, W9GT
>
> "A.R.S. - WA5AM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   I wonder if anyone on the list knows WA9ZTY. I was going to email
> him, however I can not find any email or phone number for him.
>
> He is part of a group that meets just above 3890 in the mornings,
> however I can not figure out exactly what frequency they think they
> are operating on since they are spread out from 3889 to 3892.5+.
> There is a group in my area that meets each morning on 3890, and at
> times these fellow AM'ers in 9 land really hit us hard when they are
> operating in such a wide area. I'd really like to see if they
> wouldn't mind trying to get close to one another so at least our notch
> filters will work as intended, etc. They really don't seem to be
> minding what frequency they transmit on. Don't get me wrong, a few
> hundred cycles doesn't bother me one bit, but when one group operates
> in an area of nearly 4kcs consistently each morning, it becomes very
> annoying for us.
>
> If anyone knows how to get in touch with these fellows, I would
> appreciate if you would politely ask them if they could zero beat one
> another. If you prefer, send me the contact info, and I will talk
> with them. I'm sure we can work something out.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brian / wa5am
>
>
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> old dawg"/K5BAI

I agree with Jack.  I also check into the Midwest Classic Net (although
lately, with rig problems, I've been QRTfrom it).  It's a very popular net,
and I got my Viking II via this net.  It starts at 7:30AM CST.  There are
enough check-ins that it oftentimes doesn't even get to general (no-traffic,
no "wanted to buy', or  no "for sale" traffic) until after 8:30 AM.  Rob is
a good NCS.  When he's unable to take the net, Rodger, WQ9E will be NCS with
his Viking 500 or Desk kW. Rodger took the net yesterday, and told me in an
e-mail that there were some QRM issues.

73,
Ellen - AF9J

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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Mike Sawyer]

No Pete,
That was Ed Hare that was holding BPL to task. If there was a way, I 
donate $40 directly to Ed since it was HIS efforts that made the difference. 
And if you recall, the ARRgghhL bought into the new BPL system launched by 
Motorola. It wasn't much better than any of the other systems out there.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message - 
From: Peter Markavage
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


If it wasn't for the ARRL exposing the BPL interference issues and taking
the FCC and the BPL companies to task about the interference and
noncompliance to current FCC rules and regulations, a number of amateur
radio geographic areas definitely would be in worst shape today regarding
BPL.

Pete, wa2cwa 

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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Peter Markavage]

If it wasn't for the ARRL exposing the BPL interference issues and taking
the FCC and the BPL companies to task about the interference and
noncompliance to current FCC rules and regulations, a number of amateur
radio geographic areas definitely would be in worst shape today regarding
BPL.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:27:39 -0500 Warren Elly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Hello Dave...
> 
> been a member of arrl from before i got licensed...now 41 years...
> I can't stand up for an organization that through my life has done  
> 
> nothing more than
> build hurtle after hurtle for the growth and future of the hobby.
>  From the  BPL disaster (can you just imagine how much of our money  
> 
> was wasted on that?) to the missed opportunities to expose amateur  
> 
> radio to the national media in the 2004 hurricanes, to the sad 
> litany  
> of licensing 'reform' over four decades, and the half-baked,  thinly 
>  
> disguised attempt through IARU to once again
> put the vintage community (30 percent of their membership by some  
> surveys)under the
> boot, you'll never sell us that standing up for the league is in our 
>  
> best interest.
> Too bad we can't just file a class action suit, but first we'd have 
> to  
> figure out what planet these people are on...in order to serve the  
> 
> papers
> 73, Warren W1GUD
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Peter Markavage]

You have to be a member of the ARRL to vote for Directors and
Vice-Directors.
If a remember correctly, the votes are tallied by an outside independent
organization.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:57:01 -0500 "Anthony W. DePrato"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
. My only question is WHY do 
> 
> >we not get a group to run in each section and state and back them 
> to 
> >replace this bunch. I really think that the AM and CW groups have 
> >more then enough votes to do it. but then again the POWER MONGERS 
> >count the votes
> 
> 73 Tony
> 
> 
> 
> QBE  ZUT  DE WA4JQS
> 
> ANTHONY W. (Tony) DePrato WA4JQS EXTRA - HEAVY
> Since 1962
> CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35
> A1-OP  FISTS  # 10573   SKCC #1227 F.O.P.
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> CALLS HELD:
> WA4JQS/ZS1, WA4JQS/KC4, WA4JQS/4K1
> ZD8JQS, V31SS, VP8BZL, VP8SSI, 3Y0PI
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[AMRadio] Subscribe to the ARRL ?

[VJB]

Dave, 

Your posting about whether people are "members" of the
ARRL is somewhat off-topic if you intended to present
it as part of the discussion about the controversial
IARU Region 2 band plan.

Subscribing to the ARRL is not a contingency for their
representation of U.S. licensees at the IARU. Nor is
it a pre-requisite for their obligation to respond to
concerns as expressed on the matter.

As the "member society" or representative club for
U.S. licensees at the IARU, at least for the time
being, their obligations to us do not hinge on whether
any of us has paid dues to the ARRL.

Separately, in response to you question, I paid $39 to
take part in the Atlantic Division survey conducted by
volunteer & elected Director Bill Edgar, N3LLR. The
results of that survey, which included the Great Lakes
and Delta Divisions as well, showed nearly 20 percent
of the respondents listed AM as among their HF
activities.

That finding was worth the price of admission, and if
anything, should have precluded the kind of treatment
against the AM community caused by Paul Rinaldo at the
IARU conference in Brazil.

If you or anyone else can find a way to hold him
accountable, and/or the ARRL Board of Directors that
Joel Harrison said gave him the policy to carry out at
Brazil, then you will be earning the $39 you have
spent to subscribe to the League. (contradiction
deliberate)

Paul/VJB



  

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Re: [AMRadio] WA9ZTY

[JACK C. SHUTT]

Hi Brian,
   
  Yes, Rob is a fine fellow who hosts the Midwest Classic Radio Net on 3885 on 
Saturday mornings.  He is is in Marshall, Wisconsin.  Yes, the QRM goes both 
ways this time of year.  When seasonal conditions improve, unfortunately we can 
hear each other regularly on the popular frequencies, so it becomes a challenge 
to conduct more local communications without QRMing someone half-way across the 
country.   The solution is obviousspread out.  I realize that moving is 
somewhat more of an inconvenience for those who may be xtal-controlled.  It is 
also sometimes a problem with the old boatanchor stuff, with some ops having 
difficulty accurately zeroing each other and consequently occupying a broader 
range of frequencies in one QSO.  
   
  Talk about problems with QRM..we are constantly battling the SSB "Buzzard 
Net" on 3888 and other groups of slopbucket nimrods on 3884 and 3878.  They 
essentially pretend not to hear AM operations already on or near the frequency. 
 Oh well...seems that it goes with the territory...sure is clearer down the 
band, but it is difficult getting everyone to spread out and get out of the 
so-called "ghetto".  We are creatures of habit...and we really enjoy 
congregating around frequencies where we know other AMers probably will be 
listening.  
   
  73,  Jack, W9GT

"A.R.S. - WA5AM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I wonder if anyone on the list knows WA9ZTY. I was going to email
him, however I can not find any email or phone number for him.

He is part of a group that meets just above 3890 in the mornings,
however I can not figure out exactly what frequency they think they
are operating on since they are spread out from 3889 to 3892.5+.
There is a group in my area that meets each morning on 3890, and at
times these fellow AM'ers in 9 land really hit us hard when they are
operating in such a wide area. I'd really like to see if they
wouldn't mind trying to get close to one another so at least our notch
filters will work as intended, etc. They really don't seem to be
minding what frequency they transmit on. Don't get me wrong, a few
hundred cycles doesn't bother me one bit, but when one group operates
in an area of nearly 4kcs consistently each morning, it becomes very
annoying for us.

If anyone knows how to get in touch with these fellows, I would
appreciate if you would politely ask them if they could zero beat one
another. If you prefer, send me the contact info, and I will talk
with them. I'm sure we can work something out.

Thanks!

Brian / wa5am


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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Anthony W. DePrato]

  The climate has changed somewhat but we must join the ARRL to 
vote those out that do not represent us fairly and equitably.


Dave, W3ST - W3CRA
Dave:


i have been a member since  1962 and they HAVE NOT helped me in 
years.. and you are correct i keep asking the same question why do we 
let these creeps stay in office. the AM and CW groups should pull 
together and get a member to run in each section or state and vote 
these weird-o's out. but i worry about the VOTE since they are the 
bean counters..

73 Tony



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Since 1962
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DXCC 40, 20, 15, 10 METERS
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WA4JQS/ZS1, WA4JQS/KC4, WA4JQS/4K1
ZD8JQS, V31SS, VP8BZL, VP8SSI, 3Y0PI

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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Anthony W. DePrato]

Well I got into it over the cw issue a few years back with the ARRL 
leadership. I have been a member since 1962 and watched it go from a 
great Org. to a bunch of self centered creeps. I was even sent a 
copy of an email telling the state SM to pull my appointment because 
I did not agree with doing away with the cw requirement. I was a 
trouble maker and NOT a TEAM PLAYER. hi hi... yep they are correct i 
am not on their team. I even told one guy how to start a RECALL. man 
did that start flames. I just gave up as i knew they did not have 
the best interests of Ham Radio at Heart. just What they wanted and 
needed to sell radios and keep the big money rolling in for their 
little trips. They want the computer world tied to ham radio and 
became one and the same in the long run. My only question is WHY do 
we not get a group to run in each section and state and back them to 
replace this bunch. I really think that the AM and CW groups have 
more then enough votes to do it. but then again the POWER MONGERS 
count the votes


73 Tony



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ANTHONY W. (Tony) DePrato WA4JQS EXTRA - HEAVY
Since 1962
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A1-OP  FISTS  # 10573   SKCC #1227 F.O.P.
DXCC PHONE- DXCC CW- DXCC RTTY- DXCC MIXED
DXCC 40, 20, 15, 10 METERS
South Sandwich Island Dxpedition Group
CALLS HELD:
WA4JQS/ZS1, WA4JQS/KC4, WA4JQS/4K1
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Re: [AMRadio] Correct RS address

[Anthony W. DePrato]

At 03:54 PM 11/24/2007, you wrote:

hamradiocenter.biz



nice RF WATTMETER GT 550 for $75.00  has ant switch build in. and 
4000 watts high  400 watts low. had a few of these .

73 Tony



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ANTHONY W. (Tony) DePrato WA4JQS EXTRA - HEAVY
Since 1962
CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35
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South Sandwich Island Dxpedition Group
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[AMRadio] WA9ZTY

[A.R.S. - WA5AM]

I wonder if anyone on the list knows WA9ZTY.  I was going to email
him, however I can not find any email or phone number for him.

He is part of a group that meets just above 3890 in the mornings,
however I can not figure out exactly what frequency they think they
are operating on since they are spread out from 3889 to 3892.5+.
There is a group in my area that meets each morning on 3890, and at
times these fellow AM'ers in 9 land really hit us hard when they are
operating in such a wide area.  I'd really like to see if they
wouldn't mind trying to get close to one another so at least our notch
filters will work as intended, etc.  They really don't seem to be
minding what frequency they transmit on.  Don't get me wrong, a few
hundred cycles doesn't bother me one bit, but when one group operates
in an area of nearly 4kcs consistently each morning, it becomes very
annoying for us.

If anyone knows how to get in touch with these fellows, I would
appreciate if you would politely ask them if they could zero beat one
another.  If you prefer, send me the contact info, and I will talk
with them.  I'm sure we can work something out.

Thanks!

Brian / wa5am


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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[David Knepper]

First of all, Warren, you make a very convincing argument.  I would vote 
directors in that truly represent the hobby.  I recall many years ago, the 
former Atlantic Director (Hugh Thurbill??)  and I had a frank discussion on 
AM at a local hamfest he attended.  He was not very receptive to my support 
of  AM.  Years later I met him again and he had mellowed a bit.  I am glad 
that he no longer represents me.  The climate has changed somewhat but we 
must join the ARRL to vote those out that do not represent us fairly and 
equitably.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Warren Elly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 


Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO



Hello Dave...

been a member of arrl from before i got licensed...now 41 years...
I can't stand up for an organization that through my life has done 
nothing more than

build hurtle after hurtle for the growth and future of the hobby.
From the  BPL disaster (can you just imagine how much of our money  was 
wasted on that?) to the missed opportunities to expose amateur  radio to 
the national media in the 2004 hurricanes, to the sad litany  of licensing 
'reform' over four decades, and the half-baked,  thinly  disguised attempt 
through IARU to once again
put the vintage community (30 percent of their membership by some 
surveys)under the
boot, you'll never sell us that standing up for the league is in our  best 
interest.
Too bad we can't just file a class action suit, but first we'd have to 
figure out what planet these people are on...in order to serve the  papers

73, Warren W1GUD
On Nov 25, 2007, at 8:09 AM, David Knepper wrote:

In all due respect, I keep wondering if any of these individuals who 
keep criticizing the ARRL actually are members.


It's like those who are not registered to vote.  They always have 
something to say about their government, their leaders, etc.   Discussion 
that are to be left in the bar room.


I just bet that the ARRL simply ignores - I would - the comments by 
those who are not members.


Join the ARRL and stand up for the League.  Regardless of their  policies 
over the years, it is still our voice for amateur radio.


Please respond off line so as not clutter up this fine mail list.   The 
server needs a rest!


Where is Glenn Baxter, K1MAN, when you need him!  Oops!

Dave, W3ST - W3CRA

- Original Message - From: "Mike Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 

>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


Pete you know that is 100% horse hockey!! They are pumping sunshine  up 
your
skirt just like they did to WD5BZO. I read both of those posts and  you 
know

it! This is a simple fact that the ARRgghhL screwed the pooch big  time.
Sorry, your excuses aren't good enough to pacify the masses. The  damage 
is

done and the bone-sauces up in Newington are responsible!
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message - From: Peter Markavage
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


If you haven't read the e-mail dialog between Larry, W8ER, and Joel 
(ARRL

President), W5ZN, on November 13 and 17, you probably should.  It  might
shed some additional light on the items presented in the WD5BZO  audio.

Go to:
http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=12262.380
And it's Reply 396.
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Warren Elly]

Hello Dave...

been a member of arrl from before i got licensed...now 41 years...
I can't stand up for an organization that through my life has done  
nothing more than

build hurtle after hurtle for the growth and future of the hobby.
From the  BPL disaster (can you just imagine how much of our money  
was wasted on that?) to the missed opportunities to expose amateur  
radio to the national media in the 2004 hurricanes, to the sad litany  
of licensing 'reform' over four decades, and the half-baked,  thinly  
disguised attempt through IARU to once again
put the vintage community (30 percent of their membership by some  
surveys)under the
boot, you'll never sell us that standing up for the league is in our  
best interest.
Too bad we can't just file a class action suit, but first we'd have to  
figure out what planet these people are on...in order to serve the  
papers

73, Warren W1GUD
On Nov 25, 2007, at 8:09 AM, David Knepper wrote:

In all due respect, I keep wondering if any of these individuals who  
keep criticizing the ARRL actually are members.


It's like those who are not registered to vote.  They always have  
something to say about their government, their leaders, etc.   
Discussion that are to be left in the bar room.


I just bet that the ARRL simply ignores - I would - the comments by  
those who are not members.


Join the ARRL and stand up for the League.  Regardless of their  
policies over the years, it is still our voice for amateur radio.


Please respond off line so as not clutter up this fine mail list.   
The server needs a rest!


Where is Glenn Baxter, K1MAN, when you need him!  Oops!

Dave, W3ST - W3CRA

- Original Message - From: "Mike Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" >

Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


Pete you know that is 100% horse hockey!! They are pumping sunshine  
up your
skirt just like they did to WD5BZO. I read both of those posts and  
you know
it! This is a simple fact that the ARRgghhL screwed the pooch big  
time.
Sorry, your excuses aren't good enough to pacify the masses. The  
damage is

done and the bone-sauces up in Newington are responsible!
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message - From: Peter Markavage
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


If you haven't read the e-mail dialog between Larry, W8ER, and Joel  
(ARRL
President), W5ZN, on November 13 and 17, you probably should.  It  
might
shed some additional light on the items presented in the WD5BZO  
audio.


Go to:
http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=12262.380
And it's Reply 396.
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[David Knepper]

In all due respect, I keep wondering if any of these individuals who keep 
criticizing the ARRL actually are members.


It's like those who are not registered to vote.  They always have something 
to say about their government, their leaders, etc.  Discussion that are to 
be left in the bar room.


I just bet that the ARRL simply ignores - I would - the comments by those 
who are not members.


Join the ARRL and stand up for the League.  Regardless of their policies 
over the years, it is still our voice for amateur radio.


Please respond off line so as not clutter up this fine mail list.  The 
server needs a rest!


Where is Glenn Baxter, K1MAN, when you need him!  Oops!

Dave, W3ST - W3CRA

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 


Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


Pete you know that is 100% horse hockey!! They are pumping sunshine up 
your
skirt just like they did to WD5BZO. I read both of those posts and you 
know

it! This is a simple fact that the ARRgghhL screwed the pooch big time.
Sorry, your excuses aren't good enough to pacify the masses. The damage is
done and the bone-sauces up in Newington are responsible!
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message - 
From: Peter Markavage

To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO


If you haven't read the e-mail dialog between Larry, W8ER, and Joel (ARRL
President), W5ZN, on November 13 and 17, you probably should.  It might
shed some additional light on the items presented in the WD5BZO audio.

Go to:
http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=12262.380
And it's Reply 396.
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Re: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers

[Warren Elly]

I've been licensed over 40 years...but still haven't figured out why I  
need to Join QCWA???
I've belonged to arrl from before I got my license...and look what its  
got me... incentive licensing, dump the code, now force am off the air  
through the back IARU door...

73, Warren W1GUD
Continuous AM operation since 1967

On Nov 24, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Larry Szendrei wrote:


Geoff/W5OMR wrote:

Larry Szendrei wrote:

Grant Youngman wrote:
I can't believe it; in 2008 I'll be able to join QCWA (if I  
decide that's something I want to do).


Then it won't be long at all until you qualify for OOTC  
membership :-)



OK, so I'm dense.

OOTC = ???

-Larry/NE1S

Old OLD Timers Club

Ahh, not only dense, but senile, too ;>)
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Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO

[Peter Markavage]

I know no such thing.
As far as I know, neither WD5BZO nor I, wear skirts.
I really have no idea if you read those posts.
I don't see where any pooches were involved.
I provided a link to review, not an excuse.
I fail to see where any "damage" as been done other then in the minds of
"some" people unless there is a belief that a voluntary band plan can
somehow take precedence over our current FCC rules and regulations.
Possibly too much "bone-sauces" on the turkey!

Note: My responses above should follow your initial responses below if
you follow typical reading/response patterns.
Pete, wa2cwa

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:48:16 -0500 "Mike Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Pete you know that is 100% horse hockey!! 
> They are pumping sunshine up your skirt just like they did to WD5BZO.
> I read both of those posts and you know it!
> This is a simple fact that the ARRgghhL screwed the pooch big time. 
> Sorry, your excuses aren't good enough to pacify the masses. 
> The damage is done and the bone-sauces up in Newington are responsible!
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK

> - Original Message - 
> From: Peter Markavage
> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] IARU - VP ARRL contact by WD5BZO
> 
> 
> If you haven't read the e-mail dialog between Larry, W8ER, and Joel 
> (ARRL
> President), W5ZN, on November 13 and 17, you probably should.  It 
> might
> shed some additional light on the items presented in the WD5BZO 
> audio.
> 
> Go to:
> http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=12262.380
> And it's Reply 396.
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