Re: [AMRadio] Paint question
Hi John, You might want to consult with your friend who did the painting to learn exactly what type of paint it is and what kind of primer is underneath. This can help you decide what type of paint and primer to go with next, and to actually get a small batch to test with for appearance and texture. It sounds like you would prefer to respray the existing surface. If so, you have a chance to smooth out any shelf scuffs or panel scratches. During that process, you may need or want to take down a high spot or a run, and you could expose the primer sub-layer. That's why it's important to know the chemical nature of both the top coat and the primer now on there, to ensure compatibility with what you pick next. As an alternative, there are several varieties of clear coatings out there that would preserve the existing black color, if you can stand that color. If I'm reading you right, you don't really like the gloss, but maybe the black, as a shade, is okay? The clear coats come in varying degrees of "satin," such that you can effectively blunt that gloss while still having a smooth, cleanable surface. I like the texture and the color of the "St. James Gray" on the senior Collins models. I have a 1950 32V2 that I got from the original owner. The color makes a much better presentation than the satin two-tone gray on the junior Collins line. ( have a 51S-1F) However, the wrinkle texture likes to entrap dust as well as fiber particles pulled from whatever I might wipe down the rig with. Good luck and hope this is helpful. Paul/VJB - Original Message - From: "John King" To: Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:02 AM >A friend of mine sent me a nice Harvey Wells Bandmaster transmitter. He >repainted the cabinet a glossy black. It looks GREAT, but is not the >original wrinkled or gritty looking finish. It is perfectly smooth with no >dents or scratches. He is a great painter. > > My question is: Is there a wrinkled or rough finish paint that can be > applied DIRECTLY over this glossy black paint? Does anyone know the > correct color for the Harvey Wells Bandmaster cabinet? I am not sure if > St. James Gray such as the 75A Collins line would be the correct color or > not. I seem to remember the color being a very dark gray , but not quite > black I don't want the wrinkled (as in SX 28A face plate) color, but more > like the finish of the cabinet on the SX 28A or the finish on the 75A line > of Collins gear IF THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR OF THE HARVEY > WELLS BANDMASTER. > > Your input will be appreciated. 73, John, K5PGW > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Paint question
FYI - there is Saint James Gray paint available now from NovexCom at their email address jazz10san.rr.com They also sell S-Line Gray for the cabinets. Paint is only $14.95 a can and s&H is $7.50 for the first can and $3.00 for each additional can shipped in the same box. This firm also has an ad on Ebay. Do a search. Wonderful paint that is endorsed by the CRA. The address is NovexComm, 2987 Luna Avenue, San Diego, CA 92117 Tell Dick when you contact him that the Collins Radio Association sent you. Merry Christmas David Knepper, W3ST/W3CRA Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary of the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join today - Original Message - From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Paint question > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:02 AM, John King wrote: > >> My question is: Is there a wrinkled or rough finish paint that can be >> applied DIRECTLY over this glossy black paint? Does anyone know the >> correct color for the Harvey Wells Bandmaster cabinet? I am not sure if >> St. James Gray such as the 75A Collins line would be the correct color or >> not. > > > Hey John - > > Nice grab, it's a nifty little transmitter. Almost looks like a > miniature broadcast rig. Big with the mobile crowd back in the > 50s/60s, a lot of folks ran them in the trunks of their cars from what > I've been told. Wonder if you got the AC power supply with it? > > Earlier model Bandmasters (pre-C, I think?) actually used a standard > gray hammered paint finish similar to the base of a D-104. If yours is > a TBS-50D, it was a black wrinkle finish. > > As for paints and textures, if you're going for something close to > authentic/accurate, you won't want St James Gray as it really is gray > - not black as some think. Granted, as you noted it's a darker gray > than the typical battleship gray seen on military gear like the R-390, > but when you look at the truly black bakelite knobs on a piece of > Collins A Line gear, you can easily see the difference. The SX-28s > actually have a sort of alligator crackle look engraved directly into > the metal panel with smooth paint, whereas the cabinets used a wrinkle > paint finish. > > There are several rattle can choices available for the job. Krylon and > VHT both come to mind. Rustoleum has something referred to as > 'textured finish' which I've yet to try. The Krylon stuff goes on well > but IMO is not tough enough for long term use. Their paints tend to be > something more like plastic these days, not bakeable or resistant to > damage. VHT would be my choice. It can be found at motorcycle shops (I > got my last cans at a Harley shop years ago) though it's pricey - > $7-$8 per can, probably more now. But it goes on nice, and can give a > very fine, dense wrinkle when applied evenly and cured properly. Once > it dries you can bake it to make it tough. > > Powder coating is an option but not something I'd use for an old piece > of gear. It goes on much thicker than typical paint and can make > refitting difficult or impossible without some re-work. It also looks > a bit too artificial for my liking, and although tough, it has > drawbacks like not accepting any paint over it (so mask well if you > have other painting) or primer beneath. When it's done, it's done. If > there are flaws, touching up isn't an option. Strip and repaint. And > it's expensive. > > Good luck with the project, you'll be pleased with the results when > the cabinet is wrinkled up. It really makes the front panel stand out. > > 73 - > > ~Todd, KA1KAQ/4 > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Paint question
John There is an early bandmaster on ebay right now that has adifferent color and finish than the later ones. If it is originol which it appears to be yours might have been similar? http://cgi.ebay.com/Harvey-Wells-ham-radio-transmitter-museum-quality_W0QQitemZ320459399262QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9cde605e 73, John K6HSG - Original Message - From: "John King" To: Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Paint question >A friend of mine sent me a nice Harvey Wells Bandmaster transmitter. He >repainted the cabinet a glossy black. It looks GREAT, but is not the >original wrinkled or gritty looking finish. It is perfectly smooth with no >dents or scratches. He is a great painter. > > My question is: Is there a wrinkled or rough finish paint that can be > applied DIRECTLY over this glossy black paint? Does anyone know the > correct color for the Harvey Wells Bandmaster cabinet? I am not sure if > St. James Gray such as the 75A Collins line would be the correct color or > not. I seem to remember the color being a very dark gray , but not quite > black I don't want the wrinkled (as in SX 28A face plate) color, but more > like the finish of the cabinet on the SX 28A or the finish on the 75A line > of Collins gear IF THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR OF THE HARVEY > WELLS BANDMASTER. > > Your input will be appreciated. 73, John, K5PGW > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.101/2555 - Release Date: 12/09/09 13:41:00 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Paint question
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:02 AM, John King wrote: > My question is: Is there a wrinkled or rough finish paint that can be applied > DIRECTLY over this glossy black paint? Does anyone know the correct color for > the Harvey Wells Bandmaster cabinet? I am not sure if St. James Gray such as > the 75A Collins line would be the correct color or not. Hey John - Nice grab, it's a nifty little transmitter. Almost looks like a miniature broadcast rig. Big with the mobile crowd back in the 50s/60s, a lot of folks ran them in the trunks of their cars from what I've been told. Wonder if you got the AC power supply with it? Earlier model Bandmasters (pre-C, I think?) actually used a standard gray hammered paint finish similar to the base of a D-104. If yours is a TBS-50D, it was a black wrinkle finish. As for paints and textures, if you're going for something close to authentic/accurate, you won't want St James Gray as it really is gray - not black as some think. Granted, as you noted it's a darker gray than the typical battleship gray seen on military gear like the R-390, but when you look at the truly black bakelite knobs on a piece of Collins A Line gear, you can easily see the difference. The SX-28s actually have a sort of alligator crackle look engraved directly into the metal panel with smooth paint, whereas the cabinets used a wrinkle paint finish. There are several rattle can choices available for the job. Krylon and VHT both come to mind. Rustoleum has something referred to as 'textured finish' which I've yet to try. The Krylon stuff goes on well but IMO is not tough enough for long term use. Their paints tend to be something more like plastic these days, not bakeable or resistant to damage. VHT would be my choice. It can be found at motorcycle shops (I got my last cans at a Harley shop years ago) though it's pricey - $7-$8 per can, probably more now. But it goes on nice, and can give a very fine, dense wrinkle when applied evenly and cured properly. Once it dries you can bake it to make it tough. Powder coating is an option but not something I'd use for an old piece of gear. It goes on much thicker than typical paint and can make refitting difficult or impossible without some re-work. It also looks a bit too artificial for my liking, and although tough, it has drawbacks like not accepting any paint over it (so mask well if you have other painting) or primer beneath. When it's done, it's done. If there are flaws, touching up isn't an option. Strip and repaint. And it's expensive. Good luck with the project, you'll be pleased with the results when the cabinet is wrinkled up. It really makes the front panel stand out. 73 - ~Todd, KA1KAQ/4 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Paint question
A friend of mine sent me a nice Harvey Wells Bandmaster transmitter. He repainted the cabinet a glossy black. It looks GREAT, but is not the original wrinkled or gritty looking finish. It is perfectly smooth with no dents or scratches. He is a great painter. My question is: Is there a wrinkled or rough finish paint that can be applied DIRECTLY over this glossy black paint? Does anyone know the correct color for the Harvey Wells Bandmaster cabinet? I am not sure if St. James Gray such as the 75A Collins line would be the correct color or not. I seem to remember the color being a very dark gray , but not quite black I don't want the wrinkled (as in SX 28A face plate) color, but more like the finish of the cabinet on the SX 28A or the finish on the 75A line of Collins gear IF THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR OF THE HARVEY WELLS BANDMASTER. Your input will be appreciated. 73, John, K5PGW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
