Re: [AMRadio] Buzzies and hash all over the spectrum
No kidding! Do we honestly think ALL licensed HAMs adhere to the legal limit rule any more than most CBers stay at or below 4 watts? There are always some who go well over the legal limit. And don't look at my 5kW unit either!Kidding! KF5CCN on QRZhttp://www.qrz.com/db/KF5CCN/KF5CCN Ham Shack NewHam Radio Discussion Group --- On Wed, 3/17/10, D. Chester wrote: From: D. Chester Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Buzzies and hash all over the spectrum To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 12:53 AM > I have been saying for the past six months or so that about the only > solution to the appliance RFI problem is every man for himself, i.e. > put up a low noise rx antenna, employ a phase shifting nulling box on > receive, and forget QRP or even 100 w. Everyone has to raise the > desired signal level by running legal limit... > Rob > K5UJ Why stop at the legal limit? Since the FCC is not enforcing Part 15 rules that prohibit harmful interference, what makes one think they are any more likely to enforce Part 97 rules that limit transmitter power? Strap softly and turn up the wick. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Buzzies and hash all over the spectrum
> I have been saying for the past six months or so that about the only > solution to the appliance RFI problem is every man for himself, i.e. > put up a low noise rx antenna, employ a phase shifting nulling box on > receive, and forget QRP or even 100 w. Everyone has to raise the > desired signal level by running legal limit... > Rob > K5UJ Why stop at the legal limit? Since the FCC is not enforcing Part 15 rules that prohibit harmful interference, what makes one think they are any more likely to enforce Part 97 rules that limit transmitter power? Strap softly and turn up the wick. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation (was ILLEGAL STUFF ON E BAY)
> This as a VERY serious problem for all radio users - there seems to no > longer be any interest in control of incidental RF radiators. For > example, when I got an FCC field engineer to come out and test some > noisy LED traffic signal systems, he said (paraphrasing), "Yes, I can > see none of these are meeting Part 15 requirements, but hey, people can > just listen to the stronger signals that get over the noise." And > shrugged and went back to the office. > > Steve WD8DAS Steve, Did you attempt to contact his supervisor? Sounds to me like this guy was not doing his job. We are paying his salary with our tax money and we should expect service in return. Since, by his own admission, the traffic signals were found not to meet FCC requirements, the decision to "do nothing" is not his to make. If the supervisor offered no better cooperation, I would keep going up the chain of command and then start contacting congressmen and senators, demanding action. One of them just might jump on this, since it would at least leave the appearance that as a member of the present do-nothing, grid-locked congress his was actually attempting to provide some kind of service to the pubic beyond promoting a political agenda. This might be something that would catch the attention of NAB and other broadcasting interests, since any broadcast station might be next in line not to be "strong" enough to "get over the noise", and apparently these traffic signals are proliferating nationwide. And it wouldn't hurt to notify the ARRL's RFI committee, particularly Ed Hare, W1RFI. I overheard another ham discussing the same issue a short while ago, and he implied that he was afraid to complain about a traffic signal because he was fearful of what local officials might do if he tried to "fight city hall". Come on, this isn't Iran or N. Korea just YET. >From recent reports, Laura Smith really is going after electric utilities that have neglected to clean up power line noise. See "RFI Matters" at http://www.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/Welcome.html This is a far more serious issue than some ham hitting 20 watts over the power limit on a voice peak or allowing 10 minutes and 15 seconds to pass before ID'ing. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] 5000 Watt AM transmitter for sale
5000 Watt AM transmitter for saleHarris MW5 Specifications Power Input:208/230 Vac, 60 Hz closed Delta or 380 Vac, 50 Hz Wye. Power Consumption: 9.4 kVA at 5000 watts carrier and no modulation.13.0 kVA at 5000 watts carrier and 100% modulation. Audio Input:10 dBm 2 dB, 600/150 ohms balanced. Audio Frequency Response +1 dB from 20 to 10,000 Hz at 95% modulation. Audio Frequency Distortion Less than 2% at 20 to 10,000 Hz, 95% modulation. Power Output Rated 5000 watts. Power reduction to 1000 watts Spurious Output Meets or exceeds FCC and CCIR re quirements. RF Frequency Range 535 kHz to 1605 kHz. RF Output Impedance 50/300 ohms, as specified. RF Harmonics -80 dB. Meets or exceeds FCC or CCIR specifications. Carrier Shift Less than 2% at 100% modulation. Noise (Unweighted) 60 dB or better below 100% modula tion at 5000 watts output. Positive Peak Capability 125% positive peak program modulation capability at 5600 watts. Power Factor 95% Tubes Modulator - 4CX3000A Power Amplifier - 3CX2500F3 MECHANICAL Height 78 inches (198.12 cm) Width 72 inches (182.88 cm) Depth 32 inches (81.28 cm) Weight: Unpacked 1250 pounds (566.99 kg) Export Packed 1850 pounds (839.15 kg), Domestic Packed 1600 pounds (727.75 kg), Cubic Area 120 cubic feet meters), packed (3.398 cubic feet) ENVIRONMENTAL Temperature -20° to +500C (-4° to +1220F) Humidity 0 to 95% Altitude 0 to 7500 feet (2286 meters) AIR VOLUME 1000 CFM TEMPERATURE RISE (Air) 9°C DISSIPATION 5.1 KW, 17,496 BTUH CABINET THERMAL RADIATION 250W (estimated) KF5CCN Ham Shack NewHam Radio Discussion Group __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
That is why he has been banned. Have you followed the discussion? Brian posted that decision earlier today. We will not stand for this type of thing. Jim/W5JO Moderator P.S. This topic is closed, LET ME SAY IT LOUDER, THIS TOPIC IS CLOSED. >From this point on, anyone who feels it necessary to bring up the subject may be banned as another has been. This is your last warning. - Original Message - From: "Brian Zwiener" To: ; "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY >I have left groups because of things like this. > > KF5CCN Ham Shack NewHam Radio Discussion Group > > --- On Tue, 3/16/10, ted orant wrote: > > From: ted orant > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 12:00 PM > > I have to agree this is just stupid.People can ruin a good > thing.Enough of this B.S. Move on boys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In GOD we trust > > --- On Tue, 3/16/10, W5AMI wrote: > > > From: W5AMI > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 11:18 AM > > > Well, that's it My good friend, and moderator is going to help me > out > here, however I will say this: > > I have never been heavy handed on this list, but if this kind of > conduct > becomes prevalent, then it's time to take the bull by the horns.. > > KJ4DJF... Goodbye! You ignored a moderator AND the list owner more > than > once. 'Nuf said! Bye bye! YOU ARE A TROLL. > > Right now I am not in a mood to put up with those who refuse to heed > the > warnings! Stop the damned thread on this now. Get back to the topic of > AM, > period... When members decide to degrade others on this list, it's > time to > stop it, or send them down the road. > > w5ami - Brian > > PS: YES, I am the owner of the AMRadio list, and have been for nearly > 15 > years. Seldom do I mention that, but after such a good record with the > AM > list, I think I know when to say enough is enough! Any challenges? > > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:32 AM, wrote: > >> >> >> >> No we don't, we are stupid. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: w4...@aol.com >> To: k5...@rebelwolf.com; amradio@mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:22 am >> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY >> >> >> >> Ever hear of spurs, harmonics, know what a spectrum analyzer is and >> what it >> is >> used for? >> >> 73, >> >> John, W4AWM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: k5wlf >> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >> > > >> Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:05 am >> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY >> >> >> So what? How does that affect us on the ham bands? I don't have time >> or the >> nclination to try to police the entire world. Forget about it. >> l73, >> db >> 5WLF >> >I see nothing illegal about such an item? It is intended to be used >> >for the perfectly legal LPFM (Low Power FM) service. >> Trouble is, a transmitter sold on eBay from Indonesia is probably not >> FCC type-certified or type-accepted. >> The rules say... >> § 73.1660 Acceptability of broadcast transmitters. >> (2) An LPFM transmitter shall be certified for compliance with the >> requirements of this part following the procedures described in part >> 2 >> of the this chapter. >> It would probably not be legal to use such a transmitter on the air. >> Steve WD8DAS >> [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=sbjohns...@aol.com] >> bjohns...@aol.com >> [LINK: http://www.wd8das.net/] http://www.wd8das.net/ >> >> Radio is your best entertainment value. >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: [LINK: http://www.amfone.net] http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: [LINK: >> ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/] >> ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): [LINK: http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html] >> ttp://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: [LINK: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio] >> ttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: [LINK: >> ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amra...@mailman.qth.net] >> mra...@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to [LINK: >> ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net] >> mradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> This list hosted by: [LINK: http://www.qsl.net] http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: [LINK: >> ttp://www.qsl.net/donate.html] http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ___
Re: [AMRadio] Low PWR FM Broadcaster
Hi Lee and all, I have a 900MHZ set of cordless headphones that I put the transmitter in the attic. Feed audio from the CCA Sunday net, DX-60 Net, CCA First Wednesday net, Mighty Elmac net, NASCAR races and other things to it. We live on 6 acres and it does a pretty good job covering most of it. May need to move the transmitter up higher on the tower from the attic but may look into a killowatt amp for the 900 MHZ. Just kidding on the KW but moving the transmitter higher would really help. It's a great way to be outdooors working and still be listening to whatever net etc.! 73 Larry WA9VRH - Original Message - From: "LEE BAHR" To: "Brett Gazdzinski" ; "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Low PWR FM Broadcaster >I use one around here. 100mw??? It has around 10 inches of antenna. I >use > it to broadcast throughout the house internet radio and also a MARS net or > a > ham band QSO. That way I am not limited to hearing things at only one > spot > in the home. Mine happens to have come from CC Crane with their logo on > it. > It covers the house very nicely and sounds great, just like the audio was > put through wires. I use it all the time and love it. > > Lee, w0vt > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Low PWR FM Broadcaster
I use one around here. 100mw??? It has around 10 inches of antenna. I use it to broadcast throughout the house internet radio and also a MARS net or a ham band QSO. That way I am not limited to hearing things at only one spot in the home. Mine happens to have come from CC Crane with their logo on it. It covers the house very nicely and sounds great, just like the audio was put through wires. I use it all the time and love it. Lee, w0vt __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
I bought an FM transmitter off ebay about 10 years ago. Its not 30 watts, but its got a big heat sink. I put an antenna on the roof and use it to broadcast the receivers so I can wonder around and listen while I hit the can, brew some tea, etc. There are a LOT of FM transmitters on ebay, all sorts of power levels, and I don't think its any less legal to buy a 30 watt FM transmitter then it is to buy a 1000 watt AM broadcast transmitter. If you was to broadcast 30 watts with a good antenna, the FCC would likely be around before long. Brett - Original Message - From: "Brian Zwiener" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY That's right. That's up to the FCC if they operate it in an illegal fashion. --- On Tue, 3/16/10, D. Chester wrote: From: D. Chester Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 3:24 AM Since it's not something likely to end up in use on the ham bands I wouldn't waste my time worrying about it. Let the broadcast people take care of the problem, if there is one. The commercial FM and AM bands have degenerated to little more than a vast wasteland anyway. I'm far more concerned about all the consumer crap on the market to-day that dumps buzzies and hash all over the HF spectrum, with apparent impunity . Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
I have left groups because of things like this. KF5CCN Ham Shack NewHam Radio Discussion Group --- On Tue, 3/16/10, ted orant wrote: From: ted orant Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 12:00 PM I have to agree this is just stupid.People can ruin a good thing.Enough of this B.S. Move on boys. In GOD we trust --- On Tue, 3/16/10, W5AMI wrote: From: W5AMI Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 11:18 AM Well, that's it My good friend, and moderator is going to help me out here, however I will say this: I have never been heavy handed on this list, but if this kind of conduct becomes prevalent, then it's time to take the bull by the horns.. KJ4DJF... Goodbye! You ignored a moderator AND the list owner more than once. 'Nuf said! Bye bye! YOU ARE A TROLL. Right now I am not in a mood to put up with those who refuse to heed the warnings! Stop the damned thread on this now. Get back to the topic of AM, period... When members decide to degrade others on this list, it's time to stop it, or send them down the road. w5ami - Brian PS: YES, I am the owner of the AMRadio list, and have been for nearly 15 years. Seldom do I mention that, but after such a good record with the AM list, I think I know when to say enough is enough! Any challenges? On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:32 AM, wrote: > > > > No we don't, we are stupid. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: w4...@aol.com > To: k5...@rebelwolf.com; amradio@mailman.qth.net > Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:22 am > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY > > > > Ever hear of spurs, harmonics, know what a spectrum analyzer is and what it > is > used for? > > 73, > > John, W4AWM > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: k5wlf > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:05 am > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY > > > So what? How does that affect us on the ham bands? I don't have time or the > nclination to try to police the entire world. Forget about it. > l73, > db > 5WLF > >I see nothing illegal about such an item? It is intended to be used > >for the perfectly legal LPFM (Low Power FM) service. > Trouble is, a transmitter sold on eBay from Indonesia is probably not > FCC type-certified or type-accepted. > The rules say... > § 73.1660 Acceptability of broadcast transmitters. > (2) An LPFM transmitter shall be certified for compliance with the > requirements of this part following the procedures described in part > 2 > of the this chapter. > It would probably not be legal to use such a transmitter on the air. > Steve WD8DAS > [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=sbjohns...@aol.com] > bjohns...@aol.com > [LINK: http://www.wd8das.net/] http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > __ > Our Main Website: [LINK: http://www.amfone.net] http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: [LINK: > ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/] > ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): [LINK: http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html] > ttp://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: [LINK: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio] > ttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: [LINK: > ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amra...@mailman.qth.net] > mra...@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [LINK: > ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net] > mradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > This list hosted by: [LINK: http://www.qsl.net] http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: [LINK: > ttp://www.qsl.net/donate.html] http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > _ > ur Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > MRadio mailing list > earchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > ist Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > ist Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > ost: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > o unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > he word unsubscribe in the message body. > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > lease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman
Re: [AMRadio] Buzzies and hash all over the spectrum
Hi All The noise floor in my neighborhood is thru the roof because of all the switching power supplies and compact fluorescent lights. It sucks, but that's just the way it is. I also live 3 blocks from the Dallas Area Rapid Transit light rail line which is powered by a monster switcher. Steve's paper is good stuff, he put a lot of work into it, but also please see the paper by Chuck W1HIS http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf A lot of it is Common Mode Chokes for Antennas, but he spends discusses getting rid of interference from computer power supplies etc. with ferrite common mode chokes Chuck is a big time contester and DX'er and also happens to be a Radio and Radar Astronimer and is Professor Emerius of Planetary Studies at MIT. He also holds several of the patents that make GPS work. SOB may know what he's talking about. He also has a really neat design for what he calls a Sloper Doublet that covers all the HF bands. I can send you some poop on it if anyone is interested. Bill AD5OL From: Rob Atkinson To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 10:44:01 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Buzzies and hash all over the spectrum I have been saying for the past six months or so that about the only solution to the appliance RFI problem is every man for himself, i.e. put up a low noise rx antenna, employ a phase shifting nulling box on receive, and forget QRP or even 100 w. Everyone has to raise the desired signal level by running legal limit. The unintended consequence of the FCC blowing off their duty to enforce RFI suppression in consumer products is simply that everyone will start running a lot more power on transmit to get over the high noise floor. If that causes more RFI _to_ part 15 devices too bad for them. FCC should have thought of this before they let big product manufacturers and vendors have their way. This QRM has to be dealt with the same way SSB QRM is dealt with--more power, bigger antennas, more audio. Rob K5UJ On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:04 AM, wrote: > Don wrote: > >>I'm far more concerned about all the consumer crap on the market > to-day that >>dumps buzzies and hash all over the HF spectrum, with apparent > impunity . > > This as a VERY serious problem for all radio users - there seems to no > longer be any interest in control of incidental RF radiators. For > example, when I got an FCC field engineer to come out and test some > noisy LED traffic signal systems, he said (paraphrasing), "Yes, I can > see none of these are meeting Part 15 requirements, but hey, people can > just listen to the stronger signals that get over the noise." And > shrugged and went back to the office. > > I did a study of the noise problems for FM broadcast reception due to > locally-generated noise. You guys might find it interesting as it > really applies to the whole spectrum (I just needed to focus on our > industry in particular). I've posted a copy of the resulting paper on > my website at > > http://www.wd8das.net/IndoorRadioNoise/IndoorRadioNoise-paper.pdf > > > Steve WD8DAS > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
I have to agree this is just stupid.People can ruin a good thing.Enough of this B.S. Move on boys. In GOD we trust --- On Tue, 3/16/10, W5AMI wrote: From: W5AMI Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 11:18 AM Well, that's it My good friend, and moderator is going to help me out here, however I will say this: I have never been heavy handed on this list, but if this kind of conduct becomes prevalent, then it's time to take the bull by the horns.. KJ4DJF... Goodbye! You ignored a moderator AND the list owner more than once. 'Nuf said! Bye bye! YOU ARE A TROLL. Right now I am not in a mood to put up with those who refuse to heed the warnings! Stop the damned thread on this now. Get back to the topic of AM, period... When members decide to degrade others on this list, it's time to stop it, or send them down the road. w5ami - Brian PS: YES, I am the owner of the AMRadio list, and have been for nearly 15 years. Seldom do I mention that, but after such a good record with the AM list, I think I know when to say enough is enough! Any challenges? On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:32 AM, wrote: > > > > No we don't, we are stupid. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: w4...@aol.com > To: k5...@rebelwolf.com; amradio@mailman.qth.net > Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:22 am > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY > > > > Ever hear of spurs, harmonics, know what a spectrum analyzer is and what it > is > used for? > > 73, > > John, W4AWM > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: k5wlf > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:05 am > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY > > > So what? How does that affect us on the ham bands? I don't have time or the > nclination to try to police the entire world. Forget about it. > l73, > db > 5WLF > >I see nothing illegal about such an item? It is intended to be used > >for the perfectly legal LPFM (Low Power FM) service. > Trouble is, a transmitter sold on eBay from Indonesia is probably not > FCC type-certified or type-accepted. > The rules say... > § 73.1660 Acceptability of broadcast transmitters. > (2) An LPFM transmitter shall be certified for compliance with the > requirements of this part following the procedures described in part > 2 > of the this chapter. > It would probably not be legal to use such a transmitter on the air. > Steve WD8DAS > [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=sbjohns...@aol.com] > bjohns...@aol.com > [LINK: http://www.wd8das.net/] http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > __ > Our Main Website: [LINK: http://www.amfone.net] http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: [LINK: > ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/] > ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): [LINK: http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html] > ttp://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: [LINK: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio] > ttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: [LINK: > ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amra...@mailman.qth.net] > mra...@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [LINK: > ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net] > mradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > This list hosted by: [LINK: http://www.qsl.net] http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: [LINK: > ttp://www.qsl.net/donate.html] http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > _ > ur Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > MRadio mailing list > earchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > ist Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > ist Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > ost: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > o unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > he word unsubscribe in the message body. > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > lease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hos
[AMRadio] Ever hear of spurs, harmonics, know what a spectrum analyzer is and what it is
Spurs are what Cowboys useHarmonics I think are what Bob Dylan uses in his music ANDI think a gynecologist uses a spectrum analyzer on my wife? Not sure though. Brian/WB2JIX __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
Well, that's it My good friend, and moderator is going to help me out here, however I will say this: I have never been heavy handed on this list, but if this kind of conduct becomes prevalent, then it's time to take the bull by the horns.. KJ4DJF... Goodbye! You ignored a moderator AND the list owner more than once. 'Nuf said! Bye bye! YOU ARE A TROLL. Right now I am not in a mood to put up with those who refuse to heed the warnings! Stop the damned thread on this now. Get back to the topic of AM, period... When members decide to degrade others on this list, it's time to stop it, or send them down the road. w5ami - Brian PS: YES, I am the owner of the AMRadio list, and have been for nearly 15 years. Seldom do I mention that, but after such a good record with the AM list, I think I know when to say enough is enough! Any challenges? On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:32 AM, wrote: > > > > No we don't, we are stupid. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: w4...@aol.com > To: k5...@rebelwolf.com; amradio@mailman.qth.net > Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:22 am > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY > > > > Ever hear of spurs, harmonics, know what a spectrum analyzer is and what it > is > used for? > > 73, > > John, W4AWM > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: k5wlf > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:05 am > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY > > > So what? How does that affect us on the ham bands? I don't have time or the > nclination to try to police the entire world. Forget about it. > l73, > db > 5WLF > >I see nothing illegal about such an item? It is intended to be used > >for the perfectly legal LPFM (Low Power FM) service. > Trouble is, a transmitter sold on eBay from Indonesia is probably not > FCC type-certified or type-accepted. > The rules say... > § 73.1660 Acceptability of broadcast transmitters. > (2) An LPFM transmitter shall be certified for compliance with the > requirements of this part following the procedures described in part > 2 >of the this chapter. > It would probably not be legal to use such a transmitter on the air. > Steve WD8DAS > [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=sbjohns...@aol.com] > bjohns...@aol.com > [LINK: http://www.wd8das.net/] http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > __ > Our Main Website: [LINK: http://www.amfone.net] http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: [LINK: > ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/] > ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): [LINK: http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html] > ttp://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: [LINK: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio] > ttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: [LINK: > ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amra...@mailman.qth.net] > mra...@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [LINK: > ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net] > mradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > This list hosted by: [LINK: http://www.qsl.net] http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: [LINK: > ttp://www.qsl.net/donate.html] http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > _ > ur Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > MRadio mailing list > earchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > ist Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > ist Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > ost: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > o unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > he word unsubscribe in the message body. > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > lease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] Buzzies and hash all over the spectrum
Interesting paper Steve. It just goes to show that people are becoming more "Penny-wise and pound foolish". Cheap electronic crap will continue to bedevil us all until it becomes such a problem that broadcasters can't send enough signal to their consumers for reliable reception. Cheap electronics has been an issue with my ham radio station. Every time I get on 6M, my neighbor calls because the cheap TV in her bedroom has a built in detector in it (probably a cold solder joint) that rectifys my audio and then injects it, uncontrolled, into the audio amp portion of the set so my audio blasts out of the speakers and is uncontrollable except by shutting off the set or my going off the air. You can guess what avenue I take in order to maintain peace in the neighborhood. Bill-WF1L I did a study of the noise problems for FM broadcast reception due to locally-generated noise. You guys might find it interesting as it really applies to the whole spectrum (I just needed to focus on our industry in particular). I've posted a copy of the resulting paper on my website at http://www.wd8das.net/IndoorRadioNoise/IndoorRadioNoise-paper.pdf Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: D. Chester To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:24 am Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY Since it's not something likely to end up in use on the ham bands I wouldn't waste my time worrying about it. Let the broadcast people take care of the problem, if there is one. The commercial FM and AM bands have degenerated to little more than a vast wasteland anyway. I'm far more concerned about all the consumer crap on the market to-day that dumps buzzies and hash all over the HF spectrum, with apparent impunity . Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Buzzies and hash all over the spectrum
I have been saying for the past six months or so that about the only solution to the appliance RFI problem is every man for himself, i.e. put up a low noise rx antenna, employ a phase shifting nulling box on receive, and forget QRP or even 100 w. Everyone has to raise the desired signal level by running legal limit. The unintended consequence of the FCC blowing off their duty to enforce RFI suppression in consumer products is simply that everyone will start running a lot more power on transmit to get over the high noise floor. If that causes more RFI _to_ part 15 devices too bad for them. FCC should have thought of this before they let big product manufacturers and vendors have their way. This QRM has to be dealt with the same way SSB QRM is dealt with--more power, bigger antennas, more audio. Rob K5UJ On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:04 AM, wrote: > Don wrote: > >>I'm far more concerned about all the consumer crap on the market > to-day that >>dumps buzzies and hash all over the HF spectrum, with apparent > impunity . > > This as a VERY serious problem for all radio users - there seems to no > longer be any interest in control of incidental RF radiators. For > example, when I got an FCC field engineer to come out and test some > noisy LED traffic signal systems, he said (paraphrasing), "Yes, I can > see none of these are meeting Part 15 requirements, but hey, people can > just listen to the stronger signals that get over the noise." And > shrugged and went back to the office. > > I did a study of the noise problems for FM broadcast reception due to > locally-generated noise. You guys might find it interesting as it > really applies to the whole spectrum (I just needed to focus on our > industry in particular). I've posted a copy of the resulting paper on > my website at > > http://www.wd8das.net/IndoorRadioNoise/IndoorRadioNoise-paper.pdf > > > Steve WD8DAS > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
No we don't, we are stupid. -Original Message- From: w4...@aol.com To: k5...@rebelwolf.com; amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 11:22 am Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY Ever hear of spurs, harmonics, know what a spectrum analyzer is and what it is used for? 73, John, W4AWM -Original Message- From: k5wlf To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:05 am Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY So what? How does that affect us on the ham bands? I don't have time or the nclination to try to police the entire world. Forget about it. l73, db 5WLF >I see nothing illegal about such an item? It is intended to be used >for the perfectly legal LPFM (Low Power FM) service. Trouble is, a transmitter sold on eBay from Indonesia is probably not FCC type-certified or type-accepted. The rules say... § 73.1660 Acceptability of broadcast transmitters. (2) An LPFM transmitter shall be certified for compliance with the requirements of this part following the procedures described in part 2 of the this chapter. It would probably not be legal to use such a transmitter on the air. Steve WD8DAS [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=sbjohns...@aol.com] bjohns...@aol.com [LINK: http://www.wd8das.net/] http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: [LINK: http://www.amfone.net] http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: [LINK: ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/] ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): [LINK: http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html] ttp://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: [LINK: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio] ttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: [LINK: ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amra...@mailman.qth.net] mra...@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [LINK: ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net] mradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: [LINK: http://www.qsl.net] http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: [LINK: ttp://www.qsl.net/donate.html] http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ ur Main Website: http://www.amfone.net MRadio mailing list earchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ ist Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html ist Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio ost: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net o unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with he word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net lease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
Ever hear of spurs, harmonics, know what a spectrum analyzer is and what it is used for? 73, John, W4AWM -Original Message- From: k5wlf To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:05 am Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY So what? How does that affect us on the ham bands? I don't have time or the nclination to try to police the entire world. Forget about it. l73, db 5WLF >I see nothing illegal about such an item? It is intended to be used >for the perfectly legal LPFM (Low Power FM) service. Trouble is, a transmitter sold on eBay from Indonesia is probably not FCC type-certified or type-accepted. The rules say... § 73.1660 Acceptability of broadcast transmitters. (2) An LPFM transmitter shall be certified for compliance with the requirements of this part following the procedures described in part 2 of the this chapter. It would probably not be legal to use such a transmitter on the air. Steve WD8DAS [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=sbjohns...@aol.com] bjohns...@aol.com [LINK: http://www.wd8das.net/] http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: [LINK: http://www.amfone.net] http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: [LINK: ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/] ttp://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): [LINK: http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html] ttp://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: [LINK: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio] ttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: [LINK: ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amra...@mailman.qth.net] mra...@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [LINK: ttp://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net] mradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: [LINK: http://www.qsl.net] http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: [LINK: ttp://www.qsl.net/donate.html] http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ ur Main Website: http://www.amfone.net MRadio mailing list earchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ ist Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html ist Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio ost: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net o unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with he word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net lease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Buzzies and hash all over the spectrum
Don wrote: >I'm far more concerned about all the consumer crap on the market to-day that >dumps buzzies and hash all over the HF spectrum, with apparent impunity . This as a VERY serious problem for all radio users - there seems to no longer be any interest in control of incidental RF radiators. For example, when I got an FCC field engineer to come out and test some noisy LED traffic signal systems, he said (paraphrasing), "Yes, I can see none of these are meeting Part 15 requirements, but hey, people can just listen to the stronger signals that get over the noise." And shrugged and went back to the office. I did a study of the noise problems for FM broadcast reception due to locally-generated noise. You guys might find it interesting as it really applies to the whole spectrum (I just needed to focus on our industry in particular). I've posted a copy of the resulting paper on my website at http://www.wd8das.net/IndoorRadioNoise/IndoorRadioNoise-paper.pdf Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: D. Chester To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 3:24 am Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY Since it's not something likely to end up in use on the ham bands I wouldn't waste my time worrying about it. Let the broadcast people take care of the problem, if there is one. The commercial FM and AM bands have degenerated to little more than a vast wasteland anyway. I'm far more concerned about all the consumer crap on the market to-day that dumps buzzies and hash all over the HF spectrum, with apparent impunity . Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
Hey Guys The list owner said to stop this discussion. So, let's STOP it. Jim/W5JO Moderator __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
Those fm transmitters are real low power for doing wireless stereo around your own property. Maybe your neighbors could tune it in, but that is about it. -Original Message- From: Bry Carling To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 7:01 am Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY WHAT do FM amplifiers have to do with an AM GROUP ? Do you have evidence that someone is modifying them and using them to transmit AM illegally too? I mean - I thought this was for: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" From: "Bob Peters" > I came across this auction on E Bay.. #180354456363, ending on > 02-Apr-10 > 13:14:42 AEDST - 30 Watt FM Stereo Transmitter 88-108Mhz High > Quality > > > > I wrote the company an e mail to see if they would deliver one to > the USA. > This was my response. Hello sir > > yes we sold many to USA > > you are welcome to use our great transmitter sir > > thank you > > Now if this is legal for them to sell on e bay why would not any > amplifier > not be legal. I wonder if the FCC knows that these are being > imported to the > USA??? Talk about an ill legal item. > > > > Bob W1PE > > -~ø¤º°º¤ø~-"ßrÿ in FLÕRÎÐÁ"-~ø¤º°º¤ø~- __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
So what? How does that affect us on the ham bands? I don't have time or the inclination to try to police the entire world. Forget about it. l73, ldb K5WLF >I see nothing illegal about such an item? It is intended to be used >for the perfectly legal LPFM (Low Power FM) service. Trouble is, a transmitter sold on eBay from Indonesia is probably not FCC type-certified or type-accepted. The rules say... § 73.1660 Acceptability of broadcast transmitters. (2) An LPFM transmitter shall be certified for compliance with the requirements of this part following the procedures described in part 2 of the this chapter. It would probably not be legal to use such a transmitter on the air. Steve WD8DAS [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=sbjohns...@aol.com] sbjohns...@aol.com [LINK: http://www.wd8das.net/] http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: [LINK: http://www.amfone.net] http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: [LINK: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/] http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): [LINK: http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html] http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: [LINK: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio] http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amra...@mailman.qth.net] AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [LINK: http://mbox.rebelwolf.com/compose.php?to=amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net] amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: [LINK: http://www.qsl.net] http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: [LINK: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html] http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
>I see nothing illegal about such an item? It is intended to be used >for the perfectly legal LPFM (Low Power FM) service. Trouble is, a transmitter sold on eBay from Indonesia is probably not FCC type-certified or type-accepted. The rules say... § 73.1660 Acceptability of broadcast transmitters. (2) An LPFM transmitter shall be certified for compliance with the requirements of this part following the procedures described in part 2 of the this chapter. It would probably not be legal to use such a transmitter on the air. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
Okay, let's just DROP it. I see the pot starting to boil, and it's serving no purpose for this list. w5ami On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Bry Carling wrote: > WHAT do FM amplifiers have to do with an AM GROUP ? > > Do you have evidence that someone is modifying them and > using them to transmit AM illegally too? > > I mean - I thought this was for: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur > Service" > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
WHAT do FM amplifiers have to do with an AM GROUP ? Do you have evidence that someone is modifying them and using them to transmit AM illegally too? I mean - I thought this was for: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" From: "Bob Peters" > I came across this auction on E Bay.. #180354456363, ending on > 02-Apr-10 > 13:14:42 AEDST - 30 Watt FM Stereo Transmitter 88-108Mhz High > Quality > > > > I wrote the company an e mail to see if they would deliver one to > the USA. > This was my response. Hello sir > > yes we sold many to USA > > you are welcome to use our great transmitter sir > > thank you > > Now if this is legal for them to sell on e bay why would not any > amplifier > not be legal. I wonder if the FCC knows that these are being > imported to the > USA??? Talk about an ill legal item. > > > > Bob W1PE > > -~ø¤º°º¤ø~-"ßrÿ in FLÕRÎÐÁ"-~ø¤º°º¤ø~- __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Amps on eBay
Some people have way too much time on their hands, especially if they think they can ever make a difference with something like this on eBay. Obama needs your spare time & diligence to push Universal Healthcare through. Brian/WB2JIX __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
That's right. That's up to the FCC if they operate it in an illegal fashion. --- On Tue, 3/16/10, D. Chester wrote: From: D. Chester Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 3:24 AM Since it's not something likely to end up in use on the ham bands I wouldn't waste my time worrying about it. Let the broadcast people take care of the problem, if there is one. The commercial FM and AM bands have degenerated to little more than a vast wasteland anyway. I'm far more concerned about all the consumer crap on the market to-day that dumps buzzies and hash all over the HF spectrum, with apparent impunity . Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] ILL LEGAL STUFF ON E BAY
Since it's not something likely to end up in use on the ham bands I wouldn't waste my time worrying about it. Let the broadcast people take care of the problem, if there is one. The commercial FM and AM bands have degenerated to little more than a vast wasteland anyway. I'm far more concerned about all the consumer crap on the market to-day that dumps buzzies and hash all over the HF spectrum, with apparent impunity . Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
