[AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

2010-05-03 Thread Todd, KA1KAQ
Sorry for the multiple list posting, but time is short and max input is desired.

Got a call from a friend this afternoon who is talking with a
capacitor manufacturer about producing some caps for the radio, guitar
amp, and audio crowd. We've talked about this in the past but never
got to it. Now it looks like it will happen.

The question is, what values would be the most handy to have supplied
into the future for restoring old gear? Obviously we can't do a lot of
oddball values as we're mainly looking for values that will sell well
and be attractive from a production prospective. The few that popped
to mind for me were:

 .1, .01, and .47 mfd at both 400 and 600 vdc. I also specified axial
lead instead of the radial leads found on Orange drops since axial
leads are better suited to our needs. I'm looking for other values
that are likely to be encountered often enough to warrant production.
Maybe 6-12 different values to choose from. These would be caps used
for bypassing and such, not filtering. I suspect we could get them
'banded' for the foil side as well if folks feel that is important
enough.

The meeting is set for tomorrow, so timely input is critical. We're
*not* looking for a list of manufacturers who already make caps as we
believe more is better in this case. Some values are already getting
difficult to find.

TNX -

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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Re: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

2010-05-03 Thread pwittenbergsr
Todd, you may not be aware that there are a number of such sources already
on the market.  Most cap values are available already.  The issue is that
these axial caps are expensive. So if you could get caps for reasonable
prices you would help the market.

-73- Peter K2LRC
www.k2lrc.com
In God We Trust !

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Subject: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

Sorry for the multiple list posting, but time is short and max input is
desired.

Got a call from a friend this afternoon who is talking with a
capacitor manufacturer about producing some caps for the radio, guitar
amp, and audio crowd. We've talked about this in the past but never
got to it. Now it looks like it will happen.

The question is, what values would be the most handy to have supplied
into the future for restoring old gear? Obviously we can't do a lot of
oddball values as we're mainly looking for values that will sell well
and be attractive from a production prospective. The few that popped
to mind for me were:

 .1, .01, and .47 mfd at both 400 and 600 vdc. I also specified axial
lead instead of the radial leads found on Orange drops since axial
leads are better suited to our needs. I'm looking for other values
that are likely to be encountered often enough to warrant production.
Maybe 6-12 different values to choose from. These would be caps used
for bypassing and such, not filtering. I suspect we could get them
'banded' for the foil side as well if folks feel that is important
enough.

The meeting is set for tomorrow, so timely input is critical. We're
*not* looking for a list of manufacturers who already make caps as we
believe more is better in this case. Some values are already getting
difficult to find.

TNX -

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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Re: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

2010-05-03 Thread John Coleman
+/- 20%
Modern material will make the capacitors smaller than original so I would
suggest to go with only 600V

.001
.0022
.0039
.005
.01
.022
.039
.05 or .047
.1
.15
.22

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Subject: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

Sorry for the multiple list posting, but time is short and max input is
desired.

Got a call from a friend this afternoon who is talking with a
capacitor manufacturer about producing some caps for the radio, guitar
amp, and audio crowd. We've talked about this in the past but never
got to it. Now it looks like it will happen.

The question is, what values would be the most handy to have supplied
into the future for restoring old gear? Obviously we can't do a lot of
oddball values as we're mainly looking for values that will sell well
and be attractive from a production prospective. The few that popped
to mind for me were:

 .1, .01, and .47 mfd at both 400 and 600 vdc. I also specified axial
lead instead of the radial leads found on Orange drops since axial
leads are better suited to our needs. I'm looking for other values
that are likely to be encountered often enough to warrant production.
Maybe 6-12 different values to choose from. These would be caps used
for bypassing and such, not filtering. I suspect we could get them
'banded' for the foil side as well if folks feel that is important
enough.

The meeting is set for tomorrow, so timely input is critical. We're
*not* looking for a list of manufacturers who already make caps as we
believe more is better in this case. Some values are already getting
difficult to find.

TNX -

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[AMRadio] First Wednesday CCA AM Night May 5th!

2010-05-03 Thread Larry WA9VRH
FIRST WEDNESDAY AM NIGHT!!! Sponsored by the Collins Collectors Association.

Wednesday May 5th, 2010 on 3880 kcs at 7:00 PM local East Coast time marks 
the start of the latest
chapter of First Wednesday AM Night, drawing hundreds of vintage stations 
from across the country.

SPECIAL COMMENT!

Since band conditions have been rather unique this Fall and Winter I would 
ask that if one of our anchor stations is having trouble contacting stations 
in his area PLEASE
step up to the plate and offer to help out. It does not matter where you are 
or how much power you are running please lend a hand.

Mike who runs the Mighty Elmac net on the other Wednsday nights of the month 
has been doing that and he has been working stations all over the country.

This is about AM activity not necessarly Collins AM activity. Please pitch 
in and help!

Thanks!
Larry WA9VRH
AM Night Coordinator


The East Coast and Central sections run for 90 minutes in response to the 
tremendous participation in those time zones. The remaining time zones
will be an hour. We encourage stations to check-in on AM using Collins and 
other AM transmitters, new and
old.  It's an opportunity to revel in this nostalgic mode, enjoy giving 
vintage equipment a run, and sharing
some storytelling about classic vacuum tube homebrew and commercial designs. 
Typically more than a
hundred stations take part in the evening's coast-to-coast AM event; by the 
time it concludes at 10:00 PM
Local PST.

LISTEN for the following anchors and stop by to say hello, won't you? You 
don't have to be running Collins
or vintage gear to be welcomed into the group.

7:00 PM-8:30 PM Local East Coast Time Anchor:  Roger K5VRX

7:30 PM-9:00 PM Local Central Time Anchor:  Jim W0NKL and Brian K0EFJ

8:00 PM-9:00 PM Local Mountain Time Anchor: K0OJ Jim and Chuck KD0ZS

8:00 PM-9:00 PM Local West Coast Time Anchor:  WA6FIZ Mickey

We are still looking for additional anchors in the West Coast time zone. 
Please contact me if you are interested!

comments please to wa9...@dishmail.net

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Re: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

2010-05-03 Thread Larry WA9VRH
Hi Todd and All,

Instead of re-inventing the wheel why don't we use one of our own who is 
already in the business?

I refer to Tom N0JMY at Hayseed Hamfest.  The name does NOT reflect the 
quality of his products. He is building custom electrolytics but certainly 
could come up with a list of common caps.

Tom's a good guy with many satisified customers.  I believe we should try to 
keep this kind of products from within if possible.

73 Lary WA9VRH

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Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:31 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced


 Sorry for the multiple list posting, but time is short and max input is 
 desired.

 Got a call from a friend this afternoon who is talking with a
 capacitor manufacturer about producing some caps for the radio, guitar
 amp, and audio crowd. We've talked about this in the past but never
 got to it. Now it looks like it will happen.

 The question is, what values would be the most handy to have supplied
 into the future for restoring old gear? Obviously we can't do a lot of
 oddball values as we're mainly looking for values that will sell well
 and be attractive from a production prospective. The few that popped
 to mind for me were:

 .1, .01, and .47 mfd at both 400 and 600 vdc. I also specified axial
 lead instead of the radial leads found on Orange drops since axial
 leads are better suited to our needs. I'm looking for other values
 that are likely to be encountered often enough to warrant production.
 Maybe 6-12 different values to choose from. These would be caps used
 for bypassing and such, not filtering. I suspect we could get them
 'banded' for the foil side as well if folks feel that is important
 enough.

 The meeting is set for tomorrow, so timely input is critical. We're
 *not* looking for a list of manufacturers who already make caps as we
 believe more is better in this case. Some values are already getting
 difficult to find.

 TNX -

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Re: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

2010-05-03 Thread Todd, KA1KAQ
Well, as I mentioned Larry, we're looking to get them *produced* by a
capacitor company, not to sell them. This means another source for Tom
or anyone else to possibly use now or in the future. The way I look at
it, the more sources we can have producing these discreet components
in a surface-mount world, the better.

Aside from Tom, the only other source I'm aware of for decent
Electrolytics like Twist-Loks is AES, and the values they offer are
limited. I'd hate to see that happen with polyester and other caps
too. Orange Drops are great caps but the axial leads are a pita to
deal with at times. Sure, there are manufacturers cranking some values
out now, but who knows how long they will be around? This is mainly an
insurance/safety in numbers issue more than anything, based on the
fact that we have an opening presented to us.

To answer your question Barry, the hope is that they will be something
close to tubular with axial leads. It really depends on the size and
equipment they use to manufacture them. No idea yet on price but
they'd be crazy not to be competitive with other manufacturers. Since
they are an established company, I'm guessing it will be okay. No
audiophool approach here.

I appreciate the input, guys. I'll distill the values and send them
along. No guarantees at this point that it will happen, but you need
to start somewhere.

~ Todd (surprised you remembered the old nickname, Tom!),  KA1KAQ/4

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Larry WA9VRH wa9...@dishmail.net wrote:
 Hi Todd and All,

 Instead of re-inventing the wheel why don't we use one of our own who is
 already in the business?

 I refer to Tom N0JMY at Hayseed Hamfest.  The name does NOT reflect the
 quality of his products. He is building custom electrolytics but certainly
 could come up with a list of common caps.

 Tom's a good guy with many satisified customers.  I believe we should try to
 keep this kind of products from within if possible.

 73 Lary WA9VRH

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 From: Todd, KA1KAQ ka1...@gmail.com
 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
 amradio@mailman.qth.net; milsurplus milsurp...@mailman.qth.net;
 Boatanchors boatanch...@mailman.qth.net; National Radio Equipment
 natio...@mailman.qth.net; Hallicrafters Reflector
 hallicraft...@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:31 PM
 Subject: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced


 Sorry for the multiple list posting, but time is short and max input is
 desired.

 Got a call from a friend this afternoon who is talking with a
 capacitor manufacturer about producing some caps for the radio, guitar
 amp, and audio crowd. We've talked about this in the past but never
 got to it. Now it looks like it will happen.

 The question is, what values would be the most handy to have supplied
 into the future for restoring old gear? Obviously we can't do a lot of
 oddball values as we're mainly looking for values that will sell well
 and be attractive from a production prospective. The few that popped
 to mind for me were:

 .1, .01, and .47 mfd at both 400 and 600 vdc. I also specified axial
 lead instead of the radial leads found on Orange drops since axial
 leads are better suited to our needs. I'm looking for other values
 that are likely to be encountered often enough to warrant production.
 Maybe 6-12 different values to choose from. These would be caps used
 for bypassing and such, not filtering. I suspect we could get them
 'banded' for the foil side as well if folks feel that is important
 enough.

 The meeting is set for tomorrow, so timely input is critical. We're
 *not* looking for a list of manufacturers who already make caps as we
 believe more is better in this case. Some values are already getting
 difficult to find.

 TNX -

 ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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[AMRadio] Capacitor sources... an idea

2010-05-03 Thread zengmeiste
Gents, I once had the privilege of touring (part of) the Western Electric 
facility in 
Cicero, IL courtesy of my electronics instructor, Harry umm somethingorother.
 I don't know whether the setup we all saw was WA's main capacitor production
 device, but it sure was cute.  A PDP 8/I was being used as a process-control 
computer (someone sells DIY kits for these now...) for a foil+dielectric 
winding gizmo.
 Set up the foil and plastic rolls, click to the desired value and let 'er rip.

Man, she was pretty.  [ oh.. it was Harry Wheaton IIRC ]

   This COULD be duplicated by someone with a yen to DIY; hey,
 there's a fellow in France who manufactures his own vacuum tubes
 from start to finish; they DO work, I'm told.

   Just a vagrant thought for your delectation.

 73 all, Terry KC9KEL



 
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Re: [AMRadio] [Hallicrafters] [Boatanchors] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

2010-05-03 Thread Todd, KA1KAQ
Good input, Carl -

I don't think they can make disc caps. The hope is to have tubulars
made with axial leads and the foil end marked. My recollection is that
the right side of the printed label is the foil side, but it shouldn't
be difficult to add a paint band to the label screen. They would be
coated caps like an OD or such, not plastic wrapped. I'm guessing
Polyester or Polypropolene construction. It's been a while since I had
my mitts in such things, so the latter may not be produced anymore.

Once we get an idea of how receptive they are to producing these we
can move forward with adding other sizes and voltages.

~ Todd

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Carl k...@jeremy.mv.com wrote:
 I work on ham and vintage consumer radios and the .05 is very common.

 I prefer discs for the values up to .01 or even .05 depending on the
 voltage. Others may want all tubulars

 When working on a SX-28, SX-42, SX-62 the reduction in size makes a huge
 difference in neatness and ease of working. At times a 630V film is too big
 when the circuit voltage is under 100V which is why I asked for the 200V.
 More room, more airflow, less heat.

 National used a 1.0 uF @ 200V in a few radios. Actual voltage is a hair
 above zero.

 Ive seen very few communications/ham gear using a .5 but that and .2 is
 common in tube type auto radios in the 6V/12V input filtering. The auto
 radios are jam packed and you have to work thru layers of components at
 times. When Im finished every part has its own real estate, thanks to discs
 and compact films.

 I wont use parallel caps, it looks hokey and typical radio/TV service tech
 sloppiness of the 50-60's. I get a fair amount of that stuff in and its
 gross especially when there are several, plus series or parallel groups of
 resistors.

 Carl
 KM1H







 Hi Todd,
 I agree with your values, tho' Carl's got a point on the .047.  I don't
 think it's as often needed (here) as the .47.  Also, if size/price isn't
 much different, only 600v would handle everything.
 73,
 Al, W8UT
 www.boatanchors.org
 www.hammarlund.info

 There is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much
 worth doing as simply messing about in boats
 Ratty, to Mole


 The question is, what values would be the most handy to have supplied
 into the future for restoring old gear? Obviously we can't do a lot of
 oddball values as we're mainly looking for values that will sell well
 and be attractive from a production prospective. The few that popped
 to mind for me were:

  .1, .01, and .47 mfd at both 400 and 600 vdc. I also specified axial
 lead instead of the radial leads found on Orange drops since axial
 leads are better suited to our needs. I'm looking for other values
 that are likely to be encountered often enough to warrant production.
 Maybe 6-12 different values to choose from. These would be caps used
 for bypassing and such, not filtering. I suspect we could get them
 'banded' for the foil side as well if folks feel that is important
 enough.

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Re: [AMRadio] Capacitor sources... an idea

2010-05-03 Thread Barrie Smith
A PDP-8, eh?

Good grief, I had a couple of PDP-8Es in around 1970.  Soon went to PDP-11s, 
then a VAX.

My, how time doth fly.

73, Barrie, W7ALW


 Gents, I once had the privilege of touring (part of) the Western Electric 
 facility in
 Cicero, IL courtesy of my electronics instructor, Harry umm 
 somethingorother.
 I don't know whether the setup we all saw was WA's main capacitor 
 production
 device, but it sure was cute.  A PDP 8/I was being used as a 
 process-control computer (someone sells DIY kits for these now...) for a 
 foil+dielectric winding gizmo.
 Set up the foil and plastic rolls, click to the desired value and let 'er 
 rip.

Man, she was pretty.  [ oh.. it was Harry Wheaton IIRC ]

   This COULD be duplicated by someone with a yen to DIY; hey,
 there's a fellow in France who manufactures his own vacuum tubes
 from start to finish; they DO work, I'm told.

   Just a vagrant thought for your delectation.

 73 all, Terry KC9KEL




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Re: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be Reproduced

2010-05-03 Thread James R. La Frieda
One of the best sources for high voltage E-Caps and other HV capacitors 
for feed-thru and bypass -that I  recently found for recapping my Viking 
II and 75A-4 boatanchors  is www.justradios.com
They have a very large selection encompassing different types, sizes, 
and working dc voltages- and the best thing about them is that they have 
excellent prices compared to others on the web,
with one standard shipping price of $4.90 for surface or $6.90 for 
airmail, regardless of the size of the order. They have an Excel order 
form on their website for ordering that is quite convenient to use, 
which is then e-mailed to them. Bottomline: I was extremely pleased with 
the quality of their capacitors, and the quick service that they 
provided- and especially their excellent prices compared to several 
other on-line electronic component dealers on the web.

All the Best,
Jim, N6MV


- Original Message - 
From: Todd, KA1KAQ ka1...@gmail.com
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Cc: Boatanchors boatanch...@mailman.qth.net; National Radio 
Equipment natio...@mailman.qth.net; milsurplus 
milsurp...@mailman.qth.net; Hallicrafters Reflector 
hallicraft...@mailman.qth.net; Tom at Hayseed Hamfest 
t...@hayseedhamfest.com
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to 
beReproduced


Well, as I mentioned Larry, we're looking to get them *produced* by a
capacitor company, not to sell them. This means another source for Tom
or anyone else to possibly use now or in the future. The way I look at
it, the more sources we can have producing these discreet components
in a surface-mount world, the better.

Aside from Tom, the only other source I'm aware of for decent
Electrolytics like Twist-Loks is AES, and the values they offer are
limited. I'd hate to see that happen with polyester and other caps
too. Orange Drops are great caps but the axial leads are a pita to
deal with at times. Sure, there are manufacturers cranking some values
out now, but who knows how long they will be around? This is mainly an
insurance/safety in numbers issue more than anything, based on the
fact that we have an opening presented to us.

To answer your question Barry, the hope is that they will be something
close to tubular with axial leads. It really depends on the size and
equipment they use to manufacture them. No idea yet on price but
they'd be crazy not to be competitive with other manufacturers. Since
they are an established company, I'm guessing it will be okay. No
audiophool approach here.

I appreciate the input, guys. I'll distill the values and send them
along. No guarantees at this point that it will happen, but you need
to start somewhere.

~ Todd (surprised you remembered the old nickname, Tom!),  KA1KAQ/4

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Larry WA9VRH wa9...@dishmail.net 
wrote:
 Hi Todd and All,

 Instead of re-inventing the wheel why don't we use one of our own who 
 is
 already in the business?

 I refer to Tom N0JMY at Hayseed Hamfest. The name does NOT reflect the
 quality of his products. He is building custom electrolytics but 
 certainly
 could come up with a list of common caps.

 Tom's a good guy with many satisified customers. I believe we should 
 try to
 keep this kind of products from within if possible.

 73 Lary WA9VRH

 - Original Message -
 From: Todd, KA1KAQ ka1...@gmail.com
 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
 amradio@mailman.qth.net; milsurplus milsurp...@mailman.qth.net;
 Boatanchors boatanch...@mailman.qth.net; National Radio 
 Equipment
 natio...@mailman.qth.net; Hallicrafters Reflector
 hallicraft...@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:31 PM
 Subject: [AMRadio] Request for Most Common Capacitor Values to be 
 Reproduced


 Sorry for the multiple list posting, but time is short and max input 
 is
 desired.

 Got a call from a friend this afternoon who is talking with a
 capacitor manufacturer about producing some caps for the radio, 
 guitar
 amp, and audio crowd. We've talked about this in the past but never
 got to it. Now it looks like it will happen.

 The question is, what values would be the most handy to have supplied
 into the future for restoring old gear? Obviously we can't do a lot 
 of
 oddball values as we're mainly looking for values that will sell well
 and be attractive from a production prospective. The few that popped
 to mind for me were:

 .1, .01, and .47 mfd at both 400 and 600 vdc. I also specified axial
 lead instead of the radial leads found on Orange drops since axial
 leads are better suited to our needs. I'm looking for other values
 that are likely to be encountered often enough to warrant production.
 Maybe 6-12 different values to choose from. These would be caps used
 for bypassing and such, not filtering. I suspect we could get them
 'banded' for the foil side as well if folks feel that is important
 enough.

 The meeting is set for tomorrow, so timely