Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License
I am so glad that a panel of exam experts is on the list. I struggled to understand enough of the electronics to pass the general exam. The math and theory are latin to me. I can teach the technician exam, and have on occasion. Extra however is a whole different world to me. Who would like to be my elmer on this? Thanks. Todd. -Original Message- From: Bernie Doran qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:10 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License Hi Tom: I respectful have to disagree with you. the extra that I passed was far simpler that the general examination that I took in 1954. for that test one had to correctly draw circuits, my test required a Hartley oscillator and a neutralized push pull triode amplifier and I believe a few others. I took a first phone the same year and found it to be about the same as the extra of those days. I never took the twenty WPM as the best I could copy was about 22 and I figuired that was not enough of a buffer, plus the bands were the same for extra and general at that time.I would like to hear comments from others that took the general/extra back in the 50s and see what they thought, I guess the best thing would be track down an old license manual. 73 Bernie - Original Message - From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: AM ra...@qth.net amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class License Bernie Said: .And yes, I know this has been brought up before, and yes I know there are generals, not an excuse for most, a few hours with the license manual and you are an extra. I talked with a 13 year girl a while back that was an extra!!. NZ4O Says: It really get's old hearing the Extra Class license denigrated on this email list. I have a BS in Meteorology, an MS in Space Plasma Physics and an above average IQ but could not memorize all of the answers to all of the questions in the current Extra Class license question pool. I had to study and understand the material over a period of a few months to pass the test on the first try. 99.9% of the people that denigrate the current Extra Class question pool as being so easy that the answers to the questions can be memorized in short order, CAN NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT FEAT. Since the Morse code requirement was reduced to 5 wpm and then ultimately to zilch (which I did not agree with) the [The entire original message is not included] __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Extra Class License
Bernie Said: .And yes, I know this has been brought up before, and yes I know there are generals, not an excuse for most, a few hours with the license manual and you are an extra. I talked with a 13 year girl a while back that was an extra!!. NZ4O Says: It really get's old hearing the Extra Class license denigrated on this email list. I have a BS in Meteorology, an MS in Space Plasma Physics and an above average IQ but could not memorize all of the answers to all of the questions in the current Extra Class license question pool. I had to study and understand the material over a period of a few months to pass the test on the first try. 99.9% of the people that denigrate the current Extra Class question pool as being so easy that the answers to the questions can be memorized in short order, CAN NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT FEAT. Since the Morse code requirement was reduced to 5 wpm and then ultimately to zilch (which I did not agree with) the question pools have been toughened. The average Extra Class ham that passed the written rest 10-20 years ago could not pass the current exam without real study. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@arrl.net LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email Reflector: http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation Forecast Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm NZ4O Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data In Graphic Image Format: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date: 09/26/09 17:51:00 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License
I don't need an extra class license to run my appliances on 3885. 73, Ken W2DTC I have a BS in Meteorology, an MS in Space Plasma Physics and an above average IQ but could not memorize all of the answers to all of the questions in the current Extra Class license question pool. Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License
Regarding the Extra exam, I found it more of an IQ test than a meaningful ham radio test. Some of the questions were of dubious value in my opinion in determining how well versed you were about amateur radio. I got my first Extra in 1953 when the questions seems to be meaningful and I had to copy 20 WPM of code groups. Then I did an incredibly stupid thing: I let it run out. The second time around was perhaps 10 years or so ago and it was at that time that the test seemed so weird to me. - Jim W4ENE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License
Jim: This an almost carbon copy of my situation! When I first took the Extra in the early 1950s, it was all essay questions and freehand schematic drawings. And, of course, the CW. (I thought it was 21 words per minute?) I lost my ticket due to work and family, but started crawling back up the ladder in the 1980s. I took the Extra about ten years ago and thought most of the questions were strange, to say the least. I made arrangements with the local club to take the Extra test on a certain date and told myself that I'd study intensly for two weeks before the test. Two weeks before the test my mother died. I was taking care of things 200 miles away from home for most of the two week period. I'd made the arrangements to take the test, so I did. I took the test and passed, without studying! Granted, I didn't get the score I would have liked, but 85% was passing. 73, Barrie, W7ALW - Original Message - From: Jim Tonne to...@comcast.net To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License Regarding the Extra exam, I found it more of an IQ test than a meaningful ham radio test. Some of the questions were of dubious value in my opinion in determining how well versed you were about amateur radio. I got my first Extra in 1953 when the questions seems to be meaningful and I had to copy 20 WPM of code groups. Then I did an incredibly stupid thing: I let it run out. The second time around was perhaps 10 years or so ago and it was at that time that the test seemed so weird to me. - Jim W4ENE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License
Hi Tom: I respectful have to disagree with you. the extra that I passed was far simpler that the general examination that I took in 1954. for that test one had to correctly draw circuits, my test required a Hartley oscillator and a neutralized push pull triode amplifier and I believe a few others. I took a first phone the same year and found it to be about the same as the extra of those days. I never took the twenty WPM as the best I could copy was about 22 and I figuired that was not enough of a buffer, plus the bands were the same for extra and general at that time.I would like to hear comments from others that took the general/extra back in the 50s and see what they thought, I guess the best thing would be track down an old license manual. 73 Bernie - Original Message - From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: AM ra...@qth.net amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class License Bernie Said: .And yes, I know this has been brought up before, and yes I know there are generals, not an excuse for most, a few hours with the license manual and you are an extra. I talked with a 13 year girl a while back that was an extra!!. NZ4O Says: It really get's old hearing the Extra Class license denigrated on this email list. I have a BS in Meteorology, an MS in Space Plasma Physics and an above average IQ but could not memorize all of the answers to all of the questions in the current Extra Class license question pool. I had to study and understand the material over a period of a few months to pass the test on the first try. 99.9% of the people that denigrate the current Extra Class question pool as being so easy that the answers to the questions can be memorized in short order, CAN NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT FEAT. Since the Morse code requirement was reduced to 5 wpm and then ultimately to zilch (which I did not agree with) the question pools have been toughened. The average Extra Class ham that passed the written rest 10-20 years ago could not pass the current exam without real study. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@arrl.net LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email Reflector: http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation Forecast Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm NZ4O Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data In Graphic Image Format: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date: 09/26/09 17:51:00 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License
I passed the General exam in 1957 mostly with waht I leaned in USAF Radar Schaool and some reading in the ARRL handbook. We had to draw schematics and work math problems. No multiple guess. We could use a sliderule for thos problems in those days. I took the Extra exam this year after being pushed by friends to do so. I looked at the question pool twicwe then just took the test with what knowledge i had. I got 80% correct. I personally think the current Extra exam is a bunch of BS! Too much computer BS in it. My weak area was the satalite stuff which I did not want to spend time learning since I will never use it. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. Real Radios Glow In The Dark! - Original Message - From: Bernie Doran qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License Hi Tom: I respectful have to disagree with you. the extra that I passed was far simpler that the general examination that I took in 1954. for that test one had to correctly draw circuits, my test required a Hartley oscillator and a neutralized push pull triode amplifier and I believe a few others. I took a first phone the same year and found it to be about the same as the extra of those days. I never took the twenty WPM as the best I could copy was about 22 and I figuired that was not enough of a buffer, plus the bands were the same for extra and general at that time.I would like to hear comments from others that took the general/extra back in the 50s and see what they thought, I guess the best thing would be track down an old license manual. 73 Bernie - Original Message - From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: AM ra...@qth.net amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class License Bernie Said: .And yes, I know this has been brought up before, and yes I know there are generals, not an excuse for most, a few hours with the license manual and you are an extra. I talked with a 13 year girl a while back that was an extra!!. NZ4O Says: It really get's old hearing the Extra Class license denigrated on this email list. I have a BS in Meteorology, an MS in Space Plasma Physics and an above average IQ but could not memorize all of the answers to all of the questions in the current Extra Class license question pool. I had to study and understand the material over a period of a few months to pass the test on the first try. 99.9% of the people that denigrate the current Extra Class question pool as being so easy that the answers to the questions can be memorized in short order, CAN NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT FEAT. Since the Morse code requirement was reduced to 5 wpm and then ultimately to zilch (which I did not agree with) the question pools have been toughened. The average Extra Class ham that passed the written rest 10-20 years ago could not pass the current exam without real study. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@arrl.net LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email Reflector: http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation Forecast Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm NZ4O Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data In Graphic Image Format: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date: 09/26/09 17:51:00 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License
BTW: I passed the 2nd Class Phone exam in 1958 with the same knowledge necessary for the General. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. Real Radios Glow In The Dark! - Original Message - From: Bob Macklin macklin...@msn.com To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License I passed the General exam in 1957 mostly with waht I leaned in USAF Radar Schaool and some reading in the ARRL handbook. We had to draw schematics and work math problems. No multiple guess. We could use a sliderule for thos problems in those days. I took the Extra exam this year after being pushed by friends to do so. I looked at the question pool twicwe then just took the test with what knowledge i had. I got 80% correct. I personally think the current Extra exam is a bunch of BS! Too much computer BS in it. My weak area was the satalite stuff which I did not want to spend time learning since I will never use it. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. Real Radios Glow In The Dark! - Original Message - From: Bernie Doran qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class License Hi Tom: I respectful have to disagree with you. the extra that I passed was far simpler that the general examination that I took in 1954. for that test one had to correctly draw circuits, my test required a Hartley oscillator and a neutralized push pull triode amplifier and I believe a few others. I took a first phone the same year and found it to be about the same as the extra of those days. I never took the twenty WPM as the best I could copy was about 22 and I figuired that was not enough of a buffer, plus the bands were the same for extra and general at that time.I would like to hear comments from others that took the general/extra back in the 50s and see what they thought, I guess the best thing would be track down an old license manual. 73 Bernie - Original Message - From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: AM ra...@qth.net amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class License Bernie Said: .And yes, I know this has been brought up before, and yes I know there are generals, not an excuse for most, a few hours with the license manual and you are an extra. I talked with a 13 year girl a while back that was an extra!!. NZ4O Says: It really get's old hearing the Extra Class license denigrated on this email list. I have a BS in Meteorology, an MS in Space Plasma Physics and an above average IQ but could not memorize all of the answers to all of the questions in the current Extra Class license question pool. I had to study and understand the material over a period of a few months to pass the test on the first try. 99.9% of the people that denigrate the current Extra Class question pool as being so easy that the answers to the questions can be memorized in short order, CAN NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT FEAT. Since the Morse code requirement was reduced to 5 wpm and then ultimately to zilch (which I did not agree with) the question pools have been toughened. The average Extra Class ham that passed the written rest 10-20 years ago could not pass the current exam without real study. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@arrl.net LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email Reflector: http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation Forecast Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm NZ4O Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data In Graphic Image Format: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion Archive: http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date: 09/26/09 17:51:00 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body
