Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
If you have seen many of these, you'd realize that the vast majority are absolute junk, and not have much in the way of usable parts for hams. | | One thing to keep in mind about all of those illegal CB amplifiers on | eBay...What a great cheap source of parts and/or foundation for LEGAL | ham amplifiers to be used on 10 meters or other bands! | Bob - N0DGN
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
Hi all...I often tune thru the CB band area also to check for band openings on 10 and 6. Often times, the CB gang is "shootin' skip" with no problem and the 10 meter band will be stone quiet. Maybe that's why so many of them move up that way, as they percieve it as unused air space, and up for grabsAl/W8FAX --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
Hello AMers, I am certainly inclined to agree with all that has been said about doing something about all of the illegal CB activity, however, it seems to me that far too much negative energy is being spent pursuing this age-old problem. There are so many positive things that we could be discussing! Let's face it. We can complain forever about these issues and they will still probably always exist, even if law enforcement is increased. What we are talking about is a whole "sub-culture" of individuals who enjoy doing these things and they will keep it up 'til their dying days. I, for one, would really enjoy more good technical and AM operating discussion on this reflector. Just my two cents worth. One thing to keep in mind about all of those illegal CB amplifiers on eBay...What a great cheap source of parts and/or foundation for LEGAL ham amplifiers to be used on 10 meters or other bands! 73, Jack, W9GT check out my web page at: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/w9gt/index.htm
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
Hi Jim and AM gang, While I was here at the keyboard yesterday I decided to turn on the HF rig for to have something to listen to while I worked. I started at 29.999 MHz and then headed down, sometimes I do a continuous tune to see what's out there. I wasn't watching the dial as I was tuning and heard some SSTV signals. I looked up to see the frequency was 27.7 something! SSTV ON 11M--Gezz what a waste! Then I keep going down to check for possible DX on 12m and then I heard a very loud sounding British station using SSB. It was around 25.500 and he was using a Icom 756 Pro! He sounded very nice and he didn't act like the typical CBer with the Jerk lingo. He described his antenna as a monobander up 60 plus feet with a boom nearing 30 feet!!! It just seems weird to hear a bootlegger on SSB using ham gear that sounds better than 99.9 % of the Ham stations I hear on the bands. I guess I am getting old, I remember some of these guys using Collins 32v's, KW-1's, Johnson 500's and Henry amplifiers in the mid 1970s. In fact I got two of my Johnson 500 from CBers that burned them up and didn't know what to do with them. One time I was tuning a dead 10m band and went up above 29.7 I heard loggers up in the NW. I haven't heard them since. You never know what you will see or hear out of these guys. I am not sure they still do this but 20 years ago you could catch "freebanders" below the Ham CW bands using Drake, Kenwood, and Yaesu equipment. It has never been easier to get a Ham license, it just doesn't make sense to me. 73 de jay.. From: "Jim Candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: FW: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers > > > I asked my Nephew who is into Monster car stereos just what he's seen > concerning Monster Mobile CB. His reply is below. > > Regards, > Jim Candela > WD5JKO > > > -Original Message- > From: tonyandtoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:48 PM > To: Jim Candela > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers > > > I haven't seen any of it around here. When I lived in Little Rock, I saw my > fair share of it. The crowd was mostly men and they supposedly put > $1,000 each into a pot to "enter" these keyoffs. They'd set up a base a > mile or so away and everyone would key up at the same time on a designated > channel. The guy with the strongest signal would drown all others out and > thereby take the pot. > > Of course, I never actually witnessed these events. I did however see my > fair share of 1Kw and up Linears in some of these guys cars. Some of the > systems had MANY (up to 7) alternators that were any where from 200 amp and > up EACH. Unlike us car audio guys, they didn't believe in using auxiliary > battery banks to maintain voltage -- they accomplished this directly from > the alternators. I remember one guy came in with about 3Kw in a late model > Buick. He had a single 300 Amp Les Deville alternator (like you'd see > strapped to the motor of a BIG firetruck) and two runs of 4/0 power cable > run underneath the car to the amps in the trunk. If memory serves me, he > did have one additional battery under the hood. He also had all the ECM > harnesses under the hood wrapped in some kind of lead shielding to keep the > car running when he was on the highway! He popped the trunk and had equally > large braided ground straps from the frame of the car run up to the amps as > well as the ground plane of the antenna. I was floored. He keyed this > thing up and the base of his antenna (at LEAST an inch diameter at the base) > was glowing RED in about 10 seconds. You could FEEL the RF in the hair on > your arms. That shit CAN'T be good for you. > > We got in pretty good with them and sold them LOTS of 1/0 gauge wire, gold > plated battery clamps, distribution blocks, and all the other stuff that > they needed to install these wild systems. I also saw my fair share of > "upgradable" linears. Some of them were built for 1Kw operation and had > empty slots where you could plug in extra Motorola TO-3 devices to double or > even triple power. From what I understood, it was NOT illegal to sell these > amps. It WAS however illegal to install them. Most of the guys installing > these BIG systems were quite talented but not licensed whatsoever by the > FCC. I guess that's how they got around it. > > Hey listen, us Car Audio guys ain't that crazy! > > Tony > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Tony & Toni Candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:41 PM > Subject: FW: [AMRadio] I
FW: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
I asked my Nephew who is into Monster car stereos just what he's seen concerning Monster Mobile CB. His reply is below. Regards, Jim Candela WD5JKO -Original Message- From: tonyandtoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:48 PM To: Jim Candela Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers I haven't seen any of it around here. When I lived in Little Rock, I saw my fair share of it. The crowd was mostly men and they supposedly put $1,000 each into a pot to "enter" these keyoffs. They'd set up a base a mile or so away and everyone would key up at the same time on a designated channel. The guy with the strongest signal would drown all others out and thereby take the pot. Of course, I never actually witnessed these events. I did however see my fair share of 1Kw and up Linears in some of these guys cars. Some of the systems had MANY (up to 7) alternators that were any where from 200 amp and up EACH. Unlike us car audio guys, they didn't believe in using auxiliary battery banks to maintain voltage -- they accomplished this directly from the alternators. I remember one guy came in with about 3Kw in a late model Buick. He had a single 300 Amp Les Deville alternator (like you'd see strapped to the motor of a BIG firetruck) and two runs of 4/0 power cable run underneath the car to the amps in the trunk. If memory serves me, he did have one additional battery under the hood. He also had all the ECM harnesses under the hood wrapped in some kind of lead shielding to keep the car running when he was on the highway! He popped the trunk and had equally large braided ground straps from the frame of the car run up to the amps as well as the ground plane of the antenna. I was floored. He keyed this thing up and the base of his antenna (at LEAST an inch diameter at the base) was glowing RED in about 10 seconds. You could FEEL the RF in the hair on your arms. That shit CAN'T be good for you. We got in pretty good with them and sold them LOTS of 1/0 gauge wire, gold plated battery clamps, distribution blocks, and all the other stuff that they needed to install these wild systems. I also saw my fair share of "upgradable" linears. Some of them were built for 1Kw operation and had empty slots where you could plug in extra Motorola TO-3 devices to double or even triple power. From what I understood, it was NOT illegal to sell these amps. It WAS however illegal to install them. Most of the guys installing these BIG systems were quite talented but not licensed whatsoever by the FCC. I guess that's how they got around it. Hey listen, us Car Audio guys ain't that crazy! Tony - Original Message - From: "Jim Candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tony & Toni Candela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: FW: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers > > Tony, > > Is this stuff still going on? > > Uncle Jim > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Ring CSRE > CBNT W3NU > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:01 AM > To: amradio@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers > > > > > Ed Sieb wrote: > > > Hi Brian, > > > > It's worse than you think! > > > > In the last few years, a new type of CB activity has become very popular - > > the "Keydown Superbowl". > > A group, or club of CB'ers will organize a meet where the participants get > > together to compete over who has the biggest linear, with the most power. > > Amps with power levels of anywhere from 10 KW to even 50KW are operated, > > (often into ruggedized vertical antennas). > > > > > > I have heard of these events and the subculture that supports them, and I am > guessing that the FCC hesitates to go after them for the same reason as cops > hesitate to go after a well-armed biker gang - the real possibility of > violence. > > Also realize that their claimed power levels are most likely very > exaggerated, > not that it isn't enough to make them the world champs of harmful > interference. > > On a more normal scale there is never a hamfest where i dont see a selection > of > awful looking illegal CB amps. At the last one I saw one painted black, > which > reminded me of this (written by Rod Newkirk?) from an old QST: > > A CB with mind full of static > thinks Uncle is undemocratic > He daily demands > a dozen new bands > for his secret black box in the attic > > > 73 de W3NU > > > > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
John wrote: > I personal know many of the brothers on superbowl 6 , 3cx1A7 , are > baby amps !! The highest output mobile that I know of (personally saw it & > know the owner) does 50 kilowatt plus & uses 8 huge alternators on the > engine with Peter Dahl transformers 20 , 30 kilowatt mobile are > common place So when someone tells me they have two 8877 in their amp, I > just laugh & say that it would make a good driver amp !! Where I come from, a 3CX10,000A7 needs to support it a box more than a yard square on the floor and about six feet tall, weighing well over 1000 pounds, and that is at 100mHz running class C. 73 de W3NU
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No wonder those guys talk the way they do... with all that RF cooking their brains! Not to mention the nearby unknowing cars. They should be arrested. George AB2KC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:09 PM To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers If you dont believe it go take a look at davemade.com..amazing.Al/W8FAX --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.--- ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
I personal know many of the brothers on superbowl 6 , 3cx1A7 , are baby amps !! The highest output mobile that I know of (personally saw it & know the owner) does 50 kilowatt plus & uses 8 huge alternators on the engine with Peter Dahl transformers 20 , 30 kilowatt mobile are common place So when someone tells me they have two 8877 in their amp, I just laugh & say that it would make a good driver amp !! John
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
If you dont believe it go take a look at davemade.com..amazing.Al/W8FAX --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
I am a Ham. I do NOT participate in these. BUT - The power levels ARE NOT exaggerated! Levels into the 10s of KW are the NORM at these events. Bob - N0DGN - Original Message - From: "Charles Ring CSRE CBNT W3NU" | | I have heard of these events and the subculture that supports them, and I am | guessing that the FCC hesitates to go after them for the same reason as cops | hesitate to go after a well-armed biker gang - the real possibility of violence. | | Also realize that their claimed power levels are most likely very exaggerated, | not that it isn't enough to make them the world champs of harmful interference. | | On a more normal scale there is never a hamfest where i dont see a selection of | awful looking illegal CB amps. At the last one I saw one painted black, which | reminded me of this (written by Rod Newkirk?) from an old QST: | | A CB with mind full of static | thinks Uncle is undemocratic | He daily demands | a dozen new bands | for his secret black box in the attic | | | 73 de W3NU
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
Ed Sieb wrote: > Hi Brian, > > It's worse than you think! > > In the last few years, a new type of CB activity has become very popular - > the "Keydown Superbowl". > A group, or club of CB'ers will organize a meet where the participants get > together to compete over who has the biggest linear, with the most power. > Amps with power levels of anywhere from 10 KW to even 50KW are operated, > (often into ruggedized vertical antennas). > > I have heard of these events and the subculture that supports them, and I am guessing that the FCC hesitates to go after them for the same reason as cops hesitate to go after a well-armed biker gang - the real possibility of violence. Also realize that their claimed power levels are most likely very exaggerated, not that it isn't enough to make them the world champs of harmful interference. On a more normal scale there is never a hamfest where i dont see a selection of awful looking illegal CB amps. At the last one I saw one painted black, which reminded me of this (written by Rod Newkirk?) from an old QST: A CB with mind full of static thinks Uncle is undemocratic He daily demands a dozen new bands for his secret black box in the attic 73 de W3NU
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Hello Ed, Mind if I use thios e mail to help start another fuss over this stuff with FCC ? Will also start a discussion on QRZ. Tom - K0PJG - Original Message - From: "Ed Sieb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "Brian Carling, AF4K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers > Hi Brian, > > It's worse than you think! > > In the last few years, a new type of CB activity has become very popular - > the "Keydown Superbowl". > A group, or club of CB'ers will organize a meet where the participants get > together to compete over who has the biggest linear, with the most power. > Amps with power levels of anywhere from 10 KW to even 50KW are operated, > (often into ruggedized vertical antennas). > > To generate the DC required for these amps, several 72 volt railroad > alternators are daisy-chained together under the hoods of trucks (Chevy > Suburbans are popular). 7 alternator power plants are not uncommon. The DC > goes to large DC regulators, and then to the amps, mostly solid state, but > occasionally tube amps are used too. The solid state amps are typically > multiple "pill" amps - "12 pill", "24 pill", up to "128" pill or more. > Most of the amps are custom built by specialty shops, who advertise on the > web, or at select CB shops. > > The favorite channel is 27.025, the "superbowl" channel. The winner gets a > trophy, and sometimes some cash. Veterans of such skill-testing > competitions, like to show off large pickle jars filled with "dead pills", > the blown finals of their own, and competitor's amps. > > Some of the more technically talented prefer tube-type amps, with large > broadcast tubes the preferred device. 3CX3000F1, and similar are quite > popular, in pairs or quads. The amps often occupy most of the cargo space in > the vehicles, shared with the requisite extra batteries. > > So, the next time you wonder why the CB band is always open, while 10M > isn't, consider that these people have the means to make their own > propagation! The other issue is not the spectrum polution, from these > wickedly dirty often Class-C amps, but from the RF fields produced during > the competition! Never mind FCC enforcement, maybe the EPA should get > involved! > > Ed, VA3ES > > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
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Hello,
Mind if I borrow this E Mail es send it on to other places ... QRZ, FCC
etc., ? I might just as well get started causing another fuss over this. Not
much happened before ( that I know of ).
Tom - K0PJG
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If you want to get a shock, do a serach on the phrase "10 meter" radios".
These are targeted and being sold to CB'ers, and they all operate well above
28 mHz. Just one example, (check out the rebel flag)
http://www.paceradios.com/cart/connex_10_meter_.html
Then take a look at this "CB channel chart". 29.655 is listed as "channel
40,
band D"!!!..
http://hitmanpa118.hypermart.net/channelchart.htm
Here's another..
http://www.cbcintl.com/
("NEW! Expanded CB Channel & Frequency Chart (14Kb PDF). Free 1-page
download covers Ch.1–40 in “legal” FCC band, plus 7 other bands, 4 down and
3 up. Total range shown is 25.165–28.755 MHz")
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Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
If you want to get a shock, do a serach on the phrase "10 meter" radios".
These are targeted and being sold to CB'ers, and they all operate well above
28 mHz. Just one example, (check out the rebel flag)
http://www.paceradios.com/cart/connex_10_meter_.html
Then take a look at this "CB channel chart". 29.655 is listed as "channel 40,
band D"!!!..
http://hitmanpa118.hypermart.net/channelchart.htm
Here's another..
http://www.cbcintl.com/
("NEW! Expanded CB Channel & Frequency Chart (14Kb PDF). Free 1-page
download covers Ch.1–40 in “legal” FCC band, plus 7 other bands, 4 down and
3 up. Total range shown is 25.165–28.755 MHz")
RE: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
Hi Brian, It's worse than you think! In the last few years, a new type of CB activity has become very popular - the "Keydown Superbowl". A group, or club of CB'ers will organize a meet where the participants get together to compete over who has the biggest linear, with the most power. Amps with power levels of anywhere from 10 KW to even 50KW are operated, (often into ruggedized vertical antennas). To generate the DC required for these amps, several 72 volt railroad alternators are daisy-chained together under the hoods of trucks (Chevy Suburbans are popular). 7 alternator power plants are not uncommon. The DC goes to large DC regulators, and then to the amps, mostly solid state, but occasionally tube amps are used too. The solid state amps are typically multiple "pill" amps - "12 pill", "24 pill", up to "128" pill or more. Most of the amps are custom built by specialty shops, who advertise on the web, or at select CB shops. The favorite channel is 27.025, the "superbowl" channel. The winner gets a trophy, and sometimes some cash. Veterans of such skill-testing competitions, like to show off large pickle jars filled with "dead pills", the blown finals of their own, and competitor's amps. Some of the more technically talented prefer tube-type amps, with large broadcast tubes the preferred device. 3CX3000F1, and similar are quite popular, in pairs or quads. The amps often occupy most of the cargo space in the vehicles, shared with the requisite extra batteries. So, the next time you wonder why the CB band is always open, while 10M isn't, consider that these people have the means to make their own propagation! The other issue is not the spectrum polution, from these wickedly dirty often Class-C amps, but from the RF fields produced during the competition! Never mind FCC enforcement, maybe the EPA should get involved! Ed, VA3ES
Re: [AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
There are also lots of little 100 to 500 watt amps that pop up for sale on bay of e. Constant complaints to them have resulted in nil. I have also sent a few emails to the ARRL asking why they don't take a step in helping to enforce the control of these items. I never got an answer back from them, and I suppose they are far too busy with spectrum control issues to bother with this. A lot of these amps are advertised in the "ham radio" listing. I have also seen a couple on the for sale reflector, and also e.ham and QRZ. They are sold openly in some truck stops that have CB shops also. I have noticed that they are for saleCASH only, while you can get service, repair, or buy radios with a credit cardAl/W8FAX --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
[AMRadio] Illegal 27 MHz dealers
I am not sure where to ask this, but some here seem to be up on regulatory matters. I do apologize if it is off-topic. Is the FCC at all interested in this type of brazen, illegal QRO operation on 27 MHz any more? Quite a few dealers advertise "linears" openly on the internet. This outfit offers to install high current alternators, and to service linear amplifiers. One is shown with 6 alternators on one engine, presumably to run several KW of RF. With all of the recent (usually wlecome) enforcement by Riley Hollingsworth I wonder if they show any interest? = = = To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "ohio_hunnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello everyone I am new to this group and just wanted to invite you all to visit CBR Electronicswe're your one stop CB shop and now accept online orders, we feature Davemade accessories and there are some great pictures of Keydown Competitions. We are located at 4231c Portsmouth Blvd in Portsmouth, Virginia. http://www.cbrelectronics.com Have a great week!! = = = End of forwarded message
