Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
On 5/30/06, W5OMR/Geoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and it just seems like a shame >to find a NEW one and chop it up. Now that I think about it, if I WAS >flush, I'd try to buy this myself in a heartbeat. I think it is that >significant. > What chop-up? different xtals, and a slight re-tune and it's moved up 2Mc. It's a 'mod' (and, that's a stretch) that's easily undone. Glad someone finally pointed this out. I'm all for preserving history, and not hacking up old gear to try to make it something it was never intended to be. There's enough gear out there to do the job. BUT! This is my kind of mod. And as others mentioned, it allows the old rig some use and enjoyment. I'm all for mods that are reversible, like tube swaps, using different crystals, retuning, and so on. I've even swapped out a few components on a "[EMAIL PROTECTED], COLLECTIBLE" Collins KW-1 years ago to improve the audio response slightly. Yep - I unsoldered and resoldered. Still completely reversible beyond the 'virgin solder' I wantonly destroyed.(shhh) I'm not for drilling and blasting, but to each his own. I really enjoy preserving the old gear as operating examples, but using it is a huge part of that enjoyment. I'm not a big fan of "shelf queens", stamps or old coins are more fun for inanimate collecting. Having something around that is only what is is if it's functioning fills me with the need to use it as designed (more or less). If it doesn't (read 'isn't allowed to') work, it's just another unusual doorstop. Biggest thing to keep in mind with respect to perceived collector value and interest: We're it. 99.9% of the people currently on the planet have little, if any interest in this "junk" as they so often call it. What are the chances that more people will be interest in 50 or 100 years from now? And even if something is "preserved", what good is it if it resides in a dark basement somewhere, never to be seen or enjoyed by anyone? I do believe that 'significant' examples should be preserved, but a museum has to think of using its limited space to display items of interest to the masses, not the few. So outside of the AWA, Fred Hammond's museum and perhaps a handful of others, I don't see it happening. It's been a very interesting, informative thread. I also have an old Johnson Messenger I given to me by an uncle. It was used on the granite quarry where he worked, to communicate with the big Euclid trucks they used. Sounds like 10m is the ideal way to get it active again. It's grubby and sports a repainted brown cabinet, but it still functions. Chuck, you sounded HI FI FB up this way when we talked a week or so back. A fine, strapping signal OM! de Todd/'Boomer' KA1KAQ
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
Brian Carling wrote: N4XY responds to Pete's comments about the recommendation of trashing an old, NIB Johnson Whiteface transciver: QUOTE: Since I can't let Pete's comment(s) sit, I'll make one last public remark, then drop it on the list as far as my own comments are concerned. The trick is going to be to do this without flame. So here goes: The way to avoid that, is to not put it 'out there' in the first place, or have someone else do it for you. and it just seems like a shame to find a NEW one and chop it up. Now that I think about it, if I WAS flush, I'd try to buy this myself in a heartbeat. I think it is that significant. What chop-up? different xtals, and a slight re-tune and it's moved up 2Mc. It's a 'mod' (and, that's a stretch) that's easily undone. -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
N4XY responds to Pete's comments about the recommendation of trashing an old, NIB Johnson Whiteface transciver: QUOTE: Since I can't let Pete's comment(s) sit, I'll make one last public remark, then drop it on the list as far as my own comments are concerned. The trick is going to be to do this without flame. So here goes: Where else does one put an NOS/NIB radio with all the papers/etc? It would be fine to get it out and operate on occasion, but since it is CB, I just wouldn't do that. Yet... I would have considered buying it (these days I probably couldn't have afforded this particular jewel: it's an allocation of resources thing) if I was suitably flush. Why? Because, as I said, I consider it to have serious significance within a Historical perspective of the HF Spectrum. THIS radio was THE radio CBs were compared against for years. I only know about it at all because of the number of 'Citizens' I heard/overheard talking about White-Face-Johnsons. I believe its place in the chronicles of HF Radio in general is a significant one; and it just seems like a shame to find a NEW one and chop it up. Now that I think about it, if I WAS flush, I'd try to buy this myself in a heartbeat. I think it is that significant. Now for the difficult-almost-flame part: Why in the world are you even ON a reflector like this one Pete, if radios-to you-are just bundles of components? And if it's just CBs ONLY that you feel that way about, why is yours an opinion even worth remarking? As folks like to say these days: whatever. Please feel free to disparage all you like off-list-and I guess even one good shot ought to be allowed ON list since I took this one. I actually do not mean it as an insult, but am mostly just curious. You seem to have no respect for equipment at all. One small aside: I do not mean to be wearing false colors: I am the Reflector Manager for the QSL.NET EFJohnson email Reflector. I cannot recall EVER seeing anything about CB on there. If there ever has been, it has been so infrequent I just don't remember it (and wouldn't have paid much attention to it anyway.) I just didn't want somebody thinking about it later and seeing some agenda in this. At 03:43 PM 2006-05-27, Peter A Markavage wrote: >How many of these things need to float around to preserve history? And >preserve it for whom? It's a "plain-jane" CB; a box of hardware and >components connected together. It was one of dozens of models popping up >during that time frame. It wasn't even the first CB on the market. Chop >it up, modify it, turn it into a blender, or whatever. It has little >historic significance for future generations. Personally, I would sell >it, and buy a real radio. > >Pete, wa2cwa >///snip 72/73 Ed Tanton N4XY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = = = "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" - so I guess we all know what to buy Pete for Christmas this year!
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
I had two Johnsons in decent shape but figuring the cost of receive and transmit crystals (you never always have the "right pair"), no tunable receive, I opted to sell them, and picked up a beautiful Lafayette HA-410 with tunable receive, VFO or crystal operation, 2E26 in the final, and a spot switch that allows you to zero in (i.e. a tunable BFO) and even work SSB stations. It's even plate modulated. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 27 May 2006 11:48:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Hello Bob: Congrats on NIB Whiteface. There are still a lot of them > around > but not many NIB. I own 3 of them, one looks like it needs some TLC, > one I > converted to 10 Meters easily, just new crystals and 20 minutes > tune-up. > As I recall, I put 29.000 and 29.100 in that one. (I scan 29.000 to > 29.150 > in 10 KHz steps). I think I doubled the power by shorting out the > final screen > resistor but would have to look at it again. (I did not get 10 Watts > out). > > One Whiteface I converted to cover 160 Meters. This is a bit more > difficult > ( new final coil and tune cap, new RF Chokes etc + crystals ) works > well > for local net type use. They are a fun radio to work on or to get > your first > conversion going. > > Have fun. 73, Charlie, K0NG ..
RE: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
Great Charlie Will be taking pixs of all today and posting them on my Web site. Need to make an AC power cable up for it... It did not come with it...Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:48 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio; Bob Peters Cc: Boatanchors; amradio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE Hello Bob: Congrats on NIB Whiteface. There are still a lot of them around but not many NIB. I own 3 of them, one looks like it needs some TLC, one I converted to 10 Meters easily, just new crystals and 20 minutes tune-up. As I recall, I put 29.000 and 29.100 in that one. (I scan 29.000 to 29.150 in 10 KHz steps). I think I doubled the power by shorting out the final screen resistor but would have to look at it again. (I did not get 10 Watts out). One Whiteface I converted to cover 160 Meters. This is a bit more difficult ( new final coil and tune cap, new RF Chokes etc + crystals ) works well for local net type use. They are a fun radio to work on or to get your first conversion going. Have fun. 73, Charlie, K0NG .. __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
RE: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
Dan: The Whiteface uses 29 MHz 3rd Overtone crystals, cut to the same specs as the original 27 MHz crystals except the frequency. I have manuals etc. if you need a copy. 73, Later, K0NG
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
Hello Bob: Congrats on NIB Whiteface. There are still a lot of them around but not many NIB. I own 3 of them, one looks like it needs some TLC, one I converted to 10 Meters easily, just new crystals and 20 minutes tune-up. As I recall, I put 29.000 and 29.100 in that one. (I scan 29.000 to 29.150 in 10 KHz steps). I think I doubled the power by shorting out the final screen resistor but would have to look at it again. (I did not get 10 Watts out). One Whiteface I converted to cover 160 Meters. This is a bit more difficult ( new final coil and tune cap, new RF Chokes etc + crystals ) works well for local net type use. They are a fun radio to work on or to get your first conversion going. Have fun. 73, Charlie, K0NG ..
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
They are actually 29.* mc crystals. However, the receive crystals is 455 kc lower than the transmit crystals. Rick/K5IZ Thanks Rick!
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
They are actually 29.* mc crystals. However, the receive crystals is 455 kc lower than the transmit crystals. Rick/K5IZ I'm still a little corn-fused..are these actually 29 Mhz crystals, or are they some lower frequency that multiplies up like in standard ham gear? I havva white face as well, and one of my favorite activities is 10 meter AM...I wanna join the fun!!! thanks es 73 de Dan -- WAØJRD ..
RE: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
So are you saying like order 3 sets 29,0 and 29.1 and 29.2 ? If I get these can you help me with the mods??? Thanks Rick... Bob I'm still a little corn-fused..are these actually 29 Mhz crystals, or are they some lower frequency that multiplies up like in standard ham gear? I havva white face as well, and one of my favorite activities is 10 meter AM...I wanna join the fun!!! thanks es 73 de Dan -- WAØJRD ..
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
Actually, the frequencies Rick was referring too are: 29.000, 29.010, and 29.020.
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
I started out with one set for 29.000 until I see how well the band does and how much activity I can scare up. So far, it's been pretty slim, but I have high hopes there will be more to come soon. It's really just a matter of twisting a few coils and one small variable cap. Rick Bob Peters wrote: So are you saying like order 3 sets 29,0 and 29.1 and 29.2 ? If I get these can you help me with the mods??? Thanks Rick... Bob
RE: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
So are you saying like order 3 sets 29,0 and 29.1 and 29.2 ? If I get these can you help me with the mods??? Thanks Rick... Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Brashear Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:47 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE Great find, Bob! Once you get your crystals (I'd suggest 29.000 and 10k steps) just retune for the new frequency and you're home free. N other mods necessary. If you want a little extra pepper on it, strap the power resistor and replace the rectifier with a couple of diodes. Remember, we used to call this "black tube and strap" back when... You can easily get 10 watts of real nice AM out of it. I have a Black Face in the shack ready to go on 29.000. By the way, Petersen is the way to go for the crystals as you stated. Very accurate and very fast service. Have fun and see you on 10 meter AM. Rick/K5IZ Bob Peters wrote: > Ok guys get ready to say crazy but I just purchased a Johnson >Whiteface that is NOS Brand new in the box. It actually is in the >Johnson Box along with all original paperwork including the how to get a >license, and we gripe about Vanity Pay Licensee. Back in 1964 it cost >$8.00 to get a class D call sign. It even has the stick on Call Sign >plate. The mike is still wrapped in plastic. Now what am I going to do >with it...CB Nooo can not bring myself to put an antenna on it and pick >up the mike !!! CONVERT it to 10 meters... YEP will do and need some >help...Xtals no problem from Peterson.. Any one out there that has the >conversion for it??? HELP PLEASE...Also what are the best AM Fqs to put >it on 10 meters??? Are there any mods that any of ya all remember??? > >I am going to get a pix and all the documentation up on my web site >soon. >I know that 10 does open and that there is activity.. Thanks guys and >just call me crazy!!! > >Oh By the way it came with the Johnson Radio checker upper... Dummy >load, Mod Monitor, Field strength, SWR.. Not 100% new but almost. Paid >way too much but this was my 1st CB in the 60's. > >Best 73's > >Bob W1PE > > > __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
Re: [AMRadio] JOHNSON WHITEFACE
Great find, Bob! Once you get your crystals (I'd suggest 29.000 and 10k steps) just retune for the new frequency and you're home free. N other mods necessary. If you want a little extra pepper on it, strap the power resistor and replace the rectifier with a couple of diodes. Remember, we used to call this "black tube and strap" back when... You can easily get 10 watts of real nice AM out of it. I have a Black Face in the shack ready to go on 29.000. By the way, Petersen is the way to go for the crystals as you stated. Very accurate and very fast service. Have fun and see you on 10 meter AM. Rick/K5IZ Bob Peters wrote: Ok guys get ready to say crazy but I just purchased a Johnson Whiteface that is NOS Brand new in the box. It actually is in the Johnson Box along with all original paperwork including the how to get a license, and we gripe about Vanity Pay Licensee. Back in 1964 it cost $8.00 to get a class D call sign. It even has the stick on Call Sign plate. The mike is still wrapped in plastic. Now what am I going to do with it...CB Nooo can not bring myself to put an antenna on it and pick up the mike !!! CONVERT it to 10 meters... YEP will do and need some help...Xtals no problem from Peterson.. Any one out there that has the conversion for it??? HELP PLEASE...Also what are the best AM Fqs to put it on 10 meters??? Are there any mods that any of ya all remember??? I am going to get a pix and all the documentation up on my web site soon. I know that 10 does open and that there is activity.. Thanks guys and just call me crazy!!! Oh By the way it came with the Johnson Radio checker upper... Dummy load, Mod Monitor, Field strength, SWR.. Not 100% new but almost. Paid way too much but this was my 1st CB in the 60's. Best 73's Bob W1PE
