[AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence
-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:45:36 -0500 From: D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I never could figure out why a licence was ever required to work a transmitter into a non-radiating load. Don k4kyv Hi Don and Co, Well, what you have to remember is that after the introduction of radio in the early part of the 20th Century Britain and the US went completely separate ways with control and legislation. In the US, cable and radio companies were private concerns, profit-making. In the UK, all communications by cable and post were under the control of the General Post Office (GPO). When radio came along, the GPO took over the administration of the new medium and issued licences to all services, including amateurs. The whole ethos was of control, and not profit, from the outset, so it's not suprising that the GPO required a licence to allow one to build and test a transmitter, even into a dummy load. Yes, there was a licence required for domestic radio reception; I can't remember when it was revoked but certainly you needed one when I was a kid and also, at one time, a separate one for a car radio! You must remember that there were no large-scale commercial broadcasting in the UK until about the 1970s; as a kid I listened to pop music on Radio Luxembourg on 208 metres, because the BBC stations didn't play pop in any quantity. The spur to change all this came about in the mid 60s, when a bunch of pirate stations sprang up from ships and abandoned anti-aircraft forts off the UK coasts. These stations were a huge success and forced the BBC into launching a modern mass-appeal radio service. There is still a requirement to have a licence for TVs here; if you buy a TV in the local mall, the law requires the seller to inform the authorities of your address. If no TV licence is known at that address under your name, then expect postal harrassment and a visit from the Detector Van! The licence is about $275/year and goes to finance the BBC, even if you only watch non-BBC stations you still must have a licence. Having said all that, from a ham's point of view the situation has got much easier in the 42 years I've been licenced. Things are lot more easy-going and sensible changes to regulations are generally made without too much fuss and hassle. The UK radio spectrum management in now done by an outfit called OFCOM, having passed from the GPO, through the Home Office and The Radiocommunications Agency in my time. Hope this isn't too boring!! Roger/G3VKM -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:59:03 -0400 From: Ed Sieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Cc: Don Chester K4KYV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It's the UK Don. _Everything_ is regulated there. Ed, VA3ES -- Don k4kyv wrote: I never could figure out why a licence was ever required to work a transmitter into a non-radiating load. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 15/04/2008 18:10 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence
Roger Basford wrote: Well, what you have to remember is that after the introduction of radio in the early part of the 20th Century Britain and the US went completely separate ways with control and legislation. Roger, thanks for that not-boring history - I suspect like many I knew parts of it, but it's an interesting contrast. Having never been a part of the pirate radio movement at the time, I really enjoyed listening to the reunion broadcast online last year, where many of the jocks from Radio Caroline and other pirates were back on the air - but over Pirate BBC Essex from offshore near Harwich this time. Even though they didn't have actual AM transmitters on the ships, it was great fun to listen to, wonder if they'll be doing this again? I knew the pirate broadcasters got the BBC to start playing top 40 music, but didn't realize they actually helped to change the way radio services were licensed in the UK. I would also suspect the Detector Van would have more difficulty with the modern receiver technology - is there a problem with TV bootlegging today, or is paying the license fee just part of the culture? 73, Bob W9RAN __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence
Good afternoon Roger and all Your brief comments about licencing and the BBC brought to mind the certification decals I've encountered on three of my early English Crystal Sets. Each of the sets have not only the BBC decals, but the serial numbers are stamped into the wooden cabinets. The sets were truly licensed and registered when purchased. One of the crystal sets had a nice surprise tucked neatly inside. It was a B.B.C.A.A. (British Broadcasting Corporation Assurance Association) Wireless Policy. An insurance policy that provided limited coverage for damages incurred by lightning where an outside Aerial was deployed. This particular policy was never completed by the owner and is intact. No mention of the premium amount was given but it was for a period of six months. Coverage was increased when a W.L.A. (Wavelength Lightning Arrestor) was installed at the same time as the aerial. The address for the BBCAA was 825/826 Salisbury House, London Wall, E.C. 2 A small, but fine book on early British Wireless design is The Cat's Whisker by Jonathan Hill. Some very nice photos and a nice anthology of wireless broadcasting in England. It even has the history of the BBC stations beginning with London (2LO) on 361 metres and continuing through THIRD PROGRAMME on 460 metres in 1946. Thanks, Roger, for sharing your comments..definitely not boring. Best 73 de W4MIL Chuck -Original Message- From: Roger Basford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 4:37 am Subject: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:45:36 -0500 From: D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I never could figure out why a licence was ever required to work a transmitter into a non-radiating load. Don k4kyv Hi Don and Co, Well, what you have to remember is that after the introduction of radio in the early part of the 20th Century Britain and the US went completely separate ways with control and legislation. In the US, cable and radio companies were private concerns, profit-making. In the UK, all communications by cable and post were under the control of the General Post Office (GPO). When radio came along, the GPO took over the administration of the new medium and issued licences to all services, including amateurs. The whole ethos was of control, and not profit, from the outset, so it's not suprising that the GPO required a licence to allow one to build and test a transmitter, even into a dummy load. Yes, there was a licence required for domestic radio reception; I can't remember when it was revoked but certainly you needed one when I was a kid and also, at one time, a separate one for a car radio! You must remember that there were no large-scale commercial broadcasting in the UK until about the 1970s; as a kid I listened to pop music on Radio Luxembourg on 208 metres, because the BBC stations didn't play pop in any quantity. The spur to change all this came about in the mid 60s, when a bunch of pirate stations sprang up from ships and abandoned anti-aircraft forts off the UK coasts. These stations were a huge success and forced the BBC into launching a modern mass-appeal radio service. There is still a requirement to have a licence for TVs here; if you buy a TV in the local mall, the law requires the seller to inform the authorities of your address. If no TV licence is known at that address under your name, then expect postal harrassment and a visit from the Detector Van! The licence is about $275/year and goes to finance the BBC, even if you only watch non-BBC stations you still must have a licence. Having said all that, from a ham's point of view the situation has got much easier in the 42 years I've been licenced. Things are lot more easy-going and sensible changes to regulations are generally made without too much fuss and hassle. The UK radio spectrum management in now done by an outfit called OFCOM, having passed from the GPO, through the Home Office and The Radiocommunications Agency in my time. Hope this isn't too boring!! Roger/G3VKM -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:59:03 -0400 From: Ed Sieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Cc: Don Chester K4KYV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It's the UK Don. _Everything_ is regulated
RE: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence
It's the UK Don. _Everything_ is regulated there. Ed, VA3ES -- Don k4kyv wrote: I never could figure out why a licence was ever required to work a transmitter into a non-radiating load. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence
I never could figure out why a licence was ever required to work a transmitter into a non-radiating load. Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
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Don: If I am not mistaken, the British used to charge a TAX for any license issued, even broadcast reveivers. Anyone know for sure?? Charlie, K0NG __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
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I know they charge for TV receivers, and back years ago, probably paid for radio reception. All this licence talk reminds me of Inspector Clouseau asking the organ grinder to show him his licence for his minkey(monkey):-) Joe W4AAB - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence Don: If I am not mistaken, the British used to charge a TAX for any license issued, even broadcast reveivers. Anyone know for sure?? Charlie, K0NG __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence
That would have been the time to put a car radio inside as the home receiver. IF's were 262.5 kHz(kc in those days):-).Or build a crystal set. Joe W4AAB - Original Message - From: Barrie Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence When I was a young kid in Vancouver, B.C., Canada, in about 1946, I remember the black Ford sedans, with the loop antennas on the roofs, cruising around the neighborhood listening for the 455 kc IFs of unlicensed radio receivers. If you had a license for your address, that was okay. But, if a 455 IF was heard eminating from an address that was not licensed, there would be a knock on your door, and a summons would be written. 73, Barrie, W7ALW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
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W7ALW said: in about 1946, I remember the black Ford sedans, with the loop antennas on the roofs, cruising around the neighborhood listening for the 455 kc IFs of unlicensed radio receivers. I remember reading an article about receiver licenses from many years ago in England. Way back when, they also had big rotating loops on the roof of their cars but they couldn't receive anything. What they did was start these cruises in the hot summer, when all the windows were open, and nobody had air conditioning, and listen for voices or music coming from a house or apartment open window. They would go to the house or apartment and tell the homeowner that they picked up the radio with their equipment and asked to see the receiver license. After a couple of fines, the word was spread that these cars could pick up their radios and everybody rushed down to get their license. 73, Ken W2DTC __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: Artificial Aerial Licence
Barrie: When I was in France, they used to listen for the L.O. Radiation frequency (local bcstn freq- I.F.=L.O.). It is almost always much stronger than any I.F. radiation. 262 KHz IF was quite common. 73, Charlie, K0NG __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
