Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread David Knepper
When will your presence be noticed, old friend.

David Knepper, W3ST-W3CRA

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Subject: [AMRadio] RE: down below


 Good reminder, Don,

 It is good operating practice to establish activity in vacant areas in the
low 3700. Longer term, it's time to be wary of how squatter's rights will be
treated now that Riley Hollingsworth has departed as FCC enforcement
counsel.

 The more we show a regular presence, the less likely we will provoke
others who unreasonably question unusual activity.

 I wish there were more sentiment to move down low on 40 meters as well,
especially with yet another Gulf Coast hurricane threat creating a
circumstance in the 7285-7290Kc area.

 --Paul/VJB






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[AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread VJB
Good reminder, Don,

It is good operating practice to establish activity in vacant areas in the low 
3700. Longer term, it's time to be wary of how squatter's rights will be 
treated now that Riley Hollingsworth has departed as FCC enforcement counsel.

The more we show a regular presence, the less likely we will provoke others who 
unreasonably question unusual activity.

I wish there were more sentiment to move down low on 40 meters as well, 
especially with yet another Gulf Coast hurricane threat creating a circumstance 
in the 7285-7290Kc area.

--Paul/VJB





  
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Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Todd, KA1KAQ
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:36 AM, VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wish there were more sentiment to move down low on 40 meters as well, 
 especially with yet another Gulf Coast hurricane threat creating a 
 circumstance in the 7285-7290Kc area.


Paul, there's been some activity down around 150 on 40m. Worked Ralph
W3GL and another gent there a few weeks back, FB signals. The problem
is getting more folks to remember how to twist the VFO knob or to find
a clear spot and call CQ. If the few 'spark plug' stations aren't on
the air, everyone else seems to just listen and wait.

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Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread tom scott
suggestion

petition arrl tp change the bandplan to change the 7290 calling frewuency to 
something lower, like 7160.


tom in texas
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 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service 
 amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 12:13 PM
 On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:36 AM, VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  I wish there were more sentiment to move down
 low on 40 meters as well, especially with yet another
 Gulf Coast hurricane threat creating a circumstance in the
 7285-7290Kc area.
 
 
 Paul, there's been some activity down around 150 on
 40m. Worked Ralph
 W3GL and another gent there a few weeks back, FB signals.
 The problem
 is getting more folks to remember how to twist the VFO knob
 or to find
 a clear spot and call CQ. If the few 'spark plug'
 stations aren't on
 the air, everyone else seems to just listen and wait.
 
 ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ
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Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Bob Macklin
You want the AM calling frequency in the GENERAL segment! Like 7190!

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa,
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From: tom scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below


 suggestion

 petition arrl tp change the bandplan to change the 7290 calling frewuency
to something lower, like 7160.


 tom in texas
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 www.geocities.com/ad5fd7


 --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 12:13 PM
  On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:36 AM, VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   I wish there were more sentiment to move down
  low on 40 meters as well, especially with yet another
  Gulf Coast hurricane threat creating a circumstance in the
  7285-7290Kc area.
 
 
  Paul, there's been some activity down around 150 on
  40m. Worked Ralph
  W3GL and another gent there a few weeks back, FB signals.
  The problem
  is getting more folks to remember how to twist the VFO knob
  or to find
  a clear spot and call CQ. If the few 'spark plug'
  stations aren't on
  the air, everyone else seems to just listen and wait.
 
  ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ
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Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Todd, KA1KAQ
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Bob Macklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You want the AM calling frequency in the GENERAL segment! Like 7190!

Why? Calling frequencies really don't serve much purpose in my view
beyond leading everyone to one frequency to try to squeeze in. After
all, 3.885 was the AM calling frequency for years, and never once have
I heard anyone call, then move off to leave the frequency clear.

New way of thinking: operate where your license permits, on whatever
clear frequency your privileges allow. It's pointless to box yourself
in, especially in today's radio world. Better to spin the dial and
look for activity or create some, than to let the grease harden in one
spot. Calling frequencies are for those who need to be led.

My opinion, of course.  (o:

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Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Bob Macklin
I have been monitoring the popular 75M AM frequencies for many years. Lately
I don't hear SQUAT in them but I do occasionally hear some 75M SSB around
3740 late evenings. Like 9:30PM PT.

By having a known frequency I can put the good Rx on that frequency and wait
for activity.

I still am not set up to transmit and when I am it will be with the DX-60.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa,
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Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below


 On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Bob Macklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You want the AM calling frequency in the GENERAL segment! Like 7190!

 Why? Calling frequencies really don't serve much purpose in my view
 beyond leading everyone to one frequency to try to squeeze in. After
 all, 3.885 was the AM calling frequency for years, and never once have
 I heard anyone call, then move off to leave the frequency clear.

 New way of thinking: operate where your license permits, on whatever
 clear frequency your privileges allow. It's pointless to box yourself
 in, especially in today's radio world. Better to spin the dial and
 look for activity or create some, than to let the grease harden in one
 spot. Calling frequencies are for those who need to be led.

 My opinion, of course.  (o:

 ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ
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[AMRadio] Re: down below

2008-09-08 Thread VJB
Point of history -- the voluntary groupings on HF by AM Community has led the 
ARRL toward published calling frequencies, not the other way around. So if we 
want a new 40m place we have to establish it ourselves over a prolonged period 
of time.

As such, we are again demonstrating such leadership by joining our Canadian 
friends regularly in the low 3700s.  There has been a recent refreshment to the 
RAC's voluntary band plan for HF, and it was a puzzle that they overlooked 
their own countrymen by not listing 3725Kc as an AM gathering point.

It's been called to their attention, gently, and I'm hopeful the next RAC 
layout will include the listing.  They, and our regular presence along various 
AM gathering points, may encourage the intransigent ARRL to eventually follow 
our lead once again.

--Paul/VJB

 


  
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Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Peter Markavage
Like Todd, I never operate on a supposed calling frequency. I find a
clear spot anywhere my license allows phone operation and call CQ or find
an interesting QSO and break in. Last week I had an AM QSO around 3930
KHz. I love my VFO and exercise it frequently.

Pete, wa2cwa
quality is my priority


On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:35:57 -0400 Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Bob Macklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  You want the AM calling frequency in the GENERAL segment! Like 
 7190!
 
 Why? Calling frequencies really don't serve much purpose in my view
 beyond leading everyone to one frequency to try to squeeze in. 
 After
 all, 3.885 was the AM calling frequency for years, and never once 
 have
 I heard anyone call, then move off to leave the frequency clear.
 
 New way of thinking: operate where your license permits, on 
 whatever
 clear frequency your privileges allow. It's pointless to box 
 yourself
 in, especially in today's radio world. Better to spin the dial and
 look for activity or create some, than to let the grease harden in 
 one
 spot. Calling frequencies are for those who need to be led.
 
 My opinion, of course.  (o:
 
 ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Todd, KA1KAQ
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:18 PM, VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Point of history -- the voluntary groupings on HF by AM Community has led the 
 ARRL toward published calling frequencies, not the other way around. So if 
 we want a new 40m place we have to establish it ourselves over a prolonged 
 period of time.

Al, Tim, Ed and the guys have been using 3725 north of the border for
years. I've caught Donovan on 3720 and elsewhere too. They've used AM
on that end of the band for years.

The whole idea of being known for 'a' frequency strikes me as a good
way to get boxed in again. Even worse for us to do it to ourselves.
I'd much prefer to see references to SSB removed and either 'voice' or
'phone' used instead. Voluntarily segregating ourselves to tiny
slivers of the bands doesn't strike me as a good idea. It's easy
enough to know if it's an AM contact when you spin the dial around.

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Re: [AMRadio] Re: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Peter Markavage
Actually, if I remember it correctly, the ARRL asked the AM community
back a number of years ago, what the typical gathering spots and/or
calling frequencies were on the various bands for AM operation. 
You might want to contact one of these people to provide input to changes
to, at least, the ARRL Band Plan.
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/index.html#contact

Pete, wa2cwa
quality is my priority
 
 
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:18:11 -0700 (PDT) VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Point of history -- the voluntary groupings on HF by AM Community has 
 led the ARRL toward published calling frequencies, not the other 
 way around. So if we want a new 40m place we have to establish it 
 ourselves over a prolonged period of time.
 
 As such, we are again demonstrating such leadership by joining our 
 Canadian friends regularly in the low 3700s.  There has been a 
 recent refreshment to the RAC's voluntary band plan for HF, and it 
 was a puzzle that they overlooked their own countrymen by not 
 listing 3725Kc as an AM gathering point.
 
 It's been called to their attention, gently, and I'm hopeful the 
 next RAC layout will include the listing.  They, and our regular 
 presence along various AM gathering points, may encourage the 
 intransigent ARRL to eventually follow our lead once again.
 
 --Paul/VJB
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: down below

2008-09-08 Thread VJB
I totally concur.

We have repeatedly gone back and forth on this, where people who are creatures 
of habit wish to have a stable, reassuring place to go, and prefer to have 
someone or some group specify where that is.

I **do** agree with the value of established zones for AM activity, but I also 
encourage a balanced willingness to MOVE elsewhere when there's a clear spot on 
the dial.

We should be unfettered at having the complete use of phone privileges matched 
to our license class.

The resurgence of AM enthusiasm the past 15 years has really caused chronic 
congestion in the so-called AM Windows, a point Don, yourself, and many 
others have made.

We can have both, you know: a known place to hang, and additional places as 
conditions warrant.

Here's a thought --- contesters have said their complete consumption of certain 
bands is situational, not full-time, and that bystanders who don't wish to 
participate should just find another spot. Is there something in there for us 
to adopt?


--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The whole idea of being known for 'a' frequency
 strikes me as a good
 way to get boxed in again. 


  
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RE: [AMRadio] RE: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Bob Peters
You know what guys Don't wait for activity before you call CALL anyway.. A
couple CQ's does not cost anything... Lots of evenings I sit here and no one
on... I yell a CQ and 2 or 3 stations come back. Here in North Texas Lum
K5AYD and Ken KA5RHK are normally always around on 3.880 at night as well as
Chad and Dudley and a lot of times old W5JO... Open the mouth and you may
get a surprise...

Bob W1PE

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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:01 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below

I have been monitoring the popular 75M AM frequencies for many years. Lately
I don't hear SQUAT in them but I do occasionally hear some 75M SSB around
3740 late evenings. Like 9:30PM PT.

By having a known frequency I can put the good Rx on that frequency and wait
for activity.

I still am not set up to transmit and when I am it will be with the DX-60.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa,
Real Radios Glow in the Dark
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Subject: Re: [AMRadio] RE: down below


 On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Bob Macklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You want the AM calling frequency in the GENERAL segment! Like 7190!

 Why? Calling frequencies really don't serve much purpose in my view
 beyond leading everyone to one frequency to try to squeeze in. After
 all, 3.885 was the AM calling frequency for years, and never once have
 I heard anyone call, then move off to leave the frequency clear.

 New way of thinking: operate where your license permits, on whatever
 clear frequency your privileges allow. It's pointless to box yourself
 in, especially in today's radio world. Better to spin the dial and
 look for activity or create some, than to let the grease harden in one
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 My opinion, of course.  (o:

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Re: [AMRadio] Re: down below

2008-09-08 Thread Mack Rogers
Hm, Paul is getting mellow. Only referring to the ARRL as intransigent!? 
LOL

Mack Rogers
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--- On Mon, 9/8/08, VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [AMRadio] Re: down below
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:18 PM
 Point of history -- the voluntary groupings on HF by AM
 Community has led the ARRL toward published calling
 frequencies, not the other way around. So if we want a
 new 40m place we have to establish it ourselves over a
 prolonged period of time.
 
 As such, we are again demonstrating such leadership by
 joining our Canadian friends regularly in the low 3700s. 
 There has been a recent refreshment to the RAC's
 voluntary band plan for HF, and it was a puzzle that they
 overlooked their own countrymen by not listing 3725Kc as an
 AM gathering point.
 
 It's been called to their attention, gently, and
 I'm hopeful the next RAC layout will include the
 listing.  They, and our regular presence along various AM
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 eventually follow our lead once again.
 
 --Paul/VJB
 
  
 
 
   
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