Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
From: "david knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jim, I would highly recommend going to a lumber yard (Home Depot) and buy a sheet of styrofoam insulation board. Cut and form around the unit to be shipped. Or wrap the unit in several layers of plastic wrap, then use aeorsol spray foam caulking like "Great Stuff" as packing material. You need to be familiar with how it expands so that you get the foam to just barely fill the box after it expands. It is somewhat of a pain to remove the item from the foam at the receiving end, but a very secure method of packing. Just be sure the equipment is well wrapped so that the liquid foam doesn't contact the item being shipped, since that could do severe damage. I would recommend buying an extra can and practising first with a spare cardboard box and some useless junk to get the hang of it. I have received a couple of items thru UPS that were packed using this method, and there was no damage. The foam absorbs the shock while making it impossible for the contents to shift around inside the box. First, spray foam into the bottom of the box, allow it to expand for a few minutes, then set the wrapped item on the foam, fill in the sides, and finally the top. One word of caution - the liquid foam can be extremely messy, so do the packing in an appropriate area. Don k4kyv
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
If you have the item well packed, UPS will pay the claim, but you are going to have to go to the trouble of taking them to small claims court to get your money. You will never have to go into the courtroom. When they get the registered letter saying that you have filed suit, you will get a check 99% of the time. They will try to wear you out and that is where they win. As quick as you get their letter that denies the claim, file your suit. Don't waste your time corresponding back and forth with them. All you will get in return is heartburn. Better yet, don't use UPS! It is always a good idea to take digital photos to document your packing. Save the pix to a floppy or your hard drive until the shipment is received in good shape. 73, John, W4AWM
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
Brett gazdzinski wrote: I have sold a lot of stuff and shipped it without problems lately. I pack it in a bag (anti static) then in a box padded to survive shipping, then put that box in another padded box, and use FedEx mostly. Some report the outer box being in rough shape, the inner box ok. Bubble wrap, foam, peanuts, it all works if there is enough of it. Speaking of peanuts... You didn't tell me that 50Hy choke was a Peter Dahl choke peanuts inside the inner box, too -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
Jim Wilhite wrote: Great idea Dave if someone near you can do it. In rural Oklahoma, wood chips is the only thing available except bubble wrap from Wal-Mart. Not to make fun of rural Oklahoma, but it is a funny, strange place. This applies to you too, Jim... it seems to me that the 'normal' mode of operators in Oklahoma comes from those who are transplanted there. The natives have funny, strange ways of operating. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
I have done what you guys suggest here and it can work properly if packed properly. But my problem is that it is a 60 mile round trip from my house to either a HD or Lowe's. So I improvise as best possible. I have a computer store here and for heavy stuff such as complete transmitters and receivers I beg the computer monitor boxes. The ones for the 21 inch are best. Then liberal amounts of bubble wrap, also available locally, then tape each seam and you have it made. The problem that can occur but hasn't is if you ship in a used box, that is grounds for any carrier denying a claim. Cardboard deterioates over time and handling. If a box has a ding in it then something new happens, you loose on a claim. I read the UPS silte one time about packing for yourself. On the page directing you how to pack it explained it all including what type of material for the contents. Then on another page devoted to claims it pretty much ruled out paying if you packed the way the first page described. Talk about both sides of the mouth. Years ago I had problems with UPS and switched my commercial account to FedEx when they were first starting. I have never had a damaged box or contents with them. However, where I live now, they will not pick up at my door, even for ground. DHL has, in the past couple of years, has began to invade the territory and will pick up here. The pick up charge is 3 dollars and they are a bit slower than either FedEx or UPS, but the boxes arrive in good condition. The unknown for lighter packages is the US Post Office. They don't charge for door pick up and require less documentation for claims. They have never denied a claim I made, and I have only had two in over 5 years of the many packages I have sent by them. Circumstances dictate what I do, unfortunately. 73 Jim W5JO Dave, W3ST said, Jim, I would highly recommend going to a lumber yard (Home Depot) and buy a sheet of styrofoam insulation board. Cut and form around the unit to be shipped. Thanks Dave and All, I strongly recommend exactly that. Depending on the location, white styrofoam 8X4 ft sheets from 1/2 to 1 inch or more are available reasonably cheap. The Hi R pink dense type is real good but more costly. I use both all the time along with double wall cartons or double boxing. It is all in the laws of Inertia. Isaac Newton I believe. Bill
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
> > I wonder if anyone has shipped a KWS-1 or 32V transmitter or Viking 500 > using our methods! Talk to Howard Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] He shipe and receives heavy stuff all the time. 73, John, W4AWM
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I agree so for additional "insurance" I would use bubble wrap around the unit and then stiffen the box with the thick styrofoam. I wonder if anyone has shipped a KWS-1 or 32V transmitter or Viking 500 using our methods! The best solution to all of this is to meet someone halfway, if possible. All my best. Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3805 Khz every Monday at 8 PM EST and 14255 every Saturday at 12 Noon EST - Original Message - From: "W1EOF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 THe problem with that Dave is that it does not cushion the electronics the same way a nice thick layer of bubble wrap does. I have used it on the outer layer and it works great there. But I would not want a piece of my electronic gear bouncing it's way from you to me with no cushioning other than that hard sytrofoam board. Case closed for me! 73, Mark W1EOF -Original Message- From: david knepper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:57 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 Jim, I would highly recommend going to a lumber yard (Home Depot) and buy a sheet of styrofoam insulation board. Cut and form around the unit to be shipped. Thanks Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3805 Khz every Monday at 8 PM EST and 14255 every Saturday at 12 Noon EST - Original Message - From: "Jim Wilhite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 > Great idea Dave if someone near you can do it. In rural Oklahoma, wood > chips is the only thing available except bubble wrap from Wal-Mart. > > Not to make fun of rural Oklahoma, but it is a funny, strange place. > > 73 Jim > W5JO > > > > >> If you haven't noticed, then, see how most if not all electronic >> equipment is packed - with preformed or molded styrofoam not bubble >> wrap or peanuts. Case closed! >> >> >> Dave, W3ST > > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb > __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
I said. I strongly recommend exactly that. Depending on the location, white styrofoam 8X4 ft sheets from 1/2 to 1 inch or more are available reasonably cheap. The Hi R pink dense type is real good but more costly. I use both all the time along with double wall cartons or double boxing. It is all in the laws of Inertia. Isaac Newton I believe. > To clarify, The material above is meant to reinforce the container. The unit itself must still be wrapped and sealed as others have outlined. The foamboard absorbs impact and puts a distance between the item and the outside world. Due to extra (oversize) costs my packing is tight and compact while still alowing for impact . Peanuts have little if any recovery from compression. Besides the mess they make. Bill KB3DKS Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
Dave, W3ST said, Jim, I would highly recommend going to a lumber yard (Home Depot) and buy a sheet of styrofoam insulation board. Cut and form around the unit to be shipped. Thanks Dave and All, I strongly recommend exactly that. Depending on the location, white styrofoam 8X4 ft sheets from 1/2 to 1 inch or more are available reasonably cheap. The Hi R pink dense type is real good but more costly. I use both all the time along with double wall cartons or double boxing. It is all in the laws of Inertia. Isaac Newton I believe. Bill Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
RE: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
I agre Brett. You use the same methodology as I do. The outer box can be banged to death but the inner box, and the cushioned gear on the inside stays in once piece. 73, Mark W1EOF > -Original Message- > From: Brett gazdzinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of AM Radio' > Subject: RE: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 > > > I have sold a lot of stuff and shipped it without problems lately. > > I pack it in a bag (anti static) then in a box padded to survive > shipping, then put that box in another padded box, and use FedEx > mostly. > > Some report the outer box being in rough shape, the inner box > ok. > > Bubble wrap, foam, peanuts, it all works if there is enough of it. > > Brett > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Wilhite > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:29 PM > > To: Discussion of AM Radio > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 > > > > Great idea Dave if someone near you can do it. In rural > > Oklahoma, wood > > chips is the only thing available except bubble wrap from Wal-Mart. > > > > Not to make fun of rural Oklahoma, but it is a funny, strange place. > > > > 73 Jim > > W5JO > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't noticed, then, see how most if not all > > electronic equipment > > > is packed - with preformed or molded styrofoam not bubble wrap or > > > peanuts. Case closed! > > > > > > > > > Dave, W3ST > > > > > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb > > > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb > >
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THe problem with that Dave is that it does not cushion the electronics the same way a nice thick layer of bubble wrap does. I have used it on the outer layer and it works great there. But I would not want a piece of my electronic gear bouncing it's way from you to me with no cushioning other than that hard sytrofoam board. Case closed for me! 73, Mark W1EOF > -Original Message- > From: david knepper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:57 PM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 > > > Jim, I would highly recommend going to a lumber yard (Home Depot) > and buy a > sheet of styrofoam insulation board. Cut and form around the unit to be > shipped. > > Thanks > > Dave, W3ST > Publisher of the Collins Journal > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website > Now with PayPal > CRA Nets: 3805 Khz every Monday at 8 PM EST > and 14255 every Saturday at 12 Noon EST > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Wilhite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Discussion of AM Radio" > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 > > > > Great idea Dave if someone near you can do it. In rural Oklahoma, wood > > chips is the only thing available except bubble wrap from Wal-Mart. > > > > Not to make fun of rural Oklahoma, but it is a funny, strange place. > > > > 73 Jim > > W5JO > > > > > > > > > >> If you haven't noticed, then, see how most if not all electronic > >> equipment is packed - with preformed or molded styrofoam not bubble > >> wrap or peanuts. Case closed! > >> > >> > >> Dave, W3ST > > > > > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb > > > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb > >
RE: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
I have sold a lot of stuff and shipped it without problems lately. I pack it in a bag (anti static) then in a box padded to survive shipping, then put that box in another padded box, and use FedEx mostly. Some report the outer box being in rough shape, the inner box ok. Bubble wrap, foam, peanuts, it all works if there is enough of it. Brett > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Wilhite > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:29 PM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 > > Great idea Dave if someone near you can do it. In rural > Oklahoma, wood > chips is the only thing available except bubble wrap from Wal-Mart. > > Not to make fun of rural Oklahoma, but it is a funny, strange place. > > 73 Jim > W5JO > > > > > > If you haven't noticed, then, see how most if not all > electronic equipment > > is packed - with preformed or molded styrofoam not bubble wrap or > > peanuts. Case closed! > > > > > > Dave, W3ST > > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb >
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
Jim, I would highly recommend going to a lumber yard (Home Depot) and buy a sheet of styrofoam insulation board. Cut and form around the unit to be shipped. Thanks Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3805 Khz every Monday at 8 PM EST and 14255 every Saturday at 12 Noon EST - Original Message - From: "Jim Wilhite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 Great idea Dave if someone near you can do it. In rural Oklahoma, wood chips is the only thing available except bubble wrap from Wal-Mart. Not to make fun of rural Oklahoma, but it is a funny, strange place. 73 Jim W5JO If you haven't noticed, then, see how most if not all electronic equipment is packed - with preformed or molded styrofoam not bubble wrap or peanuts. Case closed! Dave, W3ST __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
Great idea Dave if someone near you can do it. In rural Oklahoma, wood chips is the only thing available except bubble wrap from Wal-Mart. Not to make fun of rural Oklahoma, but it is a funny, strange place. 73 Jim W5JO If you haven't noticed, then, see how most if not all electronic equipment is packed - with preformed or molded styrofoam not bubble wrap or peanuts. Case closed! Dave, W3ST
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If you haven't noticed, then, see how most if not all electronic equipment is packed - with preformed or molded styrofoam not bubble wrap or peanuts. Case closed! Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3805 Khz every Monday at 8 PM EST and 14255 every Saturday at 12 Noon EST - Original Message - From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 ...my nickel's worth... I've had real good success using good bubble wrap in a Styrofoam lined double wall corrugated box. I usually use FedEx and so far no problems. Of course, that's with me doing the packing. If there are heavy transformers, etc. consider removing them and packing separately if at all possible. It doesn't matter how well you pack it if they drop it off the dock transformers will be a problem if in place. Good luck! Rick/K5IZ __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
You. Ed On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:48:00 -0400 "I COLLECT TRAINS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > who would you recommend do the packing? > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 > > > > If it is boxed by a UPS store, I wouldn't give you two cents for > its > chances > > of safe arrival. Those folks have no idea how to properly pack > communications > > equipment and I would call it amateur, not professional packing! > If it > arrives > > unscathed, consider yourself very lucky, especially if it is > heavy. > > > > 73, > > > > John, W4AWM > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb > >
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...my nickel's worth... I've had real good success using good bubble wrap in a Styrofoam lined double wall corrugated box. I usually use FedEx and so far no problems. Of course, that's with me doing the packing. If there are heavy transformers, etc. consider removing them and packing separately if at all possible. It doesn't matter how well you pack it if they drop it off the dock transformers will be a problem if in place. Good luck! Rick/K5IZ
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
Do it yourself, using bubble wrap that can be bought anywhere even Wal-Mart. Be sure there is 2" of bubble wrap between the piece and the box. When you insert it into the box, stuff more around it so it doesn't move. Use a heavy duty box such as the type that computer monitors are shipped in, not the thing stuff. Also ship either DHL (my personal favorite) or FedEx. Stay away from UPS stores, they don't know how and don't use the thicker box. 73 Jim W5JO who would you recommend do the packing? If it is boxed by a UPS store, I wouldn't give you two cents for its chances of safe arrival. Those folks have no idea how to properly pack communications equipment and I would call it amateur, not professional packing! If it arrives unscathed, consider yourself very lucky, especially if it is heavy. 73, John, W4AWM
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There are two ways to do it. The first would be to do it yourself or at least be present when it is packed in order to insure that it is done correctly. NO PEANUTS PERIOD! The second would be to deliver it or have it picked up and packed by an outfit with experience is packing electronics and have it done correctly. My personal preference, if it is anywhere within reasonable driving range, (yes, I know gas is expensive) is to pick it up personally. I have recently picked up equipment in OH, CT, NJ, PA and WV and have delivered to many places also. In any event, I wouldn't use UPS to carry a drinking glass, much less anything else of value. If it gets broken, they will claim improper packing regardless of who packed it and then you are in for a hassle trying to collect. If it is something that can't be replaced or repaired, money will not make yo whole!. 73, John, W4AWM
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who would you recommend do the packing? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1 > If it is boxed by a UPS store, I wouldn't give you two cents for its chances > of safe arrival. Those folks have no idea how to properly pack communications > equipment and I would call it amateur, not professional packing! If it arrives > unscathed, consider yourself very lucky, especially if it is heavy. > > 73, > > John, W4AWM > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
Re: [AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
If it is boxed by a UPS store, I wouldn't give you two cents for its chances of safe arrival. Those folks have no idea how to properly pack communications equipment and I would call it amateur, not professional packing! If it arrives unscathed, consider yourself very lucky, especially if it is heavy. 73, John, W4AWM
[AMRadio] fs: Delta ASM-1
Hi all, $1000.00 Shipped Con-US via UPS Ground Insured and professionally boxed by UPS Store. It's in full operating condition and has come out of service less than a month ago from a 1160khz station in lehighton, pa I have seen it personally when i was there with their CE who is a friend of mine. Don't pass this up, get a $7000.00 peice of equipment for $1k can't beat that even if recalibration is needed which i would say it probably doesn't need. although this is a stereo monitor it works with mono tranny's and will simultaniously monitor negative and positive peaks on mono systems. I should have it here this week and will supply pic's any interested buyers :) Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis
