Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Thanks for the help, Vince. Keep that gray matter churing and let me know if you come up with anything. Rick/K5IZ Vince Werber wrote: Well to be honest I wasn't the one that came up with the window idea... although I do have an eight foot wide 5 foot tall one in the dining room... The last rig I got up to the second story of this place was a Motorola Sensicon that has two 100TH in the final... a seven foot high and 2 1/2 foot wide deal... __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Well to be honest I wasn't the one that came up with the window idea... although I do have an eight foot wide 5 foot tall one in the dining room... The last rig I got up to the second story of this place was a Motorola Sensicon that has two 100TH in the final... a seven foot high and 2 1/2 foot wide deal... Not anywheres as big as the unit you are speaking of I am sure but still a project... I have no idea how heavy it is. I personally would go with the door removal... but that's just me. Have you considered the possibility of using some sort of 'rolls' to make the moving easier? In the past I have used three inch in diameter thick walled piping for these sort of things... Also... will the building that you will be putting this beauty in handle the height? With old houses that wouldn't be a problem but many of the newer ones the height might be problematic... With a single story house modifications to the structure can be much easier than a two story building... I'll think on it a bit... perhaps my crusty old brain will find a cell or two that might still be firing Over the years I've been in on so many different moving projects... the worst was a commercial wood furnice (solid cast iron) that we had to raise 9 feet into the air to remove it from the building it was in so we could move the thing to its new home... There were only three of us working on that project... and I was much younger Keep me in the loop on this one... 73 vince ka1iic On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:08, Rick Brashear wrote: > Vince, > > Thanks for your suggestion of moving the transmitter into the shack > through a window. However, the RCA BTA-1R2 is not in modules. It is a > 7' tall 32" wide (at the most narrow point), 1500 pound commercial > broadcast transmitter. The modulation and power supply transformers and > chokes are sitting in the bottom of the cabinet and can easily be > removed. However, you're still looking at several hundred pounds > cabinet and other components. It might be possible to get it through a > window, however, the window would have to be taken completely out, so it > would likely require as much if not more work than to take the door > casing out. > > Thanks, > Rick/K5IZ > > Vince Werber wrote: > >Forgive me if I made things worse but seriously here is what I might > > try... > > > >First off the mod deck and power supply decks will have the most weight... > > I would pull them out (it is rack mounted I hope...) > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
RE: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
My big ol' RCA BTA1R3 lives in my garage. Way to big to even fit in my basement. My BTA1S, however fits nicely down there. Ed, VA3ES __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Thanks Bob... that is some mighty good advice. I'm no spring chicken and have a bad back, so it might be well worth the money. Rick Robert Nickels wrote: Hi Rick, Sounds like a challenging project - but worth the effort. I'm afflicted with "heavy metal fever" that's not limited to just radios, and there are some interesting stories on the web of how home machinists have moved things like milling machines and lathes into basement workshops, a process that generally requires at least partial disassembly and careful planning. Whether it's a 2400 pound Bridgeport or a 1500 pound RCA, both are beyond the capabilities of most amateurs, and my suggestion is to consider hiring a professional. A piano mover may be willing to help you out, otherwise look for a professional machine rigger who has the equipment and know-how to do the job safely. I always figure "I can do anything" myself, but when it comes to moving really heavy stuff, I've learned it's worth the cost and peace-of-mind to hire a pro. 73, Bob W9RAN __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Rick Brashear wrote: However, the RCA BTA-1R2 is not in modules. It is a 7' tall 32" wide (at the most narrow point), 1500 pound commercial broadcast transmitter. Hi Rick, Sounds like a challenging project - but worth the effort. I'm afflicted with "heavy metal fever" that's not limited to just radios, and there are some interesting stories on the web of how home machinists have moved things like milling machines and lathes into basement workshops, a process that generally requires at least partial disassembly and careful planning. Whether it's a 2400 pound Bridgeport or a 1500 pound RCA, both are beyond the capabilities of most amateurs, and my suggestion is to consider hiring a professional. A piano mover may be willing to help you out, otherwise look for a professional machine rigger who has the equipment and know-how to do the job safely. I always figure "I can do anything" myself, but when it comes to moving really heavy stuff, I've learned it's worth the cost and peace-of-mind to hire a pro. 73, Bob W9RAN __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
On 12/2/06, Rick Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Vince, Thanks for your suggestion of moving the transmitter into the shack through a window. However, the RCA BTA-1R2 is not in modules. I was gonna say the same thing, Rick, but decided I had said enough on the subject ;-) -- Operating your AM rig without a scope is like driving our car at night without headlights.(~K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards -Geoff/W5OMR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Vince, Thanks for your suggestion of moving the transmitter into the shack through a window. However, the RCA BTA-1R2 is not in modules. It is a 7' tall 32" wide (at the most narrow point), 1500 pound commercial broadcast transmitter. The modulation and power supply transformers and chokes are sitting in the bottom of the cabinet and can easily be removed. However, you're still looking at several hundred pounds cabinet and other components. It might be possible to get it through a window, however, the window would have to be taken completely out, so it would likely require as much if not more work than to take the door casing out. Thanks, Rick/K5IZ Vince Werber wrote: Forgive me if I made things worse but seriously here is what I might try... First off the mod deck and power supply decks will have the most weight... I would pull them out (it is rack mounted I hope...) __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting <<< oh yeah... I forgot...
A useful tool... a 'come-a-long' helps an awful lot when you are short of man power... and have more pieces of carpet to save the finish of the enclosure... 73 vince ka1iic On Thursday 30 November 2006 23:42, Vince Werber wrote: > Forgive me if I made things worse but seriously here is what I might try... > > First off the mod deck and power supply decks will have the most weight... > I would pull them out (it is rack mounted I hope...) first and move them as > separate units... that will reduce the weight problem quite a bit... <<>> __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Forgive me if I made things worse but seriously here is what I might try... First off the mod deck and power supply decks will have the most weight... I would pull them out (it is rack mounted I hope...) first and move them as separate units... that will reduce the weight problem quite a bit... As for the rack enclosure... I don't remember how wide you said it was but use some very strong ply wood to form a bridge from ground level or truck level to your house opening... before putting the enclosure on its side have ready some strips of old carpeting lay it down on the plywood with the fuzzy side down and the rubber backing up so it will go against the enclosure... this will help with pushing the thing around... less friction... When you get the enclosure into your house remember that this enclosure must have rear doors as well as front doors so don't plan on pushing it up against a wall... you will need the space of the width of the rear doors plus a little extra so you can get into the back of it to work on it if needed... and if you push it flush against the wall you will need to get into those doors... been there done that... Make absolutely sure your floor stringers can handle the extra weight... if not you will need to build up some extra support before the rig 'settles in' so to speak... I'm sure I have forgot something but if you have questions you may do it on list or direct... I have moved a few 'really big rigs' in years past... 73 vince ka1iic On Friday 01 December 2006 22:40, John Lawson wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > duh ...consider using a window. Sometimes the window opening > > is wider than the door opening. klc __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh ...consider using a window. Sometimes the window opening is wider than the door opening. klc Duh: YOU get a 7' long, 3' on a side, 1,200 pound steel box up three or four feet in the air, supported on both ends, and then *move* it, SAFELY, into the house, (through the 'duh' window) whereupon you still have to *stand it back up* - and if you dont' have 9-foot ceilings, *that* ain't gonna happen, either... Some of you 'hams' on this list are mighty quick with your snide little cuts and jabs - I'm wondering if you're this impolite, crass, and abrasive in person?? Must make your dentist happy... Cheers John KB6SCO Loaded, moved, unloaded, installed my share of Big Iron __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
A piece of thick Plexiglas, Lexan, or similar material will work. Just set the window down on top of it.Drill holes for coax fittings, and you will be set. Joe W4AAB (brings his coax up through the floor ) - Original Message - From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting > Actually, I had not thought of that. I'll take a look tomorrow and see > if that is feasible. > > Thanks, > Rick > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Have any cionsidered using the /a window??? sometimes the'll fit in > >that way klc > > > > > > > > > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Actually, I had not thought of that. I'll take a look tomorrow and see if that is feasible. Thanks, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any cionsidered using the /a window??? sometimes the'll fit in that way klc __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
On 12/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: duh ...consider using a window. Sometimes the window opening is wider than the door opening. klc Duh? You should be a little clearer in your typing. using -a- window is different from using one of those '/a' windows (whatever they are) At least that's the way it came across. Why does everyone feel they have to be so damned condesending? y'all been in the egg nog early? Or, not had enough? The whole list, it seems, could use a valium! -- Operating your AM rig without a scope is like driving our car at night without headlights.(~K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards -Geoff/W5OMR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
duh ...consider using a window. Sometimes the window opening is wider than the door opening. klc - Original Message - From: Geoff Edmonson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 1, 2006 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > On 12/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have any cionsidered using the /a window??? sometimes the'll > fit in > > that way klc > > what's a(n) /a window? > > -- > Operating your AM rig without a scope > is like driving our car at night without headlights.(~K4KYV) > > 73 = Best Regards > -Geoff/W5OMR > __ > AMRadio mailing list > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
On 12/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Have any cionsidered using the /a window??? sometimes the'll fit in that way klc what's a(n) /a window? -- Operating your AM rig without a scope is like driving our car at night without headlights.(~K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards -Geoff/W5OMR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Have any cionsidered using the /a window??? sometimes the'll fit in that way klc - Original Message - From: Vince Werber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 1, 2006 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > I guess I lucked out... this incredibly old house I live in have > French > doors... double doors... three feet wide times two!... I didn't > have any > problem getting the box grand piano in... > > Of course I was thinking boatanchors when I saw those doors... > the XYL > saw them totally different... > > > 73 > vince > ka1iic > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Brashear wrote: > > > >> to impossible to work on it there. So, I am going to have to > remove at > >> least one door casing (yes, I said casing) to get it inside. I > live in an > >> older > > > > > > For why else you think God made Sawzalls? > > > > put a 15" demo blade in that sucker and get to rippin' !!! > > > > > > Then, you can get a pre-fab 36" door set complete with > casement, jambs, > > hardware and shims some moulding and a little paint > > > > > > Cheers > > > > John KB6SCO > > > > Who's BigBox is going in the garage with the rest of the Gear... > > > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
I guess I lucked out... this incredibly old house I live in have French doors... double doors... three feet wide times two!... I didn't have any problem getting the box grand piano in... Of course I was thinking boatanchors when I saw those doors... the XYL saw them totally different... 73 vince ka1iic [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Brashear wrote: to impossible to work on it there. So, I am going to have to remove at least one door casing (yes, I said casing) to get it inside. I live in an older For why else you think God made Sawzalls? put a 15" demo blade in that sucker and get to rippin' !!! Then, you can get a pre-fab 36" door set complete with casement, jambs, hardware and shims some moulding and a little paint Cheers John KB6SCO Who's BigBox is going in the garage with the rest of the Gear... __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting
Thankfully, I live alone and may do just that. Come to think of it, maybe that's WHY I live alone! :-) Rick John Lawson wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Brashear wrote: to impossible to work on it there. So, I am going to have to remove at least one door casing (yes, I said casing) to get it inside. I live in an older For why else you think God made Sawzalls? put a 15" demo blade in that sucker and get to rippin' !!! Then, you can get a pre-fab 36" door set complete with casement, jambs, hardware and shims some moulding and a little paint Cheers John KB6SCO Who's BigBox is going in the garage with the rest of the Gear... __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
