[amsat-bb] Re: Enterprise launch

2011-04-29 Thread Robert McGwier
Thanks for the MANY reminders.  ;-).  It is endeavor.  I only wish we were
launching an FTL capable enterprise!

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Robert McGwier wrote:

> SCRUBBED for Friday
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[amsat-bb] Re: XF2P EM11??

2011-04-29 Thread David Maciel

The information is false, the operation was canceled and can not activate 
XF2P,
now the team is working from Riachuelo,Veracruz, operating several HF and 
satellite
with their personal calls. XF2P will not air, if something is in cluster is 
a pirate.


Dave
XE3DX



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Subject: [amsat-bb] XF2P EM11??

The DX Cluster has a spot for XF2P saying that
the operation was cancelled due to bad weather.
Can anyone provide any information about this?

73,
John K8YSE

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[amsat-bb] Re: XF2P EM11??

2011-04-29 Thread Rafael Valdez G.
The operation was cancelled, however be aware that XE1AY will be conducting 
satellite operations from rare grids nearby.

73 de XE2RV @ DM41mh





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From: John Papay 
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 01:01:56 
To: 
Subject: [amsat-bb]  XF2P EM11??

The DX Cluster has a spot for XF2P saying that
the operation was cancelled due to bad weather.
Can anyone provide any information about this?

73,
John K8YSE

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[amsat-bb] Re: XF2P EM11??

2011-04-29 Thread Dave Webb KB1PVH
John,

This was on their QRZ page.

Today we have received the information from Harbor Master officer, that all
navigation is closed, by bad weather, in Tuxpan, and inclusive in Tamiahua,
Veracruz. We are very sorry about that. But, all the team, will be operating
from Riachuelos Veracruz, Everyone will going to use his home call. Weather
has his own rules. weather never knows. Team's Members

Dave - KB1PVH

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On Apr 29, 2011 10:06 PM, "John Papay"  wrote:
> The DX Cluster has a spot for XF2P saying that
> the operation was cancelled due to bad weather.
> Can anyone provide any information about this?
>
> 73,
> John K8YSE
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[amsat-bb] XF2P EM11??

2011-04-29 Thread John Papay
The DX Cluster has a spot for XF2P saying that
the operation was cancelled due to bad weather.
Can anyone provide any information about this?

73,
John K8YSE

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[amsat-bb] Re: New Sat Operators

2011-04-29 Thread John Geiger
AO27 was nice this afternoon also.  A couple of Mexician stations on (one in 
EL10) and a few US stations, but no overcrowding.

73s John AA5JG

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To: 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 8:52 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New Sat Operators


> I'm often on the early morning passes of SO-50 and there are many times 
> that
> I call CQ for the entire pass and don't hear any other stations. Not ALL 
> of
> them are crowded ALL of the time. We shouldn't try to discourage
> newcomers...someday they might join AMSAT and donate money for P3E!
>
> Chuck, KM9U
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Clint Bradford" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 15:54
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New Sat Operators
>
>
 ... gud luck FM birds are very over crowded. SSB birds would be alot
 better I hope you told them what to expect ...
>>
>> I live in the most populous region of the U.S.' most populous state, and
>> have never had a problem demo'ing in front of audiences.
>>
>> Of course it is busy on the "prime time" passes. That's why they exist -
>> for us to use them.
>>
>> I hope your comment was just tongue-in-cheek ... (grin)
>>
>> Clint, K6LCS
>> http://www.work-sat.com
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[amsat-bb] Re: New Sat Operators

2011-04-29 Thread KM9U
I'm often on the early morning passes of SO-50 and there are many times that 
I call CQ for the entire pass and don't hear any other stations. Not ALL of 
them are crowded ALL of the time. We shouldn't try to discourage 
newcomers...someday they might join AMSAT and donate money for P3E!

Chuck, KM9U

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To: 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 15:54
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New Sat Operators


>>> ... gud luck FM birds are very over crowded. SSB birds would be alot 
>>> better I hope you told them what to expect ...
>
> I live in the most populous region of the U.S.' most populous state, and 
> have never had a problem demo'ing in front of audiences.
>
> Of course it is busy on the "prime time" passes. That's why they exist - 
> for us to use them.
>
> I hope your comment was just tongue-in-cheek ... (grin)
>
> Clint, K6LCS
> http://www.work-sat.com
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[amsat-bb] Atrix or Iphone4

2011-04-29 Thread Floyd Rodgers
OK, time to upgrade is finally here. What's the best choice for 3rd 
party apps on these with a focus on ham stuff?
I do sats and wx mainly
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[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-29 Thread Gregg Wonderly
On 4/29/2011 3:23 AM, don wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> Sorry to say this, but your analogy to "just another component" is 
> plain wrong. The vocoder cannot be replaced by another generic component as 
> far as I can ascertain. I cant' even find the algorithms that would allow me 
> to program a DSPIC or fpga at home in my meager lab to perform any of the 
> functions in the codec.

I am not suggesting that you create your own version of that codec Don.  I am 
suggesting that you can put this codec into a design to make it work with 
D-Star 
now.  Later, if another codec becomes popular, if you've done the design right, 
you could plug in another codec that would change the form of the coded data 
and 
recognize that form for decoding and presto, you swap in the new codec and you 
don't have to worry about being dependent on D-Star.  In a sense, this is 
exactly the thing that the FM-USB-LSB-Digital knob does on your existing 
multi-mode rig.

You just have to think about D-Star as a mode, and not as a "rig" or a 
"standard" and move on to experimenting with what you can master instead of 
only 
what you can "make".

Gregg Wonderly
W5GGW
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[amsat-bb] Re: New Sat Operators

2011-04-29 Thread Clint Bradford
>> ... gud luck FM birds are very over crowded. SSB birds would be alot better 
>> I hope you told them what to expect ...

I live in the most populous region of the U.S.' most populous state, and have 
never had a problem demo'ing in front of audiences.

Of course it is busy on the "prime time" passes. That's why they exist - for us 
to use them.

I hope your comment was just tongue-in-cheek ... (grin)

Clint, K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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[amsat-bb] Hectors QSL card

2011-04-29 Thread Marvin Tamez
Received my Hector card today, thanks John, and will send mine to him asap. 
 
Marvin 
K5MLT 
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[amsat-bb] Re: KD8KSN Active Tomorrow (4/30) for Boy Scout Demo

2011-04-29 Thread Zachary Beougher
Clarifications:

We will only be on one, MAYBE two of the JOTA frequencies at a time.

There are going to be around 200 scouts, not 400-500.

Zack
KD8KSN

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From: Zachary Beougher
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:25 AM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] KD8KSN Active Tomorrow (4/30) for Boy Scout Demo

Hi All,

I have been asked to do a few satellite demos for some Boy Scouts tomorrow
afternoon on Horn’s Hill, Newark Ohio.  The location sits about 400-500’
above the rest of the terrain which is great for low passes, but there are
several trees to contend with.  It would be great if a few people could call
so the scouts could hear a typical exchange, and it would be really great if
whoever calls could give their state as well.

Here are the passes I plan to be on:

AO2730/1817z50*

AO5130/1942z15*

Maybe...
AO2730/1957z19*

I will be operating with my usual call, or I might be operating using W8CBF.
Grid will still be EN80.

We will also be on HF:

JOTA Scout Frequencies
>
> Band
>
> 80-meter
>   3.940 MHz
>
> 40-meter
>  7.190 MHz
>
> 20-meter
>   14.290 MHz
>
> 10-meter
>   28.390 MHz

Sorry I can't provide more details about the event.  I believe there were a
few organizational issues.  The passes and HF ops will be dependent on who
all shows up, band conditions and weather.  There are supposedly 400-500
scouts that will be coming through.

If you would like a card, send me the QSO details and I will send you one -
no return necessary.

73!

Zack
KD8KSN

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[amsat-bb] Enterprise launch

2011-04-29 Thread Robert McGwier
SCRUBBED for Friday
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[amsat-bb] Re: New Sat operators

2011-04-29 Thread wa4hfn
Make sure to tell them that 100 other people will all be on the same freq also 
and try not to double with someone, LOL.
gud luck FM birds are very over crowded. SSB birds would be alot better I hope 
you told them what to expect
WA4HFN Damon
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Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:31:39 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb]  New Sat operators

All,

A few weeks back, my radio club, The Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club 
(www.w7tbc.org) held an antenna building session where several members built 
satellite antennas from Kent Britain, WA5VJB, plans. Tomorrow is our Spring 
picnic and I'm planning on getting a few of the folks who built this antenna on 
the birds. Hopefully I'll have a few new voices on the following passes:

AO-27   1957UT
AO-27   2136UT
AO-51   2258UT

So if you hear a new call from DM33, help them get their first satellite QSO.

Not sure how many will be there, but here are a few calls you may hear:

AE7GM
WA6AYS
KF7MLX
KE7VOU

You can see some pictures from the build session on the club web site (see the 
link above)

Thanks in advance

73 de Rick
K7TEJ
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[amsat-bb] New Sat operators

2011-04-29 Thread saguaroastro
All,

A few weeks back, my radio club, The Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club 
(www.w7tbc.org) held an antenna building session where several members built 
satellite antennas from Kent Britain, WA5VJB, plans. Tomorrow is our Spring 
picnic and I'm planning on getting a few of the folks who built this antenna on 
the birds. Hopefully I'll have a few new voices on the following passes:

AO-27   1957UT
AO-27   2136UT
AO-51   2258UT

So if you hear a new call from DM33, help them get their first satellite QSO.

Not sure how many will be there, but here are a few calls you may hear:

AE7GM
WA6AYS
KF7MLX
KE7VOU

You can see some pictures from the build session on the club web site (see the 
link above)

Thanks in advance

73 de Rick
K7TEJ
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[amsat-bb] Re: field day

2011-04-29 Thread Bruce Paige
i have not been able to get the rules for field day placed on the web page. i 
have tried for several months now. they are posted on my website at 


doc file  http://www.amsatnet.com/2011fd.doc
pdf file  http://www.amsatnet.com/2011fd.pdf

73...bruce





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Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 11:32:23 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb]  field day



Hello all 

Is there a field day "plan" for this year?  I'm the satellite guy for my group 
this year and I have not heard anything. 


73 Bob W7LRD 
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[amsat-bb] Shuttle Delayed

2011-04-29 Thread Clint Bradford
Launch delayed until at least Sunday.

Clint
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[amsat-bb] field day

2011-04-29 Thread Bob- W7LRD


Hello all 

Is there a field day "plan" for this year?  I'm the satellite guy for my group 
this year and I have not heard anything. 

73 Bob W7LRD 
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[amsat-bb] re sale

2011-04-29 Thread Gerry
The Sequencers and Pre Amps Sold


Thanks for all inquirers


Gerry VE4GTB
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[amsat-bb] PayPal Widget Issue Resolved

2011-04-29 Thread Zachary Beougher
Thanks to Yanko, NX9G, for his help with the PayPal widget.  He was able to get 
it up and working last night.

Thanks for the responses!

Zack
KD8KSN
http://kd8ksn.blogspot.com/
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[amsat-bb] Re: Hand Help Portable operation

2011-04-29 Thread k8kfj


-Original Message-
From: Zachary Beougher 
To: John ; amsat-bb 
Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:33 am
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hand Help Portable operation

I use a "Y" adapter with my FT-590.  One side of the Y goes
to my earphones .. the other side goes to my digital recorder.
Works great.

73, Gary  -K8KFJ-
Sat VUCC #125


 I yse I UUysjsjsjsj  > Just set your phone or recorder near you, and then you 
can go 
 I use  > back after the pass and log.  No hassle whatsoever.


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[amsat-bb] /MM in Gulf of Mexico

2011-04-29 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
Y'all might want to listen for some /MM stations in the Gulf on the FM birds 
starting today. Go easy on them, as they are new to satellite, and operating 
with omnis most likely. Their route is St.Pete to Cancun, and back. I'm not 
sure of their calls, so just keep an ear out.

73, Drew KO4MA


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[amsat-bb] Re: Hand Help Portable operation

2011-04-29 Thread John
Duh!! I bought mine with the duplexor installed so it had the foam 
handle on the end of the boom. That's why I didn't see it. Pulled the 
foam handle off and there it was, as you described. Now to pull the 
screw on the tri-pod and replace it with a "just long enough" 
replacement. Thanks for clearing the fog!!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Zachary Beougher" 
To: "John" ; 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Hand Help Portable operation


> Hi John,
>
> The Arrow actually come predrilled with 1/4" holes on all four sides. 
> This should fit all standard tripods.  To switch polarization using a 
> tripod, you will need to have a tripod that not only enables you to 
> move the antenna (or camera) forward and backward (up/down) as most 
> tripods do, but you will also need one that pivots 
> vertically/horizontally.  Not all camera tripods do this - it will 
> depend on what type you have.
>
>> Not going to worry about logging until I get
>> comfortable enough receiving.
>
> You should look into using a recorder (your phone might even have 
> one!). Even for the experienced handheld beam user it is a challenge 
> to log while doing a pass.  Just set your phone or recorder near you, 
> and then you can go back after the pass and log.  No hassle 
> whatsoever.
>
> 73!
>
> Zack
> KD8KSN
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: John
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:52 AM
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Hand Help Portable operation
>
> OK, I finally received the ARROW satellite antenna. I believe I have 
> all
> necessary to make AO-51 contacts (any maybe SO-50) while I am camping 
> in
> the Motorhome. I have a Yaesu FT-470 with Speaker Mic, the Arrow 
> antenna
> and I approprated the camera tri-pod from my bride. Not going to worry
> about logging until I get comfortable enough receiving.
>
> I seem to remember someone mentioning they used the tripod top plate 
> to
> change polarity. How was that done? Do I need to poke a hole thru my 
> New
> Arrow to attach it to the tripod? Anyone out there BTDT (been there,
> done that)?
>
> Thanks
>
> NS1Z / EL99bf
> John Wilcox
> Silver Springs, FL
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[amsat-bb] Re: Hand Help Portable operation

2011-04-29 Thread Zachary Beougher
Hi John,

The Arrow actually come predrilled with 1/4" holes on all four sides.  This 
should fit all standard tripods.  To switch polarization using a tripod, you 
will need to have a tripod that not only enables you to move the antenna (or 
camera) forward and backward (up/down) as most tripods do, but you will also 
need one that pivots vertically/horizontally.  Not all camera tripods do 
this - it will depend on what type you have.

> Not going to worry about logging until I get
> comfortable enough receiving.

You should look into using a recorder (your phone might even have one!). 
Even for the experienced handheld beam user it is a challenge to log while 
doing a pass.  Just set your phone or recorder near you, and then you can go 
back after the pass and log.  No hassle whatsoever.

73!

Zack
KD8KSN

-Original Message- 
From: John
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:52 AM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hand Help Portable operation

OK, I finally received the ARROW satellite antenna. I believe I have all
necessary to make AO-51 contacts (any maybe SO-50) while I am camping in
the Motorhome. I have a Yaesu FT-470 with Speaker Mic, the Arrow antenna
and I approprated the camera tri-pod from my bride. Not going to worry
about logging until I get comfortable enough receiving.

I seem to remember someone mentioning they used the tripod top plate to
change polarity. How was that done? Do I need to poke a hole thru my New
Arrow to attach it to the tripod? Anyone out there BTDT (been there,
done that)?

Thanks

NS1Z / EL99bf
John Wilcox
Silver Springs, FL

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[amsat-bb] Re: Hand Help Portable operation

2011-04-29 Thread George Henry
There should already be a 1/4-20 threaded hole in the Arrow boom for tripod 
mounting.  Most (better) camera tripod top plates can be "tipped" up from 
horizontal to vertical, and that's how you change the polarity of the Arrow, 
same as you would by rotating the boom if you were hand-holding it.

George, KA3HSW



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> From: John 
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:52:22 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb]  Hand Help Portable operation
> 
> OK, I finally received the ARROW satellite antenna. I believe I have all 
> necessary to make AO-51 contacts (any maybe SO-50) while I am camping in 
> the Motorhome. I have a Yaesu FT-470 with Speaker Mic, the Arrow antenna 
> and I approprated the camera tri-pod from my bride. Not going to worry 
> about logging until I get comfortable enough receiving.
> 
> I seem to  remember someone mentioning they used the tripod top plate to 
> change  polarity. How was that done? Do I need to poke a hole thru my New 
> Arrow to  attach it to the tripod? Anyone out there BTDT (been there, 
> done  that)?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> NS1Z / EL99bf
> John Wilcox
> Silver Springs,  FL


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[amsat-bb] Hand Help Portable operation

2011-04-29 Thread John
OK, I finally received the ARROW satellite antenna. I believe I have all 
necessary to make AO-51 contacts (any maybe SO-50) while I am camping in 
the Motorhome. I have a Yaesu FT-470 with Speaker Mic, the Arrow antenna 
and I approprated the camera tri-pod from my bride. Not going to worry 
about logging until I get comfortable enough receiving.

I seem to remember someone mentioning they used the tripod top plate to 
change polarity. How was that done? Do I need to poke a hole thru my New 
Arrow to attach it to the tripod? Anyone out there BTDT (been there, 
done that)?

Thanks

NS1Z / EL99bf
John Wilcox
Silver Springs, FL

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[amsat-bb] KD8KSN Active Tomorrow (4/30) for Boy Scout Demo

2011-04-29 Thread Zachary Beougher
Hi All,

I have been asked to do a few satellite demos for some Boy Scouts tomorrow 
afternoon on Horn’s Hill, Newark Ohio.  The location sits about 400-500’ 
above the rest of the terrain which is great for low passes, but there are 
several trees to contend with.  It would be great if a few people could call 
so the scouts could hear a typical exchange, and it would be really great if 
whoever calls could give their state as well.

Here are the passes I plan to be on:

AO2730/1817z50*

AO5130/1942z15*

Maybe...
AO2730/1957z19*

I will be operating with my usual call, or I might be operating using W8CBF. 
Grid will still be EN80.

We will also be on HF:

JOTA Scout Frequencies
>
> Band
>
> 80-meter
>   3.940 MHz
>
> 40-meter
>  7.190 MHz
>
> 20-meter
>   14.290 MHz
>
> 10-meter
>   28.390 MHz

Sorry I can't provide more details about the event.  I believe there were a 
few organizational issues.  The passes and HF ops will be dependent on who 
all shows up, band conditions and weather.  There are supposedly 400-500 
scouts that will be coming through.

If you would like a card, send me the QSO details and I will send you one - 
no return necessary.

73!

Zack
KD8KSN 

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[amsat-bb] Hector

2011-04-29 Thread Kevin Deane

 
Just checking, got Hector's card also, his mailing address is good correct?
 
Be at my brothers this weekend, looking forward to workin everyone.
 
Kevin
KF7MYK
  
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[amsat-bb] Re: MMDS Downconv Information

2011-04-29 Thread Giulio P. AOL

 Hi John and Dom, thanks for the most apreciated informations and links , now 
i'm trying to desolder the connectors and reverse the pcb to remove xtal..

Keep in touch

Giulio AB2VY
Toms River NJ 08757


 

 

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From: jmfranke 
To: jmfranke ; i8cvs ; Amsat - BBs 
; Giulio P. AOL 
Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:21 am
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: MMDS Downconv Information


Or try:

http://www.cqham.ru/image2/cal-amp-dc_big.gif

John  WA4WDL

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To: "i8cvs" ; "Amsat - BBs" ; 
"Giulio P. AOL" 
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: MMDS Downconv Information

> Start at:
>
> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.cqham.ru/ao40_equip.htm&ei=mrGkTJHfOJDSsAO6ypT-Dg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CDwQ7gEwCDgK&prev=/search%3Fq%3DCalamp%2B31732%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26prmd%3Div
>
>
> John  WA4WDL
>
> --
> From: "i8cvs" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:29 PM
> To: "Amsat - BBs" ; "Giulio P. AOL" 
> 
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: MMDS Downconv Information
>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Giulio P. AOL" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:10 AM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] MMDS Downconv Information
>>>
>>>  Hi Guys, i have a couple of California Amplifier Part. 130015 and 
>>> 13001,
>> does anyone have some info's on how > to modify the internal IF (2278 
>> Mhz)
>> to a new value below 2000 Mhz?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Giulio AB2VY
>>> Toms River NJ 08756
>>
>> Hi Giulio, AB2VY
>>
>> The friend Al, W8KHP
>>
>> w8...@amsat.org  or tok...@myranch.com
>>
>> was recently looking for the same information, see belowe.
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/amsat-bb@amsat.org/msg13048.html
>>
>> He probably already found what you need.
>>
>> 73" de
>>
>> i8CVS Domenico
>>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Icom D-Star

2011-04-29 Thread don
Hi Greg,
 Sorry to say this, but your analogy to "just another component" 
is plain wrong. The vocoder cannot be replaced by another generic 
component as far as I can ascertain. I cant' even find the algorithms 
that would allow me to program a DSPIC or fpga at home in my meager lab 
to perform any of the functions in the codec.
If they are available (I have searched the US patent office records and 
came up with nothing of substance) please point me to the information 
that I could use to produce my own version for "one off, private use, 
that a competent artisan could make" from the patent office application.
Taken from your own patent office's requirements for a patent to be granted.
I'm certainly not against using modern technology in ham radio, but if 
it is to be used, all aspects of the technology should be on public 
display, so  any one "could":
1: Understand how the technology worked
2: Attempt to build something or code something that would enable them 
to communicate using the technique.
3: Advance the "art" by understanding and may be even using the latest 
techniques.
I have no problems with the use of "digital" systems on the ham bands, I 
use FLDIGI for receiving all sorts of signals, and have modified the 
open source code (waterfall) for a totally different interest.
I could do this because the information was freely available.
On another, probably more contentious, issue that you raised you 
mentioned that of operating systems! and choices.
As you so correctly pointed out most people don't care, and probably 
wouldn't even know what system was giving them their internet access or 
email or poetry writing ability or photo sharing or.

Isn't ham radio a little different?
Are we not interested in the nuances of the closed source versus open 
source systems that we may choose to use?
I certainly know where my interest is, and it is most certainly not in 
closed source systems.
Want to know a recent reason why closed source software is a 
REALLY,REALLY bad idea? Try Googling Stuxnet and then follow the leads 
from there.
Really scary, if you live in a country that uses an internet based 
control system...USA,GB, France, Italy, Germany,etc
Open source, or at least scrutiny would have identified the stupidity of 
global passwords and non changing access passwords!

  Another point that you inferred (and I could be wrong here) that we 
should accept and use commercial systems (DSTAR?) because they are 
available and are being pushed (hard) by oneONE ONLY... manufacturer 
, well I don't subscribe to that mindset.
I fully understand that JARL instigated this system for their own 
reasons, but I fail to see why the rest of the world should be captive 
to a system that has to use closed source components to function.
Which is where we started I think.
Cheers and (open source wishes!)

Don
ZL1THO.
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