[amsat-bb] QSL Cards
I did keep a LITTLE better track this time, there were a few that didnt make it on the K8YSE's Rec page. Anyone wanting cards for these grids/dates please email info and I will send them out. I have AC0RA, K7TRK, KA6SIP already. SEP. 25 DM05/DM13 26 DM23 27,28,29DM13 30 DM06,07 I think thats right Will do DM08 next time I go to Jim's, probly next weekend. I need to redo my coax ends, but after listening to the recordings for some reason my radio/ant still sound like a tin can and the recordings from way back sound the same, except from Jim's house so I dont know kinda bothers me. I hope I dont sound like that on the local repeaters? How would I know... Anyway catch ya on the air! Kevin KF7MYK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: EM53
Hi Damon, I'd like a QSL for EM53. I'd be happy to send you a SASE for it. Thanks for all your travels. What were you using for an antenna? 144 PH 10/01/11 2037 WA4HFN/P 59 FM27 59W EM53 AO-51 73, Don Snider N3MK - FM27 7465 Beebe Rd Chincoteague, VA 23336 -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of wa4...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:40 PM To: AMSAT Subject: [amsat-bb] EM53 If you worked me in EM53 mobile today on AO51 and need a card, email me your log entry and I will QSL Thanks WA4HFN Damon ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Hearing AO-51
On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 11:36 -0700, Clint Bradford wrote: > >> ... Should I be able to hear AO-51 using an eggbeater with no preamp?. > Just get a little "directionality" to your antenna ... Heck, we're working > the FM birds with Tape Measure Beams. And with > "better" HT antennas. And again I need to plug the IOio antenna :). I built mine with PVC pipe and copper tubing and made my first sat contact on AO-7 with it. I guess if it works on AO-7, AO-51 should be a walk in the park ;) http://personales.ya.com/ea4cax/paginaea4cyq/Antenaioio/ioioingles.pdf 73 Mike K5TRI ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Operating practice on (mostly) FM sats
Phonetics should already be in use for the sats (I use phonetics all the time regardless of mode and band). It's probably a "hurry up and get it done" thing - operators don't want to bother using phonetics because it takes too long. I maintain that having to repeat yourself multiple times defeats the concept of NOT using phonetics in the first place. Ultimately, phonetics should be used anytime there is a possibility that the signal won't be clearly heard or understood. Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY CN94 - Original Message - From: "Michael Schulz" While we're at it talking about the AO-51 craziness at times (5 am passes are quite pleasant) I'd like to bring up another thing that constantly gets me which is not using phonetics for call signs. Just because it is a FM satellite doesn't mean everybody is clearly understandable and it makes it more difficult to copy calls. Why not just use phonetics to begin with and make it easier for everybody to work stations? Just an idea. Comments welcome. 73 Mike K5TRI ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Hearing AO-51
Hi Mark, Yes, the dead UHF preamp is still inline, but I was unable to hear AO-51 before I put up the preamp. I added the preamp (a bargain buy on ebay) but the preamp only worked for a few days before going dead. What do you think about an Elk at a fixed elevation on an azimuth only rotator? - Original Message - From: Mark L. Hammond To: Paul Delaney - K6HR ; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Hearing AO-51 Hi Paul, Do you by chance have a dead preamp inline? I've had some fail that keep any signal from passing...it's worse than no preamp!! Just a thought... Drew's comment about polarity is a good one, too. Mark N8MH At 11:21 AM 10/2/2011 -0700, Paul Delaney - K6HR wrote: >Should I be able to hear AO-51 using an eggbeater with no preamp?. > >I can hear VO-52 just fine but have not heard AO-51at all, so I have to wonder why. I'm listening on 435.15. Perhaps the sat is not active while over DM03? Or am I kidding myself thinking I should be able to hear it without a preamp? I realize the VO-52 downlink is 2m as opposed to the 70cm AO-51 downlink. I'm having my preamps repaired but until then I could use some advice/opinions. > >Paul Delaney - K6HR >http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 >___ >Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Hearing AO-51
No I have not heard AO27 either, that explains it. Time for different antennas. Thanks for the info! - Original Message - From: Andrew Glasbrenner To: Paul Delaney - K6HR Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Hearing AO-51 Your eggbeater is probably RHCP overhead and horizontal at the horizon. The 435.150 downlink on AO51 is LHCP, so you are at a serious disadvantage. Can you hear AO27? 73, Drew KO4MA Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:21 PM, "Paul Delaney - K6HR" wrote: > > Should I be able to hear AO-51 using an eggbeater with no preamp?. > > I can hear VO-52 just fine but have not heard AO-51at all, so I have to wonder why. I'm listening on 435.15. Perhaps the sat is not active while over DM03? Or am I kidding myself thinking I should be able to hear it without a preamp? I realize the VO-52 downlink is 2m as opposed to the 70cm AO-51 downlink. I'm having my preamps repaired but until then I could use some advice/opinions. > > Paul Delaney - K6HR > http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Ham Sats Dead?
>> ... As wonderful as what you write is, I suspect it is not enough to sustain >> the satellite part of the hobby. First, YOU are to be commended for your support of AMSAT. I hope that all those who "got in" as Lifers back when it was really relatively inexpensive to do so still see to it that a little is donated each year to AMSAT-NA in some manner ... Not to be argumentative (who, ME argumentative?), but please help me understand what you mean when you state, " ... not enough to sustain ... " - I mean, it is obvious that money is what is needed to get these birds built and launched. So you are correct: All the lesson plans and contacts with a Watt or two in front of awe-struick audiences so not bring in the funds necessary to sustain this aspect of the hobby. Unless one of us wins a state lottery, how do we get projects funded? Who among us is into writing grants? My wife has written a few successful ones for the nonprofits we support. But who else has some time to research and identify that type of funding? PayPal widgets on hams' Web sites aren't cutting it. Gotta finish some stuff in the back yard ... THANK YOU for the dialogue. Clint, K6LCS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Operating practice on (mostly) FM sats
Hi, While we're at it talking about the AO-51 craziness at times (5 am passes are quite pleasant) I'd like to bring up another thing that constantly gets me which is not using phonetics for call signs. Just because it is a FM satellite doesn't mean everybody is clearly understandable and it makes it more difficult to copy calls. Why not just use phonetics to begin with and make it easier for everybody to work stations? Just an idea. Comments welcome. 73 Mike K5TRI ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Sebastion - Good points. Here are some more. The best contest and pileup ops are those that get it right the first time. If you ever see a video of a high rate contest station or DXpedition it doesn't seem like they are going that fast, but they are doing rates of 120+. They use their exchanges effectively. Anyone can improve their rate. Always use phonetics. If you get part of a call give a report and get his call when he gives his report. Use numbers instead of decades, that is say six five instead of sixty five. Minimize the chit chat. These procedures lead to getting the exchanges and calls right with a minimum of exchanges. Example: ... TU QRZ Kilo Kilo Six Mike Charlie ...Pileup... Four Alpha Sierra Delta Mike Six Five Kilo Kilo Six Mike Charlie QSL Echo Lima Eight Four Whiskey Four Alpha Sierra Whiskey Four Alpha Sierra TU QRZ Kilo Kilo Six Mike Charlie pileup repeat If you have to call CQ more than once it isn't a pileup. :^)= Of course you can't control what the other guy sends, but you can control what you send and the tempo of the whole exchange, which is what it takes to make a lot of QSOs in a short time. It is easy to get overwhelmed, and that is OK, but don't let the pileup know. Fills take up a lot of time and anything you can do to minimize it with good operating practices will improve rate. This procedure also satisfies those, mostly weak signal ops, who want a valid QSO to consist of both stations copying both calls, a significant piece of information (grid square), and then confirming that the information has been exchanged. This is a valid point, although many, particularly on HF do not necessarily agree. CW simplifies things a bit, plus there are fewer calling. Of course the real problem is getting newcomers to move up to linear satellites where multiple QSOs can be supported. - DUffey KK6MC > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Hearing AO-51
Hi Paul, Do you by chance have a dead preamp inline? I've had some fail that keep any signal from passing...it's worse than no preamp!! Just a thought... Drew's comment about polarity is a good one, too. Mark N8MH At 11:21 AM 10/2/2011 -0700, Paul Delaney - K6HR wrote: >Should I be able to hear AO-51 using an eggbeater with no preamp?. > >I can hear VO-52 just fine but have not heard AO-51at all, so I have to wonder >why. I'm listening on 435.15. Perhaps the sat is not active while over DM03? >Or am I kidding myself thinking I should be able to hear it without a preamp? >I realize the VO-52 downlink is 2m as opposed to the 70cm AO-51 downlink. I'm >having my preamps repaired but until then I could use some advice/opinions. > >Paul Delaney - K6HR >http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 >___ >Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Hearing AO-51
>> ... ISS was nothing more then a flying mailbox and that getting a qsl card >> for leaving a message in an orbiting bbs was dumb ... I was wishing that that type of ignorance didn't exist in our hobby ... but I've been called an "optimist" (as well as several other things ... (grin)). I was on the organizing committee for a local hamfest a few years ago, and actually ran into a similar sentiment. The "powers-that-be" desired the 'fest's station to be all-HF. When I pointed out that that was discriminatory, elitist, and not in the best interests of furthering amateur radio to the masses, they relented. But I wasn't asked to be on the committee the next year ... And so it goes. Clint, K6LCS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Hearing AO-51
Your eggbeater is probably RHCP overhead and horizontal at the horizon. The 435.150 downlink on AO51 is LHCP, so you are at a serious disadvantage. Can you hear AO27? 73, Drew KO4MA Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:21 PM, "Paul Delaney - K6HR" wrote: > > Should I be able to hear AO-51 using an eggbeater with no preamp?. > > I can hear VO-52 just fine but have not heard AO-51at all, so I have to > wonder why. I'm listening on 435.15. Perhaps the sat is not active while over > DM03? Or am I kidding myself thinking I should be able to hear it without a > preamp? I realize the VO-52 downlink is 2m as opposed to the 70cm AO-51 > downlink. I'm having my preamps repaired but until then I could use some > advice/opinions. > > Paul Delaney - K6HR > http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Ham Sats Dead?
Reminds me of a discusion I withnessed here localy. a club had the oppertunety to promote hamradio on a local event with a stall. On the day of the event it turned out that the stall had nothing more then a few HF stations all with CW key and one computer for digital modes. When asked about why there was no attention for ariss or modern technics but only HF the answer was that CW was hot and they had one young man (yes ONE) that came back to see it again and ISS was nothing more then a flying mailbox and that getting a qsl card for leaving a message in an orbiting bbs was dumb. Personaly I think answering 59 please repeat all details is dumb but I don't go around making my personal opinion superior to any other, if they are happy doing it fine, the hobby is big enough to allow all aspects to be valid. 73 Andre PE1RDW Op 2-10-2011 19:29, Clint Bradford schreef: In another forum, an unenlightened ham made the following allegation. Sorry, folks - I just cannot let this type of nonsense go unanswered ... (grin) ELSEWHERE>> ... I'm sure but the amateur satellite service is on life support right now ... things like the ARISSAT are just a novelty ... I am proud to report that NO, this aspect of the hobby is by no means "dead" nor dying. We received more than 100 applications for ARISS school-to-ISS contacts for the first part of next year. That means there's 100 school principals and 200 teachers who are interested - and their enthusiasm is transmitted (pun intended) to their students, numbering in the thousands. SO, there ARE educators and school children receiving information and whose lesson plans include amateur radio and the ISS. This is important. Those who demean projects like ARISSat-1 are not educators. This project alone has stimulated the minds of hundreds of thousands of school children around the planet - through the work of teachers. There's PLENTY to be taught and learned from such a project - and it IS being taught. One of the two popular study guides for amateur radio licensing - the "2010-2014 Technician Class by Gordon West" - has a sidebar with satelllite-related links for further information. Heck, Gordo ran a Technician class yesterday to a standing- room-only crowd, and he made his traditional "test call" on a local repeater ... I happened to be on the air, answered him, and gave those soon-to-be-hams a plug for working the satellites ... Of course we would like another high-altitude bird. It takes money. 99.999% of those who demean current AMSAT projects don't give a cent to AMSAT. The wildly-successful-by-ANYone's-standards AO-51 project cost approximately $500K to build, plus another $110K to launch. As a testament to how well that sat was engineered, it is continuing to transmit at 800mW+ the past two months - with one battery cell dead and another at 0.1V. It continues to be included in school lesson plans, as well as public demonstrations, Field Days, JOTA and Scout activities, and it's there for just you and me to step outside a few times a week and work with a Watt or two ... My bottom line? Folks who claim that this aspect of the hobby is "dead" or "dying" might be correct, in that for them in their small circles, they may not be excited with the current satellite projects. But in reality, the existing LEOs are wonderful teaching tools - being taught about and studied and appreciated - in classrooms and presentation rooms and hamfests and conventions and parking lots and public parks - across the planet. Donate to AMSAT. Today. Be a part of the future of the amateur satellite program. Amend your will, and include AMSAT-NA in your estate - there's a method to donate that doesn't "hurt" a bit. And volunteer to give a demo at your local middle school or high school. Be a part of the educational process - see how YOU can bring excitement to a classroom of future hams. OR, just sit back and without knowledge of reality declare "Ham sats are dead," in public message forums. The choice is yours. Clint Bradford, K6LCS NASA / ARISS school technical support volunteer AMSAT area coordinator 909-241-7666 ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
When I got back on the birds a few years ago, I was surprised as to the exchanges commonly made while a 'rare' grid was on. Here's the format commonly used when a 'rare' grid or country, etc. is on: "CQ W4AS Echo Lima 84" W4AS, W4AS this is W1ABC" "W1ABC this is W4AS in Echo Lima 84" Roger W4AS, thanks for Echo Lima 84, I'm in Fox Nancy 20 "QSL W1ABC in Fox Nancy 20, this is W4AS in Echo Lima 84" First, there is no reason why anyone should repeat the call sign of the station in the 'rare' grid during a pileup. And sending the grids phonetically over and over is a waste of time as well. The only grid that's important in the above exchange, is the 'rare' grid, the others aren't. Why don't we use a modified form of the exchanges that are commonly used on HF? "CQ W4AS Echo Lima 84" pileup "the station with ABC come again" W1ABC FN20 "W1ABC thanks, QRZ" pileup "W2ABC I have you, QRZ" pileup "W3ABC you're in the log; W4AS Echo Lima 84 QRZ" etc. These exchanges are common on HF. When the station in the 'rare' grid is on, they need to take control. If that person calls a particular station, and doesn't hear them, ask for a repeat and say you are only listening for that call sign. If that call sign isn't heard, then say "sorry no copy on ABC; QRZ". At no time should the 'rare' grid station acknowledge someone else when they are specifically calling a particular station; that just leads to chaos. Comments? 73 de Sebastian, W4AS On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:48 AM, N0JY wrote: > > Being a "rare" grid (FL66) at the time everybody wanted to work, but a lot > more people got to work because everybody was courteous and waited for the > short QSO exchange to be completed. Even though my callsign VP9/N0JY/MM felt > like about a 10 second mouthful... :-) ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Hearing AO-51
>> ... Should I be able to hear AO-51 using an eggbeater with no preamp?. Eggbeaters are great conversation starters. For working the FM sats, I have not been excited with my Eggbeater's performance. And I own one of the best - with horizontal plane kit installed. Just get a little "directionality" to your antenna ... Heck, we're working the FM birds with Tape Measure Beams. And with "better" HT antennas. Clint, K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Hearing AO-51
Should I be able to hear AO-51 using an eggbeater with no preamp?. I can hear VO-52 just fine but have not heard AO-51at all, so I have to wonder why. I'm listening on 435.15. Perhaps the sat is not active while over DM03? Or am I kidding myself thinking I should be able to hear it without a preamp? I realize the VO-52 downlink is 2m as opposed to the 70cm AO-51 downlink. I'm having my preamps repaired but until then I could use some advice/opinions. Paul Delaney - K6HR http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Ham Sats Dead?
In another forum, an unenlightened ham made the following allegation. Sorry, folks - I just cannot let this type of nonsense go unanswered ... (grin) ELSEWHERE >> ... I'm sure but the amateur satellite service is on life support right now ... things like the ARISSAT are just a novelty ... I am proud to report that NO, this aspect of the hobby is by no means "dead" nor dying. We received more than 100 applications for ARISS school-to-ISS contacts for the first part of next year. That means there's 100 school principals and 200 teachers who are interested - and their enthusiasm is transmitted (pun intended) to their students, numbering in the thousands. SO, there ARE educators and school children receiving information and whose lesson plans include amateur radio and the ISS. This is important. Those who demean projects like ARISSat-1 are not educators. This project alone has stimulated the minds of hundreds of thousands of school children around the planet - through the work of teachers. There's PLENTY to be taught and learned from such a project - and it IS being taught. One of the two popular study guides for amateur radio licensing - the "2010-2014 Technician Class by Gordon West" - has a sidebar with satelllite-related links for further information. Heck, Gordo ran a Technician class yesterday to a standing- room-only crowd, and he made his traditional "test call" on a local repeater ... I happened to be on the air, answered him, and gave those soon-to-be-hams a plug for working the satellites ... Of course we would like another high-altitude bird. It takes money. 99.999% of those who demean current AMSAT projects don't give a cent to AMSAT. The wildly-successful-by-ANYone's-standards AO-51 project cost approximately $500K to build, plus another $110K to launch. As a testament to how well that sat was engineered, it is continuing to transmit at 800mW+ the past two months - with one battery cell dead and another at 0.1V. It continues to be included in school lesson plans, as well as public demonstrations, Field Days, JOTA and Scout activities, and it's there for just you and me to step outside a few times a week and work with a Watt or two ... My bottom line? Folks who claim that this aspect of the hobby is "dead" or "dying" might be correct, in that for them in their small circles, they may not be excited with the current satellite projects. But in reality, the existing LEOs are wonderful teaching tools - being taught about and studied and appreciated - in classrooms and presentation rooms and hamfests and conventions and parking lots and public parks - across the planet. Donate to AMSAT. Today. Be a part of the future of the amateur satellite program. Amend your will, and include AMSAT-NA in your estate - there's a method to donate that doesn't "hurt" a bit. And volunteer to give a demo at your local middle school or high school. Be a part of the educational process - see how YOU can bring excitement to a classroom of future hams. OR, just sit back and without knowledge of reality declare "Ham sats are dead," in public message forums. The choice is yours. Clint Bradford, K6LCS NASA / ARISS school technical support volunteer AMSAT area coordinator 909-241-7666 ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
HA! Now we know who broke it :) 73 Mike On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:15 AM, K5OE wrote: > > Mike, K5TRI, writes: >> p.s.: For the ironically challenged, this was irony. I don't run 1KW up >> to any satellite as everybody knows it's not enough. > > Apparently, not even for FO-29 any more. That's a shame to, because I always > had a nice signal on FO-29 when I ran the 1 KW amp. > > 73, > Jerry, K5OE > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Mike, K5TRI, writes: > p.s.: For the ironically challenged, this was irony. I don't run 1KW up > to any satellite as everybody knows it's not enough. Apparently, not even for FO-29 any more. That's a shame to, because I always had a nice signal on FO-29 when I ran the 1 KW amp. 73, Jerry, K5OE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
An interesting account, Clayton. It reminds me of my shipboard contact with my ham radio club back in 2008. We had a contact on AO-51 scheduled, and at the appointed time I gave my call (between the current QSOs) and a handful of stations answered, I asked them to please stand by while I completed the scheduled contact and they were quite nice and did so. As soon as I finished the contact with the club I asked for the others and the contacts were fast and furious but really quite orderly. Whether that is testament to the perhaps fewer ops on AO-51 back then, or the courtesy of the operators, could probably be argued. I believe it was the latter, and coupled with the fact that there were fewer stations that could not hear the satellite, trying to call it anyway (which seems more common these days, just my observation) made it work. Being a "rare" grid (FL66) at the time everybody wanted to work, but a lot more people got to work because everybody was courteous and waited for the short QSO exchange to be completed. Even though my callsign VP9/N0JY/MM felt like about a 10 second mouthful... :-) My summary thought is the same as yours: If I don't work this station/grid right now, is it really the end of the world? A growing number of people (good ops) have satellite VUCC. And I probably wasn't planning on selling or throwing away my Arrow and HT (or home satellite station) 10 minutes after the contact opportunity, so since that guy is on a ship nowhere near land I'll bet he'll be out there on the air again when the satellite is in view of that area if he had a pleasant experience the first time. Or, if someone drove out to Armageddon Grid, if I really really need THAT grid, I'll bet someone will do it again if they had a pleasant experience the first time! It's all about the pleasant experience, the fact that the op is out there in the middle of nowhere is because they ENJOY doing that! 73, Jerry N0JY On 10/2/2011 8:56 AM, Clayton Coleman W5PFG wrote: Since I am relatively “green” myself to FM satellite rover operation, I will share an observation from a recent grid expedition in West Texas. I’ve observed a behavior that I refer to as “Armageddon grid.” This means the rover operator is activating a grid for the last time before the world meets a fiery demise and doesn't know it until he gives his call and grid square. This is an overview of an Armageddon grid activation: 1. Rover station calls one of his friends or scheduled contact. 2. Up to five stations immediately call the rover station in rapid procession, not allowing a millisecond between calls for anyone to answer. Never mind the opportunity of the rover’s original station called establishing contact. 3. At this point, the rover station tries to complete his original call (if/when the dust settles.) 4. Typically what occurs is step 2-3 wind up in a loop for a period of 2-3 minutes thus effectively reducing the usable time for other stations to make contact on the pass by one-third or more. If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids. If you miss that desired grid today, doesn’t that leave opportunity for you to work it on another day? 73 Clayton W5PFG ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VY1RM VO-52, 1000th grid worked
Hi John! > It is difficult for me to believe that there > have been 1000 grids active in the last 5 years. > When I first started in satellites I thought two or > three hundred grids would be about it, but many things > happened to move that estimate up. Last night I worked > VY1RM in the Yukon for grid number 1000 with VO-52 at > 2-3 degrees. Congratulations on reaching the 1000-grid mark! > This total would not have been possible had it not > been for the many who have gone to grids away from > their home comfort zone and operated on the birds, > sometimes under very difficult conditions. I thought > it might be interesting to create a listing of those > who have given me more than one NEW grid. Many have > also operated in multiple grids that I already had. > This list does not reflect the many who have given > others NEW grids over the past five years. > > Thanks for the compliment. Other than my trip to Australia a few months ago, I know that I'll hear you on from anywhere I go in North America. Some times I'm in a new grid for your log, and other times you're working me just to say "hello" and add another QSO to my log. Now you can keep working toward having 1000 confirmed grids via satellite. :-) 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Hi Clayton! > Since I am relatively “green” myself to FM satellite rover operation, I've been reading your recent grid-expedition exploits here on the -BB. Hope to catch you on from some of those places in the near future. > I will share an observation from a recent grid expedition in West > Texas. I’ve observed a behavior that I refer to as “Armageddon grid.” > This means the rover operator is activating a grid for the last time > before the world meets a fiery demise and doesn't know it until he > gives his call and grid square. > > > > If you miss that desired grid today, doesn’t that leave opportunity > for you to work it on another day? Most who operate from the rare grids are already aware of the rareness of the grid(s). This is why the operators are on from there much of the time. Beyond the constant wall of callers who do not allow a gap for the station in the rare grid(s) to respond, it is entirely possible that the station won't be on from that grid again. Whether it is a shipborne station who will be in another grid after that pass or someone on a road trip who can't stay in that grid for whatever reason (travel schedule, weather, etc.), that is why it sometimes sounds like what you describe. I can go over the list of 60 grids I have worked from over the past few years, and there are at least 10 that have not been on the air since my trip(s) to them. Add in the new operators who were not on the air before, and there could be a large crowd trying to work that rare grid. It does *not* justify poor operating procedure by those trying to make that QSO. Just be ready to deal with it, with a good station and your good operating procedure. Now, time to get ready for an upcoming VO-52 pass from the back yard... :-) 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Mike, You convinced me. Next week when I'm in EL29, I will run as much power as I can to make sure you get that grid, being as it is so rare. Even if other stations want to work me, I will bust through them with my super-rover antenna array just so we can make contact. Thanks for setting me straight! /sarcasm off. 73 Clayton On 10/2/11, Michael Schulz wrote: > Clayton, > > On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 08:56 -0500, Clayton Coleman W5PFG wrote: > >> If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is >> coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations >> would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids. >> >> If you miss that desired grid today, doesn’t that leave opportunity >> for you to work it on another day? > > You totally miss the point here. This is MY satellite and if I want to > work YOU on that pass I will do WHATEVER it takes. I usually run 100W > up to AO-51 anyways to make sure everybody hears ME! If that's not > sufficient, ok .. let's bring the 1KW brick. No problem. The world is > ending, we all know that already so I need to make sure that I get all > the grids right now and here. The time YOU spent typing this email you > could've already gotten in your friggin car and driven out to a new one > for ME to work you. Clayton, Clayton .. we have to work on this slacker > attitude of yours. Tsts ... > > Just my $23 > > 73 Mike K5TRI > > p.s.: For the ironically challenged, this was irony. I don't run 1KW up > to any satellite as everybody knows it's not enough. > > p.p.s.: Ups, I did it again :) > > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
I know that everyone that has roved has had a similar problem. Here is the way I used to handle the problem. First, when the satellite came up, I would listen for all the stations I could hear and write them down. Then I would put my call out there with the grid, those that wanted me, knew I was in a rare grid. Anyone that called me back, I put a check mark next to their call When they stopped calling, I would say, "xy1xy, ve1a, ke5a, le5a, i have you, any others" Then I would listen and write down all that I heard call me and go back with the next list of those I had heard. Obviously, this is a modified form of a two-way QSO because for a QSO to take place you must hear them and they must hear you. Since I wrote down their calls and gave it back and they called me and said they wanted a contact, we had a two-way. Just not a two-way by itself, it was interrupted by many others. I found this method to be the most efficient way to give out a rare grid square to the most without spending a lot of time. And, if after giving out the list the first time of who you heard, you have not heard your original friend, I would call him then. All those that you acknowledged will now be silent because they know they are in the log. Sometimes we have to modify things for the situation. 73...bruce From: Clayton Coleman W5PFG To: "AMSAT-BB@amsat.org" Sent: Sun, October 2, 2011 8:56:54 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 Since I am relatively “green” myself to FM satellite rover operation, I will share an observation from a recent grid expedition in West Texas. I’ve observed a behavior that I refer to as “Armageddon grid.” This means the rover operator is activating a grid for the last time before the world meets a fiery demise and doesn't know it until he gives his call and grid square. This is an overview of an Armageddon grid activation: 1.Rover station calls one of his friends or scheduled contact. 2.Up to five stations immediately call the rover station in rapid procession, not allowing a millisecond between calls for anyone to answer. Never mind the opportunity of the rover’s original station called establishing contact. 3.At this point, the rover station tries to complete his original call (if/when the dust settles.) 4.Typically what occurs is step 2-3 wind up in a loop for a period of 2-3 minutes thus effectively reducing the usable time for other stations to make contact on the pass by one-third or more. If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids. If you miss that desired grid today, doesn’t that leave opportunity for you to work it on another day? 73 Clayton W5PFG On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Omar Alvarez wrote: > What a shame this pass, just a few QSOs can be finished because all calling >others without give a chance the complete the current QSO. > What we need to fix that? > > > I will wait for a better pass. > > Have a nice weekend. > > Omar > XE1AO > DK89df > > > > M.C. Omar Alvarez Cárdenas > Facultad de Telematica, U de C > 316 1075 > xe1...@ucol.mx > omar...@hotmail.com > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Dave... I've actually done that. Of the valid email addresses on QRZ.com (some were bounced back due to invalid addresses) I got one reply, which I can't republish here due to the "tone" used by the author. The kicker is that I heard someone that actually received an email from me a couple of weeks ago and apparently the advice was ignored. It gets monotonous after a while, trying to have a QSO and getting stepped on. 73, Jeff WB2SYK From: Dave Webb KB1PVH To: Jeffrey Koehler Cc: "amsat-bb@amsat.org" ; Michael Schulz Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 Jeff, Instead of complaining here on the BB, why don't you email the stations that are doing it and offer some suggestions to improve their operating practices and maybe point them to John K8YSE's website. You might be surprised at the response you get (in a good way) Dave - KB1PVH Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID X ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Clayton, On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 08:56 -0500, Clayton Coleman W5PFG wrote: > If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is > coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations > would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids. > > If you miss that desired grid today, doesn’t that leave opportunity > for you to work it on another day? You totally miss the point here. This is MY satellite and if I want to work YOU on that pass I will do WHATEVER it takes. I usually run 100W up to AO-51 anyways to make sure everybody hears ME! If that's not sufficient, ok .. let's bring the 1KW brick. No problem. The world is ending, we all know that already so I need to make sure that I get all the grids right now and here. The time YOU spent typing this email you could've already gotten in your friggin car and driven out to a new one for ME to work you. Clayton, Clayton .. we have to work on this slacker attitude of yours. Tsts ... Just my $23 73 Mike K5TRI p.s.: For the ironically challenged, this was irony. I don't run 1KW up to any satellite as everybody knows it's not enough. p.p.s.: Ups, I did it again :) ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Since I am relatively “green” myself to FM satellite rover operation, I will share an observation from a recent grid expedition in West Texas. I’ve observed a behavior that I refer to as “Armageddon grid.” This means the rover operator is activating a grid for the last time before the world meets a fiery demise and doesn't know it until he gives his call and grid square. This is an overview of an Armageddon grid activation: 1. Rover station calls one of his friends or scheduled contact. 2. Up to five stations immediately call the rover station in rapid procession, not allowing a millisecond between calls for anyone to answer. Never mind the opportunity of the rover’s original station called establishing contact. 3. At this point, the rover station tries to complete his original call (if/when the dust settles.) 4. Typically what occurs is step 2-3 wind up in a loop for a period of 2-3 minutes thus effectively reducing the usable time for other stations to make contact on the pass by one-third or more. If operators would not treat working a rare grid as if the world is coming to an end immediately after the pass, I believe rover stations would have a much more pleasant time handing out new grids. If you miss that desired grid today, doesn’t that leave opportunity for you to work it on another day? 73 Clayton W5PFG On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Omar Alvarez wrote: > What a shame this pass, just a few QSOs can be finished because all calling > others without give a chance the complete the current QSO. > What we need to fix that? > > > I will wait for a better pass. > > Have a nice weekend. > > Omar > XE1AO > DK89df > > > > M.C. Omar Alvarez Cárdenas > Facultad de Telematica, U de C > 316 1075 > xe1...@ucol.mx > omar...@hotmail.com > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Jeff, Instead of complaining here on the BB, why don't you email the stations that are doing it and offer some suggestions to improve their operating practices and maybe point them to John K8YSE's website. You might be surprised at the response you get (in a good way) Dave - KB1PVH Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID X ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
Thanks for the answers and comments, SSB satellites are a good solution when you invited someone to give a new grid, I did it (LU6QI), but sometimes in FM SAts appears a good o missed grid I you can´t get it because same stations, every orbit, are saying hello all day passes Well, my contribution is not be like that stations to avoid increase this problem... just was my opinion, not a rule to apply in SATs. Hope to be soon in DK78 interested ? Omar XE1AO DK89df M.C. Omar Alvarez Cárdenas Facultad de Telematica, U de C 316 1075 xe1...@ucol.mx omar...@hotmail.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 05:52 -0700, Jeffrey Koehler wrote: > It amazes me that people to this day still call, "CQ satellite CQ > satellite" and having it be so obvious that they cannot hear the > downlink. > > > Unbelievable. Not necessarily unbelievable but aren't there many folks out there who work FM sats with a single HT and simply rely on the set frequencies? I personally would never want to work like that but, that's just me :). 73 Mike ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01
It amazes me that people to this day still call, "CQ satellite CQ satellite" and having it be so obvious that they cannot hear the downlink. Unbelievable. 73, Jeff WB2SYK FN13xc From: Michael Schulz To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 04:31 +0200, i8cvs wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Omar Alvarez" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:25 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01 > > What a shame this pass, just a few QSOs can be finished because all calling > others without give a chance the complete the current QSO. > What we need to fix that? > > I will wait for a better pass. > > Have a nice weekend. > > Omar > XE1AO > DK89df > > Hi Omar, XE1AO > > You only need satellites with linear transponders. > > 73" de > > i8CVS Domenico If you pair that with good operating practice like giving call signs so that they're understandable and checking for available frequency first you may have a winner ;). 73 Mike K5TRI ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] 2M1EUB/P NOW QRV NE.SCOTLAND
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