[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates
On 16 Jun 2010 at 22:27, Anthony Monteiro wrote: Date sent: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:27:29 -0400 From: Anthony Monteiro aa...@comcast.net Subject:[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates To: Dave Guimont dguim...@san.rr.com, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL vlfis...@mcn.net Copies to: amsat-bb@amsat.org At 07:40 PM 6/16/2010, Dave Guimont wrote: I hope we are getting great financial support from the fm'ers. I assume the reason for fm is the assumed cost of ssw/cw rigs in Dear Dave and Vince and the group, You guys have to know that I would love to put up a linear HEO and resurrect the +20 net! The reality is that AMSAT just cannot afford to pay for a HEO launch. I do think we need to work as hard as we can to find another way to get there but we haven't found a way just yet. The ARISSat-1 satellite, which many of us are hard at work on right now, will have a linear transponder but of course it is a LEO. The AMSAT-Fox project is FM because we need a replacement for AO-51 before it dies (perhaps THE most popular satellite at present) and it is hard to generate enough power from a 1U CubeSat to have a really good linear transponder. Hang in there. The world has changed and it is much more difficult than it used to be but we are trying really hard to get there. 73, Tony AA2TX AMSAT VP Engineering Just have a look at PE1RAH William Leijenaar web page http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/ and look at his nano sat transponder satellite http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/mysat2.htm Technology is there but is the AMSAT-NA mentality will change? I wrote in the past at numerous time that it's will be through an international effort amateur radio satellite launch will succeed. It's already done! Look at all the cubes sat launch in the past 5 years nothing came from an AMSAT-NA project.. here is the international effort i refer too. Yes AMSAT-NA is having projects but AMSAT-INDIA gets help from William PE1RAH for his VO-52 transponder. Just for the record AMSAT-DL is still working on an HEO P3E. There will be no salute if AMSAT-NA persist to fold on themselves trying to make his own 50 states affair as if they are too ashamed to work and i mean really work on an international cooperation base. We are in 2010 and i don't know if the AMSAT-NA BOD is aware that we are in a globalized world? Your telephone call center is in India and your cars are manufactured in Mexixo. Having the very same people always playing the musical chair in the AMSAT-NA BOD will only lead to the same old paradigm who is by definition :a philosophical and theoretical framework of a scientific school or discipline within which theories, laws, and generalizations and the experiments performed in support of them are formulated; broadly a philosophical or theoretical framework of any kind. Is it not a characterization of the past 7 years of AMSAT-NA actions? I think yes and it's lead to nothing. Will this FOX project succeed as the many past one we can only hope but IMHO we are still in the same bad tracks even if the folks involved are the most dedicated ones. ARISSAT-1 is probably the best tangible assets actually but how can we really think AMSAT-NA is only promoting his new projects on paper when peoples are actually reading stuff on their I Pod and I Pad? Is this will help them attracting new blood in the amateur radio satellite field? If the new AMSAT-NA BOD candidates are asking for inputs it's probably because they cannot provided any new ideas only refurbishing ideas from the past over and over again. For those who are not accepting criticism even the constructive ones just have the BOD implementing ways and means to work on an international satellite project will be a step in the right direction. It's my opinion and i know you shared it... - Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates
At 10:27 PM 6/16/2010 -0400, Anthony Monteiro aa...@comcast.net wrote: At 07:40 PM 6/16/2010, Dave Guimont wrote: I hope we are getting great financial support from the fm'ers. I assume the reason for fm is the assumed cost of ssw/cw rigs in Dear Dave and Vince and the group, You guys have to know that I would love to put up a linear HEO and resurrect the +20 net! Pull my finger. KB7ADL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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At 05:11 PM 6/16/2010 -0400, g0...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 16/06/2010 22:09:24 GMT Daylight Time, vlfis...@mcn.net writes: Why does everything always have to be FM all the time. KB7ADL But doesn't Arissat-1 include a linear transponder ?? David Arissat will be fun, but objects launched from the ISS don't stay in orbit all that long. The linear transponder is going to have to compete for time with all the other downlink modes experiments the bird can do. I'm thinking the linear transponder probably won't be turned on much, because it might upset the FM'ers. KB7ADL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates
Just have a look at PE1RAH William Leijenaar web page http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/ and look at his nano sat transponder satellite http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/mysat2.htm Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE It is a clever device. I've never been clear as to why AMSAT NA is not using it. Works great on the Indian satellite.. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life member AMSAT ARRL _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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At 07:59 PM 6/16/2010 -0500, Gregg Wonderly gregg...@gmail.com wrote: The important thing to remember is that radio communications must be hard to do, require extra effort, if not repeated failure as well as persecution by those who have succeeded one time before, and it is most vital that anyone with existing equipment should never be required to change gear. But those with incompatible gear must buy old stuff to meet the approval of those who have spent the past 50 years talking to the same people using the same mode and antennas to prove, repeatedly that they can say 73 and Roger while holding their mic, tuning their transceiver and switching antenna polarization all while eating a donut. ROFL, Hey you, I resemble that! Don't MAKE me use caps-lock! Pass the donuts. ;-) KB7ADL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates
Hi Rocky, The ARISSat-1 uses a linear transponder that is significantly more efficient. The COMM RX, CMD RX and the half watt output linear COMM TX only draws 420 mA at 8 VDC. The entire design can also be configured to run directly from 3.6 Vdc, which is conveniently the voltage of a Lithium Ion cell. In the absence of the battery cell (if troubles arise with the battery), it could also run directly from a pair of series connected solar cells (but not at the 0.5 watt output level), which typically run about 4.6 V. Additionally, the design can also fit into the CubeSat physical configuration. So William's design isn't there yet - at least the last I heard. So you ask, why don't we use it in FOX? Well 420 mA is still too to close to the current output capability for the typical CubeSat solar cell setup. Remember, you also need current to run the IHU, the MPPT etc. But we're always working on improving the efficient in the linear mode - so who knows. The AMSAT-UK FUNCube folks will be designing a linear U/V transponder for their CubeSat, so we'll be watching their results closely. Regards...Bill - N6GHz ARISSat Team Member Rocky Jones wrote: Just have a look at PE1RAH William Leijenaar web page http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/ and look at his nano sat transponder satellite http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/mysat2.htm Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE It is a clever device. I've never been clear as to why AMSAT NA is not using it. Works great on the Indian satellite.. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life member AMSAT ARRL _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates
Vince, When I saw the ARISSat-1 prototype operating at the Dayton Hamvention, the linear transponder, the CW beacon, and the FM telemetry/announcements/SSTV all operated *simultaneously*. Note that ARISSat-1 does not have an FM repeater mode. The FM transmitter is used alternately for telemetry, voice announcements, and slow-scan TV pictures. Gould's presentation on ARISSat-1 from the AMSAT Forum at Dayton is on the AMSAT website. It includes slides with diagrams of the uplink and downlink frequency plan, and a waterfall display of the transmitter output. The waterfall clearly shows the linear transponder, CW beacon, and the FM channel. My expectation is that the linear transponder will be operational as long as either the battery or the solar cells are providing power. 73, Steve N9IP -- Steve Belter (s...@wintek.com) My Desk: 765-269-8521 -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:07 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates At 05:11 PM 6/16/2010 -0400, g0...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 16/06/2010 22:09:24 GMT Daylight Time, vlfis...@mcn.net writes: Why does everything always have to be FM all the time. KB7ADL But doesn't Arissat-1 include a linear transponder ?? David Arissat will be fun, but objects launched from the ISS don't stay in orbit all that long. The linear transponder is going to have to compete for time with all the other downlink modes experiments the bird can do. I'm thinking the linear transponder probably won't be turned on much, because it might upset the FM'ers. KB7ADL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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I can't for the life of me understand the point in people using terms that tend to divide AMSAT into different groups or warring factions. The last thing in the world this organization needs right now is to be divided about anything. I don't think the people you derisively refer to as FM'ers would be at all upset if some type of linear transponder flew on any new bird. I think when you get right down to it, everybody wants the same thing which is a variety of sats with different mode capabilities that will interest and accommodate all sat operators. I think all of us want an HEO if at all possible. The thing is though some of us seem to be more in tune with the realities of the modern world and realize that the launches are not financially feasible. We don't live in some type of fantasy land where we think launch opportunities grow on trees. We make due with what we have and try to enjoy ourselves instead of pining away for the good old days. We try to support the BOD in whatever endeavor or direction that they feel is best for the organization right now. Do you honestly think they are lying to you when they tell you that financially feasible HEO launches are not available at present? Or that it's not possible to include a linear transponder in a cubesat which appears to be the only viable option we have for launches right now? That must be it! It must be some kind of conspiracy that has been hatched by those dastardly scourge of the earth FM'ers. :-) Right now I'm an FMer because that's all the capability I have right at present. I could have bought another TS-2000X like I used to have and be on the existing linear birds but I blew my wad on a Flex 5000 because frankly, I feel it is a far superior radio to anything else on the market. It will take me quite sometime to save the money for the upcoming V/U module that will give me linear transponder access again, maybe even a couple of years, but for now I'm I try to be happy with the capability I do have which is a portable FM sat setup. I don't think that myself or anyone else should be labeled and looked down upon for simply trying to enjoy ourselves on the birds in the best way we can. 73, Michael, W4HIJ On 6/17/2010 3:06 PM, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL wrote: At 05:11 PM 6/16/2010 -0400, g0...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 16/06/2010 22:09:24 GMT Daylight Time, vlfis...@mcn.net writes: Why does everything always have to be FM all the time. KB7ADL But doesn't Arissat-1 include a linear transponder ?? David Arissat will be fun, but objects launched from the ISS don't stay in orbit all that long. The linear transponder is going to have to compete for time with all the other downlink modes experiments the bird can do. I'm thinking the linear transponder probably won't be turned on much, because it might upset the FM'ers. KB7ADL No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2942 - Release Date: 06/16/10 14:35:00 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates
At 01:22 PM 6/16/2010 -0500, apbid...@mailaps.org wrote: It is my pleasure to announce that the following have been nominated to serve on the AMSAT Board of Directors for two year terms: Tom Clark, K3IO Lou McFadin, W5DID Tony Monteiro, AA2TX Gould Smith, WA4SXM Which of these candidates would support adding a Mode A linear transponder to FOX, or any type of linear transponder for that matter. FOX will already have a 2m receiver all you'd need to add is a 10m downlink transmitter. Use a tape measure tape for the antennas. Why does everything always have to be FM all the time. KB7ADL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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In a message dated 16/06/2010 22:09:24 GMT Daylight Time, vlfis...@mcn.net writes: Why does everything always have to be FM all the time. KB7ADL But doesn't Arissat-1 include a linear transponder ?? David ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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At 02:58 PM 6/16/2010, you wrote: At 01:22 PM 6/16/2010 -0500, apbid...@mailaps.org wrote: It is my pleasure to announce that the following have been nominated to serve on the AMSAT Board of Directors for two year terms: Tom Clark, K3IO Lou McFadin, W5DID Tony Monteiro, AA2TX Gould Smith, WA4SXM Which of these candidates would support adding a Mode A linear transponder to FOX, or any type of linear transponder for that matter. FOX will already have a 2m receiver all you'd need to add is a 10m downlink transmitter. Use a tape measure tape for the antennas. Why does everything always have to be FM all the time. Vince, I've been asking the same thing for years; as others have. I hope we are getting great financial support from the fm'ers. I assume the reason for fm is the assumed cost of ssw/cw rigs in comparison to fm. I have no idea of member numbers, but assume that graph could be made available I've never been a big donor, but I've stopped my pittances since the FM promotions 73, Dave, WB6LLO dguim...@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn Pulling for P3E... ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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To All... I just got off FO-29. It sure sounded very nice and it didn't have any pileups. I made 2 contacts with no one else heard. AMSAT-NA has been doing its best to follow through on original Phase 3 type birds, however, launches For these type birds are not an every day opportunity being presented to us. (yes, we[us] are all part of AMSAT just by being interested in satellites) Withholding donations at the present time is not really in our interests. We need funds to keep up the present offerings for satellite launches. This is the time membership should rise and show support for our future efforts. ARRISsat-1 has a linear transponder and you can Listen to Gould's presentation from Dayton find out more on the RF setup on the website. We just had a DARA matching funds campaign and I hope that Those that realize what funding can accomplish have made that a success and I personally thank those that contributed. We have the expertise to put together a great bird but limitations of actual launches holds us back. Our Engineering team Has assured us that they are ready to be called on to supply us a phase 3 comparable satellite. HEO is not a magic word, just one That is still upfront and waiting for that timely spark. If you look at the BOD candidates, when they present their thoughts and objectives just go down the list and find those fitting Your requirements for a BOD member. This is certainly a member society and exercise your selective powers when the time comes around. If you read the ANS bulletins, members were advised on giving their inputs to BOD nominees. I see a list of volunteers that provide Us with ideas we can all deal with. So as I have pronounced before, let your feelings, ideas comments be heard by those that you Intend on electing. It's your call.Hear you on the birds! 73, Dee, NB2F NJ AMSAT Coordinator Remember-Dee is really a three letter word for HEO -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dave Guimont Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:41 PM To: Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates At 02:58 PM 6/16/2010, you wrote: At 01:22 PM 6/16/2010 -0500, apbid...@mailaps.org wrote: It is my pleasure to announce that the following have been nominated to serve on the AMSAT Board of Directors for two year terms: Tom Clark, K3IO Lou McFadin, W5DID Tony Monteiro, AA2TX Gould Smith, WA4SXM Which of these candidates would support adding a Mode A linear transponder to FOX, or any type of linear transponder for that matter. FOX will already have a 2m receiver all you'd need to add is a 10m downlink transmitter. Use a tape measure tape for the antennas. Why does everything always have to be FM all the time. Vince, I've been asking the same thing for years; as others have. I hope we are getting great financial support from the fm'ers. I assume the reason for fm is the assumed cost of ssw/cw rigs in comparison to fm. I have no idea of member numbers, but assume that graph could be made available I've never been a big donor, but I've stopped my pittances since the FM promotions 73, Dave, WB6LLO dguim...@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn Pulling for P3E... ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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At 07:40 PM 6/16/2010, Dave Guimont wrote: I hope we are getting great financial support from the fm'ers. I assume the reason for fm is the assumed cost of ssw/cw rigs in Dear Dave and Vince and the group, You guys have to know that I would love to put up a linear HEO and resurrect the +20 net! The reality is that AMSAT just cannot afford to pay for a HEO launch. I do think we need to work as hard as we can to find another way to get there but we haven't found a way just yet. The ARISSat-1 satellite, which many of us are hard at work on right now, will have a linear transponder but of course it is a LEO. The AMSAT-Fox project is FM because we need a replacement for AO-51 before it dies (perhaps THE most popular satellite at present) and it is hard to generate enough power from a 1U CubeSat to have a really good linear transponder. Hang in there. The world has changed and it is much more difficult than it used to be but we are trying really hard to get there. 73, Tony AA2TX AMSAT VP Engineering ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates
Vince asked: Which of these candidates would support adding a Mode A linear transponder to FOX, or any type of linear transponder for that matter. FOX will already have a 2m receiver all you'd need to add is a 10m downlink transmitter. Use a tape measure tape for the antennas. Not very practical ides -- sorry. FOX is a 1U Cubesat, 10cm=4 on a side. Kinda hard to fit 10M dipole (which would be ~16 ft long, fed in the middle). You can't do it with a monopole because the 4 box doesn't have enough size to feed a monopole against. And with a 4 cube (even with deployable panels) we can only expect a total of a few watts (orbit average) of power. The laws of physics and engineering are rather unforgiving! 73, Tom ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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The important thing to remember is that radio communications must be hard to do, require extra effort, if not repeated failure as well as persecution by those who have succeeded one time before, and it is most vital that anyone with existing equipment should never be required to change gear. But those with incompatible gear must buy old stuff to meet the approval of those who have spent the past 50 years talking to the same people using the same mode and antennas to prove, repeatedly that they can say 73 and Roger while holding their mic, tuning their transceiver and switching antenna polarization all while eating a donut. It is important to get the facts right and not do anything that would make there be no reason to get another box of donuts for the coming week of Roger-73s. After all amateur radio is about socialization and personal communications. Gregg Wonderly W5GGW On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Dee morse...@optonline.net wrote: To All... I just got off FO-29. It sure sounded very nice and it didn't have any pileups. I made 2 contacts with no one else heard. AMSAT-NA has been doing its best to follow through on original Phase 3 type birds, however, launches For these type birds are not an every day opportunity being presented to us. (yes, we[us] are all part of AMSAT just by being interested in satellites) Withholding donations at the present time is not really in our interests. We need funds to keep up the present offerings for satellite launches. This is the time membership should rise and show support for our future efforts. ARRISsat-1 has a linear transponder and you can Listen to Gould's presentation from Dayton find out more on the RF setup on the website. We just had a DARA matching funds campaign and I hope that Those that realize what funding can accomplish have made that a success and I personally thank those that contributed. We have the expertise to put together a great bird but limitations of actual launches holds us back. Our Engineering team Has assured us that they are ready to be called on to supply us a phase 3 comparable satellite. HEO is not a magic word, just one That is still upfront and waiting for that timely spark. If you look at the BOD candidates, when they present their thoughts and objectives just go down the list and find those fitting Your requirements for a BOD member. This is certainly a member society and exercise your selective powers when the time comes around. If you read the ANS bulletins, members were advised on giving their inputs to BOD nominees. I see a list of volunteers that provide Us with ideas we can all deal with. So as I have pronounced before, let your feelings, ideas comments be heard by those that you Intend on electing. It's your call.Hear you on the birds! 73, Dee, NB2F NJ AMSAT Coordinator Remember-Dee is really a three letter word for HEO -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dave Guimont Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:41 PM To: Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates At 02:58 PM 6/16/2010, you wrote: At 01:22 PM 6/16/2010 -0500, apbid...@mailaps.org wrote: It is my pleasure to announce that the following have been nominated to serve on the AMSAT Board of Directors for two year terms: Tom Clark, K3IO Lou McFadin, W5DID Tony Monteiro, AA2TX Gould Smith, WA4SXM Which of these candidates would support adding a Mode A linear transponder to FOX, or any type of linear transponder for that matter. FOX will already have a 2m receiver all you'd need to add is a 10m downlink transmitter. Use a tape measure tape for the antennas. Why does everything always have to be FM all the time. Vince, I've been asking the same thing for years; as others have. I hope we are getting great financial support from the fm'ers. I assume the reason for fm is the assumed cost of ssw/cw rigs in comparison to fm. I have no idea of member numbers, but assume that graph could be made available I've never been a big donor, but I've stopped my pittances since the FM promotions 73, Dave, WB6LLO dguim...@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn Pulling for P3E... ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat