[amsat-bb] Re: Amsat satellite
Hi, I am sorry you feel that way as well. Lets consider the facts. First, the Obama doll was launched on a helium balloon. We could do that in a few days, if all you want is a repeater that covers a few states for a few ours. The engineering for a CubeSat which will provide reliable communications in a hostile radiation environment for years is somewhat more challenging, time consuming, and far more expensive. :) Second, getting a launch we can afford, in a useful orbit, is not a simple or quick task. Many relatively readily available orbits are equatorial with poor coverage and short lifetimes. It makes little sense to waste our time and resources there. The kind of orbits we need are not rare, but much less frequently available. Finally, there are many paths to space, and not all of them are open to AMSAT unless we partner with someone who has access. (ITAR restrictions significantly limit us as well.) Typically, it takes 18-24 months from approval to launch. AMSAT is on schedule for a launch in 9-12 months, and is working to keep the pipeline open on a more frequent basis thereafter. For those with deep pockets such as Three Letter Agencies, quick response is easier. Can AMSAT do better? Sure. In retrospect, we can think of things we could have done earlier, but then that is true of just about any undertaking of significance. Hope this clarifies some issues. 73s, Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of wa4...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:33 AM To: AMSAT Subject: [amsat-bb] Amsat satellite OK this really gets me. Go to space weather.com A dummy obama can get a free ride into space and tons of cube sats can get into space,but Amsat has to wait another year and half. All the cub sats are doing is gathering comm data and they will later ask the FCC and the gov. to sell them the 70 cm band for there LEO's Remember a few years ago the ARRL had an artical about hams losing this band to companies that wanted it for LEO bussiness communications, the same way we lost part of the 220 band This is not the way people. A dummy obama in space come on. AMSAT you have to do better Im sorry but this is how I see it WA4HFN ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
okay, moving on to more pressing matters and returning this channel to its regularly scheduled program. #500 will be selected as sequentially as possible with the post office randomly delivering the mail as they usually do and mahana is out of a job in the selection process. hummm do i accept an application based on when i receive it or when it is paid for. what if the check was forgotten in the original mail and they send it in another envelope, which postmark do i use? what if payment bounces? never mind, lets not go there. 73...bruce ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
Let's not get all wound up on this, I think to most people the only important number is #1. Certainly to be picked as #500 is nothing to write home about ;>) 73 Jeff kb2m -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:42 PM To: amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500 We already know not all the members of AMSAT or the satellite community read the messages on the AMSAT-BB. You all are assuming that every member of AMSAT has a computer and email. Unfortunately there are some that do not. If someone can answer how to give the postal submissions the same possibility of receiving number 500 as the email entries, I would be happy to do it in that way. I only go to the post office regularly once a week on my day off (tues/wed). Pulling the mail out of the box will create a random order. Did the postal person place the first one on the left or the right and did they do it the same way the next day or did they shove it between the ones there already? I can't use the post mark to determine which arrived first because one letter could have taken 2 days to reach me and another 5 days. I will have no way of knowing when the postal person put the letter in my box. Now, I have the mail out of box and am walking to the car. One or two letters might slip out of my hand in the parking lot and placed either on top of the pile or the bottom not knowing where they actually were. Then on the trip home, someone might stop short in front of me and some of the mail on the seat slides on to the floor. There would be a random selection for the person that gets number 500 simply from the events of getting the mail to my house. What if I send my daughter to pick up the mail and she comes home and there is a Priority Mail notice that has to be signed for. That person might have sent it in perfect time to be number 500 and now I have to go back to the post office to pick it up, unfortunately, I processed all the awards before going back and he now gets number 532. As those sending email submissions are date and time stamped, where do I place someone's u.s. mail submission when I only go to the post office once a week? Does that person go to the end of the line because it did not get into my house until after all the emails were received or is it assumed to have been received first and go to the top of the pile? The world is not perfect and I am just trying to make it fair for everyone. 73...bruce ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
As of a couple of weeks ago the volunteer page on the website was not working. Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239, LM-463 Website: http://k9sth.com --- On Thu, 5/21/09, David - KG4ZLB wrote: Nate's comments about volunteering (as well as Barry's comments about the same at the AMSAT Forum at Dayton this past weekend) bring up another issue though. Has the volunteer page on the website been fixed yet and for the (at least) three members (including myself) that's I know of, who have offered our services over the last 6 or so months, had our information stored?; will it be actioned and how many others have volunteered to help but heard nothing in return or been the victim of the websites broken links. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
My two cents worth. I fully agree with Tim's original response in that the numbers should be as accurate as possible and not drawn "lottery style". I also think that Bruce should maybe have not said anything at all as the potential implosion and current bickering about this could have been avoided by Bruce not saying anything and we would all have been blissfully unaware and got on with life :-D Nate's comments about volunteering (as well as Barry's comments about the same at the AMSAT Forum at Dayton this past weekend) bring up another issue though. Has the volunteer page on the website been fixed yet and for the (at least) three members (including myself) that's I know of, who have offered our services over the last 6 or so months, had our information stored?; will it be actioned and how many others have volunteered to help but heard nothing in return or been the victim of the websites broken links. Yes I know the website is maintained by a volunteer, sort of a a catch 22 isn't it? 73 David KG4ZLB Nate Duehr wrote: > > I didn't see any volunteers to do the job. Or in the more modern > vernacular: "Step up, or step off." > > Volunteer organizations exist because people volunteer. Not because > they complain about the organization or the processes the organization > uses. If all it took was votes to run a country... or AMSAT... or > anything... > > How many members in AMSAT? How many working on for for AMSAT? In a > volunteer organization, you either complain about stuff, or fix it > yourself... there's really only two choices when it comes down to it. > > > > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 21:42 -0500, Bruce wrote: > Pulling the mail out of the box will create a random order. One would assume that anyone submitting an entry will have the QSOs logged. You can work out the order in which a batch of entries hit the magic number by looking at the date and time of the 20th QSO, and if required get a copy of the logbook page and QSL card. Gordon MM3YEQ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
For all who think the AMSAT awards process should be changed: I can get away with saying it, so I will -- your elected officials have to be nicer, I suppose. (If that's the type of officials you vote for... I'll add with a grin.) I didn't see any volunteers to do the job. Or in the more modern vernacular: "Step up, or step off." For those so inclined, a Biblical phrase might also suffice: "Don't muzzle the ox while he's treading out the grain." In other words... Bruce is doing the job. Anyone thinks they can do it better, should talk to Bruce about their perfect migration plan to take it over and make their AMAZING sales pitch about how they'll make things better by at least an order of magnitude. (In other words, you better fix ALL the problems while you're at it, or it isn't worth the change.) Volunteer organizations exist because people volunteer. Not because they complain about the organization or the processes the organization uses. If all it took was votes to run a country... or AMSAT... or anything... Hams complain too much. I recently started seeing this when I started spending more time AWAY from Ham Radio and in a completely different hobby "crowd". Seriously. That group throws breakfasts that are open to the public, they invite people to come see what they're doing almost EVERY weekend (not just "Field Day"), etc. Yes, there are some ham groups that do this... AMSAT is one of the best at trying to "get the word out" that Amateur Radio & Satellites is fun. As President of a much smaller Ham group than AMSAT, I know the ratio is about 40:1. How do I know? 400 members in my organization, 10 that actually do any work. MAYBE another 10 if I'm lucky and beg a lot... so we'll call it 20:1. 19 "whiners in their recliners" and 1 person working to make it better actually works, but just barely. I appreciate the membership dues greatly from the 19, but I value that ONE person out of that 19 more than anything else in the organization. If the 19 complain and none step up to fill the one's shoes, that one pretty much gets to do things as they see fit, unless 10 of the 19 walk away because of it. How many members in AMSAT? How many working on for for AMSAT? In a volunteer organization, you either complain about stuff, or fix it yourself... there's really only two choices when it comes down to it. More interestingly in this whole thing: Only 500 awards total?! That in itself was a shocker to me... maybe I don't know the history (timeline) of the award, or maybe it's just a sign that only 500 people have ever bothered. I know I haven't... I'm an ardent fan of aerospace and everything about it (hint: The "other group" is the General Aviation community... you know, those much-maligned "small planes" that seem to magically have just started "making noise" when their airport that used to be miles from anyone, is suddenly surrounded by a wave of idiots... ahem... nice homeowners who built underneath the airport's traffic pattern? Yeah, they go BEGGING for people to come out to the airport, go flying, bring the kids out, eat some free pancakes, and see what's going on. EVERY good weather day in the summer there's a group somewhere within a few hour's drive doing a fly-in, a breakfast, a public good-will event. Hams? Field Day. Once a year. And a hamfest or two.) Anyway... as one of my friends would say, "Good on you, Bruce. Don't let the bastards get you down!" (Not implying anyone in the conversation here is a bastard... it's just my friend's phrase. Feel free to NOT do the standard Internet "thing" and read more into that than was meant. You can't hear the funny accent or get the slap on the back from my friend that would go along with it, from an e-mail, trying to cheer you up!) Thanks Bruce, and thanks to AMSAT for being there. Some of us out here know EXACTLY what it's like to volunteer -- others just wish for a better life, instead of making their own. A lot of that going on in Washington's sales pitches these days, too. I think it's WAY cool to tell someone... "Did you know I could walk out to the Jeep with you and sometime in the next hour or so, we could talk through a satellite to someone else doing the same thing somewhere else in the country? Free?" That always boggles people's minds... if they really "get it" about any of the costs or operational issues with putting a satellite in orbit. Even those who don't -- still are somewhat amazed. Let's focus on THEM and not what pieces of paper with dates and numbers we can put on the wall. I VHF contest to win, but if someone new shows up at our contest site, they're ALWAYS given some time at the rigs... even if it slows our "Q rate" down and we lose a notch in the standings, at least we go home knowing EVERYONE got to play, and we had fun. Isn't that the point of a hobby where we drag three trailers, one for towers, one for a communications/operating trailer, and at least one camper trailer to sleep
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
Hi Bruce et al, I also think that numbered awards should be issued based on the order in which they were received. Hiram Percy Maxim (the original W1AW) once said that "the most important information on a piece of paper is its date". That should apply to awards as well. 73, Jim, ND9M / VQ9JC Message: 13 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:03:37 + From: n...@bellsouth.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement ??? Award #500 To: kk...@arrl.net, "amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org" Cc: Bruce Hey Bruce (and all), I would prefer that AMSAT issue awards numbered to represent the order in which they were received. I believe doing otherwise to be inappropriate because it does not accurately reflect the true history of the award. Is anyone aware of a precedent like this involving another award - that is, that No. XXX of an award may actually not represent the XXXth application received? Something about that just doesn't seem right to me. I know that if I was submitting the 500th application - and, of course, only the awards administrator would know whether I actually WAS - I would be upset to learn that I would not be getting that 500th award - especially if someone who applied after me was awarded it. One final queston - has the AMSAT Board blessed this? I'll definitely stand corrected if appropriate, but it occurs to me that any action that would alter in any way the official statistical record of an award should at least have board review, if not formal action of approval. My apologies to anyone who's offended by my stated preference to maintain an accurate historical record. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL -- Original message from Bruce : -- > I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award > number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have > the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this > > The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just > received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After > all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one > of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate > number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order > they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could > she pull her own call?) > > The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application > for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is > available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. > Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org > Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. > > Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. > JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. > > This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions > arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last > one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your > submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been > received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment > for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if > you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will > go in the mail. > > 73...bruce > AMSAT Director Contest and Awards > > -- > > Bruce Paige, KK5DO > > AMSAT Director Contests and Awards > > ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
Bruce and everyone, I believe that every scenario you describe in this post can (and probably does) happen with virtually every other award available to any licensed amateur operator from any organization. None of them choose to use a random drawing when issuing awards. Please help me to understand how that's fair. I find irony in your comment that not every AMSAT member reads the AMSAT-BB. Have you notified all of the members who don't read the AMSAT-BB of the intention to use a random drawing? If not, then how is it fair to include an inarguably limited number of AMSAT members in the process of collecting the requisite applications to hold the drawing? Am I missing something? >From here, and given the scenarios you describe, the only fair way to issue >numbered awards is to use the same process - whatever it is - that you have >used for the first 490 - for the sake of consistency and historical accuracy. Or, we could place all the numbers issued to date in a hat and draw for a new order so that everyone gets their awards issued in consistent fashion. And, moving forward, when applications have been reviewed and approved, a random drawing be used to assign the numbers to them. It occurs to me that rules and requirements for awards can be and are changed from time to time. But that's not germain to this issue because it doesn't deal with rules or requirements but, rather, their application and evaluation. I believe strongly (in case you hadn't figured that out yet ... hihi) that consistency in application and evaluation is paramount to awards credibility, and represents the only truly fair approach. I hope consistency prevails. Otherwise, my award takes on a different - and, to me, at least, a diminished - significance. Thank you for listening. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL -- Original message from Bruce : -- > We already know not all the members of AMSAT or the satellite community > read the messages on the AMSAT-BB. You all are assuming that every > member of AMSAT has a computer and email. Unfortunately there are some > that do not. If someone can answer how to give the postal submissions > the same possibility of receiving number 500 as the email entries, I > would be happy to do it in that way. I only go to the post office > regularly once a week on my day off (tues/wed). > > Pulling the mail out of the box will create a random order. Did the > postal person place the first one on the left or the right and did they > do it the same way the next day or did they shove it between the ones > there already? I can't use the post mark to determine which arrived > first because one letter could have taken 2 days to reach me and another > 5 days. I will have no way of knowing when the postal person put the > letter in my box. > > Now, I have the mail out of box and am walking to the car. One or two > letters might slip out of my hand in the parking lot and placed either > on top of the pile or the bottom not knowing where they actually were. > Then on the trip home, someone might stop short in front of me and some > of the mail on the seat slides on to the floor. There would be a random > selection for the person that gets number 500 simply from the events of > getting the mail to my house. > > What if I send my daughter to pick up the mail and she comes home and > there is a Priority Mail notice that has to be signed for. That person > might have sent it in perfect time to be number 500 and now I have to go > back to the post office to pick it up, unfortunately, I processed all > the awards before going back and he now gets number 532. > > As those sending email submissions are date and time stamped, where do I > place someone's u.s. mail submission when I only go to the post office > once a week? Does that person go to the end of the line because it did > not get into my house until after all the emails were received or is it > assumed to have been received first and go to the top of the pile? > > The world is not perfect and I am just trying to make it fair for everyone. > > 73...bruce > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
We already know not all the members of AMSAT or the satellite community read the messages on the AMSAT-BB. You all are assuming that every member of AMSAT has a computer and email. Unfortunately there are some that do not. If someone can answer how to give the postal submissions the same possibility of receiving number 500 as the email entries, I would be happy to do it in that way. I only go to the post office regularly once a week on my day off (tues/wed). Pulling the mail out of the box will create a random order. Did the postal person place the first one on the left or the right and did they do it the same way the next day or did they shove it between the ones there already? I can't use the post mark to determine which arrived first because one letter could have taken 2 days to reach me and another 5 days. I will have no way of knowing when the postal person put the letter in my box. Now, I have the mail out of box and am walking to the car. One or two letters might slip out of my hand in the parking lot and placed either on top of the pile or the bottom not knowing where they actually were. Then on the trip home, someone might stop short in front of me and some of the mail on the seat slides on to the floor. There would be a random selection for the person that gets number 500 simply from the events of getting the mail to my house. What if I send my daughter to pick up the mail and she comes home and there is a Priority Mail notice that has to be signed for. That person might have sent it in perfect time to be number 500 and now I have to go back to the post office to pick it up, unfortunately, I processed all the awards before going back and he now gets number 532. As those sending email submissions are date and time stamped, where do I place someone's u.s. mail submission when I only go to the post office once a week? Does that person go to the end of the line because it did not get into my house until after all the emails were received or is it assumed to have been received first and go to the top of the pile? The world is not perfect and I am just trying to make it fair for everyone. 73...bruce ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
Tim is absolutely right!! You might as well leave numbers off the award as they obviously don't mean anything. Al W8KHP ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
Hey Gould ... and all, Since I already have my award, maybe I shouldn't even have commented. I stand by my earlier statement - any method of assigning awards other than in the order they were received eliminates any claim of historical accuracy to the award(s) in question. We'll have to agree to disagree on supporting a decision that, for me, lessens the value of owning the award in question. "Wow, you have Satellite Achievemnet Award No. 500. That's really cool to be the 500th person to get that award." "Thanks. But I can't tell you I was the 500th person. I was somewhere between 490 and 510, but I won the drawing they held." Please - somebody - help me to understand how that has any positive impact on the credibility of the award and/or the significance of award No. 500. If this drawing is held, somebody also please help me to understand how any of us who have - or will have - the award will know with certainty that the number we receive represents the true order of application. Am I really the 473rd person whose application was received, reviewed and approved for the award? I'm pleased that Ernie, W8EH, was moved by Bruce's post to check his cards and see that he qualified. Congratulations Ernie! Way to go. Here, I am well over the number necessary for the Sexigesimal Award. I'm not nearly as inclined to apply for it now as I was 24 hours ago - if there's no REAL significance to the number on the award. That's what a "No. 500 Drawing" tells me ... that there is no REAL significance to the number on the award. I'll apologize again if my preference to adhere to historical accuracy offends and/or irritates anyone. If this drawing is held, I believe that very act diminishes this particular award and AMSAT's awards program in general. Thanks, too, Gould, for clarifying that this is not a Board decision. We'll have to agree to disagree that holding a drawing to determine the order of awards represents a good idea. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL -- Original message from "Gould Smith" : -- > As VP of User Services, the team and I welcome input from the membership. > > Bruce has been a long term Director of Contests and Awards. As far as I > know there have been no questions about the order that the other 489 AMSAT > Satellite Communications Achievement Awards have been assigned. Bruce has > this position because he is reliable, makes good decisions and does all of > the work. > This is not a board level decision. > As VP of User Services, which includes Contests and Awards, I have full > confidence in Bruce's decision making. This clever idea generates interest > and is fun. So award on Bruce. > > 73, > Gould, WA4SXM > - Original Message - > From: "Bruce" > To: "amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org" > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:24 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500 > > > I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award > number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have > the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this > > The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just > received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After > all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one > of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate > number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order > they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could > she pull her own call?) > > The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application > for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is > available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. > Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org > Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. > > Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. > JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. > > This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions > arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last > one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your > submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been > received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment > for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if > you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will > go in the mail. > > 73...bruce > AMSAT Director Contest and Awards > > -- > > Bruce Paige, KK5DO > > AMSAT Director Contests and Awards > > ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE > > Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on SkyScanner Satellite Radio Network on > Galaxy-25 @97° West, > Transponder 23 (12115 Vert), Symbol Rate: 22425, APID: 1794 (DVB Free To > A
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
I also agree with Tim. 73, Dave Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: n...@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:03:37 To: ; amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org Cc: Bruce Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500 Hey Bruce (and all), I would prefer that AMSAT issue awards numbered to represent the order in which they were received. I believe doing otherwise to be inappropriate because it does not accurately reflect the true history of the award. Is anyone aware of a precedent like this involving another award - that is, that No. XXX of an award may actually not represent the XXXth application received? Something about that just doesn't seem right to me. I know that if I was submitting the 500th application - and, of course, only the awards administrator would know whether I actually WAS - I would be upset to learn that I would not be getting that 500th award - especially if someone who applied after me was awarded it. One final queston - has the AMSAT Board blessed this? I'll definitely stand corrected if appropriate, but it occurs to me that any action that would alter in any way the official statistical record of an award should at least have board review, if not formal action of approval. My apologies to anyone who's offended by my stated preference to maintain an accurate historical record. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL -- Original message from Bruce : -- > I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award > number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have > the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this > > The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just > received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After > all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one > of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate > number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order > they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could > she pull her own call?) > > The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application > for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is > available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. > Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org > Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. > > Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. > JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. > > This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions > arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last > one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your > submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been > received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment > for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if > you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will > go in the mail. > > 73...bruce > AMSAT Director Contest and Awards > > -- > > Bruce Paige, KK5DO > > AMSAT Director Contests and Awards > > ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE > > Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on SkyScanner Satellite Radio Network on > Galaxy-25 > @97° West, > Transponder 23 (12115 Vert), Symbol Rate: 22425, APID: 1794 (DVB Free To Air) > Also streaming MP3 athttp://www.amsatnet.com > Podcast athttp://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes > > Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News > http://www.arrl.org > > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
I have to agree with Tim. Ernie - You had a 1:10 chance before the drawing was implemented, if your application was submitted in time. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Ernie wrote: > I like the plan that Bruce came up with. It got me to check my cards and > I found more than enough to apply for the award. And now I might have a > one in 20 chance to get the number 500 on my award. > > Thanks Bruce good idea. > > Ernie W8EH > > > > Bruce wrote: > > I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award > > number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have > > the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this > > > > The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just > > received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After > > all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one > > of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate > > number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order > > they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could > > she pull her own call?) > > > > The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application > > for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is > > available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. > > Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org > > Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. > > > > Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. > > JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. > > > > This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions > > arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last > > one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your > > submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been > > received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment > > for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if > > you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will > > go in the mail. > > > > 73...bruce > > AMSAT Director Contest and Awards > > > > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > -- Trey -- N5THX "Freedom is the natural yearning of the human spirit as we were endowed by our Creator." ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
As VP of User Services, the team and I welcome input from the membership. Bruce has been a long term Director of Contests and Awards. As far as I know there have been no questions about the order that the other 489 AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Awards have been assigned. Bruce has this position because he is reliable, makes good decisions and does all of the work. This is not a board level decision. As VP of User Services, which includes Contests and Awards, I have full confidence in Bruce's decision making. This clever idea generates interest and is fun. So award on Bruce. 73, Gould, WA4SXM - Original Message - From: "Bruce" To: "amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500 I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could she pull her own call?) The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will go in the mail. 73...bruce AMSAT Director Contest and Awards -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on SkyScanner Satellite Radio Network on Galaxy-25 @97° West, Transponder 23 (12115 Vert), Symbol Rate: 22425, APID: 1794 (DVB Free To Air) Also streaming MP3 athttp://www.amsatnet.com Podcast athttp://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
I like the plan that Bruce came up with. It got me to check my cards and I found more than enough to apply for the award. And now I might have a one in 20 chance to get the number 500 on my award. Thanks Bruce good idea. Ernie W8EH Bruce wrote: > I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award > number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have > the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this > > The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just > received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After > all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one > of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate > number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order > they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could > she pull her own call?) > > The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application > for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is > available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. > Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org > Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. > > Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. > JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. > > This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions > arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last > one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your > submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been > received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment > for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if > you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will > go in the mail. > > 73...bruce > AMSAT Director Contest and Awards > > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
I have to agree with Tim on this. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:03, wrote: > Hey Bruce (and all), > > I would prefer that AMSAT issue awards numbered to represent the order in > which they were received. > > I believe doing otherwise to be inappropriate because it does not > accurately reflect the true history of the award. > > Is anyone aware of a precedent like this involving another award - that is, > that No. XXX of an award may actually not represent the XXXth application > received? Something about that just doesn't seem right to me. > > I know that if I was submitting the 500th application - and, of course, > only the awards administrator would know whether I actually WAS - I would be > upset to learn that I would not be getting that 500th award - especially if > someone who applied after me was awarded it. > > One final queston - has the AMSAT Board blessed this? I'll definitely stand > corrected if appropriate, but it occurs to me that any action that would > alter in any way the official statistical record of an award should at least > have board review, if not formal action of approval. > > My apologies to anyone who's offended by my stated preference to maintain > an accurate historical record. > > 73 to all, > > Tim - N3TL > -- Original message from Bruce : > -- > > > > I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award > > number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have > > the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this > > > > The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just > > received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After > > all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one > > of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate > > number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order > > they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could > > she pull her own call?) > > > > The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application > > for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is > > available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. > > Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org > > Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. > > > > Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. > > JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. > > > > This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions > > arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last > > one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your > > submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been > > received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment > > for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if > > you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will > > go in the mail. > > > > 73...bruce > > AMSAT Director Contest and Awards > > > > -- > > > > Bruce Paige, KK5DO > > > > AMSAT Director Contests and Awards > > > > ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE > > > > Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on SkyScanner Satellite Radio Network on > Galaxy-25 > > @97° West, > > Transponder 23 (12115 Vert), Symbol Rate: 22425, APID: 1794 (DVB Free To > Air) > > Also streaming MP3 athttp://www.amsatnet.com > > Podcast athttp://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes > > > > Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News > > http://www.arrl.org > > > > > > > > ___ > > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > -- Kent K5KNT AMSAT #36765 ARRL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
I have to agree with Tim. 73 de Tim. K4SHF Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: n...@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:03:37 To: ; amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org Cc: Bruce Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500 Hey Bruce (and all), I would prefer that AMSAT issue awards numbered to represent the order in which they were received. I believe doing otherwise to be inappropriate because it does not accurately reflect the true history of the award. Is anyone aware of a precedent like this involving another award - that is, that No. XXX of an award may actually not represent the XXXth application received? Something about that just doesn't seem right to me. I know that if I was submitting the 500th application - and, of course, only the awards administrator would know whether I actually WAS - I would be upset to learn that I would not be getting that 500th award - especially if someone who applied after me was awarded it. One final queston - has the AMSAT Board blessed this? I'll definitely stand corrected if appropriate, but it occurs to me that any action that would alter in any way the official statistical record of an award should at least have board review, if not formal action of approval. My apologies to anyone who's offended by my stated preference to maintain an accurate historical record. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL -- Original message from Bruce : -- > I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award > number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have > the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this > > The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just > received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After > all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one > of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate > number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order > they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could > she pull her own call?) > > The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application > for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is > available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. > Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org > Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. > > Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. > JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. > > This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions > arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last > one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your > submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been > received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment > for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if > you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will > go in the mail. > > 73...bruce > AMSAT Director Contest and Awards > > -- > > Bruce Paige, KK5DO > > AMSAT Director Contests and Awards > > ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE > > Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on SkyScanner Satellite Radio Network on > Galaxy-25 > @97° West, > Transponder 23 (12115 Vert), Symbol Rate: 22425, APID: 1794 (DVB Free To Air) > Also streaming MP3 athttp://www.amsatnet.com > Podcast athttp://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes > > Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News > http://www.arrl.org > > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
Hey Bruce (and all), I would prefer that AMSAT issue awards numbered to represent the order in which they were received. I believe doing otherwise to be inappropriate because it does not accurately reflect the true history of the award. Is anyone aware of a precedent like this involving another award - that is, that No. XXX of an award may actually not represent the XXXth application received? Something about that just doesn't seem right to me. I know that if I was submitting the 500th application - and, of course, only the awards administrator would know whether I actually WAS - I would be upset to learn that I would not be getting that 500th award - especially if someone who applied after me was awarded it. One final queston - has the AMSAT Board blessed this? I'll definitely stand corrected if appropriate, but it occurs to me that any action that would alter in any way the official statistical record of an award should at least have board review, if not formal action of approval. My apologies to anyone who's offended by my stated preference to maintain an accurate historical record. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL -- Original message from Bruce : -- > I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award > number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have > the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this > > The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just > received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After > all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one > of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate > number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order > they submitted. (H... Mahana never submitted for this award, could > she pull her own call?) > > The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application > for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is > available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. > Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org > Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin. > > Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. > JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size. > > This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions > arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last > one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your > submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been > received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment > for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if > you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will > go in the mail. > > 73...bruce > AMSAT Director Contest and Awards > > -- > > Bruce Paige, KK5DO > > AMSAT Director Contests and Awards > > ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE > > Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on SkyScanner Satellite Radio Network on > Galaxy-25 > @97° West, > Transponder 23 (12115 Vert), Symbol Rate: 22425, APID: 1794 (DVB Free To Air) > Also streaming MP3 athttp://www.amsatnet.com > Podcast athttp://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes > > Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News > http://www.arrl.org > > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
