Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Arieh Schneier]

It used to be used to tell which system you were using, which basically
meant which platform you were on. I specifically remembered it being in
dock.tcl, but the history seems to have been lost on that file? Did someone
delete it and then restore it? It was used as an integer as there was a drop
down menu which you could select and say this is my dock system. That was
removed for a much more robust system which just checked which platform you
were on.
I found the diffs, its was done in revision 5161 (from this link you can
still get the history on dock.tcl prior to its restoration after being
deleted - as well as the other 3 files in the changelist):
http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/amsn?view=rev&revision=5161


- Original Message From: "Youness Alaoui" - 
> On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 03:18:15PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > can anyone check the use of the traydock ? look at the forum thread
> > > http://amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3175
> > > it looks like rev 8486 broke the tray dock for many people, it's
because the diff on that rev was adding a :
> > > if { [config::getKey dock] == 0 } {return }
> > > and I'm guessins that some people had the option set to 0 for some
reason..
> >
> > Yes, I had this too on my testaccount. No idea what's causing it though.
I
> > manually set it to 1 and I'm having no problems...
> >
>
> yeah, it was an old variable for sure and it must have been set to 0 for
some reason and was kept in your config
> as 0...
>
> > > I just grepped and it looks like that variable is used at some places
> > > and now I'm thinking maybe it was used for something else...
> >
> > Where is it used? I just grepped too (after the grepping I had done when
I
> > readded the option) and got no results... we do have some other
> > dock-related config values, but not this one...
> >
>
> humm, you're right, I thought I saw more, weird.. anyways, there's a
reference to it in the 'amsn' file, that's
> all I could find (very bad I think since it doesn't care of any profile
change!!)
>
> > > it could also be that it was used before but wasn't a boolean value,
> > > like 0 means freedesktop, 1 meant gnomedock, 2 meant windows dock, -1
> > > meant disabled...
> >
> > Yes, could be... I found this code:
> >
> > if {[::config::getKey startontray]} {
> > if {[::config::getKey dock]!=0} {
> > wm state . withdrawn
> > set ishidden 1
> > } else {
> > wm state . iconic
> > }
> > } else {
> > wm state . normal
> > }
> >
> > Does anyone remember where it was used?
> >
>
> well, look here  :
> config.tcl: ::config::setKey dock 1
;#Docking type
> config.tcl: ::config::setKey dock 1
> config.tcl: #::config::setKey dock 4
;#Set docking to type 4 (windows)
>
> first, it says "docking type", second, it's there twice (you probably
added it while it was already there), and
> finally, although it's commented, you can see that 'dock' was used as the
docking type and for windows it was 4,
> and it was probably other things (we had multiple extensions, we had a
gnome1 dock, and we had a freedesktop
> dock extension (the current libtray), + windows + none.. )
> so for sure, the variable was used before and we shouldn't reuse that var
because many people probably have the
> variable set to 0 and hidden in their config, so we should use something
like 'enable_tray' or whatever to make
> sure everyone starts off with the default value 1, and not some other
value that was stored long ago..
>
> > > could someone please look into this and see what the variable is used
> > > for in the other files when you do a grep on it (do a grep on dock,
then
> > > pipe it to a grep on config). If the variable is wrongly chosen, it
> > > should be renamed like 'enable_tray' or something else that isn't
> > > already used.
> >
> > What do you mean exactly?
> >
> > I had performed this search and it seems this variable didn't exist, and
I
> > just tested again now. It was only used in the piece of code I pasted
> > above.
> >
>
> it did exist.. see above... and btw, the withdraw thing, it should
probably not be done that way, it should be
> in the code handling the dock, because people without 'X11' libraries will
not compile libtray, and they launch
> amsn, so we check 'dock == 1 -> wm state . withdraw' but no tray icon ever
appears because libtray is not
> compiled so people will not see anything, and that's an issue I've seen a
few people report in the forums..
> we should do the 'start in tray' check inside the code that creates the
tray or something and AFTER we made sure
> it got created successfully...
>
> > Viv
> >
>
> Thanks! and here I thought noone read my mail :p welcome back :)
>
> KKRT
>


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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Youness Alaoui]

We can "leave it as it is" because the feature is SO immature right now, if M$ 
fixes their server, all our users 
will get bugs with spaces.. so it's either finish it, or remove it.. and 
finishing it, we cant' really do that 
until we can test...
and putting a note in readme/installer.. lol, who reads that? :p

I also think the feature is too early in development to be included in 0.97 and 
I would really like to remove 
it.. as Tom said, it's a nicety, not a necessity. 

KaKaRoTo


On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 06:41:15PM +1200, majinsoftware wrote:
> I say leave it as it is so when MS fixs there server it should work fine
> with out any thing being downloaded or patched, But a option to disable it
> should be in the settings and it should be disabled by default intill the
> server has been fixed.
> 
> Just put a note in the readme or the installer that says that spaces are not
> working because MS server has a problem.
> 
> On 5/3/07, Tom Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I think we should disable spaces support until the next release (be
> >it the 0.97.1 if M$ get their brains in gear, or 0.98). As you say
> >it's not a hugely wanted feature, and I think most users see it as a
> >"nicety" (M$ Messenger has it, so aMSN has it too!) rather than a
> >"necessity".
> >
> >- Tom
> >
> >On 2 May 2007, at 18:14, NoWhereMan wrote:
> >
> >> Youness Alaoui wrote:
> >>> Here's the complete TODO for 0.97.. we want to get 0.97 out as soon
> >>> as possible, I would have had enough time to do it lately but I'm
> >>> very busy these last days, so... let's try to cut this thing down..
> >>> we have 4 items,
> >>> - support msn spaces
> >>>  yeah, ok, that's the big one, but hey, it's not working anymore
> >>
> >>
> >> spaces support in WLM is totally "teh suxxorz". It sucks so hard I
> >> don't
> >> really mind about it even with the official client, where I don't
> >> get the
> >> binking gleam anymore, too because I should "subscribe" for each
> >> contact. As
> >> I didn't like it from the beginning, but I just liked the (not very
> >> useful,
> >> but nice to see) contact card thing. Now I don't really mind. I
> >> don't like
> >> as it is implemented now. I used to click to see my contact's
> >> avatar bigger
> >> in size, but now even in ccard  is small, so who cares?
> >>
> >> My two cents
> >>
> >> bye
> >>
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Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Youness Alaoui]

Yep, just as I remember it.. which is why I ask again.. can someone please 
rename it to something else, like 
enable_tray... and also check what's that 'dock' option used for in the other 
files..

KKRT

On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:49:12AM +1000, Arieh Schneier wrote:
> It used to be used to tell which system you were using, which basically
> meant which platform you were on. I specifically remembered it being in
> dock.tcl, but the history seems to have been lost on that file? Did someone
> delete it and then restore it? It was used as an integer as there was a drop
> down menu which you could select and say this is my dock system. That was
> removed for a much more robust system which just checked which platform you
> were on.
> I found the diffs, its was done in revision 5161 (from this link you can
> still get the history on dock.tcl prior to its restoration after being
> deleted - as well as the other 3 files in the changelist):
> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/amsn?view=rev&revision=5161
> 
> 
> - Original Message From: "Youness Alaoui" - 
> > On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 03:18:15PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > can anyone check the use of the traydock ? look at the forum thread
> > > > http://amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3175
> > > > it looks like rev 8486 broke the tray dock for many people, it's
> because the diff on that rev was adding a :
> > > > if { [config::getKey dock] == 0 } {return }
> > > > and I'm guessins that some people had the option set to 0 for some
> reason..
> > >
> > > Yes, I had this too on my testaccount. No idea what's causing it though.
> I
> > > manually set it to 1 and I'm having no problems...
> > >
> >
> > yeah, it was an old variable for sure and it must have been set to 0 for
> some reason and was kept in your config
> > as 0...
> >
> > > > I just grepped and it looks like that variable is used at some places
> > > > and now I'm thinking maybe it was used for something else...
> > >
> > > Where is it used? I just grepped too (after the grepping I had done when
> I
> > > readded the option) and got no results... we do have some other
> > > dock-related config values, but not this one...
> > >
> >
> > humm, you're right, I thought I saw more, weird.. anyways, there's a
> reference to it in the 'amsn' file, that's
> > all I could find (very bad I think since it doesn't care of any profile
> change!!)
> >
> > > > it could also be that it was used before but wasn't a boolean value,
> > > > like 0 means freedesktop, 1 meant gnomedock, 2 meant windows dock, -1
> > > > meant disabled...
> > >
> > > Yes, could be... I found this code:
> > >
> > > if {[::config::getKey startontray]} {
> > > if {[::config::getKey dock]!=0} {
> > > wm state . withdrawn
> > > set ishidden 1
> > > } else {
> > > wm state . iconic
> > > }
> > > } else {
> > > wm state . normal
> > > }
> > >
> > > Does anyone remember where it was used?
> > >
> >
> > well, look here  :
> > config.tcl: ::config::setKey dock 1
> ;#Docking type
> > config.tcl: ::config::setKey dock 1
> > config.tcl: #::config::setKey dock 4
> ;#Set docking to type 4 (windows)
> >
> > first, it says "docking type", second, it's there twice (you probably
> added it while it was already there), and
> > finally, although it's commented, you can see that 'dock' was used as the
> docking type and for windows it was 4,
> > and it was probably other things (we had multiple extensions, we had a
> gnome1 dock, and we had a freedesktop
> > dock extension (the current libtray), + windows + none.. )
> > so for sure, the variable was used before and we shouldn't reuse that var
> because many people probably have the
> > variable set to 0 and hidden in their config, so we should use something
> like 'enable_tray' or whatever to make
> > sure everyone starts off with the default value 1, and not some other
> value that was stored long ago..
> >
> > > > could someone please look into this and see what the variable is used
> > > > for in the other files when you do a grep on it (do a grep on dock,
> then
> > > > pipe it to a grep on config). If the variable is wrongly chosen, it
> > > > should be renamed like 'enable_tray' or something else that isn't
> > > > already used.
> > >
> > > What do you mean exactly?
> > >
> > > I had performed this search and it seems this variable didn't exist, and
> I
> > > just tested again now. It was only used in the piece of code I pasted
> > > above.
> > >
> >
> > it did exist.. see above... and btw, the withdraw thing, it should
> probably not be done that way, it should be
> > in the code handling the dock, because people without 'X11' libraries will
> not compile libtray, and they launch
> > amsn, so we check 'dock == 1 -> wm state . withdraw' but no tray icon ever
> appears because libtray is not
> > com

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Yoda-BZH - Tristan Charbonneau]

Hello
IMO, this feature should be left disabled, and you will enable it in a
release like 0.97.xx or something like that, otherwise you'll get a
lot of people complaining that it doesn't works.
Maybe you'll have to patch/correct the code to get spaces go to work
out-of-the-box, but I pray that you won't have to do so.
When this new release will be ready, the notification will tell (?)
the user that a new release is aviable.

And yes, too few people read the README :s

My two « centimes d'euro »

On 5/3/07, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We can "leave it as it is" because the feature is SO immature right now, if 
> M$ fixes their server, all our users
> will get bugs with spaces.. so it's either finish it, or remove it.. and 
> finishing it, we cant' really do that
> until we can test...
> and putting a note in readme/installer.. lol, who reads that? :p
>
> I also think the feature is too early in development to be included in 0.97 
> and I would really like to remove
> it.. as Tom said, it's a nicety, not a necessity.
>
> KaKaRoTo
>
>
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 06:41:15PM +1200, majinsoftware wrote:
> > I say leave it as it is so when MS fixs there server it should work fine
> > with out any thing being downloaded or patched, But a option to disable it
> > should be in the settings and it should be disabled by default intill the
> > server has been fixed.
> >
> > Just put a note in the readme or the installer that says that spaces are not
> > working because MS server has a problem.
> >
> > On 5/3/07, Tom Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >I think we should disable spaces support until the next release (be
> > >it the 0.97.1 if M$ get their brains in gear, or 0.98). As you say
> > >it's not a hugely wanted feature, and I think most users see it as a
> > >"nicety" (M$ Messenger has it, so aMSN has it too!) rather than a
> > >"necessity".
> > >
> > >- Tom
> > >
> > >On 2 May 2007, at 18:14, NoWhereMan wrote:
> > >
> > >> Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > >>> Here's the complete TODO for 0.97.. we want to get 0.97 out as soon
> > >>> as possible, I would have had enough time to do it lately but I'm
> > >>> very busy these last days, so... let's try to cut this thing down..
> > >>> we have 4 items,
> > >>> - support msn spaces
> > >>>  yeah, ok, that's the big one, but hey, it's not working anymore
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> spaces support in WLM is totally "teh suxxorz". It sucks so hard I
> > >> don't
> > >> really mind about it even with the official client, where I don't
> > >> get the
> > >> binking gleam anymore, too because I should "subscribe" for each
> > >> contact. As
> > >> I didn't like it from the beginning, but I just liked the (not very
> > >> useful,
> > >> but nice to see) contact card thing. Now I don't really mind. I
> > >> don't like
> > >> as it is implemented now. I used to click to see my contact's
> > >> avatar bigger
> > >> in size, but now even in ccard  is small, so who cares?
> > >>
> > >> My two cents
> > >>
> > >> bye
> > >>
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Youness Alaoui]

I very much like the smileys you did... but I really don't know if we should 
change yet once again our whole 
smiley set.. changing smileys is difficult for the users who have to get used 
to the new smileys.. we changed 
then once from the M$ copyrighted images, now we change them again.. what would 
users think ? If you could maybe 
make them look AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE the same as the M$ ones.. no 'fancy' or 
'better' or whatever.. just making 
them look like the M$ ones (which are nice), so people won't get confused and 
have to readapt themselves to a 
new smiley set...
apart from that, good job! 

POLL :
1 - keep the old smiley set

2 - a new smiley set however it looks

3 - a new smiley set looking as much as possible as the M$ smileys

4 - confused???
KaKaRoTo


KKRT


On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 03:28:37PM -0300, "Gustavo A. Dí­az" wrote:
> Good then! i like those Smiles expresion ;)
> 
> Lord Zak escribió:
> >Right... I'm trying to do them all to night for the main ones (smileys 
> >with a face), and I'll send the .svg.
> >They will look like something like that (see file) ; I'll change the 
> >color, and make .svg more clean ; like that, it will me easier for you 
> >to edit them as you want... They're very simple, I hope it will be ok
> >
> >
> >2007/5/2, "Gustavo A. Dí­az" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >>:
> >
> >Very Good! Now if you want, make the hole set, and i could help
> >you to improve it.
> >
> >Lord Zak escribió:
> >>For the skin I'm trying to do the smileys... Is something like
> >>that okay ?
> >>
> >>2007/5/2, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>:
> >>
> >>Here's the complete TODO for 0.97.. we want to get 0.97 out
> >>as soon as possible, I would have had enough time to
> >>do it lately but I'm very busy these last days, so... let's
> >>try to cut this thing down..
> >>we have 4 items,
> >>- support msn spaces
> >>  yeah, ok, that's the big one, but hey, it's not working
> >>anymore really.. the msn server for spaces is not
> >>working anymore for protocols earlier than msnp13.. so even
> >>msn 7.5 is broken now, we can't get the spaces info,
> >>so we can't display anything.. so what should we do ? wait
> >>until M$ fixes it so we can start implementing it? or
> >>shoul we just drop the feature for 0.97 (who know when
> >>they'll fix it for 'earlier versions'). Anyways, look at
> >>the poll results from the main site, spaces are the least
> >>wanted feature.. I vote for dropping it for now, and
> >>either get a 0.97.1 with spaces support, or 0.98 with
> >>spaces... (if M$ fixes their server)
> >>
> >>- finish the skin
> >>  the skin looks good now! what remains ? we need to know
> >>exactly what we still need to fix in the skin so we
> >>can release ASAP... I know the sounds must be changed, I
> >>think the smiley set should be restored to the
> >>stylistic ones (if not already done) and I think the colors
> >>in the CL for away/online/busy/etc.. should be made
> >>to be as they were before with stylistic... apart from that,
> >>I don't know what else remains.. (maybe make the
> >>group's frame a lighter blue ?)
> >>
> >>- update FAQ..
> >>  yeah.. can be done between RC1 and final
> >>
> >>- fix bug with the icons
> >>  shouldn't this be fixed already ? I see the code for it, I
> >>just don't know if it's working.. can anyone
> >>confirm ? if it's done, then this should be removed...
> >>
> >>
> >>In short, we want the detailed TODO for the skin and we want
> >>a vote on dropping the spaces support or delaying
> >>the release again...
> >>
> >>KaKaRoTo
> >>
> >>New Complete 0.97 TODO:
> >>- Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/
> >>kakaroto) (finish the UI)
> >>- Finish the new Skin
> >>- Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
> >>update everything with new screenshots)
> >>- Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be
> >>'catch'-ed
> >>and fallback on old method.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Youness Alaoui]

Removed :
- Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto) (finish 
the UI)
 The task is not done, it's been dropped from the TODO because of issues with 
the M$ servers and because the 
feature is too young/immature to be ready/stable in an acceptable timeframe for 
the 0.97 release

Added :
- Add new smileys for the *help, *9million, etc.. all those new "IM" things 
Comment : MSN started this in order to help charity 
organisation or something.. WLM considers these keywords as being smileys, so 
we should add them and it would 
fix our issue... (hidden must be = true in the settings.xml so they won't 
apepar in the smiley selector)



New Complete 0.97 TODO:
- Add new smileys for the *help, *9million, etc.. all those new "IM" things 
- Finish the new Skin
- Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
update everything with new screenshots)
- Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
and fallback on old method.


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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

> - Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
> update everything with new screenshots)

We don't need --enable-pwc anymore IIRC? We just need to make sure UVC 
webcams work at the moment... see the email from David Girault where he 
said they don't?... Anyway, mine still works :D

> - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
> and fallback on old method.

I had done this part and all that remained was to make the icons with 256 
colors, right? Then Phil made them all 16x16 ... Phil, do these icons work 
OK on w2k? If so, please remove this TODO item...

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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

POLL :
1 - keep the old smiley set

2 - a new smiley set however it looks

3 - a new smiley set looking as much as possible as the M$ smileys

4 - confused???
KaKaRoTo
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Boris Faure (aka billiob)]

Complete 0.97 TODO:
- Add new smileys for the *help, *9mil, etc.. all those new "IM" things
(list is *sierra *bgca *9mil *hsus *komen *one *mssoc *care *acs
*oxfam *mod *help *red+u *unicef *wwf *naf )
- Hide quoted text -
- Finish the new Skin
- Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
update everything with new screenshots)
- Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
and fallback on old method.


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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Boris Faure (aka billiob)]

Complete 0.97 TODO:
- Add new smileys for the *help, *9mil, etc.. all those new "IM" things
(list is *sierra *bgca *9mil *hsus *komen *one *mssoc *care *acs
*oxfam *mod *help *red+u *unicef *wwf *naf )
- Finish the new Skin
- Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
update everything with new screenshots)
- Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
and fallback on old method.


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Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:

> Yep, just as I remember it.. which is why I ask again.. can someone 
> please rename it to something else, like enable_tray...

Changed, now it's called use_tray

> and also check what's that 'dock' option used for in the other files..

Nothing afaik

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Re: [Amsn-devel] voiceclip patch

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

Committed, looks good, thanx a lot for the contribution :)

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, square87 wrote:

> Hello.
> This patch should fix this errors:
> 
> 1) if we receive a voiceclip and the window is not open, we receive an error
> (i reported it, Id number is: 230718. I reported it twice sorry :-S)
> 2) sometimes if we receive/send a voiceclip we see the first greenline and
> voiceicone pic on the same line.
> 
> Thanks
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> 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Userstatus plugin and multichat

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

Thanx, committing... with a looong delay... :)

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, square87 wrote:

> Hello.
> With this diff userstatus plugin should allow to work also in multichat.
> I have written a proc for my _plugin_ (amsnlogplus) and i have incorporated
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

> - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
> and fallback on old method.

OK, I just tested on w2k... and it's WEIRD. The icons show OK on Windows 
Explorer's preview, as well as when I open them with AX-Icons, but on the 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,

Vivia Nikolaidou a écrit :
>> - Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
>> update everything with new screenshots)
> 
> We don't need --enable-pwc anymore IIRC? We just need to make sure UVC 
> webcams work at the moment... see the email from David Girault where he 
> said they don't?... Anyway, mine still works :D
As he didn't say anything more I think he managed to make it work...
No news good news ;)
> 
>> - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
>> and fallback on old method.
> 
> I had done this part and all that remained was to make the icons with 256 
> colors, right? Then Phil made them all 16x16 ... Phil, do these icons work 
> OK on w2k? If so, please remove this TODO item...
I fixed that : should work OK on W2K (I can't test) but 8bits...

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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Ooops sorry not saw this mail before I replied...
So that's not wierd ;)
W2K tray doesn't take icon palette into account... We should find
anything else... They use the Windows palette.
Phil

Vivia Nikolaidou a écrit :
>> - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
>> and fallback on old method.
> 
> OK, I just tested on w2k... and it's WEIRD. The icons show OK on Windows 
> Explorer's preview, as well as when I open them with AX-Icons, but on the 
> tray they look awful. Seems that the tray can only display a few colors :(
> 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Nono,
that should be done as a plugin to bring these smileys to all skins...
Thta's not complicated at all : just steal a bit of code from
ColouredNicks plugin...
Phil
PS Hum just remebered that I waited for a new release of ColouredNicks
plugin... So bad that the developper is busy... I hope it to be finished
for aMSN0.97RC1 :d

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
> Removed :
> - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto) 
> (finish the UI)
>  The task is not done, it's been dropped from the TODO because of issues with 
> the M$ servers and because the 
> feature is too young/immature to be ready/stable in an acceptable timeframe 
> for the 0.97 release
> 
> Added :
> - Add new smileys for the *help, *9million, etc.. all those new "IM" things 
> Comment : MSN started this in order to help charity 
> organisation or something.. WLM considers these keywords as being smileys, so 
> we should add them and it would 
> fix our issue... (hidden must be = true in the settings.xml so they won't 
> apepar in the smiley selector)
> 
> 
> 
> New Complete 0.97 TODO:
> - Add new smileys for the *help, *9million, etc.. all those new "IM" things 
> - Finish the new Skin
> - Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Userstatus plugin and multichat

[tonighx]

Nice plugin, but I hoped to have the status changes logged...

2007/5/3, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Thanx, committing... with a looong delay... :)
>
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, square87 wrote:
>
> > Hello.
> > With this diff userstatus plugin should allow to work also in multichat.
> > I have written a proc for my _plugin_ (amsnlogplus) and i have incorporated
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> > Thanks
> >
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Youness Alaoui]

huh ? why ? 
we can only give support for our skin, it's a smiley, it's not a 'colourednick' 
thing, I mean, if I write *help 
in a chat window, or if I receive it in a chat window, I will see the smiley, 
not the text, it really IS 
considered by WLM as being a smiley, whether it's in your nick or in chats or 
whatever, that's why it's only 
logical to add them as smileys in the skin.. if people use a different skin, 
either make sure it's up to date 
(anyways, how many new skins are compatible with 0.97?) or use default... 

KKRT

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 09:14:28PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote:
> Nono,
> that should be done as a plugin to bring these smileys to all skins...
> Thta's not complicated at all : just steal a bit of code from
> ColouredNicks plugin...
> Phil
> PS Hum just remebered that I waited for a new release of ColouredNicks
> plugin... So bad that the developper is busy... I hope it to be finished
> for aMSN0.97RC1 :d
> 
> Youness Alaoui a écrit :
> > Removed :
> > - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto) 
> > (finish the UI)
> >  The task is not done, it's been dropped from the TODO because of issues 
> > with the M$ servers and because the 
> > feature is too young/immature to be ready/stable in an acceptable timeframe 
> > for the 0.97 release
> > 
> > Added :
> > - Add new smileys for the *help, *9million, etc.. all those new "IM" things 
> > Comment : MSN started this in order to help charity 
> > organisation or something.. WLM considers these keywords as being smileys, 
> > so we should add them and it would 
> > fix our issue... (hidden must be = true in the settings.xml so they won't 
> > apepar in the smiley selector)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > New Complete 0.97 TODO:
> > - Add new smileys for the *help, *9million, etc.. all those new "IM" things 
> > - Finish the new Skin
> > - Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
> > update everything with new screenshots)
> > - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
> > and fallback on old method.
> > 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Youness Alaoui]

ok, so this means... ?
how do the other applications do ? is it a palette thing like you said ? we use 
our own palette and the windows 
palette has a different index? then there should be a 'ico normalizer' to make 
it work on all plateforms 
somewhere, it would be impossible to not find a tool for this... 
tell me when you got something so we can remove this...

KKRT

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 09:12:24PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote:
> Ooops sorry not saw this mail before I replied...
> So that's not wierd ;)
> W2K tray doesn't take icon palette into account... We should find
> anything else... They use the Windows palette.
> Phil
> 
> Vivia Nikolaidou a écrit :
> >> - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
> >> and fallback on old method.
> > 
> > OK, I just tested on w2k... and it's WEIRD. The icons show OK on Windows 
> > Explorer's preview, as well as when I open them with AX-Icons, but on the 
> > tray they look awful. Seems that the tray can only display a few colors :(
> > 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Youness Alaoui]

We got no reports apart from David Girault.. so just make sure you contact him 
and see what he says about the 
issue, it would be better to be safe than sorry...

if we remove --enable-pwc then we should remove it from the makefile/configure 
too... 
btw, the FAQ really needs to be updated, I've browsed through it and there are 
a LOT of outdated stuff in 
there...

KKRT

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> Hi,
> 
> Vivia Nikolaidou a écrit :
> >> - Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
> >> update everything with new screenshots)
> > 
> > We don't need --enable-pwc anymore IIRC? We just need to make sure UVC 
> > webcams work at the moment... see the email from David Girault where he 
> > said they don't?... Anyway, mine still works :D
> As he didn't say anything more I think he managed to make it work...
> No news good news ;)
> > 
> >> - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
> >> and fallback on old method.
> > 
> > I had done this part and all that remained was to make the icons with 256 
> > colors, right? Then Phil made them all 16x16 ... Phil, do these icons work 
> > OK on w2k? If so, please remove this TODO item...
> I fixed that : should work OK on W2K (I can't test) but 8bits...
> 
> Phil
> 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] voiceclip patch

[Youness Alaoui]

oups, sorry, forgot about that.. I think there's a second one somewhere (maybe 
not from you)...
I tested the first thing, and couldn't reproduce, so I stopped 

KKRT

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:19:50PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> 
> Committed, looks good, thanx a lot for the contribution :)
> 
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, square87 wrote:
> 
> > Hello.
> > This patch should fix this errors:
> > 
> > 1) if we receive a voiceclip and the window is not open, we receive an error
> > (i reported it, Id number is: 230718. I reported it twice sorry :-S)
> > 2) sometimes if we receive/send a voiceclip we see the first greenline and
> > voiceicone pic on the same line.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Square87
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Youness Alaoui]

Thanks a lot viv!

btw, the 'other place' is :
if {[::config::getKey startontray]} {
if {[::config::getKey dock]!=0} {
wm state . withdrawn
set ishidden 1
} else {
wm state . iconic
}
} else {
wm state . normal
}


in the amsn file.


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> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> 
> > Yep, just as I remember it.. which is why I ask again.. can someone 
> > please rename it to something else, like enable_tray...
> 
> Changed, now it's called use_tray
> 
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> 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

Yes, I already said I have absolutely no idea what this means. I left it 
as it was. Bump: Does anyone know what the code below did?

On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:

> Thanks a lot viv!
> 
> btw, the 'other place' is :
> if {[::config::getKey startontray]} {
> if {[::config::getKey dock]!=0} {
> wm state . withdrawn
> set ishidden 1
> } else {
> wm state . iconic
> }
> } else {
> wm state . normal
> }
> 
> 
> in the amsn file.
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:15:49PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > 
> > > Yep, just as I remember it.. which is why I ask again.. can someone 
> > > please rename it to something else, like enable_tray...
> > 
> > Changed, now it's called use_tray
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Userstatus plugin and multichat

[Youness Alaoui]

tonighx, they're logged but in a different file (eventlog) from the core.. but 
it would be a good idea to log it 
to the user's log file.. you want to patch it ?

KKRT

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:48:45PM +0200, tonighx wrote:
> Nice plugin, but I hoped to have the status changes logged...
> 
> 2007/5/3, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Thanx, committing... with a looong delay... :)
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, square87 wrote:
> >
> > > Hello.
> > > With this diff userstatus plugin should allow to work also in multichat.
> > > I have written a proc for my _plugin_ (amsnlogplus) and i have 
> > > incorporated
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Re: [Amsn-devel] UVC webcam stop working at revision 8464

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

Hello David,

As you might have seen in the 0.97 TODO thread, we'd like to know the 
progress on this issue. In your mail below you said you had some pending 
tests to do. Have you completed them? So far, it seems that you are the 
only one who is having problems with this revision :S

Vivia

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, David Girault wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am not sure you're right. I update UVC driver and AMSN to last SVN
> version yesterday.
> AMSN release is 8504. UVC driver release is 95.
> 
> And webcam configuration dialog still crash. I need to do more tests.
> Just to be sure there is not problem with uvcvideo module unloading (I
> unload previous version and load the new one without reboot).
> 
> For information, I also have a PVR150 card in my PC which use last svn
> version of ivtv-0.10 driver branch.
> PVR150 is /dev/video0
> UVC webcam is /dev/video1 (when it was not locked due to hw bug, its a
> Logitech Fusion)
> 
> The two next tests:
> -Be sure that uvc module loaded is the last one,
> -Remove automatic loading of ivtv driver so webcam is alway at /dev/video0
> 
> Regards,
> David
> 
> 
> Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit :
> > Please upgrade your uvcvideo driver... Current revision is r95 and I 
> > know it works with it...
> > Phil
> >
> > David Girault a écrit :
> >   
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> What a fast response time! Thanks a lot!
> >>
> >> Well, after emerging last svn version (revision 8479), Webcam assistant
> >> work again.
> >> So this confirm the problem is with patch 8464.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> David
> >>
> >> Youness Alaoui a écrit :
> >> 
> >>> Ok, thanks for reporting, I reverted that change and committed it in 
> >>> revision 8475
> >>>
> >>> KaKaRoTo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 11:52:32PM +0200, David Girault wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>   
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I'd just subscribe to this mailing list, and I can help testing!
>  I have made Gentoo ebuild to install the lastest svn version of amsn.
> 
>  Tody, I wan't to install lastest svn version (8473) but my webcam
>  doesn't work anymore. After some search, the cause is the release 8464.
> 
>  Doesn't investigate more for the moment because I don't know V4L2 API
>  yet. :-(
> 
>  If anyone have an idea, thank for any related information.
> 
>  Regards,
>  David
> 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Youness Alaoui]

oh.. I think I already answered that...
it's on starting up, if the 'startontray' option is enabled, it will check, if 
we have a dock (tray), we 
withdraw the main window, otherwise, we just minimize it.. 
This should become use_tray, but should also CHECK if the tray is available and 
libtray is loaded and working, 
etc.. otherwise you'd end up with an invisible window when you launch amsn if 
you ever enable the startontray 
option.. and you can't get your window back because it's withdrawn and because 
there is no tray to make it 
appear again... 

KKRT

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:07:50PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> 
> Yes, I already said I have absolutely no idea what this means. I left it 
> as it was. Bump: Does anyone know what the code below did?
> 
> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> 
> > Thanks a lot viv!
> > 
> > btw, the 'other place' is :
> > if {[::config::getKey startontray]} {
> > if {[::config::getKey dock]!=0} {
> > wm state . withdrawn
> > set ishidden 1
> > } else {
> > wm state . iconic
> > }
> > } else {
> > wm state . normal
> > }
> > 
> > 
> > in the amsn file.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:15:49PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Yep, just as I remember it.. which is why I ask again.. can someone 
> > > > please rename it to something else, like enable_tray...
> > > 
> > > Changed, now it's called use_tray
> > > 
> > > > and also check what's that 'dock' option used for in the other files..
> > > 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Vivia Nikolaidou]

On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:

> oh.. I think I already answered that...
> it's on starting up, if the 'startontray' option is enabled, it will check, 
> if we have a dock (tray), we 
> withdraw the main window, otherwise, we just minimize it.. 
> This should become use_tray, but should also CHECK if the tray is available 
> and libtray is loaded and working, 
> etc.. otherwise you'd end up with an invisible window when you launch amsn if 
> you ever enable the startontray 
> option.. and you can't get your window back because it's withdrawn and 
> because there is no tray to make it 
> appear again... 

OK, good. How do we check if the tray is available? Is a [catch {package 
require libtray}] enough? For example, you work without a tray on your 
system. What does the package require return? If it loads OK but there's 
no tray, how can we check this?

> 
> KKRT
> 
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:07:50PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, I already said I have absolutely no idea what this means. I left it 
> > as it was. Bump: Does anyone know what the code below did?
> > 
> > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks a lot viv!
> > > 
> > > btw, the 'other place' is :
> > > if {[::config::getKey startontray]} {
> > > if {[::config::getKey dock]!=0} {
> > > wm state . withdrawn
> > > set ishidden 1
> > > } else {
> > > wm state . iconic
> > > }
> > > } else {
> > > wm state . normal
> > > }
> > > 
> > > 
> > > in the amsn file.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:15:49PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Yep, just as I remember it.. which is why I ask again.. can someone 
> > > > > please rename it to something else, like enable_tray...
> > > > 
> > > > Changed, now it's called use_tray
> > > > 
> > > > > and also check what's that 'dock' option used for in the other files..
> > > > 
> > > > Nothing afaik
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Userstatus plugin and multichat

[tonighx]

I know about eventlog, but logging inside each chat would be a
different feature, coherent with this plugin.
If I remember well someone was also talking about showing and logging
Nick/PSM changes. Is that done? Is that a separate plugin or could it
go toghther? Did I miss something?
In these days I'm very busy with the university, maybe next week, if
nobody does it before!


2007/5/3, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> tonighx, they're logged but in a different file (eventlog) from the core.. 
> but it would be a good idea to log it
> to the user's log file.. you want to patch it ?
>
> KKRT
>
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:48:45PM +0200, tonighx wrote:
> > Nice plugin, but I hoped to have the status changes logged...
> >
> > 2007/5/3, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > Thanx, committing... with a looong delay... :)
> > >
> > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, square87 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello.
> > > > With this diff userstatus plugin should allow to work also in multichat.
> > > > I have written a proc for my _plugin_ (amsnlogplus) and i have 
> > > > incorporated
> > > > that proc, with some changes, in userstatus.
> > > > Thanks
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Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Youness Alaoui]

I don't know, I'll tell you if I can verify this here.. maybe the package 
require works but the command to 
create the tray fails...


KKRT

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:24:32PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> 
> > oh.. I think I already answered that...
> > it's on starting up, if the 'startontray' option is enabled, it will check, 
> > if we have a dock (tray), we 
> > withdraw the main window, otherwise, we just minimize it.. 
> > This should become use_tray, but should also CHECK if the tray is available 
> > and libtray is loaded and working, 
> > etc.. otherwise you'd end up with an invisible window when you launch amsn 
> > if you ever enable the startontray 
> > option.. and you can't get your window back because it's withdrawn and 
> > because there is no tray to make it 
> > appear again... 
> 
> OK, good. How do we check if the tray is available? Is a [catch {package 
> require libtray}] enough? For example, you work without a tray on your 
> system. What does the package require return? If it loads OK but there's 
> no tray, how can we check this?
> 
> > 
> > KKRT
> > 
> > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:07:50PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > > 
> > > Yes, I already said I have absolutely no idea what this means. I left it 
> > > as it was. Bump: Does anyone know what the code below did?
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Thanks a lot viv!
> > > > 
> > > > btw, the 'other place' is :
> > > > if {[::config::getKey startontray]} {
> > > > if {[::config::getKey dock]!=0} {
> > > > wm state . withdrawn
> > > > set ishidden 1
> > > > } else {
> > > > wm state . iconic
> > > > }
> > > > } else {
> > > > wm state . normal
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > in the amsn file.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:15:49PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Yep, just as I remember it.. which is why I ask again.. can someone 
> > > > > > please rename it to something else, like enable_tray...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Changed, now it's called use_tray
> > > > > 
> > > > > > and also check what's that 'dock' option used for in the other 
> > > > > > files..
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nothing afaik
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Userstatus plugin and multichat

[Youness Alaoui]

Yeah, I knew it was a different feature, I said so too :p
about the nick/psm change, it's a good idea but it should go in the same 
plugin, I don't think that having a 
separate plugin for something like that would be a good idea... 

thx
KKRT


On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:54:07PM +0200, tonighx wrote:
> I know about eventlog, but logging inside each chat would be a
> different feature, coherent with this plugin.
> If I remember well someone was also talking about showing and logging
> Nick/PSM changes. Is that done? Is that a separate plugin or could it
> go toghther? Did I miss something?
> In these days I'm very busy with the university, maybe next week, if
> nobody does it before!
> 
> 
> 2007/5/3, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > tonighx, they're logged but in a different file (eventlog) from the core.. 
> > but it would be a good idea to log it
> > to the user's log file.. you want to patch it ?
> >
> > KKRT
> >
> > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:48:45PM +0200, tonighx wrote:
> > > Nice plugin, but I hoped to have the status changes logged...
> > >
> > > 2007/5/3, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > > Thanx, committing... with a looong delay... :)
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, square87 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello.
> > > > > With this diff userstatus plugin should allow to work also in 
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> > > > > I have written a proc for my _plugin_ (amsnlogplus) and i have 
> > > > > incorporated
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Re: [Amsn-devel] tray dock ?

[Youness Alaoui]

ok, here's the thing.. 
if { [package require libtray] works AND [systemtray_exists] == 1 }
look at trayicon.tcl to see how it's used, it's called only once and used as a 
variable, so you should probably 
reuse it.. also watch it, you MUST do == 1, because if there's no tray, it 
returns -1 (which would also evaluate 
to true if you just did a if [systemtray_exists] ... )
second thing, look at dock.tcl (that's the old docking system, it was an 
executable that worked only for gnome 
and it communicated with amsn through sockets), there's a init_dock in there, 
that's the one that initializes 
(or closes) the current dock implementation, but there's a if { use_dock } left 
in there.. that's probably 
because we had a use_dock variable for whether or not to enable the docking and 
then the 'dock' variable to tell 
which type of docking system to use... 
that variable should probably be renamed to use_tray instead, this way we're 
sure we don't have that case where 
use_dock is false and the user can't get it to work... 
we should probably clean all that junk old code from there and make it right... 
btw, UnixDock and WinDock are also using the use_dock config key... a grep 
would be wise...
(watch for some stuff I saw like :
if { ![WinDock] } { ... } 
this should probably become if { [UnixDock] } { ... } 
because ![WinDock] means either we're on unix or means we disabled docking... 

Thanks viv! 
KKRT

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:36:22PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> I don't know, I'll tell you if I can verify this here.. maybe the package 
> require works but the command to 
> create the tray fails...
> 
> 
> KKRT
> 
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:24:32PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > 
> > > oh.. I think I already answered that...
> > > it's on starting up, if the 'startontray' option is enabled, it will 
> > > check, if we have a dock (tray), we 
> > > withdraw the main window, otherwise, we just minimize it.. 
> > > This should become use_tray, but should also CHECK if the tray is 
> > > available and libtray is loaded and working, 
> > > etc.. otherwise you'd end up with an invisible window when you launch 
> > > amsn if you ever enable the startontray 
> > > option.. and you can't get your window back because it's withdrawn and 
> > > because there is no tray to make it 
> > > appear again... 
> > 
> > OK, good. How do we check if the tray is available? Is a [catch {package 
> > require libtray}] enough? For example, you work without a tray on your 
> > system. What does the package require return? If it loads OK but there's 
> > no tray, how can we check this?
> > 
> > > 
> > > KKRT
> > > 
> > > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:07:50PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, I already said I have absolutely no idea what this means. I left 
> > > > it 
> > > > as it was. Bump: Does anyone know what the code below did?
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Thanks a lot viv!
> > > > > 
> > > > > btw, the 'other place' is :
> > > > > if {[::config::getKey startontray]} {
> > > > > if {[::config::getKey dock]!=0} {
> > > > > wm state . withdrawn
> > > > > set ishidden 1
> > > > > } else {
> > > > > wm state . iconic
> > > > > }
> > > > > } else {
> > > > > wm state . normal
> > > > > }
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > in the amsn file.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:15:49PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yep, just as I remember it.. which is why I ask again.. can 
> > > > > > > someone 
> > > > > > > please rename it to something else, like enable_tray...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Changed, now it's called use_tray
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > and also check what's that 'dock' option used for in the other 
> > > > > > > files..
> > > > > > 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Gustavo A. Dí­az]

Hi!!

    Why always we should look forward to have same look of WLMSN? I
don't think (in my opinion) that those smiles from that app looks nice,
even that IM "look" is not nicer at all...

    I like the style of Smile that Lord Zak did, it is nice to make
some improvements of that base. Besides those has a very nice
"_expression_".

If this will be not included in the default skin, i will in the
original.

By the way... Like many read in the forum, I've decided to change the
name skin to Sapphire, so i tried to move Emerald2.0 to Sapphire2.0 (in
amsn-extras)... but seems SF does not allow it.
So.. i should delete the hole dir and upload it with the new name?

Another thing, if someone have something to suggest about skin, do it
now. I know that the final release is closer and i just have a few
things to improve, then finish it as soon i can.


Cheers.


[GuS]

Youness Alaoui escribió:

  I very much like the smileys you did... but I really don't know if we should change yet once again our whole 
smiley set.. changing smileys is difficult for the users who have to get used to the new smileys.. we changed 
then once from the M$ copyrighted images, now we change them again.. what would users think ? If you could maybe 
make them look AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE the same as the M$ ones.. no 'fancy' or 'better' or whatever.. just making 
them look like the M$ ones (which are nice), so people won't get confused and have to readapt themselves to a 
new smiley set...
apart from that, good job! 

POLL :
1 - keep the old smiley set

2 - a new smiley set however it looks

3 - a new smiley set looking as much as possible as the M$ smileys

4 - confused???
KaKaRoTo


KKRT


On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 03:28:37PM -0300, "Gustavo A. Dí­az" wrote:
  
  
Good then! i like those Smiles expresion ;)

Lord Zak escribió:


  Right... I'm trying to do them all to night for the main ones (smileys 
with a face), and I'll send the .svg.
They will look like something like that (see file) ; I'll change the 
color, and make .svg more clean ; like that, it will me easier for you 
to edit them as you want... They're very simple, I hope it will be ok


2007/5/2, "Gustavo A. Dí­az" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>:

   Very Good! Now if you want, make the hole set, and i could help
   you to improve it.

   Lord Zak escribió:
  
  
   For the skin I'm trying to do the smileys... Is something like
   that okay ?

   2007/5/2, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   >:

   Here's the complete TODO for 0.97.. we want to get 0.97 out
   as soon as possible, I would have had enough time to
   do it lately but I'm very busy these last days, so... let's
   try to cut this thing down..
   we have 4 items,
   - support msn spaces
 yeah, ok, that's the big one, but hey, it's not working
   anymore really.. the msn server for spaces is not
   working anymore for protocols earlier than msnp13.. so even
   msn 7.5 is broken now, we can't get the spaces info,
   so we can't display anything.. so what should we do ? wait
   until M$ fixes it so we can start implementing it? or
   shoul we just drop the feature for 0.97 (who know when
   they'll fix it for 'earlier versions'). Anyways, look at
   the poll results from the main site, spaces are the least
   wanted feature.. I vote for dropping it for now, and
   either get a 0.97.1 with spaces support, or 0.98 with
   spaces... (if M$ fixes their server)

   - finish the skin
 the skin looks good now! what remains ? we need to know
   exactly what we still need to fix in the skin so we
   can release ASAP... I know the sounds must be changed, I
   think the smiley set should be restored to the
   stylistic ones (if not already done) and I think the colors
   in the CL for away/online/busy/etc.. should be made
   to be as they were before with stylistic... apart from that,
   I don't know what else remains.. (maybe make the
   group's frame a lighter blue ?)

   - update FAQ..
 yeah.. can be done between RC1 and final

   - fix bug with the icons
 shouldn't this be fixed already ? I see the code for it, I
   just don't know if it's working.. can anyone
   confirm ? if it's done, then this should be removed...


   In short, we want the detailed TODO for the skin and we want
   a vote on dropping the spaces support or delaying
   the release again...

   KaKaRoTo

   New Complete 0.97 TODO:
   - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/
   kakaroto) (finish the UI)
   - Finish the new Skin
   - Update FAQ... (Document the --enable-pwc configure option, and
   update everything with new screenshots)
   - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be
   'catch'-ed
   and fallback on old method.



   -

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Lord Zak]

Thank you...
You can have a look to what I did last 2 days :
http://ubitux.free.fr/images/t8orv42912Y2Q7x3SrkQgyZ2wT2h0y8O.png
I'm trying to make the main smileys asap.

KaKaRoTo, are they enought  WLM like ? Are you ok to put them in the
Sapphire theme ?


2007/5/4, "Gustavo A. Dí­az" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


 Hi!!

Why always we should look forward to have same look of WLMSN? I don't
think (in my opinion) that those smiles from that app looks nice, even that
IM "look" is not nicer at all...

I like the style of Smile that Lord Zak did, it is nice to make some
improvements of that base. Besides those has a very nice "expression".

If this will be not included in the default skin, i will in the original.

By the way... Like many read in the forum, I've decided to change the name
skin to Sapphire, so i tried to move Emerald2.0 to Sapphire2.0 (in
amsn-extras)... but seems SF does not allow it.
So.. i should delete the hole dir and upload it with the new name?

Another thing, if someone have something to suggest about skin, do it now.
I know that the final release is closer and i just have a few things to
improve, then finish it as soon i can.


Cheers.


[GuS]

Youness Alaoui escribió:

I very much like the smileys you did... but I really don't know if we should 
change yet once again our whole
smiley set.. changing smileys is difficult for the users who have to get used 
to the new smileys.. we changed
then once from the M$ copyrighted images, now we change them again.. what would 
users think ? If you could maybe
make them look AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE the same as the M$ ones.. no 'fancy' or 
'better' or whatever.. just making
them look like the M$ ones (which are nice), so people won't get confused and 
have to readapt themselves to a
new smiley set...
apart from that, good job!

POLL :
1 - keep the old smiley set

2 - a new smiley set however it looks

3 - a new smiley set looking as much as possible as the M$ smileys

4 - confused???
KaKaRoTo


KKRT


On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 03:28:37PM -0300, "Gustavo A. Dí­az" wrote:

 Good then! i like those Smiles expresion ;)

Lord Zak escribió:

 Right... I'm trying to do them all to night for the main ones (smileys
with a face), and I'll send the .svg.
They will look like something like that (see file) ; I'll change the
color, and make .svg more clean ; like that, it will me easier for you
to edit them as you want... They're very simple, I hope it will be ok


2007/5/2, "Gustavo A. Dí­az" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:

   Very Good! Now if you want, make the hole set, and i could help
   you to improve it.

   Lord Zak escribió:

For the skin I'm trying to do the smileys... Is something like
   that okay ?

   2007/5/2, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:

   Here's the complete TODO for 0.97.. we want to get 0.97 out
   as soon as possible, I would have had enough time to
   do it lately but I'm very busy these last days, so... let's
   try to cut this thing down..
   we have 4 items,
   - support msn spaces
 yeah, ok, that's the big one, but hey, it's not working
   anymore really.. the msn server for spaces is not
   working anymore for protocols earlier than msnp13.. so even
   msn 7.5 is broken now, we can't get the spaces info,
   so we can't display anything.. so what should we do ? wait
   until M$ fixes it so we can start implementing it? or
   shoul we just drop the feature for 0.97 (who know when
   they'll fix it for 'earlier versions'). Anyways, look at
   the poll results from the main site, spaces are the least
   wanted feature.. I vote for dropping it for now, and
   either get a 0.97.1 with spaces support, or 0.98 with
   spaces... (if M$ fixes their server)

   - finish the skin
 the skin looks good now! what remains ? we need to know
   exactly what we still need to fix in the skin so we
   can release ASAP... I know the sounds must be changed, I
   think the smiley set should be restored to the
   stylistic ones (if not already done) and I think the colors
   in the CL for away/online/busy/etc.. should be made
   to be as they were before with stylistic... apart from that,
   I don't know what else remains.. (maybe make the
   group's frame a lighter blue ?)

   - update FAQ..
 yeah.. can be done between RC1 and final

   - fix bug with the icons
 shouldn't this be fixed already ? I see the code for it, I
   just don't know if it's working.. can anyone
   confirm ? if it's done, then this should be removed...


   In short, we want the detailed TODO for the skin and we want
   a vote on dropping the spaces support or delaying
   the release again...

   KaKaRoTo

   New Complete 0.97 TODO:
   - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/
   kakaroto) (fi

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Youness Alaoui]

Hi,
I'll answer both of you at the same time...

Gus, why we want to have the same look as WLM ? simply because aMSN is a CLONE 
of WLM and what made amsn so 
popular today is one thing : "same look and feel", that's our 'trademark' :p 
seriously, gaim, kopete, emesene, 
whatever, they all do the same thing, an IM client! but why choose amsn, it's 
because of its look&feel, people 
coming from windows or who still are on windows, they don't want some 
application that changes everything, they 
don't want to get used to it all over again!!! 

I also liked Lord Zak's smileys, and that's when I say "keep it as WLM", I 
don't say do a copy, on the contrary, 
lord zak's smileys are exactly the way I like it, simple, nice, funny, they 
have a little 'cartoon' touch, but 
they are the SAME as WLM's... I mean, on WLM, I always use ^o) I just like this 
smileys because it shows an 
expression I often do in real life... last time, I was trying amsn and I typed 
that smiley and it showed me some 
smiley that had NOTHING to do with the wlm's one!! it looks like a "smile while 
having eyebrows in your face" 
instead of "looking up as if you're thinking about something", or "talking 
ironically and teasing someone".. 
it's too different faces!!!
the one crying :'( it looks more like someone peed on himself:p and the one 
with the glasses (H), for me I 
always called it the "narcisic smiley" because I use it when I want to joke as 
in "I'm so great, I love myself, 
who wants my autograph" kind of emotion, the one in svn is more like "it's hot, 
I'm on the beach enjoying the 
sun"... 
the party one is not clear, the 'angel' smiley, in MSN he has an aureole (the 
circle above his head) in amsn he 
has wings, it's 2 different things!!!  The 'wilted rose' is also completely 
different from the original...

and why I ask for the same smileys ? simply because you won't get used to the 
new smiley set, a smiley is an 
emoticon, an emoticon means it should show an emotion.. if the emotion it shows 
on your PC is not the same 
emotion it shows on the other user's pc, it's useless! 

About saphire.. I don't like the name :p but if you want to change it, I think 
you have 2 choices :
1 - delete, then readd
2 - write a support request on the sourceforge tracker telling them that it's 
been months since the 'svn move' 
command fails and they should enable it from the server because it's driving 
everyone crazy!

About the TODO, I suggest you keep it somewhere like the 0.97 TODO has the todo 
for 0.97, you could create a 
thread "skin TODO" so you can keep track of everything and we can more easily 
report stuff to you, it will also 
give everyone a good appreciation of when the skin will be finished!

now Lord Zak! I love the icons! As I just said, it's nice, it reflects the same 
emotions as the ones from WLM 
(so far), I hope you read my mail and will take into account what I said for 
the future emoticons (although you 
did good so far), I like the cartoony effect they have, although it looks a bit 
weird, it's a nice look to have 
it like that! they all reflect the same thing as WLM, so I'm glad, continue 
like that, get the whole set done 
and I think we just got ourselves a great new smiley set that everyone will 
surely like! 

So in short, thanks, they look good, keep it up, they are more than enough 
'WLM-like' and yes, I'd be glad to 
have them as the new default skin's smiley set! :)

Good night!

KaKaRoTo

On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 07:22:44AM +0200, Lord Zak wrote:
> Thank you...
> You can have a look to what I did last 2 days :
> http://ubitux.free.fr/images/t8orv42912Y2Q7x3SrkQgyZ2wT2h0y8O.png
> I'm trying to make the main smileys asap.
> 
> KaKaRoTo, are they enought  WLM like ? Are you ok to put them in the
> Sapphire theme ?
> 
> 
> 2007/5/4, "Gustavo A. Dí­az" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Hi!!
> >
> >Why always we should look forward to have same look of WLMSN? I don't
> >think (in my opinion) that those smiles from that app looks nice, even that
> >IM "look" is not nicer at all...
> >
> >I like the style of Smile that Lord Zak did, it is nice to make some
> >improvements of that base. Besides those has a very nice "expression".
> >
> >If this will be not included in the default skin, i will in the original.
> >
> >By the way... Like many read in the forum, I've decided to change the name
> >skin to Sapphire, so i tried to move Emerald2.0 to Sapphire2.0 (in
> >amsn-extras)... but seems SF does not allow it.
> >So.. i should delete the hole dir and upload it with the new name?
> >
> >Another thing, if someone have something to suggest about skin, do it now.
> >I know that the final release is closer and i just have a few things to
> >improve, then finish it as soon i can.
> >
> >
> >Cheers.
> >
> >
> >[GuS]
> >
> >Youness Alaoui escribió:
> >
> >I very much like the smileys you did... but I really don't know if we 
> >should change yet once again our whole
> >smiley set.. changing smileys is difficult for the u