[android-developers] Re: How to connect to a remote MySQL DB without webservices... ?
Hi saex, Iff you have control of the/your server, and if it runs a JSP web server such as Apache TomCat (free), you could use my 'really simple' web service protocol for your purposes called: 'SQL+PaWS' to get direct/barebones and easy access to an SQL server (including MySQL) with standard SQL commands (and nothing else) via http, i.e. with no XML protocol/bureaucratic crap around it. All you need to change in the provided JSP code server-side is: your database name, your database username and its password. See the blog intro to SQL+PaWS and the free JSP code (open source) download from here: http://www.digitalfriend.org/blog/month2007-10.html and the 'Specification' of 'SQL+PaWS' here: http://www.digitalfriend.org/technology/SQL+PaWS/index.html Cheers Steve P.S. If you want to do a PHP conversion of the JSP instead (anyone:), please feel free to do so, and get a copy back to me:), as I have no desire/intention to learn PHP, but it would be useful to other people without a TOmCat web server. On Oct 19, 8:29 am, saex wrote: > Hi > > can i do it? I just wanna make SELECT/INSERT into a remote database > with my android phone application, i think it have to be easy but i > can't find the way. I only find people that tell i have to make a > webservice os romething like that, but that is another world for me, > and i can't put a webservice in the database host... > > ¿there is not a normal way to do it without a webservice? > > thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Piracy Breakdown by Country
Looking at your numbers again, your 'total installs' for Australia seem way out-of-whack with the rest of the countries listed, i.e.: * Take the UK versus Australia figures, your total installs are: UK= 335, Australia=321 * There are about 60 million people in the UK, and only 22 million in Australia. Both countries speak a form of English as their primary language, discounting the disproportionate uptake as a UI issue in your app. * Google has allowed app sales and app purchases in both the UK and the US before all other countries globally (Feb 2009). It has allowed 'purchases' in Australia only since Oct'2009, and still doesn't allow 'sales' today. * Google has had multiple Android developer/code/lab-days in the UK (i.e. platform evangelism and market building momentum), while the closest they ever got to Australia with one was Singapore (which is not very close)… i.e. Google is Australia-averse. In fact, southern hemisphere averse. For a company that sells globes and maps, it doesn't seem to be able to peer over its own equators. Its much more likely that Google will allow app sales from Afghanistan before they do so in Australia. Android numbers in Australia reflect that Google apathy. * Google and the Android-brand have been totally 'unfocused'/blurred wrt Australia as a market … the only place you see 'Google' in Australia, is in a browser window. If you phone them, you don't get past the front-desk staff. If you email them, nothing comes back. If your write to them, nothing gets returned. It all disappears into a big white rectangle. It reminds me of the public service in the 1980s, before office PC productivity. They process all their accounting/sales data and dollars from Australia through their Ireland office… while its true that the Australian population was once 75% Irish, that was a long time ago (in the early 1800s). * Telstra, the major Australian telco (previously, a government-owned monopoly, still with nation-wide mobile coverage), only started selling an Android phone in April 2010 - just a few months ago. Vodafone Aust. Ltd. has sold one for a while longer - but they are a much much smaller company, with much less coverage nationally, and they only sell it via high-end phone plans. * I'm yet to meet (or even see) a person on the street (outside the IT world) that actually has an Android phone. In summary, both your published piracy rate for Australia, and also your actual 'total number of installs' for Australia, are 'far from representative' IMHO. I suggest to you that there is something very odd going on there with your app installs (supposedly) coming from Australia? Cheers Steve On Aug 27, 7:15 am, keyeslabs wrote: > Actually, the largest *contributor* to piracy was the US, but the > highest piracy rates (as a percentage of total installs) were > elsewhere. For example, the US has a piracy rate (on my app) of about > 70%, but Australia is more like 92%. For the countries where apps may > be purchased, here's the breakdown: > > Country Purchases Installs Pirated Installs Piracy Rate > Australia 26 321 295 92% > Austria 6 13 7 54% > Canada 25 96 71 74% > France 23 104 81 78% > Germany 38 161 123 76% > Italy 4 36 32 89% > Japan 467 467 0 0% > Netherlands 24 98 74 76% > New Zealand 4 8 4 50% > Spain 7 63 56 89% > Switzerland 7 21 14 67% > United Kingdom 108 335 227 68% > United States 2051 6105 4054 66% > > The US isn't the highest, but still, it's disturbing how high the rate > is in ALL of these countries where purchases could be made... > > Dave > > On Aug 26, 4:59 pm, niko20 wrote: > > > > > Excellent analysis. Once again showing that you can't make assumptions > > about a market without cold hard data to back it up. Your results > > found that the largest piracy rates actually occurred in countries > > where users COULD buy apps ! I guess USA is just a bunch of cheap > > *sses :) > > > -niko > > > On Aug 26, 3:22 pm, keyeslabs wrote: > > > > Recently did an analysis of piracy rates by country for my app. Found > > > some very interesting tidbits that I think may be of interest to > > > members of this group: http://bit.ly/bSaoBe > > > > Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Piracy Breakdown by Country
Hi Dave, Thanks for the stats - as disconcerting as they are. As an Australian software developer I was very disappointed to see Australia up top in the percentages on your scale of software pirates, wrt to your app - which I find hard to explain, subjectively or otherwise. I'll make a few points though (I'm assuming your figures are for your utility 'Screebl Pro', via your link): * Having some background in data analysis, I don't consider sample sizes under 300 to be statistically significant - which leaves you with 4 rows of data at this stage. * Going on your app, the US is the only place where Android is a big success thus far - I do know that 'utility' programs are a bit 'techie' for most regular phone users, but I'm thinking percentages here. * Android phones are fairly few on the ground in Australia (in my limited experience with other Android owners - other owners have been either software developers/publishers or university students, many of whom are from overseas - many/most countries). That said, since the 'main' telco here (Telstra) began selling Android phones here in April 2010, some regular folk/mums-and-dads are now starting to buy them…. i.e. The fact that australia is 4th in your list of overall downloads is very surprising to me, given the great lack of Google/Android-phone focus upon Australia - I thought it would be down around the NZ figures. Note: Most ads I've seen for Android phones here do 'not' even mention 'Android' at all (E.g. the recent ads for the Samsung i9000 Galaxy S ) - so I assume its either a perceived marketing negative, or its not worth the 'copy' space the single word would take up. * As a former president of the Australian Software Publishers Association, I know that Australians generally 'do' buy their software when its not open source - which is the main precursor to a country having a software industry. Its a part of the 'a fair go mate' ethos here - so Indy developers are likely to do well here - and do, given an avenue to market. * I do know that there are lots of software developers in Australia 'very pissed-off' with Google in that we are unable to 'sell' our programs in the Android Market (even though our customers can buy them from elsewhere) - e.g. I've had programs sitting here collecting dust for 12 months (yes, 365 days, one planetary orbit around the Sun [the one thats 93 million miles away] - no actions, and worse, no words about actions, from Google) come Tuesday this week see: http://www.digitalfriend.org/blog/month2009-09.html - but that is unlikely to cause a software developer to pirate other software developers hard work. I certain haven't and wouldn't. That kama is reserved for Google (and then Android), not for fellow software developers. i.e. If you are unable to circulate your own work, ones enthusiasm eventually dries up and withers on the vine, such that, in my case at least, I've abandoned my daily usage of the Android phone itself, and now use an alternative smart phone from a company with a global perspective instead. * Its true that, within the list of countries wrt your downloads, Canadian, Kiwi and Swiss developers also cannot sell their apps on Google Android Market to their own customers - so if it was 'a disgruntled developer issue' re Australia, you would likely see it there too - but as I've pointed out, your figures for those countries are statistically insignificant, so that doesn't constitute evidence either way. * I'm not surprised at your figures for Japan - even major software contracts with Japanese companies usually only require a hand-shake to seal an honorable relationship. (I wonder if they even have local lawyers? ) * As much as I am surprised at your figures for Australia, I am also surprised at your figures for the US. They seem overly high to me. It makes me wonder what your software does and how much it costs wrt other apps? More so, it makes me wonder if the 'Lite' version is an overly crippled version of the 'Pro' version, such that large numbers of people are justifying an illegal download of the Pro version. I.e. Is the Lite version 'really' useful in its own right - or is it little more than 'an ad' that constitutes an expensive download to the unwitting customer/phone user? It would also be of general interest to know what the respective download numbers for your 'Lite' version are, over the same period of time? (Note: I really have no knowledge of your app - so these are just very general questions/ponderings by me, and are certainly 'not' reflections upon your apps, Lite version or Pro)… If your figures are indeed generally representative of Android apps of all sorts, then yes, your experience is indeed a worry for all - and it makes a Licensing approach totally necessary for paid apps - sad but true, given the low retail cost of phone apps in general. Cheers Steve On Aug 27, 7:15 am, keyeslabs wrote: > Actually, the largest *contributor* to piracy was the US, but the > highest piracy ra
[android-developers] Re: Chilling news: Oracle sues Google over Android
Its true that if you look at the topics of the 7 patent Oracle cites:
1. Protection Domains to Provide Security in A Computer System
2. Controlling Access to a Resource
3. Method and Apparatus for Preprocessing and Packaging Class Files
4. System and Method for Dynamic Preloading of Classes Through Memory
Space Cloning of a Master Runtime System Process
5. Method and Apparatus for Resolving Data References in Generate Code
6. Interpreting Functions Utilizing a Hybrid of Virtual and Native
Machine Instructions
7. Method and System for Static Initialization
they have little to do with Java the 'language' - after all it is
simply an ape of C/C++ leaving out the hard/error-attracting bits.
These topics are largely clustered around the dynamic invocation of
classes from object 'fingerprints' (data and method signatures) coming
from, or stored elsewhere. Apart from C++ being all over this
territory, there is 'a hill' of prior art there too:
* even I have prior art invocating objects dynamically from JSON-like
tree structures back in the early 1990s (in a dynamic system called
SlimWinX I wrote for small devices).
* NeXT Inc (now a part of Apple) was all over this territory long ago
too.
* the Blackboard systems based around the Linda language (e.g. Sun's
JavaSpaces and IBM's TSpaces are just recent implementations of
Blackboard systems) were all over this area back in the 1970s.
... as they say "There's nothing new under the Sun."
i.e. the cited patents have little to do with Java as a language or
about pseudo-code running in virtual machines, so the mention of
'Java' so prominently is probably about 'justification' ("we spent
$5.8 billion on this stuff!") and 'popularity' wrt grabbing a
headline.
The technical territory of the cited patents has more to do with what
one can do with the Go language and distributed databases, and
datastores in HTML5, than with Java. i.e. GO running against a virtual
machine, rather than Java 'the language' and the JVM. If you look at
SAPs very recent roadmap of what they plan to do with the newly
acquired Sybase - that would raise a home-territory fear in Oracle
regarding the use of Android devices as the popular client-side
interface of SAPs new strategy forward - and little to do with Android
itself.
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[android-developers] Re: Chilling news: Oracle sues Google over Android
The Irony of Java's success on the device UI via Android There's lots of irony in the successful use of the Java 'language' within the phenomena that the Android OS has become. E.g. Java began life at Sun as Oak which was meant to be a language for small devices up to set-top boxes. It went on at Sun to become a whole 'platform' of APIs too, that technically challenged other OS's such as Windows, and whole server stacks of all persuasions - to the point where Microsoft had to then develop the .Net platform to stay ahead in the game. (I use that unfolding Java scenario as the ultimate case of 'scope creep' to my students). Ultimately Java made its name and market running server-side, away from user-interfaces. Desktop-wise, Swing was too much too late. Mobile-wise ME was too limited, too rigid, too early. The Android user UI classes and widgets (which are nothing like Swing or AWT - I know, as I tried to convert lots of swing code to them - and a total rewrite was required), have hit a sweet-spot on mobile devices, just when processing power, interactivity and screen presentation can provide a 'user experience', that the modern user now demands of their daily devices. Java the language, via Android the GUI OS, has finally fulfilled Oak's original goal from way-back, of running on small devices and attracting a huge market there-on, in the process. That's Irony with a capital 'I'. As for the originality of byte-code and virtual machines - the P- System was doing all that with p-code, back in the days of 8-bit micros, before some fool at IBM chose MD-DOS over it as their standard OS for the new 16-bit Intel processor - and an eon before the invention of 'software patents' themselves. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Chilling news: Oracle sues Google over Android
I think Java has really become 'the new Cobol' this side of 2020 - helped along significantly by both Oracle's purchase of Sun, and by Google making it a mainstream/relevant UI language (at last!) via Android - i.e. its now past its innovation stage, and has become heavily mainstream and stable (in terms of language features) - hence Gosling jumping ship. Whatever you think of Java it is currently the No.1 computer language worldwide. See the TIOBE Programming Community Index for August 2010 here: www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Note that C and C++ are still 2nd and 3rd on that index. (Also note the very sharp rise of both Objective C and Google's own GO language). I think Java, C and C++ are going to stay on the podium for a good many years yet. (I recently got back into C++ after 10 years away from it, and was very pleasantly surprised on how useful and modern C++ has been made - on the Bada platform for example. Apparently Samsung spent $100M on Bada, before they made the first WAVE phones, and it certainly shows in their IDE/framework). I think this Oracle legal move spells the end of them doing anything serious with the Java App Store (and the like) - i.e. it looks like they tried to sit on their backsides Java UI-wise and simply muscle a slice of Google's profit stream, but when that hustle didn't work it got handed to the Legal Dept. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Why doesn't this discussion list function properly on Android phones?
Hasn't worked on my HTC Magic either for 12 months now. I've just assumed it is just part of the Android 'User Experience'. ... at least you get an error message;) Luxury! On Jul 15, 4:52 am, DonFrench wrote: > A little off topic, but it is about Android phones and this discussion > list, so here goes. If you receive emails from this list in digest > form and try to read the email on your Android phone (or at least on > the Nexus One, the only phone I have experience with), when you click > on any of the topics listed at the top of the email, you get an > "Unauthorized: Error 401" error. If you read the email on your PC and > click any of the links, it takes you to the topic you clicked, as > expected. I know that this isn't a developer issue but I am not sure > what other group to post it to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android paid apps in Ireland
>sell Android apps into the facebook community, take a look at ZappMarket Thats a very cool idea - its given me a whole new perspective on Facebook... I've stayed away from facebook for years, for philosophical reasons: I've always considered it to be an attempt to fence-off the Internet into a private space, one not much different from Microsoft's attempt years ago with MSN. Hated the 'login in' screen before you could see anything at all - at least they've moved away from that. BUT, now that Google has shown itself far less International than I would have ever suspected prior to Android app development (re: the hard limit to 9 seller countries), it puts facebook in a whole new light to me. It is effectively a very large social space that crossed those national boundaries that Google has stopped at the border of. So from a commercial point of view, it may well turn out to be the most International player at the top end of the service providers Good luck to you with it. Steve On Jun 29, 2:26 pm, Shane Isbell wrote: > If you want to sell Android apps into the facebook community, take a look at > ZappMarket. It has a dozen payment methods including paypal, google > checkout, as well as an offer wall. Pretty much anyone, anywhere will be > able to buy your app. You don't get the instant audience of Android Market > but Zapp is a great way to build a community of users around your app. When > Android Market finally comes to Ireland, you could already have a good user > base built up. > > Keep in mind, to upload, you will need a facebook account: > > http://apps.facebook.com/zappmarket/uploads > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mathias Lin wrote: > > Don't expect an answer from Google, cause they won't. Just move to > > another market platform. Google has no interest to offer paid apps > > model in too many countries, as they heavily rely on advertisement > > income. > > > On Jun 28, 3:15 pm, skooter500 wrote: > > > This is a disgrace! And I cant get an answer from anyone in Google as > > > to when this will be available. > > > > Oh well. It looks like SlideMe it is > > > > Bryan > > > > On Jun 26, 7:43 pm, Tomá¹ Hubálek wrote: > > > > > On 21 èvn, 10:37, skooter500 wrote: > > > > > > (though I have users in 22 countries). I am not going to release it > > > > > for free. It seems I cant sign up for a google checkout merchant > > > > > account, because I live inIrelandand there are no paid apps allowed > > > > > on the Irish Android Marketplace!!! > > > > > Welcome to Android World where highest percentage of the apps on the > > > >marketis free... We are going to communism where everything is for > > > > free and everybody is working for pleasure ;-) And all pigs are equal > > > > and some of the are more equal ;-) > > > > > Tom > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > cr...@googlegroups.com> > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > -- > Shane Isbell (Founder of ZappMarket)http://apps.facebook.com/zappmarket/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
>> When I look at BlackBerryAppWorld it lists over 200 countries which... Not so. They currently offer free apps to 56 countries and paid apps to 13 countries (a slightly different 13 than Android Market's 13 ... Not Canada! - no, just kidding). Its not that clear which countries Blackberry developers can sell 'from'? See: http://www.blackberry.com/app_includes/devicesoftware/appworld/appworld_availability_en.html Steve On Jun 11, 2:46 am, Leigh McRae wrote: > When I look at BlackBerryAppWorld it lists over 200 countries which > seems high but I know they support almost everywhere by now so perhaps > it's correct. I find it crazy that Canada isn't supported considering > NAFTA. > > I really don't think Google is all that interested in paid apps as they > are in extending their ad network to handhelds. You can't really blame > them as it's their core business. > > Also I suspect that Apple wouldn't have passed MS in market cap if > theappstorehad the same return policy as the android market. > > Leigh > > On 6/10/2010 11:51 AM, gosh wrote: > > > > > > >OracleAndroidAppStore > > > Here's the countries that developers can currently sell from via > > Android Market: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?answer=150324 > > > Here's the countries that Android Market offers free apps to: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... > > > Here's the countries that Android Market sells to: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... > > (i.e. the 13 countries down the bottom of the same page) > > > These haven't changed much for a long time - e.g. 9 countries in that > > first list haven't changed since September 2009. > > (Googles Knows why its not the same 13 where users can buy from) > > > How does this compare with the other mobile OS vendors? > > > Apple'sAppStorecurrently works in 90 countries. In Feb'2010 they > > added: Armenia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Jordan, Kenya, Macedonia, > > Madagascar, Mali, Mauritius, Niger, Senegal, Tunisia, and Uganda ... > > i.e. they are going to run out of global map real soon now. Say what > > you like about them, but they take paid apps seriously. > > I.e. see: > > http://developer.apple.com/iphone/news/archives/2010/february/#newspr... > > > Here's the 29 countries that Microsoft's Windows Phone Marketplace > > developers can sell to (and upload from): > > >http://developer.windowsphone.com/help.aspx?id=fd9b5508-6436-4503-917... > > > ...when the forthcoming Windows7 Phone hits the market later this > > year. > > > What both Androidappdevelopers and global Android users need is > > another substantialappstorerun by a globally recognised ICT entity > > with a global presence (not carrierappstores such as Motorola's), an > > International commitment, and that uses more conventional payment > > methods (PayPal/ the standard Credit Cards). It will happen eventually > > given the gapping great gap in the Android Market service roll-out all > > this time. I'd lay odds onOraclesetting up an AndroidAppStorethat > > uses PayPal, which seems an odd possibility at first, but then when > > you think about it more seriously, it makes commercial sense from a > > lot of different angles: > > - Sun had a JavaStorethat used PayPal. > > - They now control Java. > > - They like making money from software. > > - As Google moves to Web apps within the forthcoming WebStore,Oracle > > could befriend Android developers (via global distribution) and > > gradually try to move them towards JavaFX apps (whatever plans they > > have for that). > > - In building such anappstoreit could showcase their existing > >OracleStoreproduct for building such things. > > - They could entice Androidappdevelopers to develop 'services' for > > their own apps on their own MySQL/OracleDBMS servers (supplied by > >Oracle), or via anOraclecloud. > > > Any votes for anOracleAndroidAppStore? > > Any votes for a Yahoo! AndroidAppStore? > > or > > What other major ICT/media company could pull off such a marketing > > coup? > > -- > Leigh McRaewww.lonedwarfgames.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
Btw, I saw that you (via AndAppStore) got an honorable mention in the WIRED article re 'Independent App Stores' yesterday. Congrats. Steve On Jun 13, 1:54 am, Al Sutton wrote: > On Jun 12, 8:44 am, gosh wrote: > > > >(our revenue is from ads in the client & customisation deals in case > > >you're wondering). > > > Then I'm assuming you must require the app publisher to make some > > small addition to their source code - which is no big deal to the > > coder. > > Nope. The ads are only in our client, and the customisation deals are > with OEMs and hardware distributors for customer versions of our > systems. Developers don't have to modify anything. > > > > If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- > > > market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, > > > permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company > > > getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven > > > playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into > > > the firmware > > > If you already require a mod to the source as per above, you could > > also add some phone-home 'occasionally' capability (your marketplace > > home) ... which could implement a 'better' copy protection mechanism > > than the Android Market currently has. > > AndAppStore already offers a purchase checking facility where > developers can, if they want to, check against our database of > purchases to see if the user has purchased a copy of the app for the > specific device it's running on. > > > > > Similarly, you could also use such phone-home code to implement a > > 'better' updates policy - e.g. I find the current update mechanism in > > Android Market a pain in the butt in that it tries to update apps 'too > > often'. E.g. you could let the 'phone user' pick a minimum update > > frequency which overrides those frenetic/frivolous updaters. > > We're looking at adding a time selector in addition to our the on/off > switch we currently have in the AndAppStore client for background > update checking. > > Al. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
>(our revenue is from ads in the client & customisation deals in case you're >wondering). Then I'm assuming you must require the app publisher to make some small addition to their source code - which is no big deal to the coder. >If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into the firmware If you already require a mod to the source as per above, you could also add some phone-home 'occasionally' capability (your marketplace home) ... which could implement a 'better' copy protection mechanism than the Android Market currently has. Similarly, you could also use such phone-home code to implement a 'better' updates policy - e.g. I find the current update mechanism in Android Market a pain in the butt in that it tries to update apps 'too often'. E.g. you could let the 'phone user' pick a minimum update frequency which overrides those frenetic/frivolous updaters. So, there's two-out-of-three USPs (unique selling points) you could do better than Android Market, in what you have outlined as disadvantages. In addition, you could do the web site version 'a whole lot better' than Android Market. [ I'm actually starting to think that maybe the delay in any Android Market update was largely a lack of traditional structured data modeling skills - having recently watched their curtness/defensiveness at the IO 2010 android fireside chat wrt the Market. Sun Inc had such a problem - because they were such an OO-shop, they didn't really get the need for a DBMS and structured data until way too late. i.e. You can't really do an Amazon-like Web 2.0 shop (recommendations, meta- recommendations, etc) with a free-text-index-Google-style search mentality approach to DB design. ] Whatever the initial reason, given that the annual IO-2010 came-and- went with hot air and no progress Market-wise, the next big 'timing' event for Google to put out any new Android Market features, will be the same week as the release of the Windows7 mobile and its accompanying App Store - which gives you a lot of lead-time for such improvements. Steve On Jun 11, 4:19 pm, Al Sutton wrote: > Do we need any more app stores? :) > > We've been running AndAppStore since the G1 launch and the most common > reason we hear for developers not listing is that they don't want to > maintain multiple market listings, so I doubt that the creation of > multiple markets backed by large companies is viable. AndAppStore > gives 100% of app sales revenue to developers, making it as profitable > as possible for paid-apps, and we still hit the "multiple market > maintenance" issue (our revenue is from ads in the client & > customisation deals in case you're wondering). > > If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- > market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, > permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company > getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven > playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into > the firmware, which makes running a market an unattractive proposition > for most businesses. > > Al. > > P.S. In case you were wondering, we keep running AndAppStore because > people want us to and it doesn't drain the companies resources. There > are users of non-Google experience devices & developers of apps they'd > like to be paid for who live in non-Google approved countries, so > we're happy to keep it running. > > On Jun 11, 5:26 am, Andy Savage wrote: > > > > > I think that it's highly possible for a competing App market to make a > > splash but it would have to come pre-installed on the phones. It could be > > possible though for a company who develops one to pre-install it if they > > make a deal with HTC for certain models of phones :-) > > > Perhaps just pick 2 of the latest phones and make a deal with HTC to include > > it alongside the google one. Or perhaps HTC could cobrand (HTC store run by > > xyz company). > > > -- > > "The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that > > will allow a solution" > > - Bertrand Russell > > > Andy Savage > > Cell Phone: +852 936 34341 > > Skype ID: andy_savage > > Linked In:http://www.linkedin.com/in/andysavage > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, gosh wrote: > > > HTC don't have the global re
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
HTC don't have the global reach. Of the Taiwanese companies ACER is probably the most international in reach and intent - although they are pretty much a Microsoft shop. They have this annual pattern thats been going for years, where they demonstrate some prototype typically running some variant of Linux (including Android) at Computex and the like, while they are negotiating a better annual deal for Windows XP/and now Windows7 from Microsoft, as a bargaining chip. ASUS has become their student in this - witness the EeePC which mainly comes installed with a Windows variant these days, after making its splash in the market with Linux. I don't think the answer to android app market invigoration likes in Taiwan. Steve On Jun 11, 11:48 am, Chi Kit Leung wrote: > Maybe HTC can develop their own market. But I am doubtful about they are > working closely with Google. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Yahel wrote: > > Slight problem, > > > The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. > > > How do you overcome that ? > > > Internet Explorer is still the most used browser in the world(70 % on > > non-tech-savvy sites) 8 years after the launch of firefox which is way > > better. Just because IE is pre-installed in every windows machine. > > > Same thing here. Other markets won't be able to compete because of > > that. > > > Yahel > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > cr...@googlegroups.com> > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > -- > Regards, > Michael Leunghttp://www.itblogs.infohttp://www.michaelleung.info -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
>Slight problem, >The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. >How do you overcome that ? Thats why I suggest its got to be an Oracle-level company - some entity that carriers will do deals with at the pre-installed market level and/or that the customer will type into the browser from memory. Steve On Jun 11, 9:16 am, Yahel wrote: > Slight problem, > > The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. > > How do you overcome that ? > > Internet Explorer is still the most used browser in the world(70 % on > non-tech-savvy sites) 8 years after the launch of firefox which is way > better. Just because IE is pre-installed in every windows machine. > > Same thing here. Other markets won't be able to compete because of > that. > > Yahel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
> When I look at BlackBerry App World it lists over 200 countries which > seems high but I know they support almost everywhere by now so perhaps > it's correct. I find it crazy that Canada isn't supported considering > NAFTA. Yes, I also find it odd that there are four countries that they sell to, but don't let developers/publishers sell from, as in: Australia Canada New Zealand Switzerland I don't know about New Zealand but in those other 3, Google has its own software development efforts, e.g. WAVE in Australia. I suspect that they just didn't want any of their own programmers with deep internal tech knowledge to jump-ship with start-ups selling Android apps, in the year just gone. i.e. They take great pride in the fact that they have a high retention rates of programmers, while places like Microsoft have been losing good coders for some years now. > Also I suspect that Apple wouldn't have passed MS in market cap if the > app store had the same return policy as the android market. Yes its a win-win-win situation (software publishers/Internet industry/ users). Before the Internet I used to publish software for a living. In 1994/95 the www killed all that - the early-adopters who used to be the buyers of software from those publishers other than the Microsofts and Adobes of the world, all went to the big free download on the web. Most people I know who contribute to free open source projects have other jobs that pay their wages - e.g. academia. The App Store is the first mechanism since 1994 that gives something back to software developers, while also giving customers software for a few bucks (versus the ridiculous price of games on the consoles our kids pay or pirate), while also keeping the Internet healthy with activity and innovation. Apple has effectively tapped the great untapped resource that is software developers and publishers, who don't have some other source of income or some other activity they'd rather be doing. So yes, I agree with you whole-heartedly - it is a large part of the reason Apple have shot to the top in market cap. And I whole-heartedly wish Android provided a similar future avenue - if not via Google, then via some other worthy advocate for innovation and progress. Steve On Jun 11, 2:46 am, Leigh McRae wrote: > When I look at BlackBerry App World it lists over 200 countries which > seems high but I know they support almost everywhere by now so perhaps > it's correct. I find it crazy that Canada isn't supported considering > NAFTA. > > I really don't think Google is all that interested in paid apps as they > are in extending their ad network to handhelds. You can't really blame > them as it's their core business. > > Also I suspect that Apple wouldn't have passed MS in market cap if the > app store had the same return policy as the android market. > > Leigh > > On 6/10/2010 11:51 AM, gosh wrote: > > > > > > > Oracle Android App Store > > > Here's the countries that developers can currently sell from via > > Android Market: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?answer=150324 > > > Here's the countries that Android Market offers free apps to: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... > > > Here's the countries that Android Market sells to: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... > > (i.e. the 13 countries down the bottom of the same page) > > > These haven't changed much for a long time - e.g. 9 countries in that > > first list haven't changed since September 2009. > > (Googles Knows why its not the same 13 where users can buy from) > > > How does this compare with the other mobile OS vendors? > > > Apple's App Store currently works in 90 countries. In Feb'2010 they > > added: Armenia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Jordan, Kenya, Macedonia, > > Madagascar, Mali, Mauritius, Niger, Senegal, Tunisia, and Uganda ... > > i.e. they are going to run out of global map real soon now. Say what > > you like about them, but they take paid apps seriously. > > I.e. see: > > http://developer.apple.com/iphone/news/archives/2010/february/#newspr... > > > Here's the 29 countries that Microsoft's Windows Phone Marketplace > > developers can sell to (and upload from): > > >http://developer.windowsphone.com/help.aspx?id=fd9b5508-6436-4503-917... > > > ...when the forthcoming Windows7 Phone hits the market later this > > year. > > > What both Android app developers and global Android users need is > > another substantial app store run by a globally recognised ICT entity > > with a global presence (not carrier ap
[android-developers] Oracle Android App Store
Oracle Android App Store Here's the countries that developers can currently sell from via Android Market: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?answer=150324 Here's the countries that Android Market offers free apps to: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138294 Here's the countries that Android Market sells to: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138294 (i.e. the 13 countries down the bottom of the same page) These haven't changed much for a long time - e.g. 9 countries in that first list haven't changed since September 2009. (Googles Knows why its not the same 13 where users can buy from) How does this compare with the other mobile OS vendors? Apple's App Store currently works in 90 countries. In Feb'2010 they added: Armenia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Jordan, Kenya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritius, Niger, Senegal, Tunisia, and Uganda ... i.e. they are going to run out of global map real soon now. Say what you like about them, but they take paid apps seriously. I.e. see: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/news/archives/2010/february/#newsprofile Here's the 29 countries that Microsoft's Windows Phone Marketplace developers can sell to (and upload from): http://developer.windowsphone.com/help.aspx?id=fd9b5508-6436-4503-9174-45bf532b9dfd ...when the forthcoming Windows7 Phone hits the market later this year. What both Android app developers and global Android users need is another substantial app store run by a globally recognised ICT entity with a global presence (not carrier app stores such as Motorola's), an International commitment, and that uses more conventional payment methods (PayPal/ the standard Credit Cards). It will happen eventually given the gapping great gap in the Android Market service roll-out all this time. I'd lay odds on Oracle setting up an Android App Store that uses PayPal, which seems an odd possibility at first, but then when you think about it more seriously, it makes commercial sense from a lot of different angles: - Sun had a Java Store that used PayPal. - They now control Java. - They like making money from software. - As Google moves to Web apps within the forthcoming Web Store, Oracle could befriend Android developers (via global distribution) and gradually try to move them towards JavaFX apps (whatever plans they have for that). - In building such an app store it could showcase their existing Oracle Store product for building such things. - They could entice Android app developers to develop 'services' for their own apps on their own MySQL/Oracle DBMS servers (supplied by Oracle), or via an Oracle cloud. Any votes for an Oracle Android App Store? Any votes for a Yahoo! Android App Store? or What other major ICT/media company could pull off such a marketing coup? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Why is Android so buggy?
>Like Olivier says, most of us don't have the time to >spend in fixing open source bugs. What do you think the free phones are for. Did you really think they were free. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Did anyone try Paypal in-apps Library?
I agree that it probably means they have rushed it to market, to seize an opportunity. Would also be interested to hear of peoples experience/s with it. On May 26, 9:05 pm, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: > On May 26, 9:30 am, gosh wrote: > > > You're easily turned off. > > Perhaphs "turned off" was a poor choice of words. > > Not having a IDE-embedable JavaDoc just seems amateurish and doesn't > exactly give me the confidence to be an early adaptor of a product > where the exchange of real money takes place. > > I'd rather wait until I hear other people's experience with this > particular product. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android Apps purchasing from anywhere in the world
In the 8 months of 'nothing' from Google on this issue, we've seen a way to make it work for the software developer too, as it should: This other approach involves 'not killing iPhone', but maintaining some plurality in your platform dev choice. Consider the Android market as your 'test' market, for testing new products, testing new ideas in products and to get momentum in user- land. Put them out on Android first and for free, but also do a version for the iPhone that is a paid app. Put the extra features and the extra polish into the iPhone paid app. You end up with the traditional highly successful duel marketing model where you have a 'low-end' product (for people who like it that way), and a 'high-end' product (for people who like it that way). It also happens to side- step this whole international market impasse - which, if as Amir suggests, is not really an impasse but a Google strategy to move us all towards an adwords/adsense payment world only. I concede that it has two drawbacks: 1). Not all applications you can do on the Android can be done/or make sense to do on iPhone (and the reverse is also true). But a majority can. On Android, concentrate on more screen formats and interaction modes; on iPhone concentrate on more features and polish. Eventually iPhone will probably get the extra screen formats, so very little of the work will go unpaid. 2). You have to port (much of) your code to Objective-C most probably. (If you have a lot of code in 'C' you can probably mitigate that - which is what a lot of the mainstream game developers do/have.) On the other hand, in the 8 months in which Google has said absolutely 'zero' on this issue, you could have done an incredible quality port to the iPhone. Of course if we had known 'in advance' nothing was going to happen for this long, we would have started much earlier on this duel strategy, but at least we have now have. Steve On May 26, 6:44 pm, Andy Savage wrote: > I believe that the 30% went to the carriers only? > > If what you say is true and they take 30% where there is no carrier deal in > place then they have NO excuse (at least from our perspective) not to > implement *good* paid markets everywhere. For every minute that they don't > they are loosing significant revenue. > > In my mind the Google Market is key. This is what will really be the iPhone > killer... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Did anyone try Paypal in-apps Library?
You're easily turned off. If Google started letting you sell JavaScript 'Web Apps' thru the 'Web Store' would that turn you off Android Java apps? or off Android Market (if it morphs into Web Store as expected)? On May 25, 4:18 pm, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: > When I saw that PayPal decided to release the doc as a PDF document as > opposed to Javadoc, it really turned me off. > > On May 25, 7:54 am, Chi Kit Leung wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Did anyone try Paypal in-apps Library? Moreover, if any apps has this > > feature, it will against the policy in Android Market Policy, right? In > > Android Market, the free apps must be right without locking feature, right? > > -- > > Regards, > > Michael Leunghttp://www.itblogs.infohttp://www.michaelleung.info > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: samsung app store
Does a user 'donation' thru Paypal really constitute an authorized payment though? I don't thing so. A donation is voluntary thing, a payment is something you are required to make in a vendor-customer deal. Steve On May 25, 10:56 pm, Chi Kit Leung wrote: > I read the policy of Android Market, you only can use the authorized payment > process to charge your users. > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Chi Kit Leung > wrote: > > > > > > > I found Paypal in-apps library. Maybe that will helps the developers of > > paid apps. > > But I am not sure whether you can help upload an apps with some locked > > features as a free app in Android market. > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Michael > > wrote: > > >> Out of interest I registered for the bada dev site and the link for > >> the appstore takes you to the same page referenced in the email > >> (seller.samsungapps.com). > > >> This makes me think that it is legit. > > >> Cheers, > >> Mike > > >> On May 20, 7:08 pm, Jean-Baptiste Charles Bouvet de Lozier > >> wrote: > >> > The paid Android Market currently is not available for the most of the > >> > countries. So it could be a viable alternative for the rest of the > >> > word. It seems that the main site supports only a single Bada model, > >> > and dev resources for Bada and WinMo OS-es, so currently there is no > >> > Android. > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups "Android Developers" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> android-developers@googlegroups.com > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> > cr...@googlegroups.com> > >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > >> groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Android Developers" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> cr...@googlegroups.com> > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > > -- > > Regards, > > Michael Leung > >http://www.itblogs.info > >http://www.michaelleung.info > > -- > Regards, > Michael Leunghttp://www.itblogs.infohttp://www.michaelleung.info > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: samsung app store
There's also this site at Sony/Ericsson: https://submit.sonyericsson.com/developer/login/ Does anyone have experience of registering their Android app/s with Sony/Ericsson to access any markets beyond the current reach of paid apps in Android Market? I'm particularly interested if you have been able to sell from a country outside the current 9 countries allowed by Android Market? (i.e. See list as from Sep 20th, 2009 here: http://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=150324 ) Cheers Steve On May 21, 5:58 pm, Piotr Buła wrote: > Why would users need another Android app store? Let's see: > - paid apps (for users) > - paid apps (for developers) > - browsing through a website > - buying through a website > - payment methods different then Google Checkout > - no trash apps (some form of quality standards) > - and all of this in their native language > > Those are just a few reasons that immediately come to mind (and there > are plenty more if you think about it). Where I live, Android Market > does not offer any of the above. And this is true for ~90% of the > countries where Android devices are officially available. > > Cheers > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: samsung app store
There was some Press around January this year about Motorola launching an apps store. I checked their site recently (here: http://developer.motorola.com/shop4apps/ ) and it seems that they only do China, but soon will also be Argentina, Brazil and Mexico. Does anyone have experience of registering their app/s with Motorola to access any of those markets (well, only China is up, so: experience with their apps in China)? Cheers Steve On May 21, 5:58 pm, Piotr Buła wrote: > Why would users need another Android app store? Let's see: > - paid apps (for users) > - paid apps (for developers) > - browsing through a website > - buying through a website > - payment methods different then Google Checkout > - no trash apps (some form of quality standards) > - and all of this in their native language > > Those are just a few reasons that immediately come to mind (and there > are plenty more if you think about it). Where I live, Android Market > does not offer any of the above. And this is true for ~90% of the > countries where Android devices are officially available. > > Cheers > > On May 20, 6:40 pm, Gabriel Simões wrote: > > > . something to think about ... > > > Why would users need another App Store for the same plataform if it > > doesn´t add anything better than the ones we have already? > > > - cut -- > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: samsung app store
They did announce the 'Web Store' at IO which is most probably the shared future with Android Market. i.e. Buy your web apps or your android apps from the same store, the store that runs in HTML5 on your desktop, and therefore most probably will also run on your Android (and 'soon' your Google TV too). It sounded like this time around, Google is really committed to making the Web Store a truly international store like the web itself, 'soon'. You've got to start realising that these Java programs we are writing are just a part of 'the transition path' to web apps proper. The Web Store will probably cater for both the new breed of applications and the legacy Java apps too. If we make our apps run in the Browser instead, then we can reach a far, far larger marketplace. Sure, there'll be some serious competition from the Flash programming community and the high schools kids too (particularly on the games front), but we'll always be able to do better system-oriented stuff in Java then them - the system stuff that Android itself doesn't cover or do well at, at the moment. However, the greatly expanded future marketplace (i.e. the 'world-wide' web, and TV too) should make it feesible for us all to make a decend living. Cheers Steve On May 21, 9:25 am, Gabriel Simões wrote: > Talking about Android Market I don´t know if anyone here attended > to Google I/O, I haven´t so I have no news, maybe you do ... > > What about Google Checkout? Any news on when developers from other > countries will be able to sell apps on AM? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
I hope you're right Brill, but the 7 months with 'zero' movement on
this issue in 'any' country, doesn't sit well with it.
The trouble for ALL Android app developers who want to sell
applications for years to come, is that developers from the countries
'not' in those 9 (Germany, Austria, Japan, Italy, Spain, France, the
Netherlands, UK and US), tend to release their applications for free
(thereby undermining the commercial proposition for those developers
in the 9 countries). This makes the proposition for 'ads within apps'
the better long-term proposition on Android in 'ALL' countries. This
of course suits Google's time-honored Business Model, which is more
than ample reason for them sitting on their hands, tight-lipped about
this whole impasse.
Cheers,
Steve
On Apr 8, 12:54 am, Brill Pappin wrote:
> I suspect the issues is actually not that they don't want to allow it,
> I think that the issue is that they are trying to keep everything
> inside their own umbrella.
>
> What I mean is, Google has a payment processor business and they have
> the app business; they are trying to keep everything under one roof.
>
> The problem is not actually that the Market won't do it, its that
> Google Checkout can't and having worked with payment processors a lot,
> I can tell you that some countries are much easier to get access to
> payment systems than others.
>
> In Canada, its difficult (not sure about Australia) to get access to
> the payment networks because here we have fairly strict regulations on
> Banks etc and they don't like people on their turf.
>
> Apple on the other hand doesn't have anything invested as a payment
> processor, and so doesn't have the same limitation because they can
> use any of the many existing ones that handle Canadian transactions
> already.
>
> So, my guess is that Google Checkout is having trouble dealing with
> the Canadian financial system and getting in the door, however that
> failure is hurting their other departments, such as the Android Market
>
> What they should be doing IMO is simply hooking into another existing
> processor for countries like Canada until they can sort out their
> processor troubles. From our perspective we would not even notice the
> change accept possibly by having to enter new credit card data (not
> even google is allowed to store it).
>
> This is a guess of course, but based on a little knowledge of the
> processor industry.
>
> - Brill Pappin
>
> On Apr 7, 9:45 am, gosh wrote:
>
>
>
> > I wouldn't hold your breathe there Brill.
>
> > If you do a search in this group on thread titled 'Countries for
> > selling priced applications in Android Market' you'll see that many
> > others 'were' asking this question back in August 2009 (and elsewhere
> > in this group). Google allowed nine countries to sell apps from Sep
> > 2009 and nothing has changed in the 7 months since then.
> > My interest then 'was' in selling Android apps from Australia.
>
> > I approached an Australian Senator ('for the Digital Economy') to try
> > and see what was happening at Google on this issue (since they don't
> > answer such questions from mere mortals, or even from their own
> > collaborating developers) - but the answer the Senator got back with
> > was simple and the same: 'we are working on more countries'. Tim
> > O'Reilly got me an avenue to someone a bit further up the Google food
> > chain ... same simple non-committal answer came back to us: 'we are
> > working on more countries'.
>
> > If you are looking for a professional response to this sort of a
> > question, from a global company that knows something about application
> > developer relations in an international context, I recommend that you
> > look at what Sun/Oracle tell their International enquirers wrt the
> > same issue at the 'Java Shop', on the web-page here 'Java Warehouse
> > Developer Center - Supported Locations':
>
> >http://java.sun.com/warehouse/overview/locations.jsp
>
> > ...the issues they cite there regarding seller countries are likely to
> > be the very same issues that Goggle would be facing with CheckOut and
> > Apps, iff they actually do intend to include more countries.
>
> > The fact the Google can't get a page of information like that to their
> > own enquiring Android developers, suggests to me that either: 1). They
> > are not an Internationally competent company when it comes to
> > collaborating with grass-roots developers; or, 2). They have no
> > intention of allo
[android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
I wouldn't hold your breathe there Brill.
If you do a search in this group on thread titled 'Countries for
selling priced applications in Android Market' you'll see that many
others 'were' asking this question back in August 2009 (and elsewhere
in this group). Google allowed nine countries to sell apps from Sep
2009 and nothing has changed in the 7 months since then.
My interest then 'was' in selling Android apps from Australia.
I approached an Australian Senator ('for the Digital Economy') to try
and see what was happening at Google on this issue (since they don't
answer such questions from mere mortals, or even from their own
collaborating developers) - but the answer the Senator got back with
was simple and the same: 'we are working on more countries'. Tim
O'Reilly got me an avenue to someone a bit further up the Google food
chain ... same simple non-committal answer came back to us: 'we are
working on more countries'.
If you are looking for a professional response to this sort of a
question, from a global company that knows something about application
developer relations in an international context, I recommend that you
look at what Sun/Oracle tell their International enquirers wrt the
same issue at the 'Java Shop', on the web-page here 'Java Warehouse
Developer Center - Supported Locations':
http://java.sun.com/warehouse/overview/locations.jsp
...the issues they cite there regarding seller countries are likely to
be the very same issues that Goggle would be facing with CheckOut and
Apps, iff they actually do intend to include more countries.
The fact the Google can't get a page of information like that to their
own enquiring Android developers, suggests to me that either: 1). They
are not an Internationally competent company when it comes to
collaborating with grass-roots developers; or, 2). They have no
intention of allowing developers from further countries to sell
Android apps (now that they have a critical mass of apps to compete
with iPhone).
Since you (and I) are not from the favored 9 countries, and since 7
months have passed, if you want to make some money from your Android
apps, you should release it for 'free' and simply embed advertising in
it ... as many other developers in this predicament are already doing.
Its also a 'great value' move for Android phone users.
(Btw if you look at Tim OReilly's recent blog on 'The State of the
Internet Operating System' -
http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/03/state-of-internet-operating-system.html
- a long but very good and insightful read, you will see that while he
cites iPhone, iPad and the App Store, he doesn't cite Android Market
in a 'selling apps' future (i.e. under the heading 'Access Control'),
but he does mention Google re Admob under the 'Advertising' aspect of
the Internet Operating System).
Cheers
Steve
On Apr 6, 12:06 am, Brill Pappin wrote:
> Does anyone have any idea when Google plans to allow us Canadian
> developers to actually create accounts for selling apps in the Market?
>
> I am completely flabbergasted that I can't set that up. Major FAIL.
>
> - Brill Pappin
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[android-developers] How to use com.android.gallery with an image in the .apk ?
Hi, i'm a big newbie in developping Android application, and i just met my first issue. I'm trying to display an image from package resources with an intent 'ACTION_VIEW'. I set the data type to 'image/*' and the data to 'android.resource://com.mypackage.test/r.drawable.toto' where toto is a jpg picture. When i run the application, a new activity is launched (activity is 'view picture' from com.android.gallery) but no picture displayed and it finally crash with a java.lang.NullPointerException. I think my reference to the resource may be false but i didn't manage to make it work. Any help would be appreciated. Ps: i apologize for my poor english skills GoSh. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Growing pains for Android developers??
I think you hit the 'nail on the head' Niko with your "We can't judge Google based on knowledge we DONT have." - and maybe its the legal team who are driving the car. The tech side of Android, including this group's info-feeders and strokers of the many considerable egos amongst us, are Great - and more power to them. But, if a publisher is trying to build a business plan upon development on Android, there are no available timeframes around the marketing aspects, and no avenue to find out whether or not the marketing aspects are in hand. I.e. Is there a marketing strategy for Android at all? Publishers have to base any business plans on faith, hope, hunches and hearsay. E.g. Unlike you, many publishers cannot sell their applications 'at all' (to experience the low volumes;) because they are from countries that are not amongst the current 9 where publishers can. e.g. Australia is still missing from that list. No one from Google can say anything about that - I've tried many info channels to no avail. Not just a time-envelope of when it may be added, but even whether it will 'ever' be added (e.g. Will ads within free apps supersede customer payment for apps entirely? Will Chrome OS become the main game? Should we be moving more development to Flash and away from Java? I.e. In this info vacuum comes speculation). Its not the programmers here "whinging" (at my company), its the Business Manager. Stepping back from the fray several hundred yards for some perspective on why people may grumble a bit (whether or not they are 'programmers') - It is a remarkable thing that a company such as Google, which is largely built upon search, itself built upon information produced by other people and other companies (web-site content; scanned books, uploaded video, etc), does itself make so little of its own information available - and keeping it from its early adopter developers and publishers, of all people. Personally, I am surprised at how many people don't 'whing' at all. On Nov 14, 3:38 am, niko20 wrote: > Ok, let me answer some of these myself. > > App sales sluggish - well android is still a growing platform, and yes > the latest improvements to the app store have helped, as well as all > the new phone releases as well, I'm seeing about double the orders per > day as before. Not to mention that we finally will probably actually > have customers that aren't also developers. > > ADP - you can just get a droid phone and develop with it. The only > reason to have an ADP is so you can flash it with different ROMS. If > you want to test against Android 2.0 you can just use a DROID to > develop with. Any android device can be used for debugging and > development. > > The Google market has improved over the last six months and will > likely improve again. Having on 325 characters may seem like a > restriction, but it does enable people's devices to download the data > faster, as well as preventing too much "spam" in their comments (like > keywords, and other garbage the is irrevlevant), that the apple Iphone > app store suffers from. Some of the apps I've looked at on the IPhone > store don't even say what they do in their description! It's usually a > little TOO long winded! > > Rumor and conjecture - the rules and agreements between Google and > developers are quite clearly stated in the Developer agreement. Some > people want to read between the lines and have hissy fits about every > little detail. Maybe that is just the way programmers are. But it's > pretty much standard legal fare. A lot of what you may see on this > board is just whining about small details that may only affect a > minority of developers. > > The IPhone system has its own flaws as well (approval process, etc). > And that system most likely is a take it or leave it agreement too. We > can't judge Google based on knowledge we DONT have. Speculation is > just that, speculation. I haven't seen any arguments that show the > opposing platforms advantages yet (like how their agreements work, > etc). > > -niko > > On Nov 13, 6:57 am, WoodManEXP wrote: > > > > > We have spent significant time & energy and $$ producing several > > Android applications on the bet/hope it will be able to cut into the > > iPhone market. Unfortunately little is happening. > > > - The apps sales are sluggish (the apps are hardly even being pirated > > as far as we can tell). > > - ADP cannot be updated to Android 2.0 yet Google has pushed hard for > > development to be updated to 2.0 and the Droid phone is released. How > > is one to test? > > - The Google Market seems ineffective. Consider limitations like the > > short app descriptions for instance. Google Market has a way to go to > > catch up with the magic of iTunes. > > - There is void of two-way communication between Google and the > > Android developer base so rumor and conjecture and trial and error > > prevail. > > - Distribution license agreement is updated in a take it or leave it > > fashion (with no meaningful e
[android-developers] Re: Countries for selling priced applications in Android Market
Since then two more countries have been added to the drop-down: Japan Italy Cheers Steve On Sep 17, 2:28 am, monsoon wrote: > FYI > > I joined up to Android Market the other day (10th Sep 2009), and also > could not get past the 'Location' drop-down menu (and, it was only > encountered 'after' paying up the membership) - but I did notice that > in the locations list ofcountriesthere-in, that can currently buy- > and-sellat that time, were: > > Austria > France > Germany > Netherlands > Spain > United Kingdom > United States > > I am most interested in when software publishers from Australia cansellon the > Android Market. > I.e. I currently have a game which I can't get to any users/players > (because it costs $1.33). > > Our previous government made a big song-and-dance about the long- > negotiated US-Australia Free Trade Agreement, which I was hoping would > lubricate this sort of thing (from both sides of the fence). Lets hope > that it does. > ...Maybe the EU and the US have a 'Really Truly Free Trade Agreement'? > Maybe their respective tax departments are more responsive than ours? > Who knows what the log-jam is? Maybe it is a government department > issue on our side of the fence?? ... I'll start digging along that > line of enquiry (i.e. government departments get more responsive as > elections start to loom) next week when I have some free time and let > you know if I make any progress. > > Cheers > Steve > > On Aug 24, 3:58 pm, Michael Leung wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > That is near the end of Q3 now. Does anyone know whether there will be a > > new list ofCountriesfor selling priced applications in Android Market? > > > -- > > Regards, > > Michael Leunghttp://www.itblogs.infohttp://www.michaelleung.info --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Image with a Button, or text with ImageButton
Hi there, A 'Button' view comes up with text, while the 'ImageButton' widget comes up with an image but no text, is there a way to relatively easily (e.g. method calls, say), either: 1. Add text to ImageButton (like those buttons that appear in menu item/via the physical menu button)? or 2. Add an icon/image to a Button? without resorting to constructing a new button class? I.e. I could put text within the image, but then I can't use Localization properly/effectively. Any suggests, much appreciated here. Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Inserting the 'status-bar' within ones own full-screen View
I read somewhere in the Android documentation that (paraphrasing here): 'if you do make your own View take up the whole screen, it is then possible/even-advisable, to insert and manage the 'status-bar' within your View'. How do you do that? - i.e. insert the status-bar within ones own 'full- screen' View? Thanks in advance for any useful feedback. Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
