Re: [android-developers] Re: Payout much smaller than expected

[Jon F Hancock]

I see a lot of those too.  I'll file an inquiry too.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Spiral123  wrote:

> Thanks for pointing this out, I see the same thing, going back to at
> least May 25th (the earliest I have checked).
>
> I've filed a query with the checkout team.
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 3:20 pm, Gregg Reno  wrote:
> > Are there still problems with Google Checkout for app purchases?  It
> > seems that even now, things do not look right to me with the daily
> > payout amounts being under reported.  Here is what I'm seeing...
> >
> > - Go to Google Checkout and click Payouts tab
> > - You see a daily list of purchases, with the title "Closed Orders"
> > - Click one of the amounts in the Purchases column
> >
> > Here I typically see two rows for each purchase.  For example, my app
> > goes for $1.49, so I will see something like:
> >   Purchase  $1.49
> >   Fee  -$0.45
> >
> > However, some transactions just show one line like this:
> >   Fee  $0.00
> >
> > This is supposed to be a closed order, and if I drill into it I can
> > see it looks identical in status to other closed purchases with the
> > status showing shipped and charged.  So instead of this purchase being
> > counted in the daily total as it should, it only counts as $0. And it
> > isn't just the most recent day's transactions.  I can see these going
> > back over a week.
> >
> > So are sales not being counted as they should?
> >
> > Sorry if I'm posting to the wrong board.  If I should post this
> > somewhere else, let me know.
> >
> > -Gregg Reno
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Payout much smaller than expected

[Jon F Hancock]

I got mine in too.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Kevin TeslaCoil Software <
ke...@teslacoilsw.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Aug 3, 11:32 am, Nikolay Elenkov  wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Kevin TeslaCoil Software
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > Mine was split into 4% 96% and I only see the smaller one :(.
> > > Definitely will be contacting Google Checkout if I don't see the other
> > > deposit in a day or two. Bank is ING Direct.
> >
> > Happens once in a while. Maybe they ran out of
> > punch cards for the day :)
>
> I've received the second payout today, so it seems they restocked on
> punch cards :)
>
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Payout much smaller than expected

[Jon F Hancock]

Thanks, Kevin.  At least I know I'm not singled out.  I'm with Chase bank.
 They advised me to wait one more business day, and contact Google.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Nikolay Elenkov
wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Kevin TeslaCoil Software
>  wrote:
> > Mine was split into 4% 96% and I only see the smaller one :(.
> > Definitely will be contacting Google Checkout if I don't see the other
> > deposit in a day or two. Bank is ING Direct.
> >
>
> Happens once in a while. Maybe they ran out of
> punch cards for the day :)
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Payout much smaller than expected

[Jon F Hancock]

Yeah. I've been selling in the market for about a year.  I'm familiar with
the split payments, but this is the first time one has come through and not
the other.
Yeah. I've been selling in the market for about a year.  I'm familiar with
the split payments, but this is the first time one has come through and not
the other.

It could be my bank.  Checkout shows both payouts on Aug 2.

Between my app getting pushed down in search lately and this (plus the
overall payout was $200 less than I was expecting), I'm starting to get
paranoid that Google wants me to get out of the Android development
business.

Jon

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:11 AM, String wrote:

> It's normal for the payout to come in two parts, one much larger than the
> other. For example, this month I have one that's about 7% of my Market
> profit, while the other is about 93%. Don't know why, but it's been like
> this ever since Google switched to monthly payouts.
>
> But if only one has arrived in your account, that's obviously *not* normal.
> If it doesn't show up in the next day or so, you need to pursue it with
> Checkout support.
>
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Market sales suddenly cut in half

[Jon F Hancock]

I haven't heard of either of those.  I haven't been too happy with Mopapp
because their numbers just don't seem right.  I also want days to break at
midnight for me, not midnight Eastern Time.

I used to like Android Market Report (in the market), but it is really slow,
and after Checkout started reporting in buyer's currency, that app fell to
pieces.  I calculate into the seller's currency when pulling in transactions
using fresh exchange rates.

I don't want to hijack the thread completely, but quickly, what are the
features you would like to see implemented?

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:47 AM, sparks  wrote:

> that would be amazing, i recently have grown fond of appmonger and appstats
> pro, and feel both are kind of lacking little
> features i would like to see implemented
>
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Market sales suddenly cut in half

[Jon F Hancock]

People still seem to be able to download the app.  I haven't had any
complaints about that aside from the usual rejected credit card, and the
user hasn't bothered read the email from Google.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:37 PM, WhitneyApps  wrote:

> Both of my two apps, one paid and one free, have been stuck for a
> week.  I had a rush of declined payments a week ago and now zero.
> Both apps - one that usually hs >100 downloads per day - are exactly
> where they were a week ago.
>
> Is there any way to tell if people are even able to download my apps?
> This is ridiculous.  I'm doing better in the Amazon App Store.
>
> Help, please!!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Whitney, WhitneyApps
>
> On Apr 26, 9:11 am, TreKing  wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Brill Pappin 
> wrote:
> > > I'm note sure... we are seeing improvements coming out.
> >
> > I don't think we're seeing improvements. We're seeing more half-baked
> > features being released for us to beta-test for them.
> >
> > > It looks like the team only has one developer however...
> >
> > That's an insult to the word "developer" ... =P
> >
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Market sales suddenly cut in half

[Jon F Hancock]

I'm not sure what you mean by "automated console data import."  Getting your
back log of data is a pain because you have to watch your records and keep
running the script changing variables to get everything.  After that, it
uses Checkout's notification api to get all the notifications since the last
time you updated.  It only updates when you look at it.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Marcin Orlowski
wrote:

> On 26 April 2011 10:49, JonFHancock  wrote:
>
>
>> My sales and cancellations are posted below.  P.S.  I've written a PHP/
>> jQuery/MySQL app that keeps as a regularly updates list in format
>> below (except my view includes dollars included converted currencies),
>>
>
> Sure, go publish it if you do not mind - I'd love to check it out myself
> for example.
> Do you got automated console data import too?
>
>
> Regards,
> Marcin Orlowski
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Poor relevancy in Android market since yesterday.

[Jon F Hancock]

Come to think of it, Radiant HD popped to the top of the list when I
searched for Facebook the other day.  I think it is because Radiant HD
describes itself as being able to share top scores on Facebook.  It still
shouldn't show up above Facebook though.

For a long time, my app, LauncherPro Icons, has shown above LauncherPro for
a search for "launcherpro" despite LP having 1,000,000+ downloads and I have
about 30,000.

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Richard Leggett
wrote:

> Something weird is going on here, for example if you search on the Market
> website for "twitter" you get the official app, and also games like Radiant
> HD, but you don't get TweetDeck which has "Twitter" in the title and does
> appear as the 2nd "related app" for Twitter (official).
>
> Very strange.
>
>
> On 12 Feb 2011, at 00:10, TreKing wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>
>> On Feb 11, 1:19 pm, JonFHancock  wrote:
>> > Getting a little cynical these days, huh TreKing? ;-)
>> >
>>
>> These days?
>
>
> LOL - you took my response :-P
>
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Checkout transitioning to monthly payouts?

[Jon F Hancock]

Interestingly, I received an email this evening (that did not go to spam)
from Checkout that is almost identical to the one Nathan pasted in
here
.

Was that email scheduled to be delivered a week after they started the
process, or did someone at Google read this and decide to send out a notice?

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Justin Giles  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>
>> Getting a lump sum may seem easier for accounting, but it isn't. My
>> accountant still has to sift through the entire list and determine
>> which transactions are in state for sales tax purposes.
>>
>>
> This has how it has been from the start.  You can still download (via the
> download to csv link at the bottom of the checkout page) a csv file
> containing a breakdown of all transactions and whether they were taxed.  I
> know, it's tedious, but it's still there.  I too wish they would just
> collect and distribute the sales tax for us.  Would make life a lot easier
> and one less thing I'd have to worry about.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Checkout transitioning to monthly payouts?

[Jon F Hancock]

Oh I was talking about income tax.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Nathan  wrote:

> Now that Google is buying the software from us in bulk and selling it
> to the consumer individually with a 30% markup, it really calls into
> question Google's presumption that they are *not* the retailer.
>
> Google should really be the one collecting and reporting the sales tax
> now, and we should consider this as royalties or wholesale sales.
>
> Getting a lump sum may seem easier for accounting, but it isn't. My
> accountant still has to sift through the entire list and determine
> which transactions are in state for sales tax purposes.
>
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Checkout transitioning to monthly payouts?

[Jon F Hancock]

Ugh. I'm sorry I didn't see your original post about it, Nathan. That would
have at least saved me from the surprise.

Actually, we didn't have a buffer savings exactly.  What we had was tax
savings.  We put 18% of every deposit into a savings account not to be
touched until tax season.  We operate under the assumption that we will have
to send all of that to Uncle Sam.  As it turned out, we not only got to keep
that, but we're actually getting a small refund (3 kids and lots of expense
deductions).  That money is what what will keep us floating through Feb.  It
is now our vacation savings, so we'll have to replenish it when 3/2 comes
around.  (We have restarted tax savings for this year, and we won't have to
dip into that.)

The comment "Anyone who is that dependent on daily deposits should start
saving their money now or perhaps find a temp job at their local food bank
for the period they won't be seeing those pennies flowing into their
account." from John Coryat is more than a little condescending.  While I am
not extremely dependent on daily deposits, I can certainly attest that I
make more than "pennies" a day.  I actually make more on sales from my one
paid app than from my full time job.



On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Nathan  wrote:

> Now people notice?
>
> They actually came from Google Checkout. If you logged into your
> Google Checkout account, it would make you accept these terms
> eventually. The holding payments was in the fine print.
>
> I was the one who posted that discussion when I saw the new terms. The
> response I got was that this is standard in the industry, which is
> true. But it also seemed like noone was inconvenienced. I was told to
> volunteer at soup kitchens or something like that. I thought that
> meant that no one was making more than pennies from Android. I can see
> now that the announcement was simply a little bit too low key.
>
> I don't have a day job. I actually sold stocks from my former day job
> to cover this gap in income that I knew was coming.  Having a savings
> buffer is a good idea anyway, but I've burned through a lot in the
> time it takes to develop an app and build up a customer base.
>
> Nathan
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Checkout transitioning to monthly payouts?

[Jon F Hancock]

Yeah.  Since spam is automatically deleted after 30 days, anything they sent
before Jan 11 is gone.  I always get the emails from
android-market-supp...@google.com.  Never had one drop into spam.  Did they
send from that address, or from another one?  At any rate, I shouldn't have
to change my spam filters.  Google should have made this announcement
publicly on the blog.  That's what the blog is for.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Streets Of Boston
wrote:

> I have received these emails (there were several of them). If they go to
> your spam folder, you should change your spam-filters :-)
> However, the run-up to the new monthly payment schedule seems to have
> generated strange deposits into my checking account the last week or so...
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Re: [android-developers] Checkout transitioning to monthly payouts?

[Jon F Hancock]

Yeah.  I'm well aware that Google is horrible at end user support, and that
it is unrealistic to expect them to either apologize or actually do
something about it.  To be clear, I have enough savings anyway that this is
not devastating for me, but rather an annoyance.  But then, I also have a
full-time job, so I'll get a paycheck between now and 3/2 anyway.  It is
really easy to become dependent on daily pay though, especially if that is
your only income.

Email or not, this should have been on one or both of the Android and
Checkout blogs.



On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Kevin Duffey  wrote:

> Wow.that does suck. I can't believe they couldn't have put something on the
> checkout page. I bet a lot of developers are very pissed right now.. not a
> good way to get developers on board with sudden changes and a mere email
> that from what many said they didn't get. There own page isn't updated yet
> to reflect this..heck I just signed up a couple days ago and it said daily
> payout.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:44 AM, TreKing  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:58 AM, JonFHancock wrote:
>>
>>> Developers should have been notified via multiple avenues
>>>
>>
>> Yes, yes they should have.
>>
>>
>>> At this point Google really needs to issue a formal apology to
>>> developers,
>>>
>>
>> Thank you, you made me laugh. =)
>>
>>
>>> and either offer developers the option to keep daily payouts, or delay
>>> the transition for a month to allow developers who have been living day
>>> to day to save up.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, that's not going to happen either. Remember you're dealing with
>> here. These are probably the same people that though switching from a 1 day
>> refund window to 15 minutes with petty much no forewarning to users was a
>> good idea.
>>
>>
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Re: [android-developers] Re: What Tablet would you get

[Jon F Hancock]

Doh! I failed to include the link for the market fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=861044

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Jon F Hancock wrote:

> Follow the first list of steps here:
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827209 to get the market
> and other Google Apps installed.
>
> Here is a fix to get the market to show you all the apps.  I just saw this,
> so I haven't tried it yet.
>
> There are a handful of ROMs for the g Tablet.  My favorite so far is
> CyanogenMod though.
>
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=851657
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Brill Pappin  wrote:
>
>> No Market? interesting.
>> I just ordered on of these things, so I guess I'm going to be doing
>> that hacking!
>> Do you have some detail on what you had to do to get it installed?
>>
>> By the way, the Samsung Galaxy Tab in Canada *does* have the market
>> installed, at least on the version I was able to test on.
>> However I have not been able to get my hands on one up here in Canada.
>>
>> - Brill
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 9, 12:54 pm, Jon F Hancock  wrote:
>> > With a little hacking, the market works fine on the g Tablet.  There are
>> > some apps that are mysteriously missing from the market, but most of it
>> is
>> > there, and others can be side loaded.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: What Tablet would you get

[Jon F Hancock]

Follow the first list of steps here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827209 to get the market
and other Google Apps installed.

Here is a fix to get the market to show you all the apps.  I just saw this,
so I haven't tried it yet.

There are a handful of ROMs for the g Tablet.  My favorite so far is
CyanogenMod though.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=851657

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Brill Pappin  wrote:

> No Market? interesting.
> I just ordered on of these things, so I guess I'm going to be doing
> that hacking!
> Do you have some detail on what you had to do to get it installed?
>
> By the way, the Samsung Galaxy Tab in Canada *does* have the market
> installed, at least on the version I was able to test on.
> However I have not been able to get my hands on one up here in Canada.
>
> - Brill
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 12:54 pm, Jon F Hancock  wrote:
> > With a little hacking, the market works fine on the g Tablet.  There are
> > some apps that are mysteriously missing from the market, but most of it
> is
> > there, and others can be side loaded.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: What Tablet would you get

[Jon F Hancock]

With a little hacking, the market works fine on the g Tablet.  There are
some apps that are mysteriously missing from the market, but most of it is
there, and others can be side loaded.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:28 AM, obie  wrote:

> wow no marketplace? That sucks.
>
> Could you post a source so I can move on?
>
> a
>
> On Dec 5, 9:52 pm, String  wrote:
> > I was digging on the Notion Ink Adam as well, even jumped through the
> > hoops for the Early Access Program. But then the price stopped me -
> > $732 (+VAT,  here in the UK)  for a pre-release device. No thanks, too
> > rich for my blood. I still like the look of it, but it's going to have
> > to be REALLY special to justify that price tag. Especially without
> > Market access.
> >
> > String
> >
> > On Dec 4, 12:14 am, clarkbriancarl  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Im holding out for the Notion Ink Adam. There is an anouncement coming
> > > on 12/9. Hopefully either the release date or pre-order.
> >
> > > I was waiting for the Archos 101, but there a quite a few unhappy
> > > people right now on archosfan.com forum concerning the latest firmware
> > > upgrade to the 7 and 101.
> >
> > > On Dec 3, 3:03 pm, Gaelin  wrote:
> >
> > > > I searched through the board and I didn't see anyone ask this yet so
> I
> > > > apologize if this has been asked. With Christmas coming up I am
> > > > considering the purchase of a couple of tablets for my development
> > > > staff to both use in development and also for personal use.  I would
> > > > appreciate your opinions on what tablet would be the most bang for
> the
> > > > buck.  So lay it on me what are you people using and how do you like
> > > > them.  There are just too many choices for me to make a decision
> > > > without help.
> >
> > > > Thanks in advance for any help,
> >
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Re: [android-developers] Re: What Tablet would you get

[Jon F Hancock]

Here is a guide to setting up the Viewsonig g Tablet with ADB in Linux.

http://jonfhancock.blogspot.com/2010/12/setting-up-adb-for-debuging-viewsonic-g.html

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Kumar Bibek  wrote:

> Yep. For windows, it should normally install the drivers itself. For linux,
> you have to do that extra bit of work. For Mac, it just works..
>
> Kumar Bibek
> http://techdroid.kbeanie.com
> http://www.kbeanie.com
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Brill Pappin  wrote:
>
>> Thats on Linux where you need to add your VVendor ID, correct?
>>
>> - Brill Pappin
>>
>> On Dec 8, 4:32 am, Jon F Hancock  wrote:
>> > Are you on windows, Linux or Mac?  You'll have to manually add the
>> vendor ID
>> > to your arbitrary settings, but where you do that depends on your
>> platform.
>> > On Dec 8, 2010 12:30 AM, "Gus"  wrote:
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Re: [android-developers] Re: What Tablet would you get

[Jon F Hancock]

For this device, you have to do it under Windows too.  Here are the
instructions for windows.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827209

<http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827209>They are different
for Linux, but not written up anywhere.  I'll blog it and link to it later
today.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Brill Pappin  wrote:

> Thats on Linux where you need to add your VVendor ID, correct?
>
> - Brill Pappin
>
> On Dec 8, 4:32 am, Jon F Hancock  wrote:
> > Are you on windows, Linux or Mac?  You'll have to manually add the vendor
> ID
> > to your arbitrary settings, but where you do that depends on your
> platform.
> > On Dec 8, 2010 12:30 AM, "Gus"  wrote:
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Re: [android-developers] Re: What Tablet would you get

[Jon F Hancock]

Are you on windows, Linux or Mac?  You'll have to manually add the vendor ID
to your arbitrary settings, but where you do that depends on your platform.
On Dec 8, 2010 12:30 AM, "Gus"  wrote:
> Hi Jon:
>
> I also have the VIewsonic 10" Tablet, and I think it's great.
> However, I'm having trouble to debug my programs because it's not
> being recognized for ADB.
> Did you try that? Is it working for you? I couldn't get the drivers
> from Viewsonic for that.
>
> Thanks;
> Gus
>
> On Dec 7, 11:00 am, Jon F Hancock  wrote:
>> So the more I use my Viewsonic g Tablet, the more I love it.  It does
have
>> some weird issues, but in general, it is fantastic.  After using Android
and
>> especially playing Angry Birds on a nice big 10" screen, my phone seems
>> useless.  If I wasn't so concerned about having internet everywhere, I
would
>> switch to a feature phone, and just use the tablet for internet and
gaming.
>>
>> It's also comforting that my main app (LauncherPro Icons) works
beautifully
>> on the higher resolution screen.  I want to scream at Google though
because
>> the Google Reader app looks great in the listing activity, then when you
go
>> to actually read a story, it confines itself to a little window the size
of
>> my phone...  What is so hard about following the design guidelines of
fluid
>> resizing, Google?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Bill Morgan  wrote:
>> >  On 12/3/2010 6:09 PM, Phil Endecott wrote: Giving a
>>
>> > crapo resistive cheaptab would be an insult.  So buy a NOOKcolor.  Or
>> > an iPad :-)
>>
>> > (Anyone here played with the new Nook yet?  I think I need to get one.)
>>
>> >  Had one for about a week now. Seems solid. B&N just
>> > made their SDK available today.
>>
>> > People over at XDA got it rooted this week:
>> >http://forum.xda-developers.com/
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Re: [android-developers] Re: What Tablet would you get

[Jon F Hancock]

So the more I use my Viewsonic g Tablet, the more I love it.  It does have
some weird issues, but in general, it is fantastic.  After using Android and
especially playing Angry Birds on a nice big 10" screen, my phone seems
useless.  If I wasn't so concerned about having internet everywhere, I would
switch to a feature phone, and just use the tablet for internet and gaming.

It's also comforting that my main app (LauncherPro Icons) works beautifully
on the higher resolution screen.  I want to scream at Google though because
the Google Reader app looks great in the listing activity, then when you go
to actually read a story, it confines itself to a little window the size of
my phone...  What is so hard about following the design guidelines of fluid
resizing, Google?


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>  On 12/3/2010 6:09 PM, Phil Endecott wrote: Giving a
>
> crapo resistive cheaptab would be an insult.  So buy a NOOKcolor.  Or
> an iPad :-)
>
> (Anyone here played with the new Nook yet?  I think I need to get one.)
>
>  Had one for about a week now. Seems solid. B&N just
> made their SDK available today.
>
> People over at XDA got it rooted this week:
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/
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