[android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-03-08 Thread monmonja
First of all thanks for using my example :) On the patent thing, if
you have a good idea similar to something that is patented, i suggest
you to put your app on other country besides US or the list of
countries that have the patent (you can google search them). One
reason is that the patent system in US is kind of a mess right now
(sorry guys its just is). Most patents in US are not global patents so
in a sea of 140+ countries, there is a good chance your app would be
big somewhere else. On the localization part, there are a lot of
willing individual on that certain country that could speak english
and is willing to translate the app for you. Btw im not a US hater but
i hate the patent system there, it kills further innovations.

On Mar 3, 12:51 am, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree it all depends on if your app makes money. If they see something
 that makes money they will come after you if you violate a Patent. In my
 case I did my homework and found out now before my app goes out that someone
 holds a patent on any case when someone takes any graphic of any image that
 represents a head and places it on graphic of anything that represents a
 body. Like JibJab does. If you look at the legal part of their JibJab's web
 site they have to pay pixfusion a license fee (at the very bottom).

 http://sendables.jibjab.com/about/legal

 Which is what my app is going to do (take a head and place it on a body).

 I wrote pixfusion two emails asking about licenses fee's and what I was
 developing but I never heard back. So I'll keep the emails that I wrote and
 if (by chance) my app does get a little popular and I do hear from them then
 I will have proof that I tried contacting them and I was proactive.

 For any developers out there reading this do a little googling on any
 major features of your app and just aware that there are MANY patents out
 there. Where if your app takes off you could get an email from some BS
 company saying you have to pay them licenses fees and/or a cease and desist
 order like K05tik got.

 There is nothing worse for a developer then spending hours of time
 developing and coding something just to find out that they have to stop
 publishing it.

 Thanks
 -Chris



 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:
  In today society everybody  can sue you for almost anything at any
  time
  ( we live in kind of free countries, in unfree countrys you will be
  just thrown to jail  )
  in case of tetris applet they claimed copyright on 4-block tiles ;)
  ( which were used in a books back in 70ies )

  Software patents do suck,  as well as actual copyright laws  ( for
  example in germany,
  EUR 0.06 per blank CD goes straight to GEMA , as well as EUR 30 on
  every new
  PC sold, and they still claim that you download music illegally)  -
  so please support your
  local pirate party.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-03-08 Thread chris harper
Thank monmonja

I found and contacted a company that holds a patent on a feature that my app
centers around.

They are going to work with me and review my app before I launch it to
discuses license agreements. I let them know I am an individual who does
have tons of money to spend on licenses so I will be interested to see what
they propose.

-Chris

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:16 AM, monmonja almondmend...@gmail.com wrote:

 First of all thanks for using my example :) On the patent thing, if
 you have a good idea similar to something that is patented, i suggest
 you to put your app on other country besides US or the list of
 countries that have the patent (you can google search them). One
 reason is that the patent system in US is kind of a mess right now
 (sorry guys its just is). Most patents in US are not global patents so
 in a sea of 140+ countries, there is a good chance your app would be
 big somewhere else. On the localization part, there are a lot of
 willing individual on that certain country that could speak english
 and is willing to translate the app for you. Btw im not a US hater but
 i hate the patent system there, it kills further innovations.

 On Mar 3, 12:51 am, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
  I agree it all depends on if your app makes money. If they see something
  that makes money they will come after you if you violate a Patent. In my
  case I did my homework and found out now before my app goes out that
 someone
  holds a patent on any case when someone takes any graphic of any image
 that
  represents a head and places it on graphic of anything that represents a
  body. Like JibJab does. If you look at the legal part of their JibJab's
 web
  site they have to pay pixfusion a license fee (at the very bottom).
 
  http://sendables.jibjab.com/about/legal
 
  Which is what my app is going to do (take a head and place it on a body).
 
  I wrote pixfusion two emails asking about licenses fee's and what I was
  developing but I never heard back. So I'll keep the emails that I wrote
 and
  if (by chance) my app does get a little popular and I do hear from them
 then
  I will have proof that I tried contacting them and I was proactive.
 
  For any developers out there reading this do a little googling on any
  major features of your app and just aware that there are MANY patents out
  there. Where if your app takes off you could get an email from some BS
  company saying you have to pay them licenses fees and/or a cease and
 desist
  order like K05tik got.
 
  There is nothing worse for a developer then spending hours of time
  developing and coding something just to find out that they have to stop
  publishing it.
 
  Thanks
  -Chris
 
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:
   In today society everybody  can sue you for almost anything at any
   time
   ( we live in kind of free countries, in unfree countrys you will be
   just thrown to jail  )
   in case of tetris applet they claimed copyright on 4-block tiles ;)
   ( which were used in a books back in 70ies )
 
   Software patents do suck,  as well as actual copyright laws  ( for
   example in germany,
   EUR 0.06 per blank CD goes straight to GEMA , as well as EUR 30 on
   every new
   PC sold, and they still claim that you download music illegally)  -
   so please support your
   local pirate party.
 
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[android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-03-08 Thread Yahel
Hey Chris,

Smart move, but depending on the time spent and the work involved you
should ask them for the minimum fee they'll ask you.

Would be too bad to create an app around there patent, give them nice
implementation ideas, and have them just tell you they won't let you
because they are doing the same, or asks for $400 000

Yahel

On 8 mar, 18:59, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank monmonja

 I found and contacted a company that holds a patent on a feature that my app
 centers around.

 They are going to work with me and review my app before I launch it to
 discuses license agreements. I let them know I am an individual who does
 have tons of money to spend on licenses so I will be interested to see what
 they propose.

 -Chris



 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:16 AM, monmonja almondmend...@gmail.com wrote:
  First of all thanks for using my example :) On the patent thing, if
  you have a good idea similar to something that is patented, i suggest
  you to put your app on other country besides US or the list of
  countries that have the patent (you can google search them). One
  reason is that the patent system in US is kind of a mess right now
  (sorry guys its just is). Most patents in US are not global patents so
  in a sea of 140+ countries, there is a good chance your app would be
  big somewhere else. On the localization part, there are a lot of
  willing individual on that certain country that could speak english
  and is willing to translate the app for you. Btw im not a US hater but
  i hate the patent system there, it kills further innovations.

  On Mar 3, 12:51 am, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
   I agree it all depends on if your app makes money. If they see something
   that makes money they will come after you if you violate a Patent. In my
   case I did my homework and found out now before my app goes out that
  someone
   holds a patent on any case when someone takes any graphic of any image
  that
   represents a head and places it on graphic of anything that represents a
   body. Like JibJab does. If you look at the legal part of their JibJab's
  web
   site they have to pay pixfusion a license fee (at the very bottom).

  http://sendables.jibjab.com/about/legal

   Which is what my app is going to do (take a head and place it on a body).

   I wrote pixfusion two emails asking about licenses fee's and what I was
   developing but I never heard back. So I'll keep the emails that I wrote
  and
   if (by chance) my app does get a little popular and I do hear from them
  then
   I will have proof that I tried contacting them and I was proactive.

   For any developers out there reading this do a little googling on any
   major features of your app and just aware that there are MANY patents out
   there. Where if your app takes off you could get an email from some BS
   company saying you have to pay them licenses fees and/or a cease and
  desist
   order like K05tik got.

   There is nothing worse for a developer then spending hours of time
   developing and coding something just to find out that they have to stop
   publishing it.

   Thanks
   -Chris

   On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:
In today society everybody  can sue you for almost anything at any
time
( we live in kind of free countries, in unfree countrys you will be
just thrown to jail  )
in case of tetris applet they claimed copyright on 4-block tiles ;)
( which were used in a books back in 70ies )

Software patents do suck,  as well as actual copyright laws  ( for
example in germany,
EUR 0.06 per blank CD goes straight to GEMA , as well as EUR 30 on
every new
PC sold, and they still claim that you download music illegally)  -
so please support your
local pirate party.

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[android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-03-08 Thread DonFrench
I would recommend against telling them that you have tons of money


On Mar 8, 9:59 am, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank monmonja

 I found and contacted a company that holds a patent on a feature that my app
 centers around.

 They are going to work with me and review my app before I launch it to
 discuses license agreements. I let them know I am an individual who does
 have tons of money to spend on licenses so I will be interested to see what
 they propose.

 -Chris

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:16 AM, monmonja almondmend...@gmail.com wrote:
  First of all thanks for using my example :) On the patent thing, if
  you have a good idea similar to something that is patented, i suggest
  you to put your app on other country besides US or the list of
  countries that have the patent (you can google search them). One
  reason is that the patent system in US is kind of a mess right now
  (sorry guys its just is). Most patents in US are not global patents so
  in a sea of 140+ countries, there is a good chance your app would be
  big somewhere else. On the localization part, there are a lot of
  willing individual on that certain country that could speak english
  and is willing to translate the app for you. Btw im not a US hater but
  i hate the patent system there, it kills further innovations.

  On Mar 3, 12:51 am, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
   I agree it all depends on if your app makes money. If they see something
   that makes money they will come after you if you violate a Patent. In my
   case I did my homework and found out now before my app goes out that
  someone
   holds a patent on any case when someone takes any graphic of any image
  that
   represents a head and places it on graphic of anything that represents a
   body. Like JibJab does. If you look at the legal part of their JibJab's
  web
   site they have to pay pixfusion a license fee (at the very bottom).

  http://sendables.jibjab.com/about/legal

   Which is what my app is going to do (take a head and place it on a body).

   I wrote pixfusion two emails asking about licenses fee's and what I was
   developing but I never heard back. So I'll keep the emails that I wrote
  and
   if (by chance) my app does get a little popular and I do hear from them
  then
   I will have proof that I tried contacting them and I was proactive.

   For any developers out there reading this do a little googling on any
   major features of your app and just aware that there are MANY patents out
   there. Where if your app takes off you could get an email from some BS
   company saying you have to pay them licenses fees and/or a cease and
  desist
   order like K05tik got.

   There is nothing worse for a developer then spending hours of time
   developing and coding something just to find out that they have to stop
   publishing it.

   Thanks
   -Chris

   On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:
In today society everybody  can sue you for almost anything at any
time
( we live in kind of free countries, in unfree countrys you will be
just thrown to jail  )
in case of tetris applet they claimed copyright on 4-block tiles ;)
( which were used in a books back in 70ies )

Software patents do suck,  as well as actual copyright laws  ( for
example in germany,
EUR 0.06 per blank CD goes straight to GEMA , as well as EUR 30 on
every new
PC sold, and they still claim that you download music illegally)  -
so please support your
local pirate party.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-03-08 Thread chris harper
Thank you for the advice Yahel.

I gut feeling is they will probably want a % of proceeds from my app. That
is what I am expecting.

I figured I didn't have any other choice. I didn't want to put my app out
there and then get hit with a high dollar settlement fee for patent
infringement.

The only other thought I had was along the lines of what monmonja said and
register my app in like Russia or something but I don't know how patent laws
work with international or if that would even work because because I live in
Colorado. lol

So I really have only one choice which is to work with them and hope they
don't ask to much for license fees.

Patent rights do make it hard to develop new ideas.

:-(

-Chris


On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Yahel kaye...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Chris,

 Smart move, but depending on the time spent and the work involved you
 should ask them for the minimum fee they'll ask you.

 Would be too bad to create an app around there patent, give them nice
 implementation ideas, and have them just tell you they won't let you
 because they are doing the same, or asks for $400 000

 Yahel

 On 8 mar, 18:59, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thank monmonja
 
  I found and contacted a company that holds a patent on a feature that my
 app
  centers around.
 
  They are going to work with me and review my app before I launch it to
  discuses license agreements. I let them know I am an individual who does
  have tons of money to spend on licenses so I will be interested to see
 what
  they propose.
 
  -Chris
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:16 AM, monmonja almondmend...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   First of all thanks for using my example :) On the patent thing, if
   you have a good idea similar to something that is patented, i suggest
   you to put your app on other country besides US or the list of
   countries that have the patent (you can google search them). One
   reason is that the patent system in US is kind of a mess right now
   (sorry guys its just is). Most patents in US are not global patents so
   in a sea of 140+ countries, there is a good chance your app would be
   big somewhere else. On the localization part, there are a lot of
   willing individual on that certain country that could speak english
   and is willing to translate the app for you. Btw im not a US hater but
   i hate the patent system there, it kills further innovations.
 
   On Mar 3, 12:51 am, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree it all depends on if your app makes money. If they see
 something
that makes money they will come after you if you violate a Patent. In
 my
case I did my homework and found out now before my app goes out that
   someone
holds a patent on any case when someone takes any graphic of any
 image
   that
represents a head and places it on graphic of anything that
 represents a
body. Like JibJab does. If you look at the legal part of their
 JibJab's
   web
site they have to pay pixfusion a license fee (at the very bottom).
 
   http://sendables.jibjab.com/about/legal
 
Which is what my app is going to do (take a head and place it on a
 body).
 
I wrote pixfusion two emails asking about licenses fee's and what I
 was
developing but I never heard back. So I'll keep the emails that I
 wrote
   and
if (by chance) my app does get a little popular and I do hear from
 them
   then
I will have proof that I tried contacting them and I was proactive.
 
For any developers out there reading this do a little googling on
 any
major features of your app and just aware that there are MANY patents
 out
there. Where if your app takes off you could get an email from some
 BS
company saying you have to pay them licenses fees and/or a cease and
   desist
order like K05tik got.
 
There is nothing worse for a developer then spending hours of time
developing and coding something just to find out that they have to
 stop
publishing it.
 
Thanks
-Chris
 
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:
 In today society everybody  can sue you for almost anything at any
 time
 ( we live in kind of free countries, in unfree countrys you will be
 just thrown to jail  )
 in case of tetris applet they claimed copyright on 4-block tiles ;)
 ( which were used in a books back in 70ies )
 
 Software patents do suck,  as well as actual copyright laws  ( for
 example in germany,
 EUR 0.06 per blank CD goes straight to GEMA , as well as EUR 30 on
 every new
 PC sold, and they still claim that you download music illegally)  -
 so please support your
 local pirate party.
 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-03-08 Thread chris harper
Agreed Don.

I made it clear the I am  a single individual who just has an idea for an
app that I would like to develop and I don't have lots of money.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:52 PM, DonFrench dcfre...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would recommend against telling them that you have tons of money


 On Mar 8, 9:59 am, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thank monmonja
 
  I found and contacted a company that holds a patent on a feature that my
 app
  centers around.
 
  They are going to work with me and review my app before I launch it to
  discuses license agreements. I let them know I am an individual who does
  have tons of money to spend on licenses so I will be interested to see
 what
  they propose.
 
  -Chris
 
  On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:16 AM, monmonja almondmend...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   First of all thanks for using my example :) On the patent thing, if
   you have a good idea similar to something that is patented, i suggest
   you to put your app on other country besides US or the list of
   countries that have the patent (you can google search them). One
   reason is that the patent system in US is kind of a mess right now
   (sorry guys its just is). Most patents in US are not global patents so
   in a sea of 140+ countries, there is a good chance your app would be
   big somewhere else. On the localization part, there are a lot of
   willing individual on that certain country that could speak english
   and is willing to translate the app for you. Btw im not a US hater but
   i hate the patent system there, it kills further innovations.
 
   On Mar 3, 12:51 am, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree it all depends on if your app makes money. If they see
 something
that makes money they will come after you if you violate a Patent. In
 my
case I did my homework and found out now before my app goes out that
   someone
holds a patent on any case when someone takes any graphic of any
 image
   that
represents a head and places it on graphic of anything that
 represents a
body. Like JibJab does. If you look at the legal part of their
 JibJab's
   web
site they have to pay pixfusion a license fee (at the very bottom).
 
   http://sendables.jibjab.com/about/legal
 
Which is what my app is going to do (take a head and place it on a
 body).
 
I wrote pixfusion two emails asking about licenses fee's and what I
 was
developing but I never heard back. So I'll keep the emails that I
 wrote
   and
if (by chance) my app does get a little popular and I do hear from
 them
   then
I will have proof that I tried contacting them and I was proactive.
 
For any developers out there reading this do a little googling on
 any
major features of your app and just aware that there are MANY patents
 out
there. Where if your app takes off you could get an email from some
 BS
company saying you have to pay them licenses fees and/or a cease and
   desist
order like K05tik got.
 
There is nothing worse for a developer then spending hours of time
developing and coding something just to find out that they have to
 stop
publishing it.
 
Thanks
-Chris
 
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:
 In today society everybody  can sue you for almost anything at any
 time
 ( we live in kind of free countries, in unfree countrys you will be
 just thrown to jail  )
 in case of tetris applet they claimed copyright on 4-block tiles ;)
 ( which were used in a books back in 70ies )
 
 Software patents do suck,  as well as actual copyright laws  ( for
 example in germany,
 EUR 0.06 per blank CD goes straight to GEMA , as well as EUR 30 on
 every new
 PC sold, and they still claim that you download music illegally)  -
 so please support your
 local pirate party.
 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-03-02 Thread chris harper
I agree it all depends on if your app makes money. If they see something
that makes money they will come after you if you violate a Patent. In my
case I did my homework and found out now before my app goes out that someone
holds a patent on any case when someone takes any graphic of any image that
represents a head and places it on graphic of anything that represents a
body. Like JibJab does. If you look at the legal part of their JibJab's web
site they have to pay pixfusion a license fee (at the very bottom).

http://sendables.jibjab.com/about/legal

Which is what my app is going to do (take a head and place it on a body).

I wrote pixfusion two emails asking about licenses fee's and what I was
developing but I never heard back. So I'll keep the emails that I wrote and
if (by chance) my app does get a little popular and I do hear from them then
I will have proof that I tried contacting them and I was proactive.

For any developers out there reading this do a little googling on any
major features of your app and just aware that there are MANY patents out
there. Where if your app takes off you could get an email from some BS
company saying you have to pay them licenses fees and/or a cease and desist
order like K05tik got.

There is nothing worse for a developer then spending hours of time
developing and coding something just to find out that they have to stop
publishing it.

Thanks
-Chris

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:

 In today society everybody  can sue you for almost anything at any
 time
 ( we live in kind of free countries, in unfree countrys you will be
 just thrown to jail  )
 in case of tetris applet they claimed copyright on 4-block tiles ;)
 ( which were used in a books back in 70ies )

 Software patents do suck,  as well as actual copyright laws  ( for
 example in germany,
 EUR 0.06 per blank CD goes straight to GEMA , as well as EUR 30 on
 every new
 PC sold, and they still claim that you download music illegally)  -
 so please support your
 local pirate party.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-03-01 Thread chris harper
Thank you for responding ko5tik.

I think you are right. The people who open these patents won't care unless
your app is doing well because they just want the money.

I disagree somewhat with Dmitri.
I think developers need to be aware that many features that they might put
in their application can have imposing law suits that might come against
them for some Patent infringement. That is something they need to be aware
of. Maybe a separate thread or something because I have done some research
on the web and there are MANY out there and a lot of them are really stupid.
Like holding a patent on caller lookup?! That can effect SO many
applications.
So as a developer I am going to try (emphasis on try) and develop my
application so it's robust enough that I can add/remove features if I need
to.

1th hit and you had to cease and desist?

That sucks. Truly. Sorry to hear that.

-Chris

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:35 AM, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It depends heavily on laws of your place of residence
 and importance of your application.  Most probably nobody will
 ever notice.   However, I managed to get attention of lawyers
 representing
 nice delaware company holding right of tetris because of my applet
 game
 (used to be 1th hit in google )  - but no lawsuit,  just cease and
 desist letter.

 On Feb 27, 10:11 pm, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi
 
  I read this article and it concerns me. It's about patent
  infringements for the caller ID within android applications.
 
  http://techdirt.com/articles/20100224/0244468285.shtml
 
  I am writing an application for android which uses the
  PhoneStateListener and following the example outlined in this article:
 http://almondmendoza.com/2009/01/30/getting-the-contact-info-when-on-...
 
  Have you guys at Google experienced developers being sued for using
  this feature (besides the one in the article of course).
 
  Should I be concerned here if I used this feature in my application?
 
  Thank you
  -Chris

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[android-developers] Re: Can I get sued for using Android Caller ID?? -Please answer

2010-02-28 Thread ko5tik
It depends heavily on laws of your place of residence
and importance of your application.  Most probably nobody will
ever notice.   However, I managed to get attention of lawyers
representing
nice delaware company holding right of tetris because of my applet
game
(used to be 1th hit in google )  - but no lawsuit,  just cease and
desist letter.

On Feb 27, 10:11 pm, chris harper ch393...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 I read this article and it concerns me. It's about patent
 infringements for the caller ID within android applications.

 http://techdirt.com/articles/20100224/0244468285.shtml

 I am writing an application for android which uses the
 PhoneStateListener and following the example outlined in this 
 article:http://almondmendoza.com/2009/01/30/getting-the-contact-info-when-on-...

 Have you guys at Google experienced developers being sued for using
 this feature (besides the one in the article of course).

 Should I be concerned here if I used this feature in my application?

 Thank you
 -Chris

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