[android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
I hope you're right Brill, but the 7 months with 'zero' movement on
this issue in 'any' country, doesn't sit well with it.
The trouble for ALL Android app developers who want to sell
applications for years to come, is that developers from the countries
'not' in those 9 (Germany, Austria, Japan, Italy, Spain, France, the
Netherlands, UK and US), tend to release their applications for free
(thereby undermining the commercial proposition for those developers
in the 9 countries). This makes the proposition for 'ads within apps'
the better long-term proposition on Android in 'ALL' countries. This
of course suits Google's time-honored Business Model, which is more
than ample reason for them sitting on their hands, tight-lipped about
this whole impasse.
Cheers,
Steve
On Apr 8, 12:54 am, Brill Pappin wrote:
> I suspect the issues is actually not that they don't want to allow it,
> I think that the issue is that they are trying to keep everything
> inside their own umbrella.
>
> What I mean is, Google has a payment processor business and they have
> the app business; they are trying to keep everything under one roof.
>
> The problem is not actually that the Market won't do it, its that
> Google Checkout can't and having worked with payment processors a lot,
> I can tell you that some countries are much easier to get access to
> payment systems than others.
>
> In Canada, its difficult (not sure about Australia) to get access to
> the payment networks because here we have fairly strict regulations on
> Banks etc and they don't like people on their turf.
>
> Apple on the other hand doesn't have anything invested as a payment
> processor, and so doesn't have the same limitation because they can
> use any of the many existing ones that handle Canadian transactions
> already.
>
> So, my guess is that Google Checkout is having trouble dealing with
> the Canadian financial system and getting in the door, however that
> failure is hurting their other departments, such as the Android Market
>
> What they should be doing IMO is simply hooking into another existing
> processor for countries like Canada until they can sort out their
> processor troubles. From our perspective we would not even notice the
> change accept possibly by having to enter new credit card data (not
> even google is allowed to store it).
>
> This is a guess of course, but based on a little knowledge of the
> processor industry.
>
> - Brill Pappin
>
> On Apr 7, 9:45 am, gosh wrote:
>
>
>
> > I wouldn't hold your breathe there Brill.
>
> > If you do a search in this group on thread titled 'Countries for
> > selling priced applications in Android Market' you'll see that many
> > others 'were' asking this question back in August 2009 (and elsewhere
> > in this group). Google allowed nine countries to sell apps from Sep
> > 2009 and nothing has changed in the 7 months since then.
> > My interest then 'was' in selling Android apps from Australia.
>
> > I approached an Australian Senator ('for the Digital Economy') to try
> > and see what was happening at Google on this issue (since they don't
> > answer such questions from mere mortals, or even from their own
> > collaborating developers) - but the answer the Senator got back with
> > was simple and the same: 'we are working on more countries'. Tim
> > O'Reilly got me an avenue to someone a bit further up the Google food
> > chain ... same simple non-committal answer came back to us: 'we are
> > working on more countries'.
>
> > If you are looking for a professional response to this sort of a
> > question, from a global company that knows something about application
> > developer relations in an international context, I recommend that you
> > look at what Sun/Oracle tell their International enquirers wrt the
> > same issue at the 'Java Shop', on the web-page here 'Java Warehouse
> > Developer Center - Supported Locations':
>
> >http://java.sun.com/warehouse/overview/locations.jsp
>
> > ...the issues they cite there regarding seller countries are likely to
> > be the very same issues that Goggle would be facing with CheckOut and
> > Apps, iff they actually do intend to include more countries.
>
> > The fact the Google can't get a page of information like that to their
> > own enquiring Android developers, suggests to me that either: 1). They
> > are not an Internationally competent company when it comes to
> > collaborating with grass-roots developers; or, 2). They have no
> > intention of allowing developers from further countries to sell
> > Android apps (now that they have a critical mass of apps to compete
> > with iPhone).
>
> > Since you (and I) are not from the favored 9 countries, and since 7
> > months have passed, if you want to make some money from your Android
> > apps, you should release it for 'free' and simply embed advertising in
> > it ... as many other developers in this predicament are already doing.
> > Its also a 'great value' move for Android phone users.
>
> > (Btw if you look at T
[android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
I suspect the issues is actually not that they don't want to allow it,
I think that the issue is that they are trying to keep everything
inside their own umbrella.
What I mean is, Google has a payment processor business and they have
the app business; they are trying to keep everything under one roof.
The problem is not actually that the Market won't do it, its that
Google Checkout can't and having worked with payment processors a lot,
I can tell you that some countries are much easier to get access to
payment systems than others.
In Canada, its difficult (not sure about Australia) to get access to
the payment networks because here we have fairly strict regulations on
Banks etc and they don't like people on their turf.
Apple on the other hand doesn't have anything invested as a payment
processor, and so doesn't have the same limitation because they can
use any of the many existing ones that handle Canadian transactions
already.
So, my guess is that Google Checkout is having trouble dealing with
the Canadian financial system and getting in the door, however that
failure is hurting their other departments, such as the Android Market
What they should be doing IMO is simply hooking into another existing
processor for countries like Canada until they can sort out their
processor troubles. From our perspective we would not even notice the
change accept possibly by having to enter new credit card data (not
even google is allowed to store it).
This is a guess of course, but based on a little knowledge of the
processor industry.
- Brill Pappin
On Apr 7, 9:45 am, gosh wrote:
> I wouldn't hold your breathe there Brill.
>
> If you do a search in this group on thread titled 'Countries for
> selling priced applications in Android Market' you'll see that many
> others 'were' asking this question back in August 2009 (and elsewhere
> in this group). Google allowed nine countries to sell apps from Sep
> 2009 and nothing has changed in the 7 months since then.
> My interest then 'was' in selling Android apps from Australia.
>
> I approached an Australian Senator ('for the Digital Economy') to try
> and see what was happening at Google on this issue (since they don't
> answer such questions from mere mortals, or even from their own
> collaborating developers) - but the answer the Senator got back with
> was simple and the same: 'we are working on more countries'. Tim
> O'Reilly got me an avenue to someone a bit further up the Google food
> chain ... same simple non-committal answer came back to us: 'we are
> working on more countries'.
>
> If you are looking for a professional response to this sort of a
> question, from a global company that knows something about application
> developer relations in an international context, I recommend that you
> look at what Sun/Oracle tell their International enquirers wrt the
> same issue at the 'Java Shop', on the web-page here 'Java Warehouse
> Developer Center - Supported Locations':
>
> http://java.sun.com/warehouse/overview/locations.jsp
>
> ...the issues they cite there regarding seller countries are likely to
> be the very same issues that Goggle would be facing with CheckOut and
> Apps, iff they actually do intend to include more countries.
>
> The fact the Google can't get a page of information like that to their
> own enquiring Android developers, suggests to me that either: 1). They
> are not an Internationally competent company when it comes to
> collaborating with grass-roots developers; or, 2). They have no
> intention of allowing developers from further countries to sell
> Android apps (now that they have a critical mass of apps to compete
> with iPhone).
>
> Since you (and I) are not from the favored 9 countries, and since 7
> months have passed, if you want to make some money from your Android
> apps, you should release it for 'free' and simply embed advertising in
> it ... as many other developers in this predicament are already doing.
> Its also a 'great value' move for Android phone users.
>
> (Btw if you look at Tim OReilly's recent blog on 'The State of the
> Internet Operating System'
> -http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/03/state-of-internet-operating-system.html
> - a long but very good and insightful read, you will see that while he
> cites iPhone, iPad and the App Store, he doesn't cite Android Market
> in a 'selling apps' future (i.e. under the heading 'Access Control'),
> but he does mention Google re Admob under the 'Advertising' aspect of
> the Internet Operating System).
>
> Cheers
> Steve
>
> On Apr 6, 12:06 am, Brill Pappin wrote:
>
>
>
> > Does anyone have any idea when Google plans to allow us Canadian
> > developers to actually create accounts for selling apps in the Market?
>
> > I am completely flabbergasted that I can't set that up. Major FAIL.
>
> > - Brill Pappin
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[android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
I wouldn't hold your breathe there Brill.
If you do a search in this group on thread titled 'Countries for
selling priced applications in Android Market' you'll see that many
others 'were' asking this question back in August 2009 (and elsewhere
in this group). Google allowed nine countries to sell apps from Sep
2009 and nothing has changed in the 7 months since then.
My interest then 'was' in selling Android apps from Australia.
I approached an Australian Senator ('for the Digital Economy') to try
and see what was happening at Google on this issue (since they don't
answer such questions from mere mortals, or even from their own
collaborating developers) - but the answer the Senator got back with
was simple and the same: 'we are working on more countries'. Tim
O'Reilly got me an avenue to someone a bit further up the Google food
chain ... same simple non-committal answer came back to us: 'we are
working on more countries'.
If you are looking for a professional response to this sort of a
question, from a global company that knows something about application
developer relations in an international context, I recommend that you
look at what Sun/Oracle tell their International enquirers wrt the
same issue at the 'Java Shop', on the web-page here 'Java Warehouse
Developer Center - Supported Locations':
http://java.sun.com/warehouse/overview/locations.jsp
...the issues they cite there regarding seller countries are likely to
be the very same issues that Goggle would be facing with CheckOut and
Apps, iff they actually do intend to include more countries.
The fact the Google can't get a page of information like that to their
own enquiring Android developers, suggests to me that either: 1). They
are not an Internationally competent company when it comes to
collaborating with grass-roots developers; or, 2). They have no
intention of allowing developers from further countries to sell
Android apps (now that they have a critical mass of apps to compete
with iPhone).
Since you (and I) are not from the favored 9 countries, and since 7
months have passed, if you want to make some money from your Android
apps, you should release it for 'free' and simply embed advertising in
it ... as many other developers in this predicament are already doing.
Its also a 'great value' move for Android phone users.
(Btw if you look at Tim OReilly's recent blog on 'The State of the
Internet Operating System' -
http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/03/state-of-internet-operating-system.html
- a long but very good and insightful read, you will see that while he
cites iPhone, iPad and the App Store, he doesn't cite Android Market
in a 'selling apps' future (i.e. under the heading 'Access Control'),
but he does mention Google re Admob under the 'Advertising' aspect of
the Internet Operating System).
Cheers
Steve
On Apr 6, 12:06 am, Brill Pappin wrote:
> Does anyone have any idea when Google plans to allow us Canadian
> developers to actually create accounts for selling apps in the Market?
>
> I am completely flabbergasted that I can't set that up. Major FAIL.
>
> - Brill Pappin
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[android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
Hi Scott! Yah, it has, Startup Weekend Toronto I think, but I see posts from you now and then :) I am *very* amazed at the fact that I can't sell anything in the Market. Based on how long this and other issues (link linking) are taking to resolve I'm starting to question Googles commitment to doing it, as the linking issue at least shouldn't be all that hard to fix. Not only are things not getting handled, but as far as I can see, Google is being very silent on the issue... not even any minimal Apple style leaks! I also own an iPhone so I've been comparing the day to day usability of the Nexus One and checking out how to write apps for it. Very first thing I did was create an iPhone keyboard layout because the default Android one was giving me trouble :) http://and-download.hobbyistsoftware.com/android/download?name=iPhone%20Keyboard%20Emulator&id=com.sixgreen.android.softkeyboard Its free now because its an EA (early access) build, but if I am going to keep working on it, it would be nice to make a little money to support its development. - Brill On Apr 6, 12:09 pm, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Brill Pappin wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea when Google plans to allow us Canadian > > developers to actually create accounts for selling apps in the Market? > > > I am completely flabbergasted that I can't set that up. Major FAIL. > > Hey Brill, > > Long time no see! I have to completely agree with you on the FAIL -- > this has been outstanding for quite some time. > > I was under the impression that once we were able to purchase apps > from the market we'd also be able to sell; I paid my fee right away > and became a registered Android developer... We can offer free apps > but still can't sell. > > I suppose it was an error on my part making that particular connection > between market and checkout, but I'm holding out and hoping this will > be resolved in the near term. Lord knows there is a large number of > developers in Canada just waiting to make a splash. :-) > > -- > Scott Elcomb > http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 > > Member of the Pirate Party of Canada > http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
Thanks. I may try and use it or rewrite it for branding. Actually, I bet if you branded it like the Android Market, google would notice :) They would ask you to take it down but at least you'd get their attention! - Brill On Apr 6, 11:59 am, Rob wrote: > you can link to an app with my new web-service > > -I know, crazy that I have to build such a thing, but until google fix > this, you are welcome to use it. > > http://and-download.hobbyistsoftware.com > > this is an example > linkhttp://and-download.hobbyistsoftware.com/android/download?name=VLC > Remote&id=com.hobbyistsoftware.android.vlcremote > > if you click from your device, it works like a market:// link. If you > click from the desktop - the site offers to send an email to your device. > > cheers, > > Rob > > > > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:55:24 +0100, Brill Pappin wrote: > > It's downright crazy. I don't think it's all the Android Market > > department's fault, as they relay on Google Checkout to handle > > payment, but the checkout folks will not allow a Canadian address or > > account information as a seller (I was able to buy my N1 through the > > market without any problem though). > > > It may be that nobody is driving at Android Market because we *still* > > can do something as simple as link to an app. > > > Anyway, somebody at Android Market needs to do some Google Checkout > > ass kicking ASAP. > > > - Brill > > > On Apr 5, 2:14 pm, Kevin Duffey wrote: > >> You still can't? That is crazy.. wonder why... one thing I still don't > >> get > >> is why there is no built in conversion of money. If I can buy a UK app, > >> can't it list it in USD or at least show both so I can know how much it > >> will > >> cost.. and then allow me to buy it? I've not bought an app yet, just > >> from > >> what I've read it sounds like that is an issue. If not, I retract this > >> statement. > > >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Brill Pappin wrote: > >> > Does anyone have any idea when Google plans to allow us Canadian > >> > developers to actually create accounts for selling apps in the Market? > > >> > I am completely flabbergasted that I can't set that up. Major FAIL. > > >> > - Brill Pappin > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups "Android Developers" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> android-developers@googlegroups.com > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> > >> cr...@googlegroups.com> > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > >> > To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
you can link to an app with my new web-service -I know, crazy that I have to build such a thing, but until google fix this, you are welcome to use it. http://and-download.hobbyistsoftware.com this is an example link http://and-download.hobbyistsoftware.com/android/download?name=VLC Remote&id=com.hobbyistsoftware.android.vlcremote if you click from your device, it works like a market:// link. If you click from the desktop - the site offers to send an email to your device. cheers, Rob On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:55:24 +0100, Brill Pappin wrote: It's downright crazy. I don't think it's all the Android Market department's fault, as they relay on Google Checkout to handle payment, but the checkout folks will not allow a Canadian address or account information as a seller (I was able to buy my N1 through the market without any problem though). It may be that nobody is driving at Android Market because we *still* can do something as simple as link to an app. Anyway, somebody at Android Market needs to do some Google Checkout ass kicking ASAP. - Brill On Apr 5, 2:14 pm, Kevin Duffey wrote: You still can't? That is crazy.. wonder why... one thing I still don't get is why there is no built in conversion of money. If I can buy a UK app, can't it list it in USD or at least show both so I can know how much it will cost.. and then allow me to buy it? I've not bought an app yet, just from what I've read it sounds like that is an issue. If not, I retract this statement. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Brill Pappin wrote: > Does anyone have any idea when Google plans to allow us Canadian > developers to actually create accounts for selling apps in the Market? > I am completely flabbergasted that I can't set that up. Major FAIL. > - Brill Pappin > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcr...@googlegroups.com> > For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Selling apps from Canada in the Market?
It's downright crazy. I don't think it's all the Android Market department's fault, as they relay on Google Checkout to handle payment, but the checkout folks will not allow a Canadian address or account information as a seller (I was able to buy my N1 through the market without any problem though). It may be that nobody is driving at Android Market because we *still* can do something as simple as link to an app. Anyway, somebody at Android Market needs to do some Google Checkout ass kicking ASAP. - Brill On Apr 5, 2:14 pm, Kevin Duffey wrote: > You still can't? That is crazy.. wonder why... one thing I still don't get > is why there is no built in conversion of money. If I can buy a UK app, > can't it list it in USD or at least show both so I can know how much it will > cost.. and then allow me to buy it? I've not bought an app yet, just from > what I've read it sounds like that is an issue. If not, I retract this > statement. > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Brill Pappin wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea when Google plans to allow us Canadian > > developers to actually create accounts for selling apps in the Market? > > > I am completely flabbergasted that I can't set that up. Major FAIL. > > > - Brill Pappin > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > cr...@googlegroups.com> > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > > To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
