RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant [Solved]

[Chappell, Simon P]

Well, I was so desperate to get it working that I went back to the install docs that I 
haven't read since I installed ant the first ever time. And right there it told me 
that I need to have a REALLY short directory name for ant on Windows 95/98 and I 
assumed ME. Once I installed ant in c:\ant, everything just worked. I wish it wasn't 
like that, but I can live with it.

Thanks to everyone for all of the suggestions. Now I can go back to lurking on the 
list and just being a happy ant user. :-)

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Dominique Devienne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:14 PM
>To: 'Ant Users List'
>Subject: RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>
>
>Well, aren't you saying you *really* want it to work ;-)
>
>Another solution that might be better is to start Ant yourself using
>something simple like:
>
>java -Dant.home=C:\pro\ant1.5.1 -jar C:\pro\ant1.5.1\lib\ant.jar ...
>
>This will work great until you start using tasks that have external
>dependencies, like . Then, what you could do, is put 
>the dependent
>JARs in C:\pro\ant1.5.1\lib, and edit ant.jar's Manifest to adjust the
>Class-Path entry.
>
>DOS *is* really a crappy shell, even in its WinNT/2K/XP variants. --DD
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:49 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>
>I haven't tried that. Seems a little "over the top" to install another
>programming language so that I can run my Java build system! ;-)
>
>Would it make sense to write a 98/ME specific ant.bat? I'm way 
>rusty on my
>DOS scripting, but it might be a useful thing for the project 
>to have and I
>REALLY want to get ant working on this box.
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Dominique Devienne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:45 PM
>>To: 'Ant Users List'
>>Subject: RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>>
>>
>>Have you tried installing Perl or Python and use ant.pl or 
>>ant.py instead of
>>the very flaky on Win95/98/ME ant.bat??? --DD
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:39 PM
>>To: Ant Users List; Jim Cobban
>>Subject: RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>>
>>I'm having the same issue on Windows ME (see the post about 
>four emails
>>before yours) and I tried the same thing and had the same 
>>result. It seems
>>to me that 98 and ME have quite the amount in common. This is 
>>a huge issue
>>for me as I build everything in ant these days. I'm even converting my
>>website over to XML/XSL/XSLT and ant!
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Jim Cobban [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:40 PM
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>>>
>>>
>>>While I wait for a solution to the problem in ant.bat I have 
>>>replaced the 'if exist' statement with an unconditional goto.
>>>
>>>Now I get:
>>>
>>>D:\MyPrograms\JavaProgs\CensusServlet\ReadXls>ant
>>>Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
>>>org/apache/tools/ant/Main
>>>
>>>So I assume that the classpath is wrong.  However there is 
>>>nothing in the installation instructions about setting the classpath.
>>>
>>>Personally I think there is a problem with the installation 
>>>instructions.
>>>
>>>Jim Cobban   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>34 Palomino Dr.
>>>Kanata, ON, CANADA
>>>K2M 1M1
>>>+1-613-592-9438
>>>
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RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant

[Chappell, Simon P]

I haven't tried that. Seems a little "over the top" to install another programming 
language so that I can run my Java build system! ;-)

Would it make sense to write a 98/ME specific ant.bat? I'm way rusty on my DOS 
scripting, but it might be a useful thing for the project to have and I REALLY want to 
get ant working on this box.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Dominique Devienne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:45 PM
>To: 'Ant Users List'
>Subject: RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>
>
>Have you tried installing Perl or Python and use ant.pl or 
>ant.py instead of
>the very flaky on Win95/98/ME ant.bat??? --DD
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:39 PM
>To: Ant Users List; Jim Cobban
>Subject: RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>
>I'm having the same issue on Windows ME (see the post about four emails
>before yours) and I tried the same thing and had the same 
>result. It seems
>to me that 98 and ME have quite the amount in common. This is 
>a huge issue
>for me as I build everything in ant these days. I'm even converting my
>website over to XML/XSL/XSLT and ant!
>
>Simon
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Jim Cobban [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:40 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>>
>>
>>While I wait for a solution to the problem in ant.bat I have 
>>replaced the 'if exist' statement with an unconditional goto.
>>
>>Now I get:
>>
>>D:\MyPrograms\JavaProgs\CensusServlet\ReadXls>ant
>>Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
>>org/apache/tools/ant/Main
>>
>>So I assume that the classpath is wrong.  However there is 
>>nothing in the installation instructions about setting the classpath.
>>
>>Personally I think there is a problem with the installation 
>>instructions.
>>
>>Jim Cobban   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>34 Palomino Dr.
>>Kanata, ON, CANADA
>>K2M 1M1
>>+1-613-592-9438
>>
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RE: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant

[Chappell, Simon P]

I'm having the same issue on Windows ME (see the post about four emails before yours) 
and I tried the same thing and had the same result. It seems to me that 98 and ME have 
quite the amount in common. This is a huge issue for me as I build everything in ant 
these days. I'm even converting my website over to XML/XSL/XSLT and ant!

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Jim Cobban [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:40 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: NoClassDefFound trying to run ant
>
>
>While I wait for a solution to the problem in ant.bat I have 
>replaced the 'if exist' statement with an unconditional goto.
>
>Now I get:
>
>D:\MyPrograms\JavaProgs\CensusServlet\ReadXls>ant
>Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
>org/apache/tools/ant/Main
>
>So I assume that the classpath is wrong.  However there is 
>nothing in the installation instructions about setting the classpath.
>
>Personally I think there is a problem with the installation 
>instructions.
>
>Jim Cobban   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>34 Palomino Dr.
>Kanata, ON, CANADA
>K2M 1M1
>+1-613-592-9438
>

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Ant 1.5.1 on Windows ME

[Chappell, Simon P]

I am successfully and happily running ant on Windows 2K, Linux and Mac OS X, but now 
that my wife is surrendering my Windows ME laptop back to me for portable tinkering, I 
am having great frustrations getting ant 1.5.1 to work on it.

With JDK 1.4.1 and 1.3.1, I get the "ANT_HOME is set incorrectly or ant could not be 
located. Please set ANT_HOME" message. I have both JAVA_HOME and ANT_HOME set and the 
appropriate entries added to PATH. I run without a CLASSPATH environment variable, 
does that make a difference on Windows ME? I read through a bunch of the ant mailing 
list archive, but the only thing I could find was a refernce to a trailing backslash 
that one person had on their ANT_HOME environment variable. I have checked that and my 
environment variables look correct.

Because it's the only personal Windows box that I have and I have a couple of games 
that I still like to play on it, I'd rather not reformat and install Linux, but if 
necessary, I will. Any and all help appreciated.

Simon

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RE: Ant Featured in Out-of-the-Box

[Chappell, Simon P]

Exactly. I really don't want ant to be the installer, but I do want it to help in the 
install process.

Setting persistent environment variables on windows boxen would be very useful for me.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Bill Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:05 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Ant Featured in Out-of-the-Box
>
>
>Hello,
>
>Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>> Now how excellent can you get!? :-)
>> 
>> I have been considering using ant for some installs, but had 
>wondered if it would really be suitable, now I'll look again 
>at the matter.
>> 
>> Question (which may be answered on your site, but I haven't 
>read it all yet) how do you manage to ensure that you have a 
>JRE/SDK available for ant when running from a CD-ROM and how 
>do you set Windows environment variables so that they will 
>persist across sessions?
>
>That's why Ant on it's own may not be a suitable tool 
>depending on your 
>requirements.  However, I used Ant in a project that used a commercial 
>installer for the GUI and JVM avalibility, etc. and then at 
>the end, it 
>handed off to Ant to configure or update the installation in 
>various ways:
>* Upgrade an older product to a new one.
>* Update .properties files.
>* Fix newlines on text files.
>* Fix permissions on files.
>* Initialize a database schema and data.
>
>Using Ant for those tasks really made the project much easier to work 
>with and more maintainable.
>
>-Bill
>
>> Simon
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Eric Weidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:43 PM
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Ant Featured in Out-of-the-Box
>>>
>>>
>>>FYI, Ant is featured in Out-of-the-Box 1.0, a distribution of Open
>>>Source projects.
>>>
>>>We wrote over 23,000 lines of Ant scripts to automatically install,
>>>configure, and integrate over 50 Open Source projects, 
>>>including most of
>>>the Jakarta projects, on both Linux and Windows and we'd just like to
>>>say that Ant rocks!
>>>
>>>Free Community Edition for Linux documentation containing detailed
>>>step-by-step installation and configuration instructions for 
>>>most of the
>>>Open Source projects we integrated can be found here: 
>>>
>>>http://www.ejbsolutions.com/products/obox/community/pt02.html 
>>>
>>>
>>>Everything you see in the documentation, and much more, is automated
>>>using Ant with a little BSF/BeanShell in the few places 
>where we needed
>>>full Java power.  Quite simply, this project would not have been
>>>possible without Ant.
>
>
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RE: Ant Featured in Out-of-the-Box

[Chappell, Simon P]

Steve,

True ... but:

I'm looking to use it for throwing open source software onto a machine from a CD after 
it's had the base os installed (win, linux or os x). If you get a mess, then delete it 
and try again. I am certainly not looking at ant as a replacement for GUI style 
installers.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:39 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Ant Featured in Out-of-the-Box
>
>
>Ant isnt a consumer grade installer as it doesnt install things as
>transactions, and as everyone knows, the worst install is one 
>that stops
>halfway leaving things in an indeterminate mess.
>
>But that's not surprising, ant was never written as an install 
>tool. I use
>it all the time for deployment tho'.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Ant Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 05:56
>Subject: RE: Ant Featured in Out-of-the-Box
>
>
>Now how excellent can you get!? :-)
>
>I have been considering using ant for some installs, but had 
>wondered if it
>would really be suitable, now I'll look again at the matter.
>
>Question (which may be answered on your site, but I haven't 
>read it all yet)
>how do you manage to ensure that you have a JRE/SDK available 
>for ant when
>running from a CD-ROM and how do you set Windows environment 
>variables so
>that they will persist across sessions?
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Ant Featured in Out-of-the-Box

[Chappell, Simon P]

Now how excellent can you get!? :-)

I have been considering using ant for some installs, but had wondered if it would 
really be suitable, now I'll look again at the matter.

Question (which may be answered on your site, but I haven't read it all yet) how do 
you manage to ensure that you have a JRE/SDK available for ant when running from a 
CD-ROM and how do you set Windows environment variables so that they will persist 
across sessions?

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Eric Weidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:43 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Ant Featured in Out-of-the-Box
>
>
>FYI, Ant is featured in Out-of-the-Box 1.0, a distribution of Open
>Source projects.
>
>We wrote over 23,000 lines of Ant scripts to automatically install,
>configure, and integrate over 50 Open Source projects, 
>including most of
>the Jakarta projects, on both Linux and Windows and we'd just like to
>say that Ant rocks!
>
>Free Community Edition for Linux documentation containing detailed
>step-by-step installation and configuration instructions for 
>most of the
>Open Source projects we integrated can be found here: 
>
>http://www.ejbsolutions.com/products/obox/community/pt02.html 
>
>
>Everything you see in the documentation, and much more, is automated
>using Ant with a little BSF/BeanShell in the few places where we needed
>full Java power.  Quite simply, this project would not have been
>possible without Ant.
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Looking for a Build Philosophy

[Chappell, Simon P]

>-Original Message-
>From: Scott Francis [mailto:scott.francis@;newisys.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:51 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: Looking for a Build Philosophy
>
>
>Ok, there have been a lot of decent comments coming from the 
>mailing list but let me take things to a little higher level view.

Agreed. This is a great discussion.

>1)  First off without managerial support you will not be able 
>to achieve any type of build management.  If you have 

Sure you can. I'm not a manager, but by pointing out the benefits of regular 
integration and builds, I got developer buy-in.

>developers who are used to doing things a certain way (being 
>however they feel like doing it that day), you are going to be 
>very hard pressed to get them to change.  That being said, if 
>you can get a change in place you must also have a system in 
>which to enforce and in some cases punish those that are 
>violating the structure.  Without that good luck.  Have 
>developer performance reviews be negatively affected by 
>habitual build breakers.

Ouch! I know that we had to bring in treats if we broke the build, but that was in 
fun. Your suggestion doesn't sound like fun to me.

>2)  All code must be properly built and unit tested prior to 
>being checked into the tree.  This should usually consist of 
>taking a fresh pull of the code base and overlaying the 
>changed code (it's amazing how over people forget that they 
>changed these 1 or 2 files (especially header files) and do 
>not catch it because it "worked on my box" in their 
>development environment).

Agreed. Hence we maintained a separate integration area. Just because it built in your 
sandbox, I won't believe that it truely builds until I see it compile in my 
integration area.

>3)  Create a nightly build process.  This is one of the most 
>valuable tools that you have.  Testing and QA teams can update 
>their image from successful nightly builds.  Unsuccessful 
>nightly builds can be given back to the developers to 
>determine why this was done and what the necessary fix is.

Automated nightly builds are great, but the next best thing is running one each 
morning. Thankfully, our system had no EJBs and built quite quickly.

>4)  Have a separate CM/Build person who is also responsible 
>for creating the development and release process.  By doing 
>this, you are have someone who will be willing to make the 
>"unpopular" but "correct" decisions about how things should be 
>done.  Developers notoriously do not like creating Unit Test 
>plans or Release Notes.  Forcing this as exit criteria from 
>the development and entry criteria into the testing process 
>helps grease these wheels.

That was me. As technical lead, it was my job to make unpopular decisions anyway.

>5)  Constantly look for ways to optimize and automate the 
>process.  I personally like to use an iterative approach with 
>my duties.  Usually I'm walking in as a configuration mgmt 
>role that they have no semblance of a process.  Triage is a 
>highly effective skill when it comes to this.  First thing I 

Agreed. We did that too.

>always do is automate the build.  Then throw it into a 
>nightly.  Then look for inefficiencies within the build tree 
>or directory structure.  Next round two of automation 
>(automated testing/deployment).  All the while constantly 
>writing reams and reams of approach doc and process doc in 
>order to create the foundation of what I'm trying to get done. 
> As the system becomes more and more automated...and the 
>documentation on the process gets more and more verbose, your 
>job becomes infinitely easier.  New developers can just RTFM 
>and become product members of the development community.  The 
>automated processes make your life easier and give you more 
>time to continue to tighten down the hatches and explore new 
>technologies that might make your role even more fun and rewarding.
>
>6)  If you are the build manager...make sure you never let 
>anyone know how much you like your job.  Most people in the 
>organization take pity on us because they don't think we enjoy 
>our jobs.  Truth be told, I've had more fun in CM then I ever 
>thought possible.  It's a very flexible role that allows you 
>coding, process, and personal interaction on a day in day out 
>basis.  But at the same time, I'm more than happy to hear 
>people lament on how awful my job must be and how they are so 
>happy that it's me an not them in the role :)

Oops. I forgot to look sad all the time. ;-)

>
>Scott
>

Simon

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RE: IDE

[Chappell, Simon P]

Now there's a question to start a flamewar! ;-)

I find that I'm able to use different IDEs and still build my projects using ant by 
calling it from a command line. This removes the IDE question for me. Now that 
VisualAge for Java is history (mostly), no IDE doesn't allow you direct access to the 
source files in your project.

So my answer is anything or nothing and call ant from the command line.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: George Smith [mailto:gsmith@;budgetext.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:41 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: IDE
>
>
>What IDE do most ant users use ?
>The choices are overwhelming.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>George R Smith
>On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' 
>section, it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. 
>So I installed Linux!
> 
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RE: Looking for a Build Philosophy

[Chappell, Simon P]

Good question. Here's what I just did on my last project:

As technical lead and the only person who had used ant and our Source Code Management 
system before, I ended up taking on the role of build manager. By the end of the 
project, when I had to hand off to the maintenance team, I was quite enjoying it.

I would start each day by bringing in the latest work checked into the SCM (CM Synergy 
from Telelogic). I would then compile the entire project using "ant clean build", 
which would compile everything and build our output WAR file. We didn't use any EJBs, 
so we didn't need to go to the effort of building an EAR file. If the project built 
successfully (including running junit tests and XML configuration file validations) 
then the new work was Integrated and made available for the development team. I would 
repeat this process after lunch and on an ad-hoc basis if required.

One interesting thing we did for fun, was to specify that anyone who broke the build 
was required to bring in treats for the team the next day (Bagels and Cream Cheese was 
the most popular treat). This is a wonderful motivator ... in fact we had to start 
buying treats for wacky and offbeat reasons as I think that we broke the build less 
than a handful of times in about four months! (Nice problem to have! :-)

On a philosphical note, to me, any project that cannot be compiled at a moments notice 
has a problem. By compile, I mean the integration build. Obviously, developer 
workareas are unbuildable during editing sessions.

Testing was big for us, but I think on future projects testing will be BIG BIG BIG! We 
used Junit and Jtest! (from my good friends at Parasoft) and these two tools saved us 
much pain and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Hope that this helps.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Unchis, Debra [mailto:DUnchis@;coral-energy.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:55 PM
>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>Subject: Looking for a Build Philosophy
>
>
>Here's a change of pace question for the group...
>
>I am the Build Manager for my group.  By "Build Manager" I 
>mean I wrote the
>build.xml for our code, I don't have a full fledged background 
>in what I'm
>calling "build philosophy".
>
>So I'm no expert here, I'm just trying to get an idea on how other
>organizations do it. Not the technical on internal aspects of 
>the build (not
>the targets and tasks) but the PROCESS, the philosophy behind 
>a build. I
>know there is no right or wrong, but I don't have any examples 
>to follow so
>that's what I'm looking to this large pool of fellow builders for:
>
>What I'd like to know is how often does your organization build? 
>What events lead up to your builds? 
>How involved are the individual developers? 
>How do you progress from a unit test build to a system test build?
>
>I mean I'm sure this can be simplified to build when it's 
>necessary or when
>changes are made, but I find on my project that we are 
>building every night
>and I'm finding that I spend half of my day tracking down errors and
>rebuilding. I kind of think that's a waste, but I don't have 
>any facts or
>examples to back me up. Management says "build", so I build, 
>but there has
>to be a better SYSTEM out there. Can you all help me out with 
>some real life
>experiences and advice?
>
>Thanks so much.
>Debbie
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RE: ant-otional.jar on Linux

[Chappell, Simon P]

In my experience with RPM's and RH Linux, I have found a good general rule to be that 
packages that I just want to use (e.g. Mozilla) I use the RPM and care nothing for the 
install location. Packages that I care deeply about and will be using in active 
development, I skip the RPM and perform a "real" install. This gives me full control 
over where and how it is installed.

Ant was just such a package. I went with the "real" install and installed it in 
/usr/local/jakarta-ant so that I would know where it was and what exactly I had to 
work with.

RPM is great for general stuff, but skip it for "rubber meets the road" development 
tools. :-)

Hope that this helps.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: William E. Kempf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:23 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: ant-otional.jar on Linux
>
>
>Sorry, read my post closer.  I *know* how to set environment variables.
>What I don't know is where ANT_HOME is when using the RPM 
>install, since the
>files, as per normal convention on Unix, are spread across 
>several (common)
>directories that don't correspond to the simple concept of 
>ANT_HOME.  For
>instance, it appears that the scripts installed by the RPM set 
>ANT_HOME for
>you, and set it to /usr, but the Jar files aren't located in 
>/usr/lib, as
>they would be on Windows (or, AFAICT, as they would be if I'd built Ant
>instead of installing the binary RPM package, though in that 
>case it would
>be more like /usr/ant/lib), but rather they are found in 
>/usr/share/java.
>
>In any event, the scripts magically, AFAICT, set the 
>environment to work
>with this alternate directory structure.  In fact, I posted 
>the command line
>used to invoke ant, and it clearly sets the classpath to include
>ant-optional.jar.  Yet I still receive the "infamous" error message
>indicating the junit task couldn't be located.
>
>So, this isn't a Unix issue, per se, and I still need advice.
>
>Bill Kempf
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Scott Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Ant Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:39 PM
>Subject: RE: ant-otional.jar on Linux
>
>
>The questions that you are asking really are more of UNIX issues than
>anything else.  Setting of the environment variables can 
>change from shell
>to shell, but using bash (which hopefully is your default), 
>you can set env
>vars in this manner
>
>export ANT_HOME=/home/ant/jakarta_1_4-1
>
>or something similar.
>
>I would HIGHLY recommend picking up a book on Linux or UNIX 
>before really
>trying to tackle running builds on them.  You will be banging 
>you head on
>the wall trying to figure out whether your issues are OS or 
>tool related if
>you don't have a decent grounding
>
>Scott
>
>-Original Message-
>From: William E. Kempf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:28 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: ant-otional.jar on Linux
>
>
>I'm a Linux newbie, so this is probably something simple and 
>obvious that
>I'm doing wrong.  I installed ant 1.4.1 (I can't switch to 1.5 for
>compatibility reasons) via the RPM distribution.  There's little
>documentation about this form of distribution installation, 
>unfortunately.
>Specifically, there's no indication of how you set ANT_HOME or 
>any other
>required environment variables.  When I run ant to build my 
>project with a
>script that works on Windows, I get the infamous "Could not 
>create task of
>type: junit" with the helpful advice to add optional.jar to 
>the ANT_HOME
>directory.
>
>So, I tried digging around the various scripts to see how 
>ANT_HOME works.  I
>see that the ant script does some magic when rpm_mode is set (which it
>should be), and actually adds the Jars from /usr/share/java to the
>classpath.  So, I added a line to the script to echo what the 
>classpath is
>that's used, and it indicates this:
>
>/usr/share/java/xml_apis.jar:/usr/share/java/jaxp_parser.jar:/u
>sr/share/java
>/ant-optional.jar:/usr/share/java/ant.jar:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.0_
>02/lib/tools.
>jar
>
>/usr/share/java/ant-optional.jar is a symlink to
>/usr/share/java/ant-optional-1.4.1.jar, so this should be the 
>right Jar to
>add to the classpath, AFAICT.  In fact, the entire command 
>issued should
>look like this:
>
>/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.0_02/bin/java -classpath
>/usr/share/java/xml_apis.jar:/usr/share/java/jaxp_parser.jar:/u
>sr/share/java
>/ant-optional.jar:/usr/share/java/ant.jar:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.0_
>02/lib/tools.
>jar -Dant.home=/usr  org.apache.tools.ant.Main  test
>
>I can't see a thing wrong with that, so what gives?
>
>Bill Kempf
>
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RE: Auto-responses for posts on ant-user now, too

[Chappell, Simon P]

I wonder if this is an attempt at marketing?

Sign up on a list with a valid looking email.
Set your auto-reply and wait.
People start seeing your company's name VERY regularly.

Cunning! (and annoying!)

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>-Original Message-
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>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:33 PM
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>
>
>Now I'm getting auto-response type mail from The Sharper Image 
>whenever I
>post to ant-user! Is anyone else getting these? And, really, 
>what can we
>do to get it to stop? Is there something that needs to/can be 
>done on our
>end? Is it a virus that's doing it?
>
>Diane
>
>=
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RE: ANT on Mac OS X

[Chappell, Simon P]

Yes it does. I use it all the time. I sue tar on my Linux box, but on my Mac I use 
StuffIt.

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>-Original Message-
>From: Gabriel Pack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:13 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: ANT on Mac OS X
>
>
>I believe that Aladdin Systems StuffIt Expander should
>be able to handle the GNU TAR's as well.  It's one of
>the various utilities that comes with Mac OS X.
>
>--- Stefan Bodewig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2002, Mark Jaffe
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> > Sorry if I might have missed this from before, but
>> I can't build
>> > 1.5b3 on OS X. I got these errors:
>> 
>> And before that you've received (and ignored ;-)
>> errors while
>> untarring the distribution, right?
>> 
>> .
>>  Mac OS X doesn't
>> ship with GNU tar.
>> 
>> Stefan
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RE: Need help running Ant under cygwin on Win2k

[Chappell, Simon P]

Under windows, the ";" is indeed the separator in the CLASSPATH, but when you are in 
the Cygwin environment (i.e. the Cygwin window or any program started from that 
window), you are in a very complete Unix environment and that means your CLASSPATH 
separator is changed to ":" (it's a Unix thing! ;-)

I have had good experiences running Java and Ant and Junit under Cygwin on a W2K box 
that I am forced to have in my cube and I'll try to find time someday to write up the 
steps that I took. Having recently had to have a new OS image installed on my machine, 
I will have to do the Cygwin/java/ant/junit/younameit install again and I might as 
well take careful notes and write it up afterwards. When that's done, I'll post the 
link to it on my personal website in a message on this list.

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>-Original Message-
>From: Tim Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:32 PM
>To: 'Ant Users List'
>Subject: RE: Need help running Ant under cygwin on Win2k
>
>
>Curious...I thought ; was the multiple classpath separator 
>character. How should this be expressed ? 
>
>Thanks, 
>
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>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Tayek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:13 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Need help running Ant under cygwin on Win2k
>
>At 11:27 PM 6/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>I'm trying to run Ant 1.5beta2 on a Windows 2000 machine under Cygwin.
>
>just a tip. be careful of things like classpath=c:\foo;c:\bar 
>- the ';' 
>will terminate the statement!
>
>thanks
>
>
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RE: JAVA_HOME path problem in linux

[Chappell, Simon P]

Agreed. Forexample, my JAVA_HOME for my RedHat Linux 7.2, using Sun JDK 1.3.1 is:

JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk1.3.1

This is because I install all my tools and applications under the /usr/local directory 
structure.

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>-Original Message-
>From: GOMEZ Henri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:05 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: JAVA_HOME path problem in linux
>
>
>The JAVA_HOME depends on the JDK your have installed.
>
>For example IBM SDK rpm install on /opt/IBMJava2-131,
>so JAVA_HOME is /opt/IBMJava2-131.
>
>Sun SDK install on /usr/java/jdk1.3.1 or /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.0_01
>
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>>-Original Message-
>>From: Siamack Farshi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:19 PM
>>To: 'Ant Users List'
>>Subject: RE: JAVA_HOME path problem in linux
>>
>>
>>Check /usr/local directory, normally all the softwares that
>>are shared by users are put in this directory. If you do not find
>>java installation there, why do n't you download one there
>>and then set you path to that location, that will solve
>>all your problems. In my case it did.
>>
>>usr/bin only contains java executable.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:16 AM
>>To: Ant Users List
>>Subject: JAVA_HOME path problem in linux
>>
>>
>>Thanx for that, but I 've tried it and didn't work
>>
>>If I put JAVA_HOME=/usr/bin I get the error message
>>cannot execute or load usr/bin/bin
>>
>>If I put JAVA_HOME=/usr I get the error message
>>couldn't find or load essential class java/lang/Object
>>
>>
>>
>>set JAVA_HOME=/usr/bin and not /usr/bin/java
>>_
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>>Consultant - Integration
>>i2 Technologies India Private Ltd.
>>1 Primrose Road
>>Bangalore 560 025, INDIA
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>>Tel: +91 80 558 1487-90 ext. 2416
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Rigas Parathyras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>06/12/02 05:29 PM
>>Please respond to "Ant Users List"
>>
>> 
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>cc: 
>>Subject:please help JAVA_HOME problem in path 
>>(mandrake)
>>linux
>>
>>
>>hello there
>>I was wondering if someone could help me with ant installation. It's
>>about the JAVA_HOME path. I am
>>using linux, Mandrake and I cannot find the path where java is
>>installed. Whenever I type ant, I get the error message:
>>ERROR: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>>
>>The thing is I installed java from the cdrom of mandrake 
>originally and
>>not seperately and now I cannot find it.
>>
>>If I type whereis java I get the directories:
>>/usr/bin/java   /usr/include/java
>>The first one just has the java command and the second the 
>>libraries (If
>>I put the second as JAVA_HOME it gives me the error message that it
>>cannot find the class Object.
>>
>>I would be so greatful if you could help me in this
>>Best regards
>>Rigas
>>
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RE: Documentation question

[Chappell, Simon P]

I have a full version of Acrobat 5.05 and will look closer into manually producing a 
version in the interim. I'll start with 1.4.1 and plan to do the same for 1.5.x

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:06 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Documentation question
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Dominique Devienne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Ant Users List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:45 AM
>Subject: RE: Documentation question
>
>
>> I'm not the best person to answer this particular question, but ANT's
>> documentation is not generated from Javadocs, but from XML doc files
>> transformed by something (xdoc?) to HTML.
>
>not yet, right now, it is simple HTML
>
>> ANT code also has Javadocs of
>> course, but until recently this API documentation was never 
>"published" on
>> the official web site. One had to generate it from CVS sources.
>>
>> So to come back on the original question, you would either 
>have to enable
>> conversion of the XML documentation to PDF using XSLT/FOP 
>(might not be
>> easy... I have no clue if it's even possible), or convert it 
>to something
>> (MIF) that can already be easily converted to PDF, or 
>finally post-process
>> the generated HTML in some way.
>
>If we had XML documentation, then cocoon could create the docs 
>and all would
>be well. But we dont so you cant.
>
>The Ant1.6 plan is to use xdoc to create all the ant task 
>documentation from
>special javadoc tags in the source files, by way of xdoclet; 
>once we also
>move any other files to XML then all the docs will be in a 
>format that you
>can fiddle with to your hearts content.
>
>This will not be in Ant1.5; if you want a PDF version then you 
>will have to
>use acrobat or something similar.
>
>-steve
>
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RE: Documentation question

[Chappell, Simon P]

Interesting. Do you know if anyone is using it for the Ant documentation?

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Kyle R . Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:33 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Documentation question
>
>
>> Is there a PDF of the Ant documentation available anywhere? 
>The individual webpages that describe the usage of Ant and 
>it's tasks are on the whole very good and obviously written by 
>people who care to communicate to others. But it would be very 
>convenient to have a PDF of the documentation gathered into a 
>single document that could be printed or viewed in-situ.
>
>The Doxygen [http://www.doxygen.org] documentation system 
>supports generation
>of PDFs from Javadoc comments, including a graphical class 
>hierarchy.  There 
>is even an Ant task for running Doxygen:
>
>  http://www.bgw.org/projects/java/ant/
>
>It has worked very well for me.
>
>
>Best regards,
>Kyle R. Burton
>
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Documentation question

[Chappell, Simon P]

This is not a complaint! :-)

But ...

Is there a PDF of the Ant documentation available anywhere? The individual webpages 
that describe the usage of Ant and it's tasks are on the whole very good and obviously 
written by people who care to communicate to others. But it would be very convenient 
to have a PDF of the documentation gathered into a single document that could be 
printed or viewed in-situ.

I started experimenting with pulling such a document together at home, but before I go 
any further, I thought that I'd better ask. How is the current document web 
constructed? Are there source documents in XML or some equivalent? Is anyone else 
working on a parallel track? I find ant so useful, that I would gladly help to pull 
such a document together as a small repayment to the ant community.

Your thoughts please.

Simon

P.S. Still no word on the ant shirts. Can one of the commiters or ASF board members 
kick someone?! :-)

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RE: Can't run Ant from 4NT on Win32

[Chappell, Simon P]

If you want to try an alternative command-line for your NT/W2k boxes, try Cygwin 
(www.cygwin.com). I use it on the W2K box that I am forced to use and it makes the 
whole experience much less painful.

Ant runs just fine under Cygwin.

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>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:23 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Can't run Ant from 4NT on Win32
>
>
>
>I'm not sure if any of you folks use 4NT (from the 4DOS folks),
>but if you do, Ant runs really strangely.  It refuses to see any
>command line parameters; e.g., "ant -help" doesn't work.  It
>also won't see the default project target in the build.xml file if
>you run "ant".  It tries to build a target named "build" instead.
>
>Popping up a standard Win2K MS-DOS prompt seems to
>work fine for running Ant.
>
>
> ken
>
>
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RE: Ant from Cron problem

[Chappell, Simon P]

I suspected an environment variable issue, but I would recommend having your system 
administrator putting ANT_HOME (remember to export it!) in the /etc/profile or 
/etc/profile.d/rc.local startup file and then it'll be available to all appropriate 
tasks.

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>-Original Message-
>From: Mckenna, Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:13 AM
>To: 'Ant Users List'
>Subject: RE: Ant from Cron problem
>
>
>ANT_HOME isn't defined in the shell the cron task runs in 
>unless you run a
>profile script as part of the cron job. eg 0 2 * * *
>/u/user/.profile.sh;yourscript.sh 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Mike Lecza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:05 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Ant from Cron problem
>
>
>This may be more of a cron issue than an Ant issue - but sure many of
>you have done this.  Perhaps you can help.
> 
>I setup cron that calls a script that looks something like this:
> 
>#!/bin/sh
> 
>echo 
>echo $ANT_HOME
>$ANT_HOME/bin/ant -logfile /export/programs/backups/antoutput 
>-buildfile
>/export/programs/backups/build-backups.xml 
>echo 
> 
>In the crontab I have:
>31 * * * * root  /export/programs/backups/backup.sh
>>>/export/programs/backups/cronoutput
> 
>The buildfile simply does some echos and creates a directory.
>When I run the script from the cmd line it runs just fine (creating the
>output file and the directory).  When cron runs the script the 
>antoutput
>fille is not even created and the directory is not either.  It 
>is almost
>as if the ant command is ignored.  Here is the contents of cronoutput
>after cron runs the script
> 
>Any Ideas?
> 
>Regards
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RE: Research question

[Chappell, Simon P]

Mike,

Good question. In the area where I work, we are leading the push towards Java. I know 
that our Internet group (where I previously worked) is using C and I think that they 
are using make (iirc). I think that they may even be using make for the little bit of 
Java that they have over there. I haven't gotten them converted to ant yet! :-)

Feel free to contact me offline and we can discuss it further and I could put you in 
touch with one of our build managers.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Brown, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:01 AM
>To: 'Ant Users List'
>Subject: RE: Research question
>
>
>Simon,
>
>I have similar requirements for proposing a cross-platform 
>solution to build
>several products.  I have requirements to build on Windows, 
>AIX, HP-Unix,
>Solaris, and OS400.  The added twist is that we want to not 
>only build java,
>we are already doing a pilot of java with ANT and Cruise 
>Control, but we
>want to build C and C++.  Are you doing anything similar or do 
>you know of
>anyone to refer me to?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike B.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:00 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: Research question
>
>
>It couldn't hurt. :-)
>
>I have passed the contact information that Stefan Bodewig gave 
>me to our
>national accounts area and they were going to make contact. 
>I'll follow up
>to see how that's going.
>
>Simon
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:29 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Research question
>
>
>Would the sell of a few snazzy Ant logo embroidered shirts 
>help convince
>management?!  :)
>
>(p.s. Where are we with that?)
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Ant Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:21 AM
>Subject: RE: Research question
>
>
>This gets to my whole point. Almost every IDE offers some kind 
>of project
>capability and a way to compile that project, but (usually) 
>only from within
>the IDE itself.
>
>I desire a stand-alone build system that is cross-platform 
>(Win2K, Linux,
>Solaris, AIX, Mac OS X at a minimum), easy to use (not all of 
>our developers
>will have time to learn anything complicated 
>*cough*make*cough*), capable of
>being run from a command-line or script.
>
>Ant meets all these needs with style. My point was to try and find
>alternatives that I could list so that my proposal to use Ant 
>didn't look
>like it was written by a founding member of the Ant fan club! :-)
>
>Simon
>
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>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Ronn Chinowutthichai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:39 PM
>>To: Ant Users List
>>Subject: Re: Research question
>>
>>
>>What about build tools offered by IDE? JBuilder for example.
>>
>>I am also sure that afew years ago many people are building ad
>>hoc tools
>>*specifically* for Java System (whether it would be with perl, shell
>>script or other languages like make rule sysntax).
>>
>>rOnn c.
>>
>>
>>Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>>
>>>I'm writing a proposal for using ant internally as part of
>>our standard build process and I am having difficulty finding
>>information on the alternatives to ant. I have tried many
>>different searches on the mighty Google, but with less than
>>wonderful success. The few that I found seem to mostly have
>>withered and died and a few even suggest switching to ant! :-)
>>>
>>>Can folks on this list point me at a few other tools that I
>>can list in my document. Specifically, I am looking for build
>>tools that are designed for Java systems (hence "make" doesn't
>>make the cut).
>>>
>>>Simon
>>>
>>>-
>>>Simon P. Chappell   

RE: Research question

[Chappell, Simon P]

It couldn't hurt. :-)

I have passed the contact information that Stefan Bodewig gave me to our national 
accounts area and they were going to make contact. I'll follow up to see how that's 
going.

Simon

-Original Message-
From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:29 AM
To: Ant Users List
Subject: Re: Research question


Would the sell of a few snazzy Ant logo embroidered shirts help convince
management?!  :)

(p.s. Where are we with that?)

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From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ant Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: Research question


This gets to my whole point. Almost every IDE offers some kind of project
capability and a way to compile that project, but (usually) only from within
the IDE itself.

I desire a stand-alone build system that is cross-platform (Win2K, Linux,
Solaris, AIX, Mac OS X at a minimum), easy to use (not all of our developers
will have time to learn anything complicated *cough*make*cough*), capable of
being run from a command-line or script.

Ant meets all these needs with style. My point was to try and find
alternatives that I could list so that my proposal to use Ant didn't look
like it was written by a founding member of the Ant fan club! :-)

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Ronn Chinowutthichai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:39 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Research question
>
>
>What about build tools offered by IDE? JBuilder for example.
>
>I am also sure that afew years ago many people are building ad
>hoc tools
>*specifically* for Java System (whether it would be with perl, shell
>script or other languages like make rule sysntax).
>
>rOnn c.
>
>
>Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>
>>I'm writing a proposal for using ant internally as part of
>our standard build process and I am having difficulty finding
>information on the alternatives to ant. I have tried many
>different searches on the mighty Google, but with less than
>wonderful success. The few that I found seem to mostly have
>withered and died and a few even suggest switching to ant! :-)
>>
>>Can folks on this list point me at a few other tools that I
>can list in my document. Specifically, I am looking for build
>tools that are designed for Java systems (hence "make" doesn't
>make the cut).
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>-
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RE: Research question

[Chappell, Simon P]

This gets to my whole point. Almost every IDE offers some kind of project capability 
and a way to compile that project, but (usually) only from within the IDE itself.

I desire a stand-alone build system that is cross-platform (Win2K, Linux, Solaris, 
AIX, Mac OS X at a minimum), easy to use (not all of our developers will have time to 
learn anything complicated *cough*make*cough*), capable of being run from a 
command-line or script.

Ant meets all these needs with style. My point was to try and find alternatives that I 
could list so that my proposal to use Ant didn't look like it was written by a 
founding member of the Ant fan club! :-)

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Ronn Chinowutthichai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:39 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Research question
>
>
>What about build tools offered by IDE? JBuilder for example.
>
>I am also sure that afew years ago many people are building ad 
>hoc tools 
>*specifically* for Java System (whether it would be with perl, shell 
>script or other languages like make rule sysntax).
>
>rOnn c.
>
>
>Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>
>>I'm writing a proposal for using ant internally as part of 
>our standard build process and I am having difficulty finding 
>information on the alternatives to ant. I have tried many 
>different searches on the mighty Google, but with less than 
>wonderful success. The few that I found seem to mostly have 
>withered and died and a few even suggest switching to ant! :-)
>>
>>Can folks on this list point me at a few other tools that I 
>can list in my document. Specifically, I am looking for build 
>tools that are designed for Java systems (hence "make" doesn't 
>make the cut).
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>-
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RE: Research question

[Chappell, Simon P]

It's looking like Ant is a complete shoo-in (shoe-in?) after all. After MUCH searching 
through the search engines I have found very little to compete with ant. Perhaps this 
helps to explain why it took off so quickly.

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:37 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Research question
>
>
>Nope, Ant is a complete shoe-in!  :)
>
>James Duncan Davidson (the creator of Ant) spun off another tool called
>Amber, but I don't believe its being actively developed - 
>although if it is
>I'd love to hear about it.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Ant Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:18 PM
>Subject: RE: Research question
>
>
>We already use JBuilder and I have AntRunner working just 
>fine. My issue is
>not against the IDE's, they do seem to give most of our developers
>productivity benefits, but I want to have a separate build 
>tool for those
>times when you can't use an IDE: integration builds, over 
>night builds etc.
>My 110% preference is for ant, but I'm trying to at least show 
>that there
>were other tools to pick from and that ant wasn't a complete shoo-in.
>
>Simon
>
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>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:18 PM
>>To: Ant Users List
>>Subject: Re: Research question
>>
>>
>>
>>make, that java port of make and IDEs. IDEs are the
>>alternative you will
>>probably have to deal with the most, "why use a command line
>>tool, when my
>>IDE does everything"? You can address that by showing how most
>>modern IDEs
>>(all but jbuilder) host ant, giving developers a choice of IDEs
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "Ant User mailing list (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:39 AM
>>Subject: Research question
>>
>>
>>I'm writing a proposal for using ant internally as part of 
>our standard
>>build process and I am having difficulty finding information on the
>>alternatives to ant. I have tried many different searches on 
>the mighty
>>Google, but with less than wonderful success. The few that I
>>found seem to
>>mostly have withered and died and a few even suggest switching
>>to ant! :-)
>>
>>Can folks on this list point me at a few other tools that I
>>can list in my
>>document. Specifically, I am looking for build tools that are
>>designed for
>>Java systems (hence "make" doesn't make the cut).
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>-
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RE: Research question

[Chappell, Simon P]

We already use JBuilder and I have AntRunner working just fine. My issue is not 
against the IDE's, they do seem to give most of our developers productivity benefits, 
but I want to have a separate build tool for those times when you can't use an IDE: 
integration builds, over night builds etc. My 110% preference is for ant, but I'm 
trying to at least show that there were other tools to pick from and that ant wasn't a 
complete shoo-in.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:18 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: Research question
>
>
>
>make, that java port of make and IDEs. IDEs are the 
>alternative you will
>probably have to deal with the most, "why use a command line 
>tool, when my
>IDE does everything"? You can address that by showing how most 
>modern IDEs
>(all but jbuilder) host ant, giving developers a choice of IDEs
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Ant User mailing list (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:39 AM
>Subject: Research question
>
>
>I'm writing a proposal for using ant internally as part of our standard
>build process and I am having difficulty finding information on the
>alternatives to ant. I have tried many different searches on the mighty
>Google, but with less than wonderful success. The few that I 
>found seem to
>mostly have withered and died and a few even suggest switching 
>to ant! :-)
>
>Can folks on this list point me at a few other tools that I 
>can list in my
>document. Specifically, I am looking for build tools that are 
>designed for
>Java systems (hence "make" doesn't make the cut).
>
>Simon
>
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Research question

[Chappell, Simon P]

I'm writing a proposal for using ant internally as part of our standard build process 
and I am having difficulty finding information on the alternatives to ant. I have 
tried many different searches on the mighty Google, but with less than wonderful 
success. The few that I found seem to mostly have withered and died and a few even 
suggest switching to ant! :-)

Can folks on this list point me at a few other tools that I can list in my document. 
Specifically, I am looking for build tools that are designed for Java systems (hence 
"make" doesn't make the cut).

Simon

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RE: Pre-pending [ant-user]

[Chappell, Simon P]

I have no objection to this suggestion, but I also have no problems with filtering the 
emails from all of the lists I'm on into their own folders in my email client. In 
fact, of the four lists that I am on (ant, junit, struts and OTUG), only one (OTUG) 
does the pre-pend thing.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 9:12 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Pre-pending [ant-user]
>
>
>
>I subscribe to quite a few mailing lists and one thing I 
>notice on all the
>other lists I am on is that the mailer prepends the list name 
>in brackets
>to the beginning of the subject line.  This helps people 
>filter the list
>mail into a special mailbox and also just makes it easier to 
>scan email.
>What does everyone else think?
>
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Junit under ant ignoring my classpath

[Chappell, Simon P]

Does anyone have any insight into this:

As part of reducing my CLASSPATH to the bare minimum (currently: ".") I have been 
increasing my use of  definitions. This had been going really well until I hit 
the  task. I dutifully added the  and expected 
success! Needless to say, it all went south quickly. If I have junit.jar in my 
CLASSPATH environment variable then the build does not fail.

Is this a bug? I even tried the latest nightly build and Java 1.4.0 incase I was too 
far behind the back edge of the envelope.

Simon

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RE: Mac OS X task

[Chappell, Simon P]

I'll be delighted to try it out. I'm comfortable with Ant, and have started doing more 
stuff with OS X at home, but didn't know how to generate an app.

Simon

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>Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:41 PM
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>Subject: Mac OS X task
>
>
>My friend Ian McFarland and I are almost done cleaning up the latest
>version of our Ant task that bundles Java apps as standalone Mac OS X
>applications (with icons and everything).  Anyone who wants to beta
>test, please send me email.
>
>Also, we'd like to contribute this to optional.jar.  What's the
>procedure for that?  
>
>(BTW, you can build Mac apps from any platform -- it's just a bunch of
>files in a directory -- so we hope this would be of interest to
>developers who are building Java applications on any platform.)
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RE: valueof environnement variable

[Chappell, Simon P]

To get a copy of the current environment variables into Ant, use:



This gives you a new "namespace" or "prefix" (use which ever term you like) of, in 
this case, "env" so that you can access an environment variable thusly:



...


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>
>
>Hi !
>
>How can I obtain the value of an existing environment variable ?
>
>Thanks,
>Romain
>
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RE: ant logo t-shirts?

[Chappell, Simon P]

Good thought. Please contact me directly if you wish to cast a vote for Lands' End 
"Antwear"!

As far as making it official, I need someone who is authorised to act on behalf of the 
ASF, to contact me offline and discuss permissions and such related matters and I will 
put them in touch with the appropriate people at this end. If everything goes well, 
the logo stitchfile generation can be at full approval (including stitched out 
samples) inside a couple of weeks.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Mark Womack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:08 PM
>To: 'Ant Users List'
>Subject: RE: ant logo t-shirts?
>
>
>Maybe to avoid the flood on this list, interested parties 
>should contact
>Simon directly.
>
>Does anything need to happen to make this "official"?
>
>-Mark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Sharanya Vemu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:09 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: ant logo t-shirts?
>
>
>yes , am definitely interested :-)
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:05 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: ant logo t-shirts?
>
>
>If there is interest, I can arrange for a logo file to be 
>created and people
>would be able to order t-shirts, polo's etc. from our corporate sales
>division. The cost would typically be $5 to $10 over the cost 
>of the article
>to allow for the cost of stitching the logo onto it.
>
>
>   Our shirts really are great Just ask your 
>wife/girlfriend/mother! :-)
>
>
>Any takers?
>
>Simon
>
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>>-Original Message-
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>>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:29 PM
>>To: Ant-User (E-mail)
>>Subject: ant logo t-shirts?
>>
>>
>>Didn't someone mention something about ant t-shirts sporting 
>>the new logo?
>>Is that going to happen?  I'll take two...:-)
>>
>>just curious,
>>-Mark
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RE: ant logo t-shirts?

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If there is interest, I can arrange for a logo file to be created and people would be 
able to order t-shirts, polo's etc. from our corporate sales division. The cost would 
typically be $5 to $10 over the cost of the article to allow for the cost of stitching 
the logo onto it.


   Our shirts really are great Just ask your wife/girlfriend/mother! :-)


Any takers?

Simon

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>To: Ant-User (E-mail)
>Subject: ant logo t-shirts?
>
>
>Didn't someone mention something about ant t-shirts sporting 
>the new logo?
>Is that going to happen?  I'll take two...:-)
>
>just curious,
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RE: BUG: ant 1.4.1 startup script on cygwin

[Chappell, Simon P]

I'm running ant just fine under Cygwin since I uninstalled the JDK from it's usual 
location and installed it in a location under the Cygwin root. In my case:

CYGWIN_ROOT=c:\local\cygwin
JAVA_HOME=c:\local\cygwin\usr\local\j2sdk1.4.0-beta3

This has the effect of enabling Java in both the Windows CommandLine and the Cygwin 
shell. Oh, I almost forgot, I also have my copy of ant installed under the Cygwin area 
in the same manner (and Tomcat etc...)

Hope this helps.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
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>Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:51 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: BUG: ant 1.4.1 startup script on cygwin
>
>
>On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Jorg Schaible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> STOP! Who said, that the CLASSPATH has to be Cygwin syntax? I have a
>> lot of Java apps that can be started directly from command line that
>> implies no Cygwin syntax for CLASSPATH at all.
>
>Exactly, Jeppe's patch reverts the "Cygwinification" of CLASSPATH (it
>gets converted into UNIX format somewhere further up in the script to
>allow easy manipulation and gets set back to the Windows format with
>Jeppe's patch).
>
>> This change just prevents ant from running!
>
>Have you tried it?
>
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RE: Ant doesn't recognized tasks on Mac OS X

[Chappell, Simon P]

Well ... I was wrong. Ant is smarter than I thought! (And I already
thought it was good :-) It does find it's own jar file.

In my defense, I'm going to claim that it didn't used to do that in the
earlier versions.

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>-Original Message-
>From: Chappell, Simon P 
>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:34 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: Ant doesn't recognized tasks on Mac OS X
>
>
>I have the ant.jar in CLASSPATH so that I do not have to modify the ant
>shell script that comes with ant. Ant does an excellent job of finding
>everything except it's own jar file! My classpath now has only two
>entries in it: "." and ant.jar. This works wonderfully for me.
>
>If there is a good (not just hacking the supplied ant shell script) way
>to help ant find it's own jar file, then I'd be pleased to hear it.
>
>Simon
>
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>>-Original Message-
>>From: Diane Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:19 AM
>>To: Ant Users List
>>Subject: RE: Ant doesn't recognized tasks on Mac OS X
>>
>>
>>--- "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I have been very successful running ant on OS X.
>>> 
>>> My setup is: OS X 10.1.2, Bash 2.0.5 & ant 1.4.1
>>> 
>>> The important thing I found with ant was to ensure that the 
>JAVA_HOME
>>> and ANT_HOME environment variables were correctly set and 
>>then to ensure
>>> that the ant.jar was in the CLASSPATH.
>>
>>Just curious... why would you need to have CLASSPATH set with 
>>ant.jar in
>>it?  The 'ant' script puts the jars in $ANT_HOME/lib into the 
>>classpath it
>>constructs -- does that not work for OS X?
>>
>>Diane 
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RE: Ant doesn't recognized tasks on Mac OS X

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I have the ant.jar in CLASSPATH so that I do not have to modify the ant
shell script that comes with ant. Ant does an excellent job of finding
everything except it's own jar file! My classpath now has only two
entries in it: "." and ant.jar. This works wonderfully for me.

If there is a good (not just hacking the supplied ant shell script) way
to help ant find it's own jar file, then I'd be pleased to hear it.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Diane Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:19 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: Ant doesn't recognized tasks on Mac OS X
>
>
>--- "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have been very successful running ant on OS X.
>> 
>> My setup is: OS X 10.1.2, Bash 2.0.5 & ant 1.4.1
>> 
>> The important thing I found with ant was to ensure that the JAVA_HOME
>> and ANT_HOME environment variables were correctly set and 
>then to ensure
>> that the ant.jar was in the CLASSPATH.
>
>Just curious... why would you need to have CLASSPATH set with 
>ant.jar in
>it?  The 'ant' script puts the jars in $ANT_HOME/lib into the 
>classpath it
>constructs -- does that not work for OS X?
>
>Diane 
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RE: Ant doesn't recognized tasks on Mac OS X

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I have been very successful running ant on OS X.

My setup is: OS X 10.1.2, Bash 2.0.5 & ant 1.4.1

The important thing I found with ant was to ensure that the JAVA_HOME
and ANT_HOME environment variables were correctly set and then to ensure
that the ant.jar was in the CLASSPATH.

My Mac is at home, but let me know if you need any further help and I'll
send you my home email. :-) If anyone else would find it
interesting/useful, I could write a "this is how I installed ant on my
OS X Mac" document and put it on my website.

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: Matt Raible [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:36 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Ant doesn't recognized tasks on Mac OS X
>
>
>Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED], as I am not 
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>I've downloaded and installed Ant 1.4.1 on OS X system.  It 
>seems to work fine,
>but I cannot pass in any commands - only the default task gets 
>executed.
>
>For instance, if my default task is "compile", and I type "ant 
>clean" on the
>command line, "compile" gets executed.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
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RE: Newbie help

[Chappell, Simon P]

I might be suffering from too much turkey and seasonal brain-fog, but
when I started using ant, I began with little tiny scripts where the
effects (or not) were immediately obvious and if something looked funny,
or I didn't understand it, then I ran ant with the "-v" option to get
more details on what ant thought it was doing versus what I thought it
should be doing. I have not found a need to ever use  to date.

Remember, very large build scripts are made by adding one target, or
task, at a time to very small build scripts! :-)

Hope this helps,

Simon

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>-Original Message-
>From: John Volkar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:46 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Newbie help 
>
>
>Okay, I'm new, so bear with me.
>
>I'm trying to setup the beginnings of a fairly large build 
>script, that we
>will use in a nightly/weekly build process.  Eventually, 
>automatic email
>notifications, and all the trimming will be added, but  
>First I need to
>walk before I can run, so...  I'm simply using the  task 
>to give some
>feedback as I develop my scripts.
>
>Is echo output caught by the email notifiers automatically 
>when those are
>added?  I mean would I be wasting my time createing nice clear 
>meaningful
>messages for the 's?  If the email notifiers catch the 'd
>output, then it's time well spent.
>
>Thanks
>
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AntRunner1.3 in JBuilder 6 on Linux

[Chappell, Simon P]

Very specific combination of tools here. I have AntRunner 1.3 working
with JBuilder 6 on W2K, but I am getting errors under Linux (RedHat 7.2)

Does anyone have this working? Here is the error that I get.

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/tools/ant/BuildException

Simon

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RE: build file gallery for new ant users?

[Chappell, Simon P]

Wonderful. I'll take a closer look and get back to you.

>-Original Message-
>From: Rolf Katzenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: build file gallery for new ant users?
>
>
>Hello Simon,
>
>On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:38:40 -0600, "Chappell, Simon P"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>As I remember the exchange it was more about creating a generic build
>>file. That might well be a worthy and useful project, but I'm more
>>interested in short, specific, commented, build files that 
>are suitable
>>for beginners.
>
>Currently, the project mentioned (Ant Heap,
>http://sourceforge.net/projects/antheap) contains build files and docs
>suitable for beginners, plus some bestpractice doc. Just visit to the
>files section:
>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=37277
>
>At the moment, I am discussing with Jeff Turner how that open source
>project can maintain and provide a *collection* of build files that
>are both suitable for beginners and provide something for quite
>elaborate projects, too.
>
>Hope this helps,
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RE: build file gallery for new ant users?

[Chappell, Simon P]

As I remember the exchange it was more about creating a generic build
file. That might well be a worthy and useful project, but I'm more
interested in short, specific, commented, build files that are suitable
for beginners.

>-Original Message-
>From: Ylan Segal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:22 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: build file gallery for new ant users?
>
>
>Search the archives.. there was some talk last week (or maybee 
>a week before
>that, I don't know, times flies) about a project on 
>sourceforge to do just
>that.
>
>Ylan.
>> Is there such a thing (or should there be such a thing) as a 
>gallery of
>> sample build files for those new to ant? I found a few examples in
>> articles and was able to jumpstart from that, but seeing some of the
>> questions on this list, it seems that more real, genuine, working
>> examples (perhaps even commented?) of build files for 
>different project
>> types could be an invaluable help.
>>
>> Any thoughts? Is this silly or does such a gallery already exist?
>>
>> I was prompted to this, by my need for such a gallery for creating
>> configuration files for Jakarta struts, at which I am a 
>complete newbie
>> and feeling very confused. :-(
>>
>> Simon
>>
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RE: build file gallery for new ant users?

[Chappell, Simon P]

Yes, it certainly is a wonderful build file, but I suspect that a few
smaller ones might be more helpful to a new user. I am teaching a friend
of mine how to use ant and I think that a huge build file would
overwhelm him right now.

Would it just be more helpful to post commented build files to this list
and let people find them through the list archives or actually put up a
page somewhere?

Simon

>-Original Message-
>From: Franck Routier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:59 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: build file gallery for new ant users?
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I find Tomcat's example very useful and well documented as a 
>jumpstart...
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.0-doc/appdev/source.html
>
>Of course, a sample gallery would be great !
>
>
>Franck
>
>At 10:52 06.12.2001 -0600, you wrote:
>>Just a thought ...
>>
>>Is there such a thing (or should there be such a thing) as a 
>gallery of
>>sample build files for those new to ant? I found a few examples in
>>articles and was able to jumpstart from that, but seeing some of the
>>questions on this list, it seems that more real, genuine, working
>>examples (perhaps even commented?) of build files for 
>different project
>>types could be an invaluable help.
>>
>>Any thoughts? Is this silly or does such a gallery already exist?
>>
>>I was prompted to this, by my need for such a gallery for creating
>>configuration files for Jakarta struts, at which I am a 
>complete newbie
>>and feeling very confused. :-(
>>
>>Simon
>>
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build file gallery for new ant users?

[Chappell, Simon P]

Just a thought ...

Is there such a thing (or should there be such a thing) as a gallery of
sample build files for those new to ant? I found a few examples in
articles and was able to jumpstart from that, but seeing some of the
questions on this list, it seems that more real, genuine, working
examples (perhaps even commented?) of build files for different project
types could be an invaluable help.

Any thoughts? Is this silly or does such a gallery already exist?

I was prompted to this, by my need for such a gallery for creating
configuration files for Jakarta struts, at which I am a complete newbie
and feeling very confused. :-(

Simon

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RE: Ant 1.4.1 / JDK 1.4 beta3: '

[Chappell, Simon P]

For my build file I use two variants for the javac process:

I use this one for struts:











and this one for general Java stuff:







I am running Ant 1.4.1 with JDK 1.4.0 beta 3 on RedHat Linux 7.2, if
that helps.

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-Original Message-
From: Sebastien Boving [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:49 PM
To: Ant Users List
Subject: Re: Ant 1.4.1 / JDK 1.4 beta3: '


Paul Gregoire wrote: 
I dont see anything obviously wrong with your env one minor change you
might 
want to consider is to place the %PATH% at the end of your PATH env
There was a mistake in that PATH. But that's not the problem, corrected
it (to
d:\soft\win-ix86\jakarta-ant-1.4\bin;d:\soft\win-ix86\jdk\1.3.1_01\bin;C
:\Winnt;C:\winnt\system32), still the same thing. 
variable. Also i construct my javac tasks like so..
I tried this but it doesn't help either. 
I don't see why something as simple as: 
   
 
   
 
   
doesn't work with any JDK version / Ant version i try. I used this many
times before, only difference is that i know try this on a Windows
platform, previously always linux. 
I'll send this issue to the ant-dev mailing list, maybe someone has a
clue how this modern / classic test is exactly implemented. The '-debug'
option doesn't explain why no modern compiler is detected. 
-seb. 
  
  
  
  
   
   
   
   

   
   




   
   

   
  
 
   
 
Some may call my lib.path overkill but it works great for me.. oh btw i
dont 
use JDK 1.4 yet so im no expert. :) 
-Original Message- 
From: Sebastien Boving [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:50 PM 
To: Ant Users List 
Subject: Re: Ant 1.4.1 / JDK 1.4 beta3: ' 
  
  
Paul Gregoire wrote: 
I thought i read "somewhere" that -classic was no longer supported with
1.4; 
i noticed these items over at SUN.. 
Yes, but why doesn't the default 'modern' compiler work? I simply cannot
get 
any compilation to work. Not even with JDK 1.3.1! 
I'm now running everything locally (Ant, JDK, *.java and build.xml), and
in 
a cmd.exe (instead of my cygwin tcsh which sometimes generates path 
separation issues). 
Take a look at the following and tell me if there's any check i'm 
forgetting: 
D:\temp\test>dir 
 Volume in drive D is soft 
 Volume Serial Number is D478-F8F7 
 Directory of D:\temp\test 
12/04/2001  03:39p. 
12/04/2001  03:39p.. 
12/04/2001  03:29p 283 build-compile.xml 
12/04/2001  03:39p  23 test.java 
   3 File(s)313 bytes 
   2 Dir(s) 592,474,112 bytes free 
D:\temp\test>echo %JAVA_HOME% 
d:\soft\win-ix86\jdk\1.3.1_01 
D:\temp\test>echo %PATH% 
$PATH;d:\soft\win-ix86\jakarta-ant-1.4\bin;d:\soft\win-ix86\jdk\1.3.1_01
\bin 
; 
D:\temp\test>dir %JAVA_HOME%\lib\tools.jar 
 Volume in drive D is soft 
 Volume Serial Number is D478-F8F7 
 Directory of d:\soft\win-ix86\jdk\1.3.1_01\lib 
08/08/2001  01:14p   4,710,905 tools.jar 
   1 File(s)  4,710,905 bytes 
   0 Dir(s) 592,474,112 bytes free 
D:\temp\test>type build-compile.xml 
 
 
   
 
 
   
 
D:\temp\test>ant -f build-compile.xml 
Buildfile: build-compile.xml 
compile: 
[javac] Modern compiler is not available - using classic compiler 
[javac] Compiling 1 source file to D:\temp\test 
BUILD FAILED 
D:\temp\test\build-compile.xml:6: Cannot use classic compiler, as it is
not 
avai 
lable A common solution is to set the environment variable JAVA_HOME to
your 
jdk 
 directory. 
  
The javac byte-code compiler has a new -source option that enables
support 
for compiling source code containing assertions. Also, default
compilation 
is for -target 1.2. Previously, the default was 1.1. The compiler now 
correctly detects unreachable empty statements, 
and 
The Java virtual machines in this release include several enhancements. 
Signal-chaining facility. 
64-bit support on SolarisTM-SPARCTM platform edition. 
Error-reporting mechanism. 
New facility for logging garbage-collection events. 
The Classic virtual machine is no longer shipped as part of the Java 2
SDK. 
-Original Message- 
From: Sebastien Boving [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:41 PM 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Ant 1.4.1 / JDK 1.4 beta3: ' 
  
Some more on this 'Modern compiler is not available / Cannot use classic

compiler' problem: 
I've been trying Ant 1.4, and JDK 1.3.1_01, local installations iso
having 
these reside on a SMB server: always the same problem. 
I do set JAVA

RE: [POLL]

[Chappell, Simon P]

Ahhh. Good call. I am using a 1.4 beta JDK.

If I place the xalan.jar in ant's lib directory, will that take
precidence over the built-in one?

Simon

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>Subject: RE: [POLL] 

RE: ant 1.4.1 style task on Mac OSX

[Chappell, Simon P]

Well. I checked the error messages very carefully this time and when I
tried running a style task, I got a deprecation error that further
advised me to use a Trax or Xalan XSLT processor. So I fired up the ol'
Internet Connection and downloaded Xalan-J, copied the xalan.jar into
the lib directory under ant and voila, it worked as well as I could ask.
:-)

Mega thanks to everyone on the Apache team for all your wonderful work!
:-)

Simon

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>From: Stefan Bodewig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:20 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ant 1.4.1 style task on Mac OSX
>
>
>On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Simon P. Chappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>> Has anyone out there had success working with the style task of ant
>> 1.4.1 under Mac OSX?
>
>Sam Ruby has run the Gump  process on
>MacOS X and I can't remeber any problems.
>
>Stefan
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RE: [POLL]

[Chappell, Simon P]

Wild! I even looked in my CLASSPATH to check that I didn't have anything
that I didn't think I had. Very strange. I'll look again.

>-Original Message-
>From: Stephane Bailliez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:33 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: [POLL] 

RE: ant 1.4.1 style task on Mac OSX

[Chappell, Simon P]

Yeah, I realised that after hitting the send button (although I could be
pedantic and say that I only actually asked if there were any success
stories out there! ;-) I haven't actually asked for help yet ... I'll do
that tomorrow morning after I save a copy of the error message that I
get to send in.

>-Original Message-
>From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:12 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: ant 1.4.1 style task on Mac OSX
>
>
>thats nice. You are going to need to give more information if 
>you want to get 
>an answer.. What errors?
>
>On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:53, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>> Has anyone out there had success working with the style task of ant
>> 1.4.1 under Mac OSX? It works fine on my Linux box, but I 
>get errors on
>> the Mac.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Simon
>>
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ant 1.4.1 style task on Mac OSX

[Chappell, Simon P]

Has anyone out there had success working with the style task of ant
1.4.1 under Mac OSX? It works fine on my Linux box, but I get errors on
the Mac.

Blessings,

Simon

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RE: [POLL]

[Chappell, Simon P]

>Just for information I would like to know what processor 
>people are using to
>perform