Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp. Now, 
 I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something basic that we 
 can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I would be willing to 
 *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I said, I am no graphics 
 designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.

It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0 treatment.
Heh.

I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?

 BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with in
 creating a logo for aolserver?

Good question.  I really should have a serious conversation with AOL
Legal about this issue.  I'm hoping that as long as we stay away from
the actual AOL logo treatment itself, we'll be okay ... but I'd like to
get that in writing.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Brett Schwarz
I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp. Now, I'm 
not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something basic that we can 
start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I would be willing to *try* 
to make any suggested enhancements, but like I said, I am no graphics designer. 
Perhaps this will spark some momentum.

BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with in creating 
a logo for aolserver?



On 2008.04.08, Mark Aufflick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Looks clean - but it *really* needs a logo to inject some motion.

 I agree; I'd like a modern and attractive logo treatment, along with a
 few key icons for downloads, documentation, community ...







  

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Juan José del Río (Simple Option)
What about this?!

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On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:29 -0400, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
 On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp. Now, 
  I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something basic that 
  we can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I would be 
  willing to *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I said, I am 
  no graphics designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.
 
 It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
 starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0 treatment.
 Heh.
 
 I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?
 
  BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with in
  creating a logo for aolserver?
 
 Good question.  I really should have a serious conversation with AOL
 Legal about this issue.  I'm hoping that as long as we stay away from
 the actual AOL logo treatment itself, we'll be okay ... but I'd like to
 get that in writing.
 
 


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Rick Cobb
Well, it's certainly compliant :-), but I suspect Mr. Jackson would object.
If there's one thing aolserver ain't, it's beta.

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Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

What about this?!

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On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:29 -0400, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
 On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp. Now, 
  I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something basic that 
  we can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I would be 
  willing to *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I said, I am 
  no graphics designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.
 
 It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
 starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0 treatment.
 Heh.
 
 I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?
 
  BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with in
  creating a logo for aolserver?
 
 Good question.  I really should have a serious conversation with AOL
 Legal about this issue.  I'm hoping that as long as we stay away from
 the actual AOL logo treatment itself, we'll be okay ... but I'd like to
 get that in writing.
 
 


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Brett Schwarz
 
 On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp. Now, 
  I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something basic that 
  we can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I would be 
  willing to *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I said, I am 
  no graphics designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.
 
 It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
 starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0 treatment.
 Heh.
 

Hey, does this mean I can put graphic artist on my resume ;) (for those 
serious folks...yes, I am joking)

For those who are interested, most of the design of the logo I followed from 
this tutorial: http://gimp-tutorials.net/node/91

 I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?

http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.xcf

cheers,
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[AOLSERVER] Compression

2008-04-08 Thread Brett Schwarz
So, from my reading, its seems as though that in 4.5, we got on the fly ADP 
page compression. However, it seems as though there isn't comparable 
functionality for Tcl files (i.e. ns_return). I know there are some work 
arounds, but I was just curious why this was not implemented in the core? I 
took a look at the sources, and it looks fairly straight forward to add this 
functionality. I see there are three possibilities:

1) modify ns_return to take a flag. The optional connid parameter makes parsing 
the args a little trickier.
Current:
   ns_return ?connid? status type string  (is connid ever used??)
New
  ns_return ?connid? status type string ?gzip?
OR
  ns_return ?connid? status type string ?-gzip boolean?

2) add a new command similar to the workarounds:
  ns_returnz status type string 

3) Expose Ns_ConnSetGzipFlag to the script level. This would be most similar to 
how the ADP compression is done

Or, am I missing something here? Is there already a way to do this (without 
workarounds)?

Thanks,
   --brett


p.s. I'd really like on the fly compression for static files as well (yes, I 
know there are work arounds). 




  

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Brett Schwarz
I like the color. Not sure if Dossy was serious, but actually thinking about 
more...some sort of swoosh over the server part..in that color would look 
nice I think...but I'm biased...I like blue/orange color scheme...


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Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

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On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:29 -0400, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
 On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp. Now, 
  I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something basic that 
  we can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I would be 
  willing to *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I said, I am 
  no graphics designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.
 
 It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
 starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0 treatment.
 Heh.
 
 I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?
 
  BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with in
  creating a logo for aolserver?
 
 Good question.  I really should have a serious conversation with AOL
 Legal about this issue.  I'm hoping that as long as we stay away from
 the actual AOL logo treatment itself, we'll be okay ... but I'd like to
 get that in writing.
 
 


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Juan José del Río (Simple Option)
Yes, but:

- But Beta seems to attract so many people to certain
technologies/software... Even if some people don't like new people, they
are somehow needed. We'll die someday. We need someone to take over our
tasks.

- We can say that it's 1% beta. Sure there's something that still
crashes from time to time! If not, let me upload some patches, and
you'll see... lol



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On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 13:52 -0700, Rick Cobb wrote:
 Well, it's certainly compliant :-), but I suspect Mr. Jackson would object.
 If there's one thing aolserver ain't, it's beta.
 
 -- ReC
 
 -Original Message-
 From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan José 
 del Río (Simple Option)
 Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:44 PM
 To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
 Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com
 
 What about this?!
 
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 On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:29 -0400, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
  On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp.. 
   Now, I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something 
   basic that we can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I 
   would be willing to *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I 
   said, I am no graphics designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.
  
  It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
  starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0 treatment.
  Heh.
  
  I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?
  
   BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with in
   creating a logo for aolserver?
  
  Good question.  I really should have a serious conversation with AOL
  Legal about this issue.  I'm hoping that as long as we stay away from
  the actual AOL logo treatment itself, we'll be okay ... but I'd like to
  get that in writing.
  
  
 
 
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Re: [AOLSERVER] Compression

2008-04-08 Thread John Buckman

On Apr 8, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Brett Schwarz wrote:

So, from my reading, its seems as though that in 4.5, we got on the  
fly ADP page compression. However, it seems as though there isn't  
comparable functionality for Tcl files (i.e. ns_return). I know  
there are some work arounds, but I was just curious why this was  
not implemented in the core? I took a look at the sources, and it  
looks fairly straight forward to add this functionality. I see  
there are three possibilities:


1) modify ns_return to take a flag. The optional connid parameter  
makes parsing the args a little trickier.

Current:
   ns_return ?connid? status type string  (is connid ever used??)


I use:
ns_return_gzipped $conn $x

which is this, and works very reliably:

proc ns_return_gzipped {conn html} {
	if {[string first {gzip} [ns_set get [ns_conn headers] {Accept- 
Encoding}]] == -1} {

ns_return $conn 200 text/html $html
return TCL_OK
}

	# john 9/21/07 -- found that we need to convert to utf-8, it isn't  
automatic

set zl [ns_zlib gzip [encoding convertto utf-8 $html]]
set h [subst {HTTP/1.0 200 OK
MIME-Version: 1.0
Server: MoochServer/4.5.0a
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Length: [string length $zl]
Content-Encoding: gzip

$zl}]

ns_write $conn $h
return TCL_OK
}


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Jeff Rogers

Juan José del Río (Simple Option) wrote:

Yes, but:

- But Beta seems to attract so many people to certain
technologies/software... Even if some people don't like new people, they
are somehow needed. We'll die someday. We need someone to take over our
tasks.

- We can say that it's 1% beta. Sure there's something that still
crashes from time to time! If not, let me upload some patches, and
you'll see... lol


Note: I am half kidding, half serious.


Back in the old days we labeled stuff Under Construction.  Beta 
seems much more formal, snazzy, ...  2.0.


http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/12/27/web-2

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Jade Rubick
I thought the beta thing was hilarious. Aolserver is one of the most
rock-solid pieces of software I've used. But I half-agree with Juan (and I
know he's joking!)

Jade

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Juan José del Río (Simple Option) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, but:

 - But Beta seems to attract so many people to certain
 technologies/software... Even if some people don't like new people, they
 are somehow needed. We'll die someday. We need someone to take over our
 tasks.

 - We can say that it's 1% beta. Sure there's something that still
 crashes from time to time! If not, let me upload some patches, and
 you'll see... lol



 Note: I am half kidding, half serious.


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 On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 13:52 -0700, Rick Cobb wrote:
  Well, it's certainly compliant :-), but I suspect Mr. Jackson would
 object.
  If there's one thing aolserver ain't, it's beta.
 
  -- ReC
 
  -Original Message-
  From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Juan José del Río (Simple Option)
  Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:44 PM
  To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
  Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com
 
  What about this?!
 
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  On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:29 -0400, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
   On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with
 Gimp.. Now, I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something
 basic that we can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I would
 be willing to *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I said, I
 am no graphics designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.
  
   It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
   starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0
 treatment.
   Heh.
  
   I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?
  
BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with
 in
creating a logo for aolserver?
  
   Good question.  I really should have a serious conversation with AOL
   Legal about this issue.  I'm hoping that as long as we stay away from
   the actual AOL logo treatment itself, we'll be okay ... but I'd like
 to
   get that in writing.
  
  
 
 
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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Brett Schwarz
Something sort of like this, is what I was thinking about:

http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver2.jpg

Although the orange color kind of changed when it was converted to jpg...it 
was originally more like what Juan had...


- Original Message 
From: Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 1:58:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

I like the color. Not sure if Dossy was serious, but actually thinking about 
more...some sort of swoosh over the server part..in that color would look 
nice I think...but I'm biased...I like blue/orange color scheme...


- Original Message 
From: Juan José del Río (Simple Option) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 12:43:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

What about this?!

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On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:29 -0400, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
 On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp. Now, 
  I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something basic that 
  we can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I would be 
  willing to *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I said, I am 
  no graphics designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.
 
 It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
 starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0 treatment.
 Heh.
 
 I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?
 
  BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with in
  creating a logo for aolserver?
 
 Good question.  I really should have a serious conversation with AOL
 Legal about this issue.  I'm hoping that as long as we stay away from
 the actual AOL logo treatment itself, we'll be okay ... but I'd like to
 get that in writing.
 
 


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Compression

2008-04-08 Thread Brett Schwarz
Hey John,

I use something similar...in fact I think I stole it from an older post from 
you, IIRC. However, I guess my point was, that the mechanism is all there in 
4.5. The *only* thing that is needed for ns_return's to return compressed data 
is to set a flag (via Ns_ConnSetGzipFlag)...that's it. It's seems like a shame 
to me to let that go to waste...

Thanks,
 --brett

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Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Compression

On Apr 8, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Brett Schwarz wrote:

 So, from my reading, its seems as though that in 4.5, we got on the  
 fly ADP page compression. However, it seems as though there isn't  
 comparable functionality for Tcl files (i.e. ns_return). I know  
 there are some work arounds, but I was just curious why this was  
 not implemented in the core? I took a look at the sources, and it  
 looks fairly straight forward to add this functionality. I see  
 there are three possibilities:

 1) modify ns_return to take a flag. The optional connid parameter  
 makes parsing the args a little trickier.
 Current:
ns_return ?connid? status type string  (is connid ever used??)

I use:
ns_return_gzipped $conn $x

which is this, and works very reliably:

proc ns_return_gzipped {conn html} {
if {[string first {gzip} [ns_set get [ns_conn headers] {Accept- 
Encoding}]] == -1} {
ns_return $conn 200 text/html $html
return TCL_OK
}

# john 9/21/07 -- found that we need to convert to utf-8, it isn't  
automatic
set zl [ns_zlib gzip [encoding convertto utf-8 $html]]
set h [subst {HTTP/1.0 200 OK
MIME-Version: 1.0
Server: MoochServer/4.5.0a
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Length: [string length $zl]
Content-Encoding: gzip

$zl}]

ns_write $conn $h
 return TCL_OK
}


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Tom Jackson
On Tuesday 08 April 2008 13:52, Rick Cobb wrote:
 Well, it's certainly compliant :-), but I suspect Mr. Jackson would object.
 If there's one thing aolserver ain't, it's beta.

Well, at least he has a goal to achieve, and once we attract 'people' who are 
interested in developing beta grade software, we will surely get there very 
quickly. 

A cute logo isn't going to attract the level of developer who would be able to 
maintain AOLserver, much less provide a useful enhancement. 

But like I said: why not figure out what needs to be done...first. 

IMHO, by advertising the stability of the AOLserver API, you will attract 
users who would otherwise be correctly scared off by constant hacking. 

Another thing which might attract interest is if our current community members 
would write a brief application note explaining how they use AOLserver, and 
why they chose it over other potential platforms. Additionally, we could 
catalog sites known to run on AOLserver. My guess is that developers who have 
similar interests and motivations or similar problem solving skills as 
current community members will be attracted to the community. Given the fact 
that there have been only a handfull of CVS commits in the last year, I would 
venture to guess that most community members are happy with the current 
codebase, and that means that new community members will probably be looking 
for a mature project which allows them to focus on their own application, at 
least at first. Then, they may contribute a module which extends AOLserver. A 
quick look at all the modules in CVS suggests that this is the best way to 
contribute code, not by hacking on the core. 

Change for the sake of change will scare off any sane developer, we don't 
charge for upgrades, please remember this fact. 

tom jackson


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Juan José del Río (Simple Option)
Good one there, Brett.

As a suggestion: save it as PNG, that way colours won't change.

Also, you can try starting the lines from the L itself, or more to the
right than they're now. Or you can make them fade in from the L too... I
don't know how to fix it exactly, but that I like the lines is a fact :)

Good work :)


On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 15:42 -0700, Brett Schwarz wrote:
 Something sort of like this, is what I was thinking about:
 
 http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver2.jpg
 
 Although the orange color kind of changed when it was converted to 
 jpgit was originally more like what Juan had...
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
 Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 1:58:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com
 
 I like the color. Not sure if Dossy was serious, but actually thinking about 
 more...some sort of swoosh over the server part..in that color would look 
 nice I think...but I'm biased...I like blue/orange color scheme...
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Juan José del Río (Simple Option) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
 Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 12:43:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com
 
 What about this?!
 
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 On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:29 -0400, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
  On 2008.04.08, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I threw this together http://www.bschwarz.com/aolserver.jpg with Gimp.. 
   Now, I'm not a graphic's wiz, but I thought I would create something 
   basic that we can start with, as a way to get to the design we want. I 
   would be willing to *try* to make any suggested enhancements, but like I 
   said, I am no graphics designer. Perhaps this will spark some momentum.
  
  It's awesome.  Very Web 2.0 (gradient, reflection) ... an orange
  starburst and a swoosh would fully trick it out as a Web 2.0 treatment.
  Heh.
  
  I've used the logo.  Can you send me the GIMP .xcf file for it?
  
   BTW, are there any legal matters that we need to be concerned with in
   creating a logo for aolserver?
  
  Good question.  I really should have a serious conversation with AOL
  Legal about this issue.  I'm hoping that as long as we stay away from
  the actual AOL logo treatment itself, we'll be okay ... but I'd like to
  get that in writing.
  
  
 
 
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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2008.04.09, Juan José del Río (Simple Option) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As a suggestion: save it as PNG, that way colours won't change.

And, make sure to keep the original .xcf, so lossless changes can be
made.  :-)

 Also, you can try starting the lines from the L itself, or more to the
 right than they're now. Or you can make them fade in from the L too... I
 don't know how to fix it exactly, but that I like the lines is a fact :)

I don't think the lines should fade in, but they should be staggered
to match the slant of the L.

I'll grab Brett's .xcf and see if I can make the change I'm talking
about.

Indeed, great work, Brett.  Thanks for taking the initiative with this.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Dossy Shiobara
OK, so I added one more horizontal line (so now there are 4 instead of
3), and added a slight single pixel step, to try and match the slant of
the L.

http://aolserver.com/images/aolserver.png
http://aolserver.com/images/aolserver.xcf

I'd like to redo the original .xcf - what font face and size did you
use?  Colors, etc.  (Can you tell _I'm_ not a pixel jockey?  I can't
tell just from looking at what you did ... heh.)


On 2008.04.08, Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think the lines should fade in, but they should be staggered
 to match the slant of the L.
 
 I'll grab Brett's .xcf and see if I can make the change I'm talking
 about.
 
 Indeed, great work, Brett.  Thanks for taking the initiative with this.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Brett Schwarz
actually, where I was going with this whole thing was trying to convey speed 
(meaing aolserver is fast). That's the reason I used italic text, and that's 
why the lines fade away from the 'L'. Oh well, I guess I didn't do a good 
enough job conveying that :(

BTW, the xcf for the second version is at my website as well: aolserver2.xcf

Here are the logos I have so far, with 2 additional based on Juan's commets'... 
the last 2 are png as well...

http://bschwarz.com/aol_logo.html


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From: Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 5:24:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

On 2008.04.09, Juan José del Río (Simple Option) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As a suggestion: save it as PNG, that way colours won't change.

And, make sure to keep the original .xcf, so lossless changes can be
made.  :-)

 Also, you can try starting the lines from the L itself, or more to the
 right than they're now. Or you can make them fade in from the L too... I
 don't know how to fix it exactly, but that I like the lines is a fact :)

I don't think the lines should fade in, but they should be staggered
to match the slant of the L.

I'll grab Brett's .xcf and see if I can make the change I'm talking
about.

Indeed, great work, Brett.  Thanks for taking the initiative with this.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

2008-04-08 Thread Brett Schwarz
Ah, ok...now I know what you meant about following the L...yes, that looks 
better.

darn it...I thought by saving as xcf, Gimp would remember the colors, etc  
:(

I believe I used Arial bold italic for the text. I think I started with the 
blues in the article I quoted, but ended up making them darker. The colors from 
the article were 6291c0 and cce6f9. Sorry about that...I should have noted 
everything...I don't play around with the Gimp much :(

- Original Message 
From: Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 5:48:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Minor facelift to aolserver.com

OK, so I added one more horizontal line (so now there are 4 instead of
3), and added a slight single pixel step, to try and match the slant of
the L.

http://aolserver.com/images/aolserver.png
http://aolserver.com/images/aolserver.xcf

I'd like to redo the original .xcf - what font face and size did you
use?  Colors, etc.  (Can you tell _I'm_ not a pixel jockey?  I can't
tell just from looking at what you did ... heh.)


On 2008.04.08, Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think the lines should fade in, but they should be staggered
 to match the slant of the L.
 
 I'll grab Brett's .xcf and see if I can make the change I'm talking
 about.
 
 Indeed, great work, Brett.  Thanks for taking the initiative with this.


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