[AOLSERVER] AOLserver and Apache

2009-11-02 Thread Matthew Burke
At the 2008 Tcl conference, Olly Stephens talked about the work he has 
done revising/revamping mod_tcl.  At the time, he was waiting on 
permission from his company to release the code---he expected to be able 
to do so in a few weeks.


I haven't had time to follow up on this, but I would think that 
something like this would be needed in order to port the AOLserver API 
to an Apache environment (w/out having to resort to proxying).


Matt


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Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary

2009-11-02 Thread Jim Davidson
I like this approach, doesn't need to be perfect performance (PHP  
isn't generally) but more naturally blending the AOLserver API's and  
Tcl stuff into Apache seems smart in the year 2009.


Question:  Does anyone (really) care about Win32 now?  Poking at the  
code today, I'm thinking config/build/install of a library that could  
be used by a mod_aolserver would be cleaner without that cruft.



Disclosure:  I wrote most of that Win32 wrapper/build muck.  It's  
existence now offends me :)  Thinking back, my time and life energy  
would have been better spent drinking heavily than trying to navigate  
some silly intersection of Unix (which is mostly elegant) and Windows  
(which is, well, not so elegant).


-Jim




On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:36 AM, Bas Scheffers wrote:

I do this for a couple of sites, Apache's mod_proxy forwards stuff  
to AOLserver. This is mostly where we have a scarcity of IPs.


But that still means you have to jump through hoops to install it,  
learn how to run it in production, etc.


I'd love a being able to just say apt-get install apache2-aolserver  
apache2-aolserver-postgresql.


Then have a config section in the virtual server where you define db  
pools, the location of your tcl lib directories, etc. This could be  
overridden by .htaccess files so that you may download a complete  
package (say a blog, like WordPress), dump it in the page root and  
the .htaccess would say ./tcllib is just that and you could define  
pools (written to .htaccess) in config.adp.


A completely independent interpreter pool would be maintained for  
each virtual server. It could even be the only scripting module to  
be able to run in a fully threaded Apache. (but still needs to run  
in a forking environment so it can play nice with PHP)


No, this won't be as great and efficient as AOLserver is, but it  
will be a whole lot easier for people to use and sell to fellow  
staff, management, clients, etc.


Just my thoughts on the subject! (And I do realise this is a whole  
lot of work!)


Bas.

On 28/10/2009, at 12:34 PM, Jim Davidson wrote:

With fancy switches and/or proxies like varnish can you effectively  
blend aolserver with other app servers (lamp, ruby etc) now without  
actual code changes ?   I'm wondering if folks have done that  
successfully


Jim


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On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com  
wrote:



On 10/27/09 5:40 PM, Bas Scheffers wrote:
Moving AOLserver to run inside Apache as a module would be a  
great step to making it more accesible and popular.


This is the reason why I'd like to implement a module for  
AOLserver that

would enable it to run as a FastCGI application under Apache and/or
Lighttpd or any other webserver that speaks FastCGI.

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Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary

2009-11-02 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 04:32:41PM -0500, Jim Davidson wrote:

 Question:  Does anyone (really) care about Win32 now?

The cross-platformness of Tcl and AOLserver have definitely been
useful to me in the past.  In fact I'm still running AOLserver on
Windows today, but essentially as the platform for a custom
network-aware application, not a web server at all.  If I had to, I
could probably code my own minimal replacements for the AOLserver
services I actually used in tclsh, particularly since Zoran's Tcl
Thread Extension already ported (and then improved) the nsv_* APIs,
etc.

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