Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Bas Scheffers b...@scheffers.net wrote: On Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:30pm, Dave Bauer d...@thedesignexperience.org said: Of course you can say apt-get install aolserver4 already. Of course you can, but then what? Then you still have this completely alien server in front of you that you will need to configure. It puts people off. being just another language and API an Apache environment is going to be much more appealing to most users. The vast majority of people that *use* LAMP and not developers, nor have any heroic sysadmin skills. They just download WordPress or Drupal or Gallery, dump it into their page root and away they go. They may tweak a few templates with PHP code in them, but that's it. That's the kind of simplicity AOLserver needs to grow. We live in an Apache world; if you can't beat them, join them... I guess the question is: once you have made all these changes to AOLserver, what exactly do you have left? The answer is Apache running Tcl. Why not start with Tcl and run it under FastCGI? Which AOLserver API do you wish to continue to use after you add on Apache? I have an nsd emulation layer which replaces ns_conn, ns_return, etc, so that most tcl pages run as expected, I have another adapter which allows this layer to run inside of tclhttpd, which is similar to CGI. This allows my tcl pages to run inside AOLserver, tclhttpd, tcpserver, nstclsh, stand-along [socket] or [socket] with threads. It uses the same startup script in every case. What do I lose? Filters, modules, speed, ns_config. If we could somehow get modules and ns_config to work with nstclsh, it is relatively easy to replace the filter/registered proc functionality (already done that too) in Tcl code. So the only thing left is speed. I can wait a year and hardware improvements will solve that one by itself. But for me the big thing is the database API and connections. Only AOLserver provides that piece, so someone would have to demonstrate that modules would still work as they do in AOLserver before I could imagine this working. tom jackson -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
I like this approach, doesn't need to be perfect performance (PHP isn't generally) but more naturally blending the AOLserver API's and Tcl stuff into Apache seems smart in the year 2009. Question: Does anyone (really) care about Win32 now? Poking at the code today, I'm thinking config/build/install of a library that could be used by a mod_aolserver would be cleaner without that cruft. Disclosure: I wrote most of that Win32 wrapper/build muck. It's existence now offends me :) Thinking back, my time and life energy would have been better spent drinking heavily than trying to navigate some silly intersection of Unix (which is mostly elegant) and Windows (which is, well, not so elegant). -Jim On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:36 AM, Bas Scheffers wrote: I do this for a couple of sites, Apache's mod_proxy forwards stuff to AOLserver. This is mostly where we have a scarcity of IPs. But that still means you have to jump through hoops to install it, learn how to run it in production, etc. I'd love a being able to just say apt-get install apache2-aolserver apache2-aolserver-postgresql. Then have a config section in the virtual server where you define db pools, the location of your tcl lib directories, etc. This could be overridden by .htaccess files so that you may download a complete package (say a blog, like WordPress), dump it in the page root and the .htaccess would say ./tcllib is just that and you could define pools (written to .htaccess) in config.adp. A completely independent interpreter pool would be maintained for each virtual server. It could even be the only scripting module to be able to run in a fully threaded Apache. (but still needs to run in a forking environment so it can play nice with PHP) No, this won't be as great and efficient as AOLserver is, but it will be a whole lot easier for people to use and sell to fellow staff, management, clients, etc. Just my thoughts on the subject! (And I do realise this is a whole lot of work!) Bas. On 28/10/2009, at 12:34 PM, Jim Davidson wrote: With fancy switches and/or proxies like varnish can you effectively blend aolserver with other app servers (lamp, ruby etc) now without actual code changes ? I'm wondering if folks have done that successfully Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: On 10/27/09 5:40 PM, Bas Scheffers wrote: Moving AOLserver to run inside Apache as a module would be a great step to making it more accesible and popular. This is the reason why I'd like to implement a module for AOLserver that would enable it to run as a FastCGI application under Apache and/or Lighttpd or any other webserver that speaks FastCGI. -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 04:32:41PM -0500, Jim Davidson wrote: Question: Does anyone (really) care about Win32 now? The cross-platformness of Tcl and AOLserver have definitely been useful to me in the past. In fact I'm still running AOLserver on Windows today, but essentially as the platform for a custom network-aware application, not a web server at all. If I had to, I could probably code my own minimal replacements for the AOLserver services I actually used in tclsh, particularly since Zoran's Tcl Thread Extension already ported (and then improved) the nsv_* APIs, etc. -- Andrew Piskorski a...@piskorski.com http://www.piskorski.com/ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Bas Scheffers b...@scheffers.net wrote: I do this for a couple of sites, Apache's mod_proxy forwards stuff to AOLserver. This is mostly where we have a scarcity of IPs. But that still means you have to jump through hoops to install it, learn how to run it in production, etc. It is strange that the most valid reason to use Apache is a lack of IP addresses. But it's true. I'd love a being able to just say apt-get install apache2-aolserver apache2-aolserver-postgresql. As soon as apt-get blah-blah-blah starts installing software where I want it, with the options I want, I also would love it. But if I install an AOLserver for a client, they might want to keep their version for a few years, the next client might want the current version and a new postgresql. The apt-get stuff works exactly once per machine and it still doesn't give much flexibility. Eventually you have to learn how to do custom installs. I like the idea of a forward (caching) proxy, it fits in well with the filter type architecture in AOLserver. tom jackson -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:30pm, Dave Bauer d...@thedesignexperience.org said: Of course you can say apt-get install aolserver4 already. Of course you can, but then what? Then you still have this completely alien server in front of you that you will need to configure. It puts people off. being just another language and API an Apache environment is going to be much more appealing to most users. The vast majority of people that *use* LAMP and not developers, nor have any heroic sysadmin skills. They just download WordPress or Drupal or Gallery, dump it into their page root and away they go. They may tweak a few templates with PHP code in them, but that's it. That's the kind of simplicity AOLserver needs to grow. We live in an Apache world; if you can't beat them, join them... Bas. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
I do this for a couple of sites, Apache's mod_proxy forwards stuff to AOLserver. This is mostly where we have a scarcity of IPs. But that still means you have to jump through hoops to install it, learn how to run it in production, etc. I'd love a being able to just say apt-get install apache2-aolserver apache2-aolserver-postgresql. Then have a config section in the virtual server where you define db pools, the location of your tcl lib directories, etc. This could be overridden by .htaccess files so that you may download a complete package (say a blog, like WordPress), dump it in the page root and the .htaccess would say ./tcllib is just that and you could define pools (written to .htaccess) in config.adp. A completely independent interpreter pool would be maintained for each virtual server. It could even be the only scripting module to be able to run in a fully threaded Apache. (but still needs to run in a forking environment so it can play nice with PHP) No, this won't be as great and efficient as AOLserver is, but it will be a whole lot easier for people to use and sell to fellow staff, management, clients, etc. Just my thoughts on the subject! (And I do realise this is a whole lot of work!) Bas. On 28/10/2009, at 12:34 PM, Jim Davidson wrote: With fancy switches and/or proxies like varnish can you effectively blend aolserver with other app servers (lamp, ruby etc) now without actual code changes ? I'm wondering if folks have done that successfully Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: On 10/27/09 5:40 PM, Bas Scheffers wrote: Moving AOLserver to run inside Apache as a module would be a great step to making it more accesible and popular. This is the reason why I'd like to implement a module for AOLserver that would enable it to run as a FastCGI application under Apache and/or Lighttpd or any other webserver that speaks FastCGI. -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Bas Scheffers b...@scheffers.net wrote: I do this for a couple of sites, Apache's mod_proxy forwards stuff to AOLserver. This is mostly where we have a scarcity of IPs. But that still means you have to jump through hoops to install it, learn how to run it in production, etc. I'd love a being able to just say apt-get install apache2-aolserver apache2-aolserver-postgresql. Of course you can say apt-get install aolserver4 already. Dave Then have a config section in the virtual server where you define db pools, the location of your tcl lib directories, etc. This could be overridden by .htaccess files so that you may download a complete package (say a blog, like WordPress), dump it in the page root and the .htaccess would say ./tcllib is just that and you could define pools (written to .htaccess) in config.adp. A completely independent interpreter pool would be maintained for each virtual server. It could even be the only scripting module to be able to run in a fully threaded Apache. (but still needs to run in a forking environment so it can play nice with PHP) No, this won't be as great and efficient as AOLserver is, but it will be a whole lot easier for people to use and sell to fellow staff, management, clients, etc. Just my thoughts on the subject! (And I do realise this is a whole lot of work!) Bas. On 28/10/2009, at 12:34 PM, Jim Davidson wrote: With fancy switches and/or proxies like varnish can you effectively blend aolserver with other app servers (lamp, ruby etc) now without actual code changes ? I'm wondering if folks have done that successfully Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: On 10/27/09 5:40 PM, Bas Scheffers wrote: Moving AOLserver to run inside Apache as a module would be a great step to making it more accesible and popular. This is the reason why I'd like to implement a module for AOLserver that would enable it to run as a FastCGI application under Apache and/or Lighttpd or any other webserver that speaks FastCGI. -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
With fancy switches and/or proxies like varnish can you effectively blend aolserver with other app servers (lamp, ruby etc) now without actual code changes ? I'm wondering if folks have done that successfully Jim Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: On 10/27/09 5:40 PM, Bas Scheffers wrote: Moving AOLserver to run inside Apache as a module would be a great step to making it more accesible and popular. This is the reason why I'd like to implement a module for AOLserver that would enable it to run as a FastCGI application under Apache and/or Lighttpd or any other webserver that speaks FastCGI. -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
This why all of the Apache supported languages either require the pre-fork model where they keep one interpreter per process (like PHP) or party like it's 1993 in a FastCGI environment like Ruby (on Rails) does. Yuk. Don't name the FastCGI-party-people, they are mean! Albeit there applications have momentum, FAQ's, HowTos, packages in nearly every linux distribution, books to buy, thousands of developers; albeit they power all the world-famous well-known apps everyone uses, they use this lame technology. Even worse, if there apps stall, they place nginx or lighttpd with memcached in front of it and survice slashdot, just mad! Hm. Even using and relying on several AOL- and Naviservers for years now I cannot get used to the technical superiority discussions... So what? TCL is thread safe (tm)! Bernd. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:55pm, Bernd Eidenschink eidensch...@web.de said: Even using and relying on several AOL- and Naviservers for years now I cannot get used to the technical superiority discussions... It is not about technical superiority. No matter how hard you try, AOLserver will still run rings around a front-end PHP server. So you need twice the hardware. Twice the hardware is twice the manufacturing, twice the power consumption, twice the cooling. In short: AOLserver is better for the environment. If you run anything other than AOLserver, YOU HATE THE EARTH! It's why Greenpeace uses OpenACS! Seriously though, you can make a succesful service on any platform. That doesn't mean the Twitter boys couldn't have saved themselves a whole lot of sleepness nights by going with a better architecture initially, instead of the hard to scale flavor of the month. One of the most important reasons those platforms are more popular is because they all run in Apache and install with one tick of a box or apt-get/yum command, as well as working in large virtual hosting environment. (i.e.: cheap web hosts) Moving AOLserver to run inside Apache as a module would be a great step to making it more accesible and popular. Bas. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On 10/27/09 5:40 PM, Bas Scheffers wrote: Moving AOLserver to run inside Apache as a module would be a great step to making it more accesible and popular. This is the reason why I'd like to implement a module for AOLserver that would enable it to run as a FastCGI application under Apache and/or Lighttpd or any other webserver that speaks FastCGI. -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
nitin chandra wrote: Thank you Everyone, After a lot of attempts i was successful in installing the AoLserver but not PyWX or for that matter any thing which will integrate with Python. Support regarding PyWX on AoL is non-existent, and key people have stopped working / supporting this combo around 8yrs back (at least one person said so). The C-python implementation has a misfeature known as the global interpreter lock (GIL) that presents scalability problems in a threaded environment like AOLserver. I suspect whoever was working on the python integration ran headlong into this, got frustrated, and gave it up. AOLserver is bound to tcl at a pretty deep level, and it does so very well. While there is some support for other languages (php, perl, python, ML maybe?) it will never be as good as the tcl binding. -J -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:08am, Jeff Rogers dv...@diphi.com said: The C-python implementation has a misfeature known as the global interpreter lock (GIL) that presents scalability problems in a threaded This why all of the Apache supported languages either require the pre-fork model where they keep one interpreter per process (like PHP) or party like it's 1993 in a FastCGI environment like Ruby (on Rails) does. Yuk. Tcl seems to be the only language that is thread safe and can be embedded in the way it is in AOLserver. And like others have said: AOLserver actually uses a lot of the Tcl API. Most Tcl commands have a C equivalent that can be used outside an interpreter. With the few C modules I have made good use of this, using the String functions and not relying on things like glibc, for instance. (even glibc itself has many threading issues; I tried the str functions and in a high-load concurrent environment, they blew up and segfaulted.) Bas. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 03:38:30PM -0700, Jeff Rogers wrote: The C-python implementation has a misfeature known as the global interpreter lock (GIL) that presents scalability problems in a threaded Right. AOLserver is bound to tcl at a pretty deep level, and it does so very well. While there is some support for other languages (php, perl, python, ML maybe?) it will never be as good as the tcl binding. I'm not so sure your second statement there is true. What I think IS true, is that yes AOLserver is bound to Tcl at a pretty deep level, so you certainly can't take Tcl out of AOLserver - nor should you want to. Tcl is pretty much in there to stay. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that you can't make some other language just as well supported for AOLserver application level development as Tcl is, if you wanted to. As far as I know there's nothing in AOLserver's design that really prevents that, it's just a Simple Matter of Programming. Good choices would be any language implementation that's reentrant and intended for easy embedding in C code. Obvious candidates are JavaScript, Lua, and probably a couple of the dozens of Scheme implementations out there. With various levels of completeness, people have tried: - Standard ML, Objective CAML, PHP. (I think all used in Production for limited or specialized purposes, e.g. to run canned PHP webmail apps.) - Python. (Sounded like a fair bit of development, but no live use AFAIK.) - Scheme, Ruby, Perl, etc. (Early development only AFAIK, never finished and haven't seen any real use). See also: http://panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/Languages In fact, although I am NOT particularly familiar with AOLserver's internals (so I certainly could be mistaken), I'd bet that adding good AOLserver support for some other scripting language would be easier than in most other C-coded application servers which DON'T already have tight and reasonably clean scripting language integration. The Tcl support should have already laid most of the groundwork; you shouldn't need to invent APIs and interfaces, just provide your new Language X equivalents for the Tcl stuff that's already there. The only tricky parts might be language implementation specific magic like the Tcl interpretor initialization. I think a deeper question is, are you sure you want to do that anyway? People who see AOLserver's usefullness usually just decide to use the languages it comes with built in, Tcl and C. But you could instead try something completely different from the scripting-language-and-C AOLserver-esque paradigm, like Erlang. Or if you are a real hard-core lover of language X, perhaps you want to build your own application server yourself; I suspect that's what most language partisans or enthusiasts do. -- Andrew Piskorski a...@piskorski.com http://www.piskorski.com/ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM, nitin chandra nitinchand...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Is it necessary to install OpenACS along with AoLserver? No. OpenACS is just one application built on the AOLserver platform. Dave Nitin -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
You have to install AOLserver if you want to run OpenACS, but AOLserver is independent of OpenACS. But you might join the OpenACS community, and/or use their resources (openacs.org), they discuss a wider range of things than we do here. tom jackson On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:04 AM, nitin chandra nitinchand...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Is it necessary to install OpenACS along with AoLserver? Nitin -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
Thank you Tom, But somehow i am still waiting for support / guidance for installation of my AoLserver In that regard I have already requested the list twice still no response. Sub : AoLserver 4.5.1 install issue Still waiting ... Hope someone will :) Nitin On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Tom Jackson t...@rmadilo.com wrote: You have to install AOLserver if you want to run OpenACS, but AOLserver is independent of OpenACS. But you might join the OpenACS community, and/or use their resources (openacs.org), they discuss a wider range of things than we do here. tom jackson On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:04 AM, nitin chandra nitinchand...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Is it necessary to install OpenACS along with AoLserver? Nitin -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
Absolutely not! Only if you want to use OpenACS functionality. Our site started by using ACS (OpenACS's predecessor) as a foundation and a jumping-off point to learn from - we picked only the parts we needed from ACS, primarily infrastructure management (security, user registrations, shared functions, etc.) and added much more of our own using tcl scripts. Only about 5% of the current site came from ACS. Dave Siktberg Webility Corporation -Original Message- From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:aolser...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of nitin chandra Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:04 PM To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary Hi Everyone, Is it necessary to install OpenACS along with AoLserver? Nitin -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] is it necessary
On Oct 15, 2009, at 10:04 AM, nitin chandra wrote: Hi Everyone, Is it necessary to install OpenACS along with AoLserver? No, OpenACS is just a web toolkit that uses AOLserver, just as Django uses Apache. Don Baccus http://donb.photo.net http://birdnotes.net http://openacs.org -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to lists...@listserv.aol.com with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
