Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC proposal

[Scoop Gracie]

Oh okay. Thanks!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 09:44 Jonathan Washington <
jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not everywhere observes the same days as the U.S.  Different areas and
> peoples have their own traditions, just like they have their own languages.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents#Feast_day
>
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>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 11:59 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Huh?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 08:55 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I never think of that. Our fools' day is December 28...
>>> El 2/4/20 a les 15:13, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>>
>>> It was an April Fool's Day joke.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 23:19 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>>
>>>> WTF.
>>>> El 2/4/20 a les 3:46, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/PMC_proposals/Replanetize_Pluto
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC proposal

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Huh?

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 08:55 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Ah, I never think of that. Our fools' day is December 28...
> El 2/4/20 a les 15:13, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>
> It was an April Fool's Day joke.
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 23:19 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> WTF.
>> El 2/4/20 a les 3:46, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>
>> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/PMC_proposals/Replanetize_Pluto
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC proposal

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It was an April Fool's Day joke.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 23:19 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> WTF.
> El 2/4/20 a les 3:46, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>
> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/PMC_proposals/Replanetize_Pluto
>
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[Apertium-stuff] PMC proposal

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http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/PMC_proposals/Replanetize_Pluto
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Modifying the apertium stream format to include arbitrary information

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Oh, okay, that makes sense. I was also thinking it might make it easier for
humans to debug the format.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 14:55 Tanmai Khanna  wrote:

> Scoopgracie,
> We discussed something similar to this on the IRC, while doing that would
> make things very consistent, it would become too verbose, which is why it
> might be easier to not have the feature:value format for primary
> information, i,e., information that's almost always going to be there, and
> only have it for secondary/optional information.
>
> Secondly, by only adding a new format for secondary information, it
> wouldn't disturb the current data files or even parsers too much.
>
> However, if we all think consistency should be our primary focus, this
> could be considered.
>
> Tanmai
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:29 AM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> Or =
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 13:58 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds like a great idea to me. Maybe  could even become ?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 13:51 Tanmai Khanna 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> As part of the project to eliminate trimming, I had to come up with a
>>>> way to include the surface form in the lexical unit and hence modifying the
>>>> apertium stream format. To do this I would have to modify the parsers of
>>>> every program in the pipeline, and if that has to happen, we discussed on
>>>> the IRC that *it might be a good idea to modify the stream in such a
>>>> way that we can include an arbitrary amount of information in a lexical
>>>> unit, and each program can use whatever information they need.*
>>>>
>>>> The current information in the lexical unit would be primary
>>>> information, and then we would have optional secondary information which
>>>> could contain the surface form, but also literally anything you can think
>>>> of (case, sentiment, pragmatic info, etc.). This would open up a lot of
>>>> possibilities for each program, and it would strengthen the apertium stream
>>>> format considerably.
>>>>
>>>> We discussed several possible syntax for this new stream format, and
>>>> the one that seems the best is something like this:
>>>>
>>>> ^potato/patata$
>>>>
>>>> This doesn't mess with the current stream format too much. The number
>>>> of tags is already arbitrary so that helps. The secondary tags contain a
>>>> ":" that would help distinguish them from primary tags.
>>>>
>>>> To implement this a modification would still be needed to all the
>>>> parsers but the benefits far outweigh the amount of work needed to pull
>>>> this off.
>>>>
>>>> Since this would be a major fundamental change to Apertium, I request
>>>> you all to contribute with your views, any pros, cons, suggestions - to the
>>>> idea, to the syntax, anything.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>>> Tanmai Khanna
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Modifying the apertium stream format to include arbitrary information

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That sounds like a great idea to me. Maybe  could even become ?

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 13:51 Tanmai Khanna  wrote:

> Hey guys,
> As part of the project to eliminate trimming, I had to come up with a way
> to include the surface form in the lexical unit and hence modifying the
> apertium stream format. To do this I would have to modify the parsers of
> every program in the pipeline, and if that has to happen, we discussed on
> the IRC that *it might be a good idea to modify the stream in such a way
> that we can include an arbitrary amount of information in a lexical unit,
> and each program can use whatever information they need.*
>
> The current information in the lexical unit would be primary information,
> and then we would have optional secondary information which could contain
> the surface form, but also literally anything you can think of (case,
> sentiment, pragmatic info, etc.). This would open up a lot of possibilities
> for each program, and it would strengthen the apertium stream format
> considerably.
>
> We discussed several possible syntax for this new stream format, and the
> one that seems the best is something like this:
>
> ^potato/patata$
>
> This doesn't mess with the current stream format too much. The number of
> tags is already arbitrary so that helps. The secondary tags contain a ":"
> that would help distinguish them from primary tags.
>
> To implement this a modification would still be needed to all the parsers
> but the benefits far outweigh the amount of work needed to pull this off.
>
> Since this would be a major fundamental change to Apertium, I request you
> all to contribute with your views, any pros, cons, suggestions - to the
> idea, to the syntax, anything.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Tanmai Khanna
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Modifying the apertium stream format to include arbitrary information

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Or =

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 13:58 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> That sounds like a great idea to me. Maybe  could even become ?
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 13:51 Tanmai Khanna  wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>> As part of the project to eliminate trimming, I had to come up with a way
>> to include the surface form in the lexical unit and hence modifying the
>> apertium stream format. To do this I would have to modify the parsers of
>> every program in the pipeline, and if that has to happen, we discussed on
>> the IRC that *it might be a good idea to modify the stream in such a way
>> that we can include an arbitrary amount of information in a lexical unit,
>> and each program can use whatever information they need.*
>>
>> The current information in the lexical unit would be primary information,
>> and then we would have optional secondary information which could contain
>> the surface form, but also literally anything you can think of (case,
>> sentiment, pragmatic info, etc.). This would open up a lot of possibilities
>> for each program, and it would strengthen the apertium stream format
>> considerably.
>>
>> We discussed several possible syntax for this new stream format, and the
>> one that seems the best is something like this:
>>
>> ^potato/patata$
>>
>> This doesn't mess with the current stream format too much. The number of
>> tags is already arbitrary so that helps. The secondary tags contain a ":"
>> that would help distinguish them from primary tags.
>>
>> To implement this a modification would still be needed to all the parsers
>> but the benefits far outweigh the amount of work needed to pull this off.
>>
>> Since this would be a major fundamental change to Apertium, I request you
>> all to contribute with your views, any pros, cons, suggestions - to the
>> idea, to the syntax, anything.
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> Tanmai Khanna
>>
>> --
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSoC--Apertium Website Development

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You can edit http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/User:Yaimgr8/GSoC_2020_Proposal

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 08:56 Xavi Ivars  wrote:

> Don't you have an account already? Please go ahead and start working on it.
>
> Missatge de Mohit Kumar Verma  del dia dj., 26 de març
> 2020 a les 16:37:
>
>> I want to ask that where is the option to create draft proposal in the
>> wiki?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:57 PM Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>>
>>> hi Mohit,
>>>
>>> The best thing is that you write a draft proposal in the wiki, and send
>>> a link to the list, so mentors can discuss the proposal with you.
>>>
>>> If you said you have new ideas to implement, please add them to the
>>> proposal as a starting point for the conversation.
>>>
>>> Xavi
>>>
>>> Missatge de Mohit Kumar Verma  del dia dj., 26 de
>>> març 2020 a les 14:17:
>>>
 Hi
 I wanted to ask that what do you think can be accomplished in the
 project idea: Improvements to the Apertium Website.
 The more I think, the more I get new ideas to implement but they are
 just too much to be done in 3 month period.
 Can you please suggest how many tasks and what type of tasks I should
 include in the timeline.

 Thanks
 Mohit



 On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:49 PM Shrey Modi 
 wrote:

> Hey Mohit
> For review send it in the mailing list.
>
> All The Best
> Shrey Modi
>
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 14:03, Mohit Kumar Verma 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> My GSoC proposal is ready. I want to send it for a review before
>> putting it on the GSoC website. Where should I send it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mohit
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:35 PM Tino Didriksen <
>> m...@tinodidriksen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "A randomly generated password for Yaimgr8 has been sent to
>>> yaim...@gmail.com."
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 13:21, Mohit Kumar Verma 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi
 I am interested in project: Apertium Website Development and I will
 send proposal for it.
 I am requesting for wiki account.
 username:  yaimgr8
 email id: yaim...@gmail.com

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC election: Proclamation of the candidates.

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Oh, okay. Thank you!

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 10:58 Daniel Swanson 
wrote:

> Barring technical difficulties, I plan to send them out tomorrow morning.
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:56 PM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure when the ballots are supposed to go out, but I don't have one
> yet.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 10:08 Hèctor Alòs i Font 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> There's nothing to the contrary in the by-laws, so they are allowed. In
> fact, in a normal election I suspect this must be the usual practice for
> candidates.
> >>
> >> El dc., 25 març 2020, 19.29, Scoop Gracie  va
> escriure:
> >>>
> >>> Are candidates allowed to vote for themselves?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 05:06 Hèctor Alòs i Font 
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Tanmai,
> >>>>
> >>>> The by-laws are quite specific at this point (article 24):
> >>>>
> >>>> "j. Once candidates are proclaimed, Committers with the right to vote
> will send a ballot with:
> >>>>
> >>>> The name of a candidate to president of the Project Management
> Committee, and
> >>>> The name of up to four candidates to members of the Project
> Management Committee
> >>>>
> >>>> k. There will be 7 days to send the ballots"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hèctor
> >>>>
> >>>> Missatge de Tanmai Khanna  del dia dc., 25
> de març 2020 a les 14:50:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey Hèctor,
> >>>>> What's the voting system that the election board will follow? Will
> it be first past the post or a ranked system like STV?
> >>>>> Also, will I as a voter get 7 votes for the PMC or will I get 1 vote?
> >>>>> Clarifying these and the thought-process behind the choice will make
> the process more transparent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks and Regards,
> >>>>> Tanmai
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:06 PM Hèctor Alòs i Font <
> hectora...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The final census of voters for the Apertium Project Management
> Committee election is here. Nobody has found anything to amend.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The following people have indicated they want to run for PMC
> members:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Sushain K. Cherivirala
> >>>>>> - Tino Didriksen
> >>>>>> - Mikel L. Forcada
> >>>>>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> >>>>>> - Xavi Ivars
> >>>>>> - Tanmai Khanna
> >>>>>> - Francis Tyers
> >>>>>> - Jonathan Washington
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Two candidates are standing for PMC President:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Tino Didriksen
> >>>>>> - Francis Tyers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The ballots will be sent to the voters shortly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On behalf of the Election Board,
> >>>>>> Hèctor Alòs i Font
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC election: Proclamation of the candidates.

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Not sure when the ballots are supposed to go out, but I don't have one yet.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 10:08 Hèctor Alòs i Font  wrote:

> There's nothing to the contrary in the by-laws, so they are allowed. In
> fact, in a normal election I suspect this must be the usual practice for
> candidates.
>
> El dc., 25 març 2020, 19.29, Scoop Gracie  va
> escriure:
>
>> Are candidates allowed to vote for themselves?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 05:06 Hèctor Alòs i Font 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tanmai,
>>>
>>> The by-laws <http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/By-laws> are quite specific
>>> at this point (article 24):
>>>
>>> - "j. Once candidates are proclaimed, Committers with the right to vote
>>> will send a ballot with:
>>>
>>>1. The name of a candidate to president of the Project Management
>>>Committee, and
>>>2. The name of up to four candidates to members of the Project
>>>Management Committee
>>>
>>> - k. There will be 7 days to send the ballots"
>>>
>>> Hèctor
>>>
>>> Missatge de Tanmai Khanna  del dia dc., 25 de
>>> març 2020 a les 14:50:
>>>
>>>> Hey Hèctor,
>>>> What's the voting system that the election board will follow? Will it
>>>> be first past the post or a ranked system like STV?
>>>> Also, will I as a voter get 7 votes for the PMC or will I get 1 vote?
>>>> Clarifying these and the thought-process behind the choice will make
>>>> the process more transparent.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>>> Tanmai
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:06 PM Hèctor Alòs i Font <
>>>> hectora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The final census of voters for the Apertium Project Management
>>>>> Committee election is here
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA/edit#gid=0>.
>>>>> Nobody has found anything to amend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The following people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Sushain K. Cherivirala
>>>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>>>> - Mikel L. Forcada
>>>>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>>>>> - Xavi Ivars
>>>>> - Tanmai Khanna
>>>>> - Francis Tyers
>>>>> - Jonathan Washington
>>>>>
>>>>> Two candidates are standing for PMC President:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>>>> - Francis Tyers
>>>>>
>>>>> The ballots will be sent to the voters shortly.
>>>>>
>>>>> On behalf of the Election Board,
>>>>> Hèctor Alòs i Font
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC election: Proclamation of the candidates.

[Scoop Gracie]

Okay, thank you.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 10:02 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> No restrictions. As usual in any election.
>
> El 25/3/20 a les 17:28, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> > Are candidates allowed to vote for themselves?
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC election: Proclamation of the candidates.

[Scoop Gracie]

Are candidates allowed to vote for themselves?

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 05:06 Hèctor Alòs i Font  wrote:

> Hi Tanmai,
>
> The by-laws <http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/By-laws> are quite specific at
> this point (article 24):
>
> - "j. Once candidates are proclaimed, Committers with the right to vote
> will send a ballot with:
>
>1. The name of a candidate to president of the Project Management
>Committee, and
>2. The name of up to four candidates to members of the Project
>Management Committee
>
> - k. There will be 7 days to send the ballots"
>
> Hèctor
>
> Missatge de Tanmai Khanna  del dia dc., 25 de
> març 2020 a les 14:50:
>
>> Hey Hèctor,
>> What's the voting system that the election board will follow? Will it be
>> first past the post or a ranked system like STV?
>> Also, will I as a voter get 7 votes for the PMC or will I get 1 vote?
>> Clarifying these and the thought-process behind the choice will make the
>> process more transparent.
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> Tanmai
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:06 PM Hèctor Alòs i Font 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The final census of voters for the Apertium Project Management Committee
>>> election is here
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA/edit#gid=0>.
>>> Nobody has found anything to amend.
>>>
>>> The following people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
>>>
>>> - Sushain K. Cherivirala
>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>> - Mikel L. Forcada
>>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>>> - Xavi Ivars
>>> - Tanmai Khanna
>>> - Francis Tyers
>>> - Jonathan Washington
>>>
>>> Two candidates are standing for PMC President:
>>>
>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>> - Francis Tyers
>>>
>>> The ballots will be sent to the voters shortly.
>>>
>>> On behalf of the Election Board,
>>> Hèctor Alòs i Font
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium PMC elections

[Scoop Gracie]

oh wait. that's just auto generated from an ip

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> I found Ivy Richardson's email address.
> ivyrichard...@149-161-191-7.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:23 AM Hèctor Alòs i Font 
> wrote:
>
>> I think that a delay as this one is not a problem at all. This seems to
>> me quite different to the case that was under discussion.
>> Hèctor
>>
>> Missatge de Tanmai Khanna  del dia dc., 18 de
>> març 2020 a les 21:03:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if this is about me at this point, but yeah I didn't mean a
>>> temporary resignation, which seems like trying to find a loophole, but as
>>> Tino said, a delayed appointment would've made more sense if I do get
>>> elected and my GSoC application gets accepted.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if that is acceptable to the community. If it's not,
>>> I'll pick one.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tanmai
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:16 PM Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After reconsidering the temporary resignation, I will stop supporting
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 10:40 Sushain Cherivirala 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the excellent summary of the situation, Election Board.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've given it some thought and decided to also run for the PMC. Please
>>>>> add my name to the ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll second the thoughts of Xavi and Ngadou -- a "temporary
>>>>> resignation" seems quite contrived to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sushain K. Cherivirala
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:08 AM Ngadou Yopa 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I share the same idea with Xavir Ivars
>>>>>> You definitely have to choose one or the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Ngadou
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le mercredi 18 mars 2020, Scoop Gracie  a
>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think it violates the idea of the rules to leave and come
>>>>>>> back. I think the concern is so students don't manipulate things in 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> own favor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 16:12 Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do bylaws say something about being a over-18?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think it's explicit anywhere, but it would be something we
>>>>>>>> should take into account.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I don't think temporary resignations (getting off the PMC
>>>>>>>> while GSoC or GCI are going on and then coming back) is a good idea: 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> seems to my trying to find a workaround to literally follow the rules 
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> in practice breaking them (just to be clear: I'm not taking about 
>>>>>>>> "holding"
>>>>>>>> on someone joining the PMC until their GSoC/GCI finish, but getting
>>>>>>>> in/out/in the again).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Xavi Ivars
>>>>>>>> < http://xavi.ivars.me >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El dt., 17 de març 2020, 16:46, Scoop Gracie 
>>>>>>>> va escriure:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, okay. There's a similar scenario with GCI; I want to be a
>>>>>>>>> student again this year. Could we keep a vacancy on the PMC from the 
>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>> of GCI until it ended?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:40 AM Daniel Swanson <
>>>>>>>>> awesomeevildu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given that GSoC applications have already begun, I think that
>>>>>>>>>> would amount to the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>&

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium PMC elections

[Scoop Gracie]

I found Ivy Richardson's email address.
ivyrichard...@149-161-191-7.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:23 AM Hèctor Alòs i Font 
wrote:

> I think that a delay as this one is not a problem at all. This seems to me
> quite different to the case that was under discussion.
> Hèctor
>
> Missatge de Tanmai Khanna  del dia dc., 18 de
> març 2020 a les 21:03:
>
>> I'm not sure if this is about me at this point, but yeah I didn't mean a
>> temporary resignation, which seems like trying to find a loophole, but as
>> Tino said, a delayed appointment would've made more sense if I do get
>> elected and my GSoC application gets accepted.
>>
>> Please let me know if that is acceptable to the community. If it's not,
>> I'll pick one.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tanmai
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:16 PM Scoop Gracie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After reconsidering the temporary resignation, I will stop supporting it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 10:40 Sushain Cherivirala 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the excellent summary of the situation, Election Board.
>>>>
>>>> I've given it some thought and decided to also run for the PMC. Please
>>>> add my name to the ballot.
>>>>
>>>> I'll second the thoughts of Xavi and Ngadou -- a "temporary
>>>> resignation" seems quite contrived to me.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sushain K. Cherivirala
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:08 AM Ngadou Yopa 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I share the same idea with Xavir Ivars
>>>>> You definitely have to choose one or the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Ngadou
>>>>>
>>>>> Le mercredi 18 mars 2020, Scoop Gracie  a
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it violates the idea of the rules to leave and come
>>>>>> back. I think the concern is so students don't manipulate things in their
>>>>>> own favor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 16:12 Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do bylaws say something about being a over-18?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think it's explicit anywhere, but it would be something we
>>>>>>> should take into account.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I don't think temporary resignations (getting off the PMC
>>>>>>> while GSoC or GCI are going on and then coming back) is a good idea: 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> seems to my trying to find a workaround to literally follow the rules 
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> in practice breaking them (just to be clear: I'm not taking about 
>>>>>>> "holding"
>>>>>>> on someone joining the PMC until their GSoC/GCI finish, but getting
>>>>>>> in/out/in the again).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Xavi Ivars
>>>>>>> < http://xavi.ivars.me >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El dt., 17 de març 2020, 16:46, Scoop Gracie 
>>>>>>> va escriure:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, okay. There's a similar scenario with GCI; I want to be a
>>>>>>>> student again this year. Could we keep a vacancy on the PMC from the 
>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>> of GCI until it ended?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:40 AM Daniel Swanson <
>>>>>>>> awesomeevildu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given that GSoC applications have already begun, I think that
>>>>>>>>> would amount to the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:38 AM Scoop Gracie <
>>>>>>>>> scoopgra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, would it be possible for  him to be appointed now,
>>>>>>>>>> temporarily resign before GSoC, and then be reappointed after GSoC 
>>>>>>>>>> ends?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Working around monodix trimming

[Scoop Gracie]

I think the last solution mentioned sounds best.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 07:38 Tanmai Khanna  wrote:

> Hey guys,
> Dictionary trimming is the process of removing those words and their
> analyses from monolingual language models (FSTs compiled from monodixes)
> which don't have an entry in the bidix, to avoid a lot of untranslated
> lemmas (with an @ if debugging) in the output, which lead to issues with
> comprehension and post-editing the output.
>
> There is a GSoC project
> 
> which aims to eliminate this trimming and propose a solution such that you
> don't lose the benefits of dictionary trimming as well. In this email I
> will list a summary of the discussion that has taken place up until now.
>
> By trimming the dictionary, you throw away valuable analyses of words in
> the source language, which, if preserved, can be used as context for
> lexical selection and analysis of the input. Also, several transfer rules
> don't match as the word is shown as unknown.
>
> Several solutions are possible for avoiding trimming, some of which have
> been discussed by Unhammer here
> . These involve keeping
> the surface form of the source word, and the lemma+analysis as well - use
> the analysis till you need it in the pipe and then propagate the source
> form as an unknown word (like it would be done in trimming).
>
> Another interesting solution that was discussed was that instead of just
> propagating the source surface form, we can output [source-word lemma +
> target morphology], as is shown in this example by Mikel:
>
> Translating from Basque to English:
> "Andonik izarak izeki zuen" ('Andoni hung up the sheets') → 'Andoni
> *izeki-ed the sheets".
>
> This might help in comprehensibility of the output, and to some extent
> even the post-editability.
>
> If you have any significant pros, cons, or suggestions to add for this
> project, you're requested to reply to this thread so that if I work on this
> project, I can do it fully informed.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Tanmai Khanna
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium PMC elections

[Scoop Gracie]

After reconsidering the temporary resignation, I will stop supporting it.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 10:40 Sushain Cherivirala  wrote:

> Thanks for the excellent summary of the situation, Election Board.
>
> I've given it some thought and decided to also run for the PMC. Please add
> my name to the ballot.
>
> I'll second the thoughts of Xavi and Ngadou -- a "temporary resignation"
> seems quite contrived to me.
>
> --
> Sushain K. Cherivirala
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:08 AM Ngadou Yopa 
> wrote:
>
>> I share the same idea with Xavir Ivars
>> You definitely have to choose one or the other.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ngadou
>>
>> Le mercredi 18 mars 2020, Scoop Gracie  a écrit :
>>
>>> I don't think it violates the idea of the rules to leave and come back.
>>> I think the concern is so students don't manipulate things in their own
>>> favor.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 16:12 Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do bylaws say something about being a over-18?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's explicit anywhere, but it would be something we
>>>> should take into account.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I don't think temporary resignations (getting off the PMC while
>>>> GSoC or GCI are going on and then coming back) is a good idea: that seems
>>>> to my trying to find a workaround to literally follow the rules but in
>>>> practice breaking them (just to be clear: I'm not taking about "holding" on
>>>> someone joining the PMC until their GSoC/GCI finish, but getting in/out/in
>>>> the again).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Xavi Ivars
>>>> < http://xavi.ivars.me >
>>>>
>>>> El dt., 17 de març 2020, 16:46, Scoop Gracie 
>>>> va escriure:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, okay. There's a similar scenario with GCI; I want to be a student
>>>>> again this year. Could we keep a vacancy on the PMC from the start of GCI
>>>>> until it ended?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:40 AM Daniel Swanson <
>>>>> awesomeevildu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that GSoC applications have already begun, I think that would
>>>>>> amount to the same thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:38 AM Scoop Gracie 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alternatively, would it be possible for  him to be appointed now,
>>>>>>> temporarily resign before GSoC, and then be reappointed after GSoC ends?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:29 AM Tino Didriksen <
>>>>>>> m...@tinodidriksen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tanmai Khanna is both standing for PMC and is considering
>>>>>>>> participating as a student in GSoC for Apertium. These are 
>>>>>>>> incompatible -
>>>>>>>> GSoC rules state students cannot be officers of the organization they 
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> to work for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I propose that if Tanmai Khanna is both elected and applies and is
>>>>>>>> accepted for GSoC, that we postpone his appointment to the PMC until 
>>>>>>>> final
>>>>>>>> GSoC evaluations are done. We discussed it a bit in the mentors IRC 
>>>>>>>> channel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just one more quirk to add to the mix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 09:33, Hèctor Alòs i Font <
>>>>>>>> hectora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> According to article 23 of the by-laws,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "f) When an election is called, the Election Board will publish a
>>>>>>>>> temporary census of Committers with right to vote will be published.
>>>>>>>>> g) After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census of
>>>>>>>>> Committers with right to vote will be published by the Election Board
>>>>>>>>> h) There will be 7

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium PMC elections

[Scoop Gracie]

I don't think it violates the idea of the rules to leave and come back. I
think the concern is so students don't manipulate things in their own favor.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 16:12 Xavi Ivars  wrote:

> Do bylaws say something about being a over-18?
>
> I don't think it's explicit anywhere, but it would be something we should
> take into account.
>
> Also, I don't think temporary resignations (getting off the PMC while GSoC
> or GCI are going on and then coming back) is a good idea: that seems to my
> trying to find a workaround to literally follow the rules but in practice
> breaking them (just to be clear: I'm not taking about "holding" on someone
> joining the PMC until their GSoC/GCI finish, but getting in/out/in the
> again).
>
>
> --
> Xavi Ivars
> < http://xavi.ivars.me >
>
> El dt., 17 de març 2020, 16:46, Scoop Gracie  va
> escriure:
>
>> Oh, okay. There's a similar scenario with GCI; I want to be a student
>> again this year. Could we keep a vacancy on the PMC from the start of GCI
>> until it ended?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:40 AM Daniel Swanson <
>> awesomeevildu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Given that GSoC applications have already begun, I think that would
>>> amount to the same thing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:38 AM Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alternatively, would it be possible for  him to be appointed now,
>>>> temporarily resign before GSoC, and then be reappointed after GSoC ends?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:29 AM Tino Didriksen 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tanmai Khanna is both standing for PMC and is considering
>>>>> participating as a student in GSoC for Apertium. These are incompatible -
>>>>> GSoC rules state students cannot be officers of the organization they want
>>>>> to work for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose that if Tanmai Khanna is both elected and applies and is
>>>>> accepted for GSoC, that we postpone his appointment to the PMC until final
>>>>> GSoC evaluations are done. We discussed it a bit in the mentors IRC 
>>>>> channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just one more quirk to add to the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 09:33, Hèctor Alòs i Font 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> According to article 23 of the by-laws,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "f) When an election is called, the Election Board will publish a
>>>>>> temporary census of Committers with right to vote will be published.
>>>>>> g) After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census of
>>>>>> Committers with right to vote will be published by the Election Board
>>>>>> h) There will be 7 days for candidates to member and president to
>>>>>> come forward
>>>>>> i) The Election Board will proclaim the candidates to President and
>>>>>> to Members of the Project Management Committee"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the one hand, a list of potential voters has been kindly published
>>>>>> by Tino Didriksen here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA/edit#gid=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Election Board has not found any missing, and considers it a
>>>>>> temporary census. If someone thinks there is a mistake, and someone is
>>>>>> missing or left over, please contact the Election Board. The definitive
>>>>>> census will be published after 7 days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, so far, these people have indicated they want to
>>>>>> run for PMC members:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>>>>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>>>>>> - Xavi Ivars
>>>>>> - Tanmai Khanna
>>>>>> - Mikel L. Forcada
>>>>>> - Francis Tyers
>>>>>> - Jonathan Washington
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are standing for PMC President:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Tino Didriksen (if there are more than 7 candidates for PMC members)
>>>>>> - Francis Tyers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone wants to stand as a candidate, there is stil

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium PMC elections - GCI

[Scoop Gracie]

Okay, thank you.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:03 AM Tino Didriksen 
wrote:

> That would be for the next PMC to decide - it's too far in the future.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 16:45, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Oh, okay. There's a similar scenario with GCI; I want to be a student
>> again this year. Could we keep a vacancy on the PMC from the start of GCI
>> until it ended?
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium PMC elections

[Scoop Gracie]

Oh, okay. There's a similar scenario with GCI; I want to be a student again
this year. Could we keep a vacancy on the PMC from the start of GCI until
it ended?

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:40 AM Daniel Swanson 
wrote:

> Given that GSoC applications have already begun, I think that would amount
> to the same thing.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:38 AM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> Alternatively, would it be possible for  him to be appointed now,
>> temporarily resign before GSoC, and then be reappointed after GSoC ends?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:29 AM Tino Didriksen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tanmai Khanna is both standing for PMC and is considering participating
>>> as a student in GSoC for Apertium. These are incompatible - GSoC rules
>>> state students cannot be officers of the organization they want to work for.
>>>
>>> I propose that if Tanmai Khanna is both elected and applies and is
>>> accepted for GSoC, that we postpone his appointment to the PMC until final
>>> GSoC evaluations are done. We discussed it a bit in the mentors IRC channel.
>>>
>>> Just one more quirk to add to the mix.
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 09:33, Hèctor Alòs i Font 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to article 23 of the by-laws,
>>>>
>>>> "f) When an election is called, the Election Board will publish a
>>>> temporary census of Committers with right to vote will be published.
>>>> g) After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census of Committers
>>>> with right to vote will be published by the Election Board
>>>> h) There will be 7 days for candidates to member and president to come
>>>> forward
>>>> i) The Election Board will proclaim the candidates to President and to
>>>> Members of the Project Management Committee"
>>>>
>>>> On the one hand, a list of potential voters has been kindly published
>>>> by Tino Didriksen here:
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA/edit#gid=0
>>>>
>>>> The Election Board has not found any missing, and considers it a
>>>> temporary census. If someone thinks there is a mistake, and someone is
>>>> missing or left over, please contact the Election Board. The definitive
>>>> census will be published after 7 days.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, so far, these people have indicated they want to run
>>>> for PMC members:
>>>>
>>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>>>> - Xavi Ivars
>>>> - Tanmai Khanna
>>>> - Mikel L. Forcada
>>>> - Francis Tyers
>>>> - Jonathan Washington
>>>>
>>>> These are standing for PMC President:
>>>>
>>>> - Tino Didriksen (if there are more than 7 candidates for PMC members)
>>>> - Francis Tyers
>>>>
>>>> If someone wants to stand as a candidate, there is still a week to do
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> The Election Board
>>>> Hèctor Alòs i Font
>>>> Sevilay Bayatlı
>>>> Daniel Swanson
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium PMC elections

[Scoop Gracie]

Alternatively, would it be possible for  him to be appointed now,
temporarily resign before GSoC, and then be reappointed after GSoC ends?

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:29 AM Tino Didriksen 
wrote:

> Tanmai Khanna is both standing for PMC and is considering participating as
> a student in GSoC for Apertium. These are incompatible - GSoC rules state
> students cannot be officers of the organization they want to work for.
>
> I propose that if Tanmai Khanna is both elected and applies and is
> accepted for GSoC, that we postpone his appointment to the PMC until final
> GSoC evaluations are done. We discussed it a bit in the mentors IRC channel.
>
> Just one more quirk to add to the mix.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 09:33, Hèctor Alòs i Font 
> wrote:
>
>> According to article 23 of the by-laws,
>>
>> "f) When an election is called, the Election Board will publish a
>> temporary census of Committers with right to vote will be published.
>> g) After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census of Committers
>> with right to vote will be published by the Election Board
>> h) There will be 7 days for candidates to member and president to come
>> forward
>> i) The Election Board will proclaim the candidates to President and to
>> Members of the Project Management Committee"
>>
>> On the one hand, a list of potential voters has been kindly published by
>> Tino Didriksen here:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA/edit#gid=0
>>
>> The Election Board has not found any missing, and considers it a
>> temporary census. If someone thinks there is a mistake, and someone is
>> missing or left over, please contact the Election Board. The definitive
>> census will be published after 7 days.
>>
>> On the other hand, so far, these people have indicated they want to run
>> for PMC members:
>>
>> - Tino Didriksen
>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>> - Xavi Ivars
>> - Tanmai Khanna
>> - Mikel L. Forcada
>> - Francis Tyers
>> - Jonathan Washington
>>
>> These are standing for PMC President:
>>
>> - Tino Didriksen (if there are more than 7 candidates for PMC members)
>> - Francis Tyers
>>
>> If someone wants to stand as a candidate, there is still a week to do so.
>>
>> The Election Board
>> Hèctor Alòs i Font
>> Sevilay Bayatlı
>> Daniel Swanson
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Wiki account registration

[Scoop Gracie]

Yeah, that is a thought.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 04:31 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> My point is that no bot can do that. It would require a human to register
> the account for the bot, in which case there's nothing we can do anyway. So
> no, there's no reason to further complicate account registration.
>
> If anything, I would like to open up registrations more, so that admins
> don't have to get involved at first.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 12:18, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> I meant a bot targeting the Apertium wiki by Design.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 01:29 Tino Didriksen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No. That is so far beyond the realm of spambot behavior that we don't
>>> need to worry about it. No spambot is advanced enough to request
>>> registration via a completely unrelated website and mailing list, or IRC
>>> channel.
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 05:59, Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we need a better way to register wiki accounts. There is
>>>> nothing stopping a spambot from sending an email to Apertium-stuff with a
>>>> username and getting a wiki account (because we would think it was a
>>>> person). Obviously, we would catch this if it happened rapidly, but in the
>>>> lead up to GSoC, doing it once a day or so with different (possibly
>>>> spoofed) addresses wouldn't look suspicious, and even after we knew about
>>>> the attack, how would we know which future messages were bots?
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Wiki account registration

[Scoop Gracie]

I meant a bot targeting the Apertium wiki by Design.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 01:29 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> No. That is so far beyond the realm of spambot behavior that we don't need
> to worry about it. No spambot is advanced enough to request registration
> via a completely unrelated website and mailing list, or IRC channel.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 05:59, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> I think we need a better way to register wiki accounts. There is nothing
>> stopping a spambot from sending an email to Apertium-stuff with a username
>> and getting a wiki account (because we would think it was a person).
>> Obviously, we would catch this if it happened rapidly, but in the lead up
>> to GSoC, doing it once a day or so with different (possibly spoofed)
>> addresses wouldn't look suspicious, and even after we knew about the
>> attack, how would we know which future messages were bots?
>>
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[Apertium-stuff] Wiki account registration

[Scoop Gracie]

I think we need a better way to register wiki accounts. There is nothing
stopping a spambot from sending an email to Apertium-stuff with a username
and getting a wiki account (because we would think it was a person).
Obviously, we would catch this if it happened rapidly, but in the lead up
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addresses wouldn't look suspicious, and even after we knew about the
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Since the census was published a week ago, I believe it would normally be
time to actually send the ballots. However, since only 7 people are
running, should we add a few more days?

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 02:29 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Sorry folks, I'd like to be in the committee.
>
> Dealing with COVID-19 has sucked a lot of my time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mikel
>
>
> El 14/3/20 a les 0:23, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
> > пт, 13 мар. 2020 г. в 17:43, Bernard Chardonneau :
> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen <
> m...@tinodidriksen.com>
> >>> To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
> >>> Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> >>> Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> >>>
> >>> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> >>> - Jonathan Washington
> >>> - Francis Tyers
> >>> - Tino Didriksen
> >>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> >>> - Tanmai Khanna
> >>> - Xavi Ivars
> >>> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
> >>>
> >>> These are standing for PMC President:
> >>> - Francis Tyers
> >>> - Tino Didriksen
> >>>
> >>> These have volunteered for being the election board:
> >>> - Sevilay Bayatlı
> >>> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> >>> - Daniel Swanson
> >>>
> >>> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7
> members.
> >>> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the
> president -
> >>> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid
> needing
> >>> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need
> to
> >>> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
> >>>
> >>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19,
> maybe we
> >>> should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> >>> everyone.
> >>>
> >>> -- Tino Didriksen
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for
> having each
> >> of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if the
> actual
> >> PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them
> decides to
> >> declare the results without running the election, I would not find it
> stupid.
> >>
> >> But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find
> that
> >> very strange.
> >>
> >> In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are
> called to
> >> stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home
> later
> >> every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at home
> children
> >> who don't go to school.
> >>
> >> Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.
> >>
> >> In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils
> and
> >> students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers
> are
> >> called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them
> some
> >> work.
> >>
> >> For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are
> called to
> >> stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.
> >>
> >> So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day
> for
> >> working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing
> (certainly
> >> in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.
> >>
> >> For a free software developer, using a computer and Internet is nothing
> new.
> >>
> >> Participating to the PMC election, for people who just vote, that will
> mean
> >> receiving 2 or 3 emails, and sending one email for voting.
> >>
> >> That is not a big work and doing that when moving every day to the
> working
> >> ou studing place or when staying at home will not change a lot.
> >>
> >> And as I said earlier, having to stay at home may even give more free
> time.
> >>
> >> If there was hundred of million peoples in the world ill due to covid-19
> >> at the same time (5 % of the world population or more), that would be a
> >> valuable reason to postpone this election. B

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

+1 on all points. However, if any Committers have covid or an immediate
family member with it, I do think we should postpone it.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 14:43 Bernard Chardonneau  wrote:

> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen <
> m...@tinodidriksen.com>
> > To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
> > Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> > Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> >
> > So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> > - Jonathan Washington
> > - Francis Tyers
> > - Tino Didriksen
> > - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> > - Tanmai Khanna
> > - Xavi Ivars
> > ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
> >
> > These are standing for PMC President:
> > - Francis Tyers
> > - Tino Didriksen
> >
> > These have volunteered for being the election board:
> > - Sevilay Bayatlı
> > - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> > - Daniel Swanson
> >
> > If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
> > And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
> > in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid
> needing
> > to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
> > run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
> >
> > Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
> we
> > should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> > everyone.
> >
> > -- Tino Didriksen
> >
> >
>
> Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for having
> each
> of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if the
> actual
> PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them decides
> to
> declare the results without running the election, I would not find it
> stupid.
>
> But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find that
> very strange.
>
> In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are called
> to
> stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home later
> every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at home
> children
> who don't go to school.
>
> Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.
>
> In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils and
> students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers are
> called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them some
> work.
>
> For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are called to
> stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.
>
> So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day for
> working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing
> (certainly
> in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.
>
> For a free software developer, using a computer and Internet is nothing
> new.
>
> Participating to the PMC election, for people who just vote, that will mean
> receiving 2 or 3 emails, and sending one email for voting.
>
> That is not a big work and doing that when moving every day to the working
> ou studing place or when staying at home will not change a lot.
>
> And as I said earlier, having to stay at home may even give more free time.
>
> If there was hundred of million peoples in the world ill due to covid-19
> at the same time (5 % of the world population or more), that would be a
> valuable reason to postpone this election. But we are very very far from
> it, and in an Apertium PMC election, there are generally only around 30
> persons voting.
>
>
> 
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Also, a pseudonym seems to be ok, but would it be preferable to have a real
name?

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:39 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the pandemic.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:37 Hèctor Alòs i Font 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much, Tino, for the lists. I've been busy this week, but
>> it is time for the election board to control the list of electors you
>> created and establish a calendar. I agree, it can make sense to wait a few
>> weeks because of the pandemia. The problem is that probably the peak has
>> been reached in a few countries, but not for the vast majority of them. So
>> a couple of weeks seems good for e.g. China and Italy, but nobody knows
>> which will be the situation then in e.g. Spain, USA, Russia or India. At
>> least the last three would not have yet reached the peak. So, if we decide
>> to wait because of coronavirus, I don't think it'd be for two weeks, but, I
>> fear, it would be more probably for a couple of months...
>> Hèctor
>>
>> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dv., 13 de
>> març 2020 a les 0:22:
>>
>>> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
>>> - Jonathan Washington
>>> - Francis Tyers
>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>>> - Tanmai Khanna
>>> - Xavi Ivars
>>> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>>>
>>> These are standing for PMC President:
>>> - Francis Tyers
>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>> These have volunteered for being the election board:
>>> - Sevilay Bayatlı
>>> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
>>> - Daniel Swanson
>>>
>>> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7
>>> members. And then the election would be simply to determine who is the
>>> president - in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply
>>> avoid needing to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that
>>> we need to run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
>>> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:22, Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm also interested on running for the PMC.
>>>>
>>>> Should we try to establish some dates?
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the pandemic.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:37 Hèctor Alòs i Font  wrote:

> Thank you very much, Tino, for the lists. I've been busy this week, but it
> is time for the election board to control the list of electors you created
> and establish a calendar. I agree, it can make sense to wait a few weeks
> because of the pandemia. The problem is that probably the peak has been
> reached in a few countries, but not for the vast majority of them. So a
> couple of weeks seems good for e.g. China and Italy, but nobody knows which
> will be the situation then in e.g. Spain, USA, Russia or India. At least
> the last three would not have yet reached the peak. So, if we decide to
> wait because of coronavirus, I don't think it'd be for two weeks, but, I
> fear, it would be more probably for a couple of months...
> Hèctor
>
> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dv., 13 de
> març 2020 a les 0:22:
>
>> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
>> - Jonathan Washington
>> - Francis Tyers
>> - Tino Didriksen
>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>> - Tanmai Khanna
>> - Xavi Ivars
>> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>>
>> These are standing for PMC President:
>> - Francis Tyers
>> - Tino Didriksen
>>
>> These have volunteered for being the election board:
>> - Sevilay Bayatlı
>> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
>> - Daniel Swanson
>>
>> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
>> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
>> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
>> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
>> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>>
>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
>> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>> everyone.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:22, Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also interested on running for the PMC.
>>>
>>> Should we try to establish some dates?
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Oh, okay, that makes sense.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:50 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> Many of us have kids or families who have been sent home, so there's a
> bunch of extra offline stuff and stress to suddenly spend energy on. Our
> countries or states have effectively been shut down for at least 2 weeks.
> Apertium can wait, if needed.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 22:38, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Since Apertium is all online, how would covid affect it?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:22 Tino Didriksen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
>>> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>>> everyone.
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Since Apertium is all online, how would covid affect it?

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:22 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> - Jonathan Washington
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> - Tanmai Khanna
> - Xavi Ivars
> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>
> These are standing for PMC President:
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
>
> These have volunteered for being the election board:
> - Sevilay Bayatlı
> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> - Daniel Swanson
>
> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>
> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> everyone.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:22, Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>
>> I'm also interested on running for the PMC.
>>
>> Should we try to establish some dates?
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

When I run, will I be allowed to vote (for myself)?

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 19:12 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> What repos do you do the most in? You'll need to ask for write access to
> at least one.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:55 PM AJ  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I
>> am a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Ayush Jain
>> IRC nick: ayushjain
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 5:35 PM Tino Didriksen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
>>> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>>>
>>> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
>>> which 308 have emails.
>>>
>>> I have also merged everything into
>>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

What repos do you do the most in? You'll need to ask for write access to at
least one.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:55 PM AJ  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I
> am a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
>
> Thank you
>
> Ayush Jain
> IRC nick: ayushjain
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 5:35 PM Tino Didriksen 
> wrote:
>
>> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
>> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>>
>> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
>> which 308 have emails.
>>
>> I have also merged everything into
>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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Also, is it okay to be on the PMC with a pseudonyn?

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 08:12 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> Absolutely - everyone should double-check my work, but especially the
> election committee.
>
> Problem is that not everyone has access to
> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - only org admins
> do. So I went through that, and in the process merged other sources anyway.
>
> The few I did not include in the spreadsheet from
> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators are the ones who
> exclusively have access to https://github.com/apertium/courses-esudh -
> they're in authors.json section 20 with prefix _COURSE_ - but they don't
> have available emails or names anyway.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 16:50, Jonathan Washington <
> jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And since
>> - Tino's running for president, and
>> - taking a census like this is technically the election committee's
>> responsibility (I believe),
>>
>> The election committee should probably verify Tino's work.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan
>>
>> пт, 6 мар. 2020 г. в 07:05, Tino Didriksen :
>>
>>> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
>>> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>>>
>>> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
>>> which 308 have emails.
>>>
>>> I have also merged everything into
>>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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I'd rather not give out my real name.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 09:47 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Also, is it okay to be on the PMC with a pseudonyn?
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 08:12 Tino Didriksen  wrote:
>
>> Absolutely - everyone should double-check my work, but especially the
>> election committee.
>>
>> Problem is that not everyone has access to
>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - only org admins
>> do. So I went through that, and in the process merged other sources anyway.
>>
>> The few I did not include in the spreadsheet from
>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators are the ones who
>> exclusively have access to https://github.com/apertium/courses-esudh -
>> they're in authors.json section 20 with prefix _COURSE_ - but they don't
>> have available emails or names anyway.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 16:50, Jonathan Washington <
>> jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And since
>>> - Tino's running for president, and
>>> - taking a census like this is technically the election committee's
>>> responsibility (I believe),
>>>
>>> The election committee should probably verify Tino's work.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> пт, 6 мар. 2020 г. в 07:05, Tino Didriksen :
>>>
>>>> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
>>>> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>>>>
>>>> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
>>>> which 308 have emails.
>>>>
>>>> I have also merged everything into
>>>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>>>
>>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

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Sending it as .odt would be great.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 07:27 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> Then how should I send the file. I don't know if there is anyone to mentor
> this since this is not from the list of ideas mentioned .
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 20:49 Francis Tyers  wrote:
>
>> El 2020-03-06 08:40, Rajarshi Roychoudhury escribió:
>> > Hi,
>> > I have written my idea in the file attached . It is just the idea ,
>> > not the project proposal . Kindly read the idea and give feedback on
>> > whether this can be a feasible GSoC project.
>> > Best,
>> > Rajarshi
>>
>> Please do not use proprietary formats for attachments to this mailing
>> list.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Francis M. Tyers
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC-2020

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It needs to be rule based.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 12:06 Himanshu choudhary <
himanshuchoudhary_bt2...@dtu.ac.in> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just want to ask can't we use Neural machine translation or unsupervised
> machine translation rather than rule-based learning for the task "Apertium
> English--Hausa/Igbo/Swahili/Tigrinya/Yoruba". As I got some open-source
> data for some of these languages and I believe neural machine translation
> can produce better results and also we don't need to have a knowledge of
> the morphology and grammar of that particular language as it is very rare
> that some developer has the knowledge of these languages. Please let me
> know if I can proceed with it or I have to apply rule-based learning. so
> that I can move forward.
>
> Thank you
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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You could at least be a backup member.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 10:19 Daniel Swanson 
wrote:

> If another person is needed to help run the election, I could probably do
> that.
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:58 PM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose
>> that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for
>> each.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain
>>> exactly what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I
>>> have no interest in standing for the PMC.
>>> Hèctor
>>>
>>> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dj., 5 de
>>> març 2020 a les 12:07:
>>>
>>>> Replied inline...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of
>>>> people who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the
>>>> strict interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have
>>>> never been strictly enforced or followed.
>>>>
>>>> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be
>>>> realistic this time.
>>>>
>>>> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in
>>>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because
>>>> if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30
>>>> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure.
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose
that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for
each.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font  wrote:

> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly
> what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no
> interest in standing for the PMC.
> Hèctor
>
> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dj., 5 de
> març 2020 a les 12:07:
>
>> Replied inline...
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>
>>> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
>>>
>>
>> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people
>> who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict
>> interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never
>> been strictly enforced or followed.
>>
>> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be
>> realistic this time.
>>
>> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in
>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because
>> if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30
>> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:49 PM Tanmai Khanna 
wrote:

> I know it’s probably intuitive that people who help conduct the election
> wouldn’t be eligible to stand for elections, but since this is a relatively
> small group and the elections can be held with transparency, I was
> wondering if I could still apply to be a part of the PMC.
>
> I volunteered to help conduct it since it didn’t seem like we had anyone
> to conduct it but if other people are available and helping conduct it
> would make it so I cannot stand for elections, I’d rather stand to be a
> part of the PMC.
>
> Thanks
> Tanmai
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 05-Mar-2020, at 09:07, Sevilay Bayatlı 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I help to run the election.
>
> Sevilay
>
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, 06:15 Tanmai Khanna,  wrote:
>
>> I volunteer to help conduct the election.
>>
>> Tanmai
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 05-Mar-2020, at 02:40, Diogo  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not
>> eligible to vote according to those lists is quite ironic
>>
>> A quarta, 4/03/2020, 22:01, Tino Didriksen 
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
>>> election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
>>>
>>> Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
>>> the PMC.
>>>
>>> For a census of those eligible to vote,
>>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>> (sections 1, 20, and 25) plus
>>> https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
>>> will serve with minimal editing.
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>>
 Dear all,

 (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
 article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
 Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
 last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.

 (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with
 one substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this
 board, preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election.
 I would appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and
 one of them led the process.

 (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
 about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
 last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
 who is more active to chair the PMC.

 (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium
 account(s), one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC
 to open a new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating
 the reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].

 All the best,

 Mikel


 [1]
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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I'm running.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 13:01 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
> election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
>
> Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
> the PMC.
>
> For a census of those eligible to vote,
> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
> (sections 1, 20, and 25) plus
> https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
> will serve with minimal editing.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
>> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
>> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
>> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>>
>> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with
>> one substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this
>> board, preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election.
>> I would appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and
>> one of them led the process.
>>
>> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
>> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
>> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
>> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>>
>> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s),
>> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a
>> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the
>> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> --
>> Mikel L. Forcada  http://www.dlsi.ua.es/~mlf/
>> Departament de Llenguatges i Sistemes Informàtics
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

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So, "Watch out!" Could become "Be careful"?

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 10:13 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> It is not just about  minimizing loss of sentiment , it is about using
> that information for better translation. A very trivial example would be
> that for some situations , sentences can project a strong sentiment and
> simple translation may not always yield the best result. However if we can
> use the knowledge of the sentiment to choose the words , it might give
> better result.
>
> As far as the codes are concerned, I need to study the source code , or a
> detailed documentation for proposing a feasible solution.
>
> Best,
> Rajarshi
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 23:21 Tino Didriksen  wrote:
>
>> My first question would be, is this actually a problem for rule-based
>> machine translation? I am not a linguist, but given how RBMT works I can't
>> really see where sentiment would be lost in the process, especially
>> because Apertium is designed for related languages where sentiment is
>> mostly the same. But even for less related languages, it would be down to
>> the quality of the source language analysis.
>>
>> Beyond that, please learn how Apertium specifically works, not just RBMT
>> in general. http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Documentation is a good start,
>> but our IRC channel is the best place to ask technical questions.
>>
>> One major issue specific to Apertium is that the source information is no
>> longer available in the target generation step.
>>
>> E.g., since you mention English-Hindi, you could install apertium-eng-hin
>> and see how each part of the pipe works. We have precompiled binaries
>> common platforms. Again, see wiki and IRC.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 08:16, Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Formally i present my idea in this form:
>>> From my understanding of RBMT ,
>>>
>>> The RBMT system contains:
>>>
>>>- a *SL morphological analyser* - analyses a source language word
>>>and provides the morphological information;
>>>- a *SL parser* - is a syntax analyser which analyses source
>>>language sentences;
>>>- a *translator* - used to translate a source language word into the
>>>target language;
>>>- a *TL morphological generator* - works as a generator of
>>>appropriate target language words for the given grammatica information;
>>>- a *TL parser* - works as a composer of suitable target language
>>>sentences
>>>
>>> I propose a 6th component of the RBMT system: *sentiment based TL
>>> morphological generator*
>>>
>>> I propose that we do word level sentiment analysis of the source
>>> language and targeted language. For the time being i want to work on
>>> English-Hindi translation. We do not need a neural network based
>>> translation, however for getting the sentiment associated with each word we
>>> might use nltk,or develop a character level embedding to just find out the
>>> sentiment assosiated with each word,and form a dictionary out of it.I have
>>> written a paper on it,and received good results.So basically,during the
>>> final application development we will just have the dictionary,with no
>>> neural network dependencies. This  can easily be done with Python.I just
>>> need a good corpus of English and Hindi words(the sentiment datasets are
>>> available online).
>>>
>>> The *sentiment based TL morphological generator *will generate the list
>>> of possible words,and we will take that word whose sentiment is closest to
>>> the source language word.
>>> This is a novel method that has probably not been applied before, and
>>> might generate better results.
>>>
>>> Please provide your valuable feedwork and suggest some necessary changes
>>> that needs to be made.
>>> Best,
>>> Rajarshi
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

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Oh okay. That should be fine.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 08:24 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> No I just need python to get the result, which can be written in a text
> file and read using c++. It won't depend on python.
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 21:52 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Oh, okay. So Python would not be needed at runtime?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 08:20 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just need to write the dictionary I would get in python in a file and
>>> read it using c++. I guess I can use a map to solve my purpose.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 21:40 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe it must use C++, so nltk won't work.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 23:17 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Formally i present my idea in this form:
>>>>> From my understanding of RBMT ,
>>>>>
>>>>> The RBMT system contains:
>>>>>
>>>>>- a *SL morphological analyser* - analyses a source language word
>>>>>and provides the morphological information;
>>>>>- a *SL parser* - is a syntax analyser which analyses source
>>>>>language sentences;
>>>>>- a *translator* - used to translate a source language word into
>>>>>the target language;
>>>>>- a *TL morphological generator* - works as a generator of
>>>>>appropriate target language words for the given grammatica information;
>>>>>- a *TL parser* - works as a composer of suitable target language
>>>>>sentences
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose a 6th component of the RBMT system: *sentiment based TL
>>>>> morphological generator*
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose that we do word level sentiment analysis of the source
>>>>> language and targeted language. For the time being i want to work on
>>>>> English-Hindi translation. We do not need a neural network based
>>>>> translation, however for getting the sentiment associated with each word 
>>>>> we
>>>>> might use nltk,or develop a character level embedding to just find out the
>>>>> sentiment assosiated with each word,and form a dictionary out of it.I have
>>>>> written a paper on it,and received good results.So basically,during the
>>>>> final application development we will just have the dictionary,with no
>>>>> neural network dependencies. This  can easily be done with Python.I just
>>>>> need a good corpus of English and Hindi words(the sentiment datasets are
>>>>> available online).
>>>>>
>>>>> The *sentiment based TL morphological generator *will generate the
>>>>> list of possible words,and we will take that word whose sentiment is
>>>>> closest to the source language word.
>>>>> This is a novel method that has probably not been applied before, and
>>>>> might generate better results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide your valuable feedwork and suggest some necessary
>>>>> changes that needs to be made.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rajarshi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Scoop Gracie 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is absolutely fine to use languages you are most comfortable with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 22:18 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to study more about RBMT to develop an idea of how to
>>>>>>> preserve sentiment while translating, which I think can increase the
>>>>>>> efficiency of translation. It will also help my research , thank you so
>>>>>>> much for suggesting it. Also, will it be okay if I work on languages I 
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> comfortable with? Say English-Bengali or Hindi-Bengali
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 11:30 Scoop Gracie 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it is worth looking into, it is just that anything that
>>>>>>>> needs a neural network is not possible. I'm sure sentiment translation 
>>>>>>

Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

[Scoop Gracie]

Oh, okay. So Python would not be needed at runtime?

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 08:20 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> I just need to write the dictionary I would get in python in a file and
> read it using c++. I guess I can use a map to solve my purpose.
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 21:40 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> I believe it must use C++, so nltk won't work.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 23:17 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Formally i present my idea in this form:
>>> From my understanding of RBMT ,
>>>
>>> The RBMT system contains:
>>>
>>>- a *SL morphological analyser* - analyses a source language word
>>>and provides the morphological information;
>>>- a *SL parser* - is a syntax analyser which analyses source
>>>language sentences;
>>>- a *translator* - used to translate a source language word into the
>>>target language;
>>>- a *TL morphological generator* - works as a generator of
>>>appropriate target language words for the given grammatica information;
>>>- a *TL parser* - works as a composer of suitable target language
>>>sentences
>>>
>>> I propose a 6th component of the RBMT system: *sentiment based TL
>>> morphological generator*
>>>
>>> I propose that we do word level sentiment analysis of the source
>>> language and targeted language. For the time being i want to work on
>>> English-Hindi translation. We do not need a neural network based
>>> translation, however for getting the sentiment associated with each word we
>>> might use nltk,or develop a character level embedding to just find out the
>>> sentiment assosiated with each word,and form a dictionary out of it.I have
>>> written a paper on it,and received good results.So basically,during the
>>> final application development we will just have the dictionary,with no
>>> neural network dependencies. This  can easily be done with Python.I just
>>> need a good corpus of English and Hindi words(the sentiment datasets are
>>> available online).
>>>
>>> The *sentiment based TL morphological generator *will generate the list
>>> of possible words,and we will take that word whose sentiment is closest to
>>> the source language word.
>>> This is a novel method that has probably not been applied before, and
>>> might generate better results.
>>>
>>> Please provide your valuable feedwork and suggest some necessary changes
>>> that needs to be made.
>>> Best,
>>> Rajarshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is absolutely fine to use languages you are most comfortable with.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 22:18 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I need to study more about RBMT to develop an idea of how to preserve
>>>>> sentiment while translating, which I think can increase the efficiency of
>>>>> translation. It will also help my research , thank you so much for
>>>>> suggesting it. Also, will it be okay if I work on languages I am
>>>>> comfortable with? Say English-Bengali or Hindi-Bengali
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 11:30 Scoop Gracie 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is worth looking into, it is just that anything that needs
>>>>>> a neural network is not possible. I'm sure sentiment translation is
>>>>>> possible in RBMT too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:58 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok,then I wont pursue this idea and will look for one in the idea
>>>>>>> list .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 11:10, Scoop Gracie 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main problem is that I don't believe there is a way to send
>>>>>>>> information down the pipeline without breaking stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:37 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>>>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for the feedb

Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

[Scoop Gracie]

I believe it must use C++, so nltk won't work.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 23:17 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> Formally i present my idea in this form:
> From my understanding of RBMT ,
>
> The RBMT system contains:
>
>- a *SL morphological analyser* - analyses a source language word and
>provides the morphological information;
>- a *SL parser* - is a syntax analyser which analyses source language
>sentences;
>- a *translator* - used to translate a source language word into the
>target language;
>- a *TL morphological generator* - works as a generator of appropriate
>target language words for the given grammatica information;
>- a *TL parser* - works as a composer of suitable target language
>sentences
>
> I propose a 6th component of the RBMT system: *sentiment based TL
> morphological generator*
>
> I propose that we do word level sentiment analysis of the source language
> and targeted language. For the time being i want to work on English-Hindi
> translation. We do not need a neural network based translation, however for
> getting the sentiment associated with each word we might use nltk,or
> develop a character level embedding to just find out the sentiment
> assosiated with each word,and form a dictionary out of it.I have written a
> paper on it,and received good results.So basically,during the final
> application development we will just have the dictionary,with no neural
> network dependencies. This  can easily be done with Python.I just need a
> good corpus of English and Hindi words(the sentiment datasets are available
> online).
>
> The *sentiment based TL morphological generator *will generate the list
> of possible words,and we will take that word whose sentiment is closest to
> the source language word.
> This is a novel method that has probably not been applied before, and
> might generate better results.
>
> Please provide your valuable feedwork and suggest some necessary changes
> that needs to be made.
> Best,
> Rajarshi
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> It is absolutely fine to use languages you are most comfortable with.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 22:18 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to study more about RBMT to develop an idea of how to preserve
>>> sentiment while translating, which I think can increase the efficiency of
>>> translation. It will also help my research , thank you so much for
>>> suggesting it. Also, will it be okay if I work on languages I am
>>> comfortable with? Say English-Bengali or Hindi-Bengali
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 11:30 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it is worth looking into, it is just that anything that needs a
>>>> neural network is not possible. I'm sure sentiment translation is possible
>>>> in RBMT too.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:58 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok,then I wont pursue this idea and will look for one in the idea list
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 11:10, Scoop Gracie 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The main problem is that I don't believe there is a way to send
>>>>>> information down the pipeline without breaking stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:37 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you so much for the feedback,i will try to think of any other
>>>>>>> way of doing this without using neural networks or propose a new project
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Apertium_for_Dummies#The_units_of_translation
>>>>>>> is an excellent starting point for beginners, however it would be very
>>>>>>> helpful if you could give an example of the rule based translators as
>>>>>>> mentioned in the link.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Rajarshi Roychoudhury
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Scoop Gracie 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not an expert in this, but given the non-neural nature of
>>>>>>>> Apertium, this does not seem feasible to me, at least in the way you
>>>>>>>> described.
>>>>>>>>
>>&g

Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

[Scoop Gracie]

It is absolutely fine to use languages you are most comfortable with.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 22:18 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> I need to study more about RBMT to develop an idea of how to preserve
> sentiment while translating, which I think can increase the efficiency of
> translation. It will also help my research , thank you so much for
> suggesting it. Also, will it be okay if I work on languages I am
> comfortable with? Say English-Bengali or Hindi-Bengali
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 11:30 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> I think it is worth looking into, it is just that anything that needs a
>> neural network is not possible. I'm sure sentiment translation is possible
>> in RBMT too.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:58 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok,then I wont pursue this idea and will look for one in the idea list .
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 11:10, Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The main problem is that I don't believe there is a way to send
>>>> information down the pipeline without breaking stuff.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:37 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for the feedback,i will try to think of any other
>>>>> way of doing this without using neural networks or propose a new project
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Apertium_for_Dummies#The_units_of_translation
>>>>> is an excellent starting point for beginners, however it would be very
>>>>> helpful if you could give an example of the rule based translators as
>>>>> mentioned in the link.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rajarshi Roychoudhury
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Scoop Gracie 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not an expert in this, but given the non-neural nature of
>>>>>> Apertium, this does not seem feasible to me, at least in the way you
>>>>>> described.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:02 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I am Rajarshi Roychoudhury,a second year undergraduate student at
>>>>>>> Jadavpur University,Kolkata,India.I have done many projects in Natural
>>>>>>> Language Processing,mainly focussing on sentiment analysis and machine
>>>>>>> translation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of the machine translation have no explicit preservation on the
>>>>>>> sentiment of the original sentence,as a result a lot of information is 
>>>>>>> lost
>>>>>>> during translation,or else it gives an inaccurate translation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My idea is to incorporate an information about the sentiment of the
>>>>>>> sentence in the hidden layers of the encoder and then send it to a
>>>>>>> decoder.I am writing currently a paper on this topic,and hopefully can
>>>>>>> incorporate my idea into Apertium translation system.Since it is an open
>>>>>>> source project,it will be the best platform to reach to people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kindly give feedback on whether this can be a possible project
>>>>>>> idea,and if you have any queries on the same.Attached is my resume.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Rajarshi Roychoudhury
>>>>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

[Scoop Gracie]

I think it is worth looking into, it is just that anything that needs a
neural network is not possible. I'm sure sentiment translation is possible
in RBMT too.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:58 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> Ok,then I wont pursue this idea and will look for one in the idea list .
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 11:10, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> The main problem is that I don't believe there is a way to send
>> information down the pipeline without breaking stuff.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:37 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you so much for the feedback,i will try to think of any other way
>>> of doing this without using neural networks or propose a new project
>>>
>>> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Apertium_for_Dummies#The_units_of_translation
>>> is an excellent starting point for beginners, however it would be very
>>> helpful if you could give an example of the rule based translators as
>>> mentioned in the link.
>>> Best,
>>> Rajarshi Roychoudhury
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not an expert in this, but given the non-neural nature of Apertium,
>>>> this does not seem feasible to me, at least in the way you described.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:02 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>>>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am Rajarshi Roychoudhury,a second year undergraduate student at
>>>>> Jadavpur University,Kolkata,India.I have done many projects in Natural
>>>>> Language Processing,mainly focussing on sentiment analysis and machine
>>>>> translation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the machine translation have no explicit preservation on the
>>>>> sentiment of the original sentence,as a result a lot of information is 
>>>>> lost
>>>>> during translation,or else it gives an inaccurate translation.
>>>>>
>>>>> My idea is to incorporate an information about the sentiment of the
>>>>> sentence in the hidden layers of the encoder and then send it to a
>>>>> decoder.I am writing currently a paper on this topic,and hopefully can
>>>>> incorporate my idea into Apertium translation system.Since it is an open
>>>>> source project,it will be the best platform to reach to people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindly give feedback on whether this can be a possible project
>>>>> idea,and if you have any queries on the same.Attached is my resume.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rajarshi Roychoudhury
>>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

[Scoop Gracie]

The main problem is that I don't believe there is a way to send information
down the pipeline without breaking stuff.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:37 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> Thank you so much for the feedback,i will try to think of any other way of
> doing this without using neural networks or propose a new project
> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Apertium_for_Dummies#The_units_of_translation
> is an excellent starting point for beginners, however it would be very
> helpful if you could give an example of the rule based translators as
> mentioned in the link.
> Best,
> Rajarshi Roychoudhury
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> I'm not an expert in this, but given the non-neural nature of Apertium,
>> this does not seem feasible to me, at least in the way you described.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:02 Rajarshi Roychoudhury <
>> rroychoudhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am Rajarshi Roychoudhury,a second year undergraduate student at
>>> Jadavpur University,Kolkata,India.I have done many projects in Natural
>>> Language Processing,mainly focussing on sentiment analysis and machine
>>> translation.
>>>
>>> Most of the machine translation have no explicit preservation on the
>>> sentiment of the original sentence,as a result a lot of information is lost
>>> during translation,or else it gives an inaccurate translation.
>>>
>>> My idea is to incorporate an information about the sentiment of the
>>> sentence in the hidden layers of the encoder and then send it to a
>>> decoder.I am writing currently a paper on this topic,and hopefully can
>>> incorporate my idea into Apertium translation system.Since it is an open
>>> source project,it will be the best platform to reach to people.
>>>
>>> Kindly give feedback on whether this can be a possible project idea,and
>>> if you have any queries on the same.Attached is my resume.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rajarshi Roychoudhury
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSOC 2020 idea

[Scoop Gracie]

I'm not an expert in this, but given the non-neural nature of Apertium,
this does not seem feasible to me, at least in the way you described.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:02 Rajarshi Roychoudhury 
wrote:

> Hi,
> I am Rajarshi Roychoudhury,a second year undergraduate student at Jadavpur
> University,Kolkata,India.I have done many projects in Natural Language
> Processing,mainly focussing on sentiment analysis and machine translation.
>
> Most of the machine translation have no explicit preservation on the
> sentiment of the original sentence,as a result a lot of information is lost
> during translation,or else it gives an inaccurate translation.
>
> My idea is to incorporate an information about the sentiment of the
> sentence in the hidden layers of the encoder and then send it to a
> decoder.I am writing currently a paper on this topic,and hopefully can
> incorporate my idea into Apertium translation system.Since it is an open
> source project,it will be the best platform to reach to people.
>
> Kindly give feedback on whether this can be a possible project idea,and if
> you have any queries on the same.Attached is my resume.
>
> Best,
> Rajarshi Roychoudhury
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

I have requested write access on IRC, but never got an answer.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 10:09 Juan Pablo  wrote:

> Rather than ammending the bylaws, wouldn't it be simpler that you (and any
> others that may feel sidelined) file a request to the PMC asking to be
> granted committer status? According to bylaw 11, this is what you need:
>
> *Bylaw 11. Committer access is received by committing code and getting
> sponsorship by two existing Committers, a nominator and a seconder. Upon
> fulfillment of these conditions, a PMC member will give write access.*
>
> Best,
> Juan Pablo
>
> On 26/02/2020 18:09, Scoop Gracie wrote:
>
> May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>
> Amend Bylaw 5: "The project's Committers are responsible for the
> project's technical management. Committers are developers who have write
> access to the project's source repositories, or who have contributed code
> to Apertium in any meaningful and significant way in the past six months.
> Committers may cast binding votes on any technical discussion regarding the
> project."
> Amend Bylaw 23.G: "After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census
> of Committers with right to vote will be published by the Election Board.
> Only Committers with email addresses known to the current PMC or the
> Election Board will be allowed to vote."
>
> This would include all PR contributors, as well as devs with write access.
> It would also ensure that only devs we can contact are included.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:04 AM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have
>> write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even though
>> I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other devs (who get
>> to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in
>>> which casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through PRs
>>> in a sustained way, they should be named committers.
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>>
>>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>>
>>> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
>>> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
>>> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>>>> without reference to SF.
>>>>
>>>> Mikel
>>>>
>>>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>>>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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If it is fair, I'm fine with it, it just doesn't make sense to me.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:56 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> So it seems fair that an arbitrary (at least IMO) requirement is placed on
> voters?
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:55 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Okay, I have asked for write access on the phenny repo and have never
>> received it.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:33 Saurabh Rai  wrote:
>>
>>> The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
>>>> the by-laws don't specify clearly).
>>>>
>>>> Mikel
>>>>
>>>> El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>>> > May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Spain
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>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

So it seems fair that an arbitrary (at least IMO) requirement is placed on
voters?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:55 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Okay, I have asked for write access on the phenny repo and have never
> received it.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:33 Saurabh Rai  wrote:
>
>> The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
>>> the by-laws don't specify clearly).
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>> El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>> > May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Okay, I have asked for write access on the phenny repo and have never
received it.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:33 Saurabh Rai  wrote:

> The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
>> the by-laws don't specify clearly).
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>> > May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?

Amend Bylaw 5: "The project's Committers are responsible for the project's
technical management. Committers are developers who have write access to
the project's source repositories, or who have contributed code to Apertium
in any meaningful and significant way in the past six months. Committers
may cast binding votes on any technical discussion regarding the project."
Amend Bylaw 23.G: "After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census of
Committers with right to vote will be published by the Election Board. Only
Committers with email addresses known to the current PMC or the Election
Board will be allowed to vote."

This would include all PR contributors, as well as devs with write access.
It would also ensure that only devs we can contact are included.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:04 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have
> write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even though
> I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other devs (who get
> to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in
>> which casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through PRs
>> in a sustained way, they should be named committers.
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>
>> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
>> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
>> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>>> without reference to SF.
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have
write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even though
I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other devs (who get
to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in which
> casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through PRs in a
> sustained way, they should be named committers.
>
> Mikel
>
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>
> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>> without reference to SF.
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

What I'm saying is, Bylaw 5 is still in effect, but is now unfair, due to
the move to GitHub. I think we should either have a PMC vote before this
election to revise Bylaw 5, or simply ignore it.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:59 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> At least to me, it seems unfair that some contributors should be excluded.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:57 AM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
>> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
>> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>>> without reference to SF.
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

At least to me, it seems unfair that some contributors should be excluded.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:57 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>> without reference to SF.
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>
>> --
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
they have contributed significantly to Apertium.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
> without reference to SF.
>
> Mikel
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

So a PR is not sufficient?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:50 AM Jonathan Washington <
jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed, that seems pretty clear.  But that's not how it works in reality.
>
> That is, the primary maintainers of specific repositories give other
> people write access, not the PMC.  E.g., when I give someone access to a
> Turkic translation pair, it's not because I'm on the PMC, but because I'm a
> maintainer of that pair.  I think the by-laws should probably be revised to
> reflect a more realistic workflow.
>
> Also, PMC members can certainly be pinged to give access, but does it
> require a vote?  Does it require some research and/or checking with the
> repo's primary maintainers?  (PMC members are not usually aware of the
> social history of everyone seeking to contribute to any given language
> pair, for example.)
>
> --
> Jonathan
>
> ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:25, Mikel L. Forcada :
>
>> I think this is well defined:
>>
>> "18 The responsibilities of the Project Management Committee include
>> […]
>> Giving access rights to new Committers.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:22, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
>>
>> That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status in
>> the bylaws, and maybe for use of a definition for the election, but it also
>> raises a few questions:
>>
>> - How do we decide who's a member of the GitHub org?
>> - How do we decide who has write access to an Apertium repo?
>>
>> These are decided somewhat arbitrarily at this point.
>>
>> Also, people decide not to include their email address on their GitHub
>> profile for various reasons (though often don't take the care the mask it
>> in their commit history).  I understand where you're going with this,
>> though—and I think it's better stated the other way around: "for purposes
>> of being contacted for voting, a committer's email address should be known
>> to the PMC; they cannot expect to receive a ballot if they do not either
>> have an email address posted on their GitHub profile or are a member of the
>> apertium-stuff mailing list."
>>
>> Actually, though, admin access to the manage the apertium-stuff mailing
>> list has been lost, iirc, so that might be problematic too.  We could
>> potentially work something out with sourceforge to regain access though?
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan
>>
>> ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:03, Scoop Gracie :
>>
>>> Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
>>> * All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
>>> ApertiumBot/begiak),
>>> * Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
>>> * Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
>>> Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on
>>> his/her GitHub profile.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, so it sounds like I can run.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much
>>>>>> of a time commitment is this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13
>>>>> - that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to
>>>>> comply with contract laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less
>>>>> than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium
>>>>> isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who have
submitted PRs be equally eligible?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:25 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> I think this is well defined:
>
> "18 The responsibilities of the Project Management Committee include
> […]
> Giving access rights to new Committers.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mikel
>
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 17:22, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
>
> That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status in
> the bylaws, and maybe for use of a definition for the election, but it also
> raises a few questions:
>
> - How do we decide who's a member of the GitHub org?
> - How do we decide who has write access to an Apertium repo?
>
> These are decided somewhat arbitrarily at this point.
>
> Also, people decide not to include their email address on their GitHub
> profile for various reasons (though often don't take the care the mask it
> in their commit history).  I understand where you're going with this,
> though—and I think it's better stated the other way around: "for purposes
> of being contacted for voting, a committer's email address should be known
> to the PMC; they cannot expect to receive a ballot if they do not either
> have an email address posted on their GitHub profile or are a member of the
> apertium-stuff mailing list."
>
> Actually, though, admin access to the manage the apertium-stuff mailing
> list has been lost, iirc, so that might be problematic too.  We could
> potentially work something out with sourceforge to regain access though?
>
> --
> Jonathan
>
> ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:03, Scoop Gracie :
>
>> Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
>> * All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
>> ApertiumBot/begiak),
>> * Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
>> * Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
>> Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on
>> his/her GitHub profile.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so it sounds like I can run.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much
>>>>> of a time commitment is this?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13
>>>> - that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>>>>
>>>> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to
>>>> comply with contract laws.
>>>>
>>>> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less
>>>> than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium
>>>> isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>>>>
>>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
* All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
ApertiumBot/begiak),
* Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
* Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on his/her
GitHub profile.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Okay, so it sounds like I can run.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of
>>> a time commitment is this?
>>>
>>
>> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13 -
>> that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>>
>> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to comply
>> with contract laws.
>>
>> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less
>> than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium
>> isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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Okay, so it sounds like I can run.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of
>> a time commitment is this?
>>
>
> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13 -
> that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>
> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to comply
> with contract laws.
>
> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less than
> an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium isn't
> really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of a
time commitment is this?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 01:51 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>
> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with one
> substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this board,
> preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election. I would
> appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and one of
> them led the process.
>
> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>
> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s),
> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a
> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the
> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].
>
> All the best,
>
> Mikel
>
>
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
>
> --
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[Apertium-stuff] GCI Students Group

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All GCI students are invited to join the unofficial GCI 2019 Students Group!
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Idiom translation module

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Oh, ok. So basically, this would be a duplicate of -separable?

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:48 PM Daniel Swanson 
wrote:

> Apertium-separable matches phrases and combines them so that the
> dictionary can treat them as single words. It's called "separable" because
> these phrases do not have to be contiguous, so it can convert ^take$ ^the$
> ^trash$ ^out$ into something more like ^take# out$ ^the$ ^trash$.
>
> In your case, it could convert ^pig$ ^in$ ^a$ ^poke$ to ^pig# in# a# poke$
> which could then just be an entry in the bilingual dictionary with the
> other side being ^gato# por# liebre$.
>
> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Apertium-separable
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:09 PM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> What does -separable do?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:48 PM Daniel Swanson <
>> awesomeevildu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure we actually need a new module for this. It might be
>>> possible to deal with all of your examples using apertium-separable. And
>>> failing that, a transfer rule could be written for any particular idiom.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:15 PM Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've created a proposal for a new module.
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hdOAc-wyl3cwoSsv2M3dg8h_N_gphzkBOr_fPcg6Ss8/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Idiom translation module

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What does -separable do?

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:48 PM Daniel Swanson 
wrote:

> I'm not sure we actually need a new module for this. It might be possible
> to deal with all of your examples using apertium-separable. And failing
> that, a transfer rule could be written for any particular idiom.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:15 PM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> I've created a proposal for a new module.
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hdOAc-wyl3cwoSsv2M3dg8h_N_gphzkBOr_fPcg6Ss8/edit?usp=sharing
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[Apertium-stuff] Idiom translation module

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I've created a proposal for a new module.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hdOAc-wyl3cwoSsv2M3dg8h_N_gphzkBOr_fPcg6Ss8/edit?usp=sharing
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[Apertium-stuff] New About page for Apertium

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I've shared an item with you:

New About page for Apertium
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0d-V3g6omuTD4e-AQNKScNanQbqj31PKZPLFMpJ8n8/edit?usp=sharing=5e128268

It's not an attachment -- it's stored online. To open this item, just click  
the link above.


This is an idea for a rewritten About page on html-tools.
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] New site design

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Unhammer: no, not yet
Tyers: Where? on the repo? you need to run `gatsby develop` (after
installing gatsby as explained in it's docs) in the `apertium-site`
subdirectory of the repo.

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:27 AM Francis Tyers  wrote:

> El 2019-12-18 10:20, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer escribió:
> > Scoop Gracie 
> > čálii:
> >
> >> Please check out https://github.com/scoopgracie/apertium-site/! It is
> >> my
> >> new design for an Apertium site. It's a Gatsby
> >> <https://www.gatsbyjs.org/> app
> >> based on React. I haven't documented it yet, but a look at
> >> https://www.gatsbyjs.org/docs/ should show the basics. Thanks, and
> >> please
> >> submit PRs!
> >
> > Is it live anywhere for easy testing?
> >
> > __
>
>
> I get a 404...
>
> F.
>
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[Apertium-stuff] New site design

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Please check out https://github.com/scoopgracie/apertium-site/! It is my
new design for an Apertium site. It's a Gatsby  app
based on React. I haven't documented it yet, but a look at
https://www.gatsbyjs.org/docs/ should show the basics. Thanks, and please
submit PRs!

Disclaimer: This is not (yet) an official Apertium project.
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[Apertium-stuff] Questionnaire for GCI students

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2019 GCI students, please fill out https://forms.gle/okRo2n8AqXRHB8hY9.
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