Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/24/2018 07:33 PM, Seth Arnold wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 05:56:51AM -0400, Noah Davis wrote:
>> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
>> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
>> sides of the 'A's.
> 
> I like the red too; I prefer the cyan but that just might be a holdover
> from my BBS days.. I think my 'ideal' use of these icons would be cyan for
> nearly everything, and red in the i3bar or notification area when there's
> recent DENIED lines in my audit logs.
> 
> I think I prefer the symmetric split vs the 45 degree split but honestly
> they're both really sharp. :)
> 

Seth can you make your opinion known on the vote thread

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/25/2018 11:17 AM, Jamie Strandboge wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-05-25 at 06:52 -0700, John Johansen wrote:
>> On 05/25/2018 03:42 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
>>> On May 25, 2018 11:15 AM, John Johansen >> m> wrote:
>>>
 On 05/24/2018 02:35 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:

> On May 24, 2018 7:01 AM, Noah Davis noaha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.
>
> Thanks. I also wonder how it looks when colors are distributed
> like below:
>
> A/
>
> /A
>
> instead of:
>
> A|
>
>> A
>
> Maybe this can be put on vote on AppArmor summit?

 it certain can be put to a vote, but I must admit I am unsure
 what you mean by AppArmor summit
>>>
>>> Uhm, maybe it's OpenSuse summit then? That one where you are going
>>> to give two talks.
>>>
>>
>> ah yes, its the opensuse conference. Its not the right venue to vote
>> on this as not enough of the core apparmor community are at it. It
>> would be better to do it on the mailing list, set up on online poll,
>> or do it at our next monthly irc meeting
>>
> 
> I'm finding it difficult to follow the current status of what is being
> voted on. May I suggest when people are ready for a vote, to present 2-
> 3 (ideally 2) icons for people to vote on?
> 

yes, we can work on getting a clean post together on a new thread with
options to vote on.

currently their are 3 major variations (there are some minor tweaks as
well)

1. vertical (symmetric) divide

2. color distributed at an angle, with the angle matching the angle of
   the A's inner leg

3. color distributed at an angled, with the angle of the split at 45
   degrees.

in addition there has been discussion of what the default color used
on the website etc will be. This can be a 2nd point to vote on
separate from the basic form.

As Noah pointed the logo form and color may be changed by the theme
etc. I would expect for an indicator icon with a flag scheme we would
have a flat grey version of the logo. But we can still choose a
default color to use.

Currently we have a cyan and red version.

I will work with Noah to get a post together, in a new thread, that
makes the options obvious and easy to vote on.



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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Jamie Strandboge]

On Fri, 2018-05-25 at 06:52 -0700, John Johansen wrote:
> On 05/25/2018 03:42 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
> > On May 25, 2018 11:15 AM, John Johansen  > m> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 05/24/2018 02:35 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On May 24, 2018 7:01 AM, Noah Davis noaha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks. I also wonder how it looks when colors are distributed
> > > > like below:
> > > > 
> > > > A/
> > > > 
> > > > /A
> > > > 
> > > > instead of:
> > > > 
> > > > A|
> > > > 
> > > > > A
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe this can be put on vote on AppArmor summit?
> > > 
> > > it certain can be put to a vote, but I must admit I am unsure
> > > what you mean by AppArmor summit
> > 
> > Uhm, maybe it's OpenSuse summit then? That one where you are going
> > to give two talks.
> > 
> 
> ah yes, its the opensuse conference. Its not the right venue to vote
> on this as not enough of the core apparmor community are at it. It
> would be better to do it on the mailing list, set up on online poll,
> or do it at our next monthly irc meeting
> 

I'm finding it difficult to follow the current status of what is being
voted on. May I suggest when people are ready for a vote, to present 2-
3 (ideally 2) icons for people to vote on?

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/25/2018 03:42 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
> On May 25, 2018 11:15 AM, John Johansen  wrote:
> 
>> On 05/24/2018 02:35 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
>>
>>> On May 24, 2018 7:01 AM, Noah Davis noaha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.
>>>
>>> Thanks. I also wonder how it looks when colors are distributed like below:
>>>
>>> A/
>>>
>>> /A
>>>
>>> instead of:
>>>
>>> A|
>>>
>>> |A
>>>
>>> Maybe this can be put on vote on AppArmor summit?
>>
>> it certain can be put to a vote, but I must admit I am unsure what you mean 
>> by AppArmor summit
> 
> Uhm, maybe it's OpenSuse summit then? That one where you are going to give 
> two talks.
> 
ah yes, its the opensuse conference. Its not the right venue to vote on this as 
not enough of the core apparmor community are at it. It would be better to do 
it on the mailing list, set up on online poll, or do it at our next monthly irc 
meeting

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Jordan Glover]

On May 25, 2018 11:15 AM, John Johansen  wrote:

> On 05/24/2018 02:35 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
> 
> > On May 24, 2018 7:01 AM, Noah Davis noaha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.
> > 
> > Thanks. I also wonder how it looks when colors are distributed like below:
> > 
> > A/
> > 
> > /A
> > 
> > instead of:
> > 
> > A|
> > 
> > |A
> > 
> > Maybe this can be put on vote on AppArmor summit?
> 
> it certain can be put to a vote, but I must admit I am unsure what you mean 
> by AppArmor summit

Uhm, maybe it's OpenSuse summit then? That one where you are going to give two 
talks.

Jordan

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/24/2018 02:35 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
> On May 24, 2018 7:01 AM, Noah Davis  wrote:
> 
>> I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.
>>
> 
> Thanks. I also wonder how it looks when colors are distributed like below: 
> 
> A/
>  /A
> 
> instead of:
> 
> A|
>|A
> 
> Maybe this can be put on vote on AppArmor summit?
> 
it certain can be put to a vote, but I must admit I am unsure what you mean by 
AppArmor summit

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/24/2018 10:13 PM, John Johansen wrote:
> On 05/24/2018 07:33 PM, Seth Arnold wrote:
>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 05:56:51AM -0400, Noah Davis wrote:
>>> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
>>> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
>>> sides of the 'A's.
>>
>> I like the red too; I prefer the cyan but that just might be a holdover
>> from my BBS days.. I think my 'ideal' use of these icons would be cyan for
>> nearly everything, and red in the i3bar or notification area when there's
>> recent DENIED lines in my audit logs.
>>
> Oh interesting idea, using color to indicate status. We could potentially
> have another color for a warning state, eg. when policy doesn't load
> correctly.
> 
>> I think I prefer the symmetric split vs the 45 degree split but honestly
>> they're both really sharp. :)
>>
> Agreed, I prefer the symmetric split 
> 
well maybe not, I am finding now that I prefer the split that mirros the
inner side of the A's (not the 45 degree split)


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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/24/2018 10:47 PM, Noah Davis wrote:
> Unless you're shipping an official GUI application, it should really
> be up to application developers and icon theme authors what the
> functional icons look like. The point of this logo is to give artists
> a common starting point that can be adapted to their needs. When users
> see the shield with the mirrored 'A's, they should hopefully think
> "Ah, that must be AppArmor!" instead of having to wonder what some
> generic looking lock or shield icon means. Of course, it will likely

Sure, the color is going to get adapted depending on where it is used,
but it doesn't preclude the project from offering a couple of different
variations for them to start from. 

Eg. we should probably have a more monochromatic version that fits
in with the current flat colorless icon themes.


> take a while before this logo catches on and it might never if it
> isn't prominently displayed when people look for AppArmor on the
> internet.
> 
getting displayed on the internet shouldn't be a problem. If we adopt it,
it will be put up on the project pages, wiki, common criteria etc. We
could even submit some edits to the wikipedia article on apparmor.

We can also start using it in presentation etc. Yes it will take some
time but since we aren't replacing an existing branding (we don't
really have anything atm) I expect it will catch on fairly fast.


> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Seth Arnold  
> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 05:56:51AM -0400, Noah Davis wrote:
>>> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
>>> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
>>> sides of the 'A's.
>>
>> I like the red too; I prefer the cyan but that just might be a holdover
>> from my BBS days.. I think my 'ideal' use of these icons would be cyan for
>> nearly everything, and red in the i3bar or notification area when there's
>> recent DENIED lines in my audit logs.
>>
>> I think I prefer the symmetric split vs the 45 degree split but honestly
>> they're both really sharp. :)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Noah Davis]

Unless you're shipping an official GUI application, it should really
be up to application developers and icon theme authors what the
functional icons look like. The point of this logo is to give artists
a common starting point that can be adapted to their needs. When users
see the shield with the mirrored 'A's, they should hopefully think
"Ah, that must be AppArmor!" instead of having to wonder what some
generic looking lock or shield icon means. Of course, it will likely
take a while before this logo catches on and it might never if it
isn't prominently displayed when people look for AppArmor on the
internet.

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Seth Arnold  wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 05:56:51AM -0400, Noah Davis wrote:
>> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
>> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
>> sides of the 'A's.
>
> I like the red too; I prefer the cyan but that just might be a holdover
> from my BBS days.. I think my 'ideal' use of these icons would be cyan for
> nearly everything, and red in the i3bar or notification area when there's
> recent DENIED lines in my audit logs.
>
> I think I prefer the symmetric split vs the 45 degree split but honestly
> they're both really sharp. :)
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/24/2018 07:33 PM, Seth Arnold wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 05:56:51AM -0400, Noah Davis wrote:
>> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
>> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
>> sides of the 'A's.
> 
> I like the red too; I prefer the cyan but that just might be a holdover
> from my BBS days.. I think my 'ideal' use of these icons would be cyan for
> nearly everything, and red in the i3bar or notification area when there's
> recent DENIED lines in my audit logs.
> 
Oh interesting idea, using color to indicate status. We could potentially
have another color for a warning state, eg. when policy doesn't load
correctly.

> I think I prefer the symmetric split vs the 45 degree split but honestly
> they're both really sharp. :)
> 
Agreed, I prefer the symmetric split 

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Seth Arnold]

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 05:56:51AM -0400, Noah Davis wrote:
> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
> sides of the 'A's.

I like the red too; I prefer the cyan but that just might be a holdover
from my BBS days.. I think my 'ideal' use of these icons would be cyan for
nearly everything, and red in the i3bar or notification area when there's
recent DENIED lines in my audit logs.

I think I prefer the symmetric split vs the 45 degree split but honestly
they're both really sharp. :)

Thanks


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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Noah Davis]

I see. I misunderstood what you meant when you said that the 'A's were
hard to see at smaller sizes. I thought you were talking about smaller
icon resolutions. If you have a fairly average sized HiDPI screen, but
only use 1x scaling, there's really not much I can do about that, but
I'm glad that changing the color of the cyan 'A' to red has made it
easier to read the icon for you.

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 11:06 AM, John Johansen
 wrote:
> On 05/24/2018 05:24 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
>> On May 24, 2018 11:56 AM, Noah Davis  wrote:
>>
>>> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
>>>
>>> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
>>>
>>> sides of the 'A's.
>>
>> I like them both. Thank you. Wonder what others think.
>>
>
> I like all of them. I think I would probably choose the red one just
> because I find it pops a little more/is easier to pick out (probably
> has more contrast) at a small size; which is important to me as I use
> a scaling factor of 1 on my laptop.

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/24/2018 05:24 AM, Jordan Glover wrote:
> On May 24, 2018 11:56 AM, Noah Davis  wrote:
> 
>> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
>>
>> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
>>
>> sides of the 'A's.
> 
> I like them both. Thank you. Wonder what others think.
> 

I like all of them. I think I would probably choose the red one just
because I find it pops a little more/is easier to pick out (probably
has more contrast) at a small size; which is important to me as I use
a scaling factor of 1 on my laptop.

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Jordan Glover]

On May 24, 2018 11:56 AM, Noah Davis  wrote:

> Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
> 
> other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
> 
> sides of the 'A's.

I like them both. Thank you. Wonder what others think.

Jordan

> 
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Jordan Glover
> 
> golden_mille...@protonmail.ch wrote:
> 
> > On May 24, 2018 7:01 AM, Noah Davis noaha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.
> > 
> > Thanks. I also wonder how it looks when colors are distributed like below:
> > 
> > A/
> > 
> > /A
> > 
> > instead of:
> > 
> > A|
> > 
> > |A
> > 
> > Maybe this can be put on vote on AppArmor summit?
> > 
> > Jordan


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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Noah Davis]

Here are 2 different versions. One has a 45 degree split while the
other has a split at an angle that mirrors the angle of the inner
sides of the 'A's.

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Jordan Glover
 wrote:
> On May 24, 2018 7:01 AM, Noah Davis  wrote:
>
>> I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.
>>
>
> Thanks. I also wonder how it looks when colors are distributed like below:
>
> A/
>  /A
>
> instead of:
>
> A|
>|A
>
> Maybe this can be put on vote on AppArmor summit?
>
> Jordan
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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Jordan Glover]

On May 24, 2018 7:01 AM, Noah Davis  wrote:

> I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.
> 

Thanks. I also wonder how it looks when colors are distributed like below: 

A/
 /A

instead of:

A|
   |A

Maybe this can be put on vote on AppArmor summit?

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Noah Davis]

I've attached a version with red instead of cyan.

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Jordan Glover
 wrote:
> On May 23, 2018 3:27 AM, Noah Davis  wrote:
>
>> Whoops, I accidentally sent an older 32x32 version. I've attached the
>>
>> 64x64 version with some slight adjustments to the size of the 'A's,
>>
>> inner shield and height of the shadow on the leg of the white 'A'.
>>
>> This kind of logo isn't really suitable for icon resolutions smaller
>>
>> than 32x32, so I could make an alternative logo specifically for 22x22
>>
>> and 16x16.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 7:41 PM, John Johansen
>>
>> john.johan...@canonical.com wrote:
>>
>> > On 05/22/2018 12:21 AM, Noah Davis wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > > I'm working on icons for openSUSE's YaST Control Center and I realized
>> > >
>> > > AppArmor needed a unique and attractive way to identify it. I have
>> > >
>> > > attached the logo I came up with. Constructive feedback is
>> > >
>> > > appreciated.
>> >
>> > Hi Noah,
>> >
>> > nice, thanks
>> >
>> > so I do have a few comments
>> >
>> > -   at smaller sizes it gets difficult to identify the 'A's
>> >
>> > I messed around in gimp a little and here are some suggestions based on 
>> > things I tried, feel free to ignore
>> >
>> > -   darkening the colour does increase the contrast and helps with the 
>> > white A but doesn't help the coloured A, I think because it has less 
>> > contrast to the shadow
>> > -   extending the none shared legs a little (they can extend into the 
>> > border) does help with being able recognize the 'A's when the logo is small
>> > -   providing a dark outline (I used the outline color) does help with the 
>> > 'A's visibility
>> >
>> > of course I understand some of these may affect the logo in adverse ways 
>> > when you are looking at a larger version.
>> >
>> > the other question would be around licensing, if you want it to be used in 
>> > the upstream project (and not just yast) the license will need to be 
>> > compatible, and open to sharing.
>
> What about using 'red' instead of 'cyan' ?
>
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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Jordan Glover]

On May 23, 2018 3:27 AM, Noah Davis  wrote:

> Whoops, I accidentally sent an older 32x32 version. I've attached the
> 
> 64x64 version with some slight adjustments to the size of the 'A's,
> 
> inner shield and height of the shadow on the leg of the white 'A'.
> 
> This kind of logo isn't really suitable for icon resolutions smaller
> 
> than 32x32, so I could make an alternative logo specifically for 22x22
> 
> and 16x16.
> 
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 7:41 PM, John Johansen
> 
> john.johan...@canonical.com wrote:
> 
> > On 05/22/2018 12:21 AM, Noah Davis wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I'm working on icons for openSUSE's YaST Control Center and I realized
> > > 
> > > AppArmor needed a unique and attractive way to identify it. I have
> > > 
> > > attached the logo I came up with. Constructive feedback is
> > > 
> > > appreciated.
> > 
> > Hi Noah,
> > 
> > nice, thanks
> > 
> > so I do have a few comments
> > 
> > -   at smaller sizes it gets difficult to identify the 'A's
> > 
> > I messed around in gimp a little and here are some suggestions based on 
> > things I tried, feel free to ignore
> > 
> > -   darkening the colour does increase the contrast and helps with the 
> > white A but doesn't help the coloured A, I think because it has less 
> > contrast to the shadow
> > -   extending the none shared legs a little (they can extend into the 
> > border) does help with being able recognize the 'A's when the logo is small
> > -   providing a dark outline (I used the outline color) does help with the 
> > 'A's visibility
> > 
> > of course I understand some of these may affect the logo in adverse ways 
> > when you are looking at a larger version.
> > 
> > the other question would be around licensing, if you want it to be used in 
> > the upstream project (and not just yast) the license will need to be 
> > compatible, and open to sharing.

What about using 'red' instead of 'cyan' ?

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/22/2018 06:39 PM, Noah Davis wrote:
> Would the CC BY-SA 4.0 license
> (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/) be acceptable?
> 
that license should be fine



> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:27 PM, Noah Davis  wrote:
>> Whoops, I accidentally sent an older 32x32 version. I've attached the
>> 64x64 version with some slight adjustments to the size of the 'A's,
>> inner shield and height of the shadow on the leg of the white 'A'.
>> This kind of logo isn't really suitable for icon resolutions smaller
>> than 32x32, so I could make an alternative logo specifically for 22x22
>> and 16x16.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 7:41 PM, John Johansen
>>  wrote:
>>> On 05/22/2018 12:21 AM, Noah Davis wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm working on icons for openSUSE's YaST Control Center and I realized
 AppArmor needed a unique and attractive way to identify it. I have
 attached the logo I came up with. Constructive feedback is
 appreciated.

>>>
>>> Hi Noah,
>>>
>>> nice, thanks
>>>
>>> so I do have a few comments
>>> - at smaller sizes it gets difficult to identify the 'A's
>>>
>>> I messed around in gimp a little and here are some suggestions based on 
>>> things I tried, feel free to ignore
>>> - darkening the colour does increase the contrast and helps with the white 
>>> A but doesn't help the coloured A, I think because it has less contrast to 
>>> the shadow
>>> - extending the none shared legs a little (they can extend into the border) 
>>> does help with being able recognize the 'A's when the logo is small
>>> - providing a dark outline (I used the outline color) does help with the 
>>> 'A's visibility
>>>
>>> of course I understand some of these may affect the logo in adverse ways 
>>> when you are looking at a larger version.
>>>
>>>
>>> the other question would be around licensing, if you want it to be used in 
>>> the upstream project (and not just yast) the license will need to be 
>>> compatible, and open to sharing.


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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Noah Davis]

Asymmetry isn't really part of the design, but the shadows all come
down at a 45 degree angle. The long legs fade back into the inner
shield backgrounds of the same color. The lower part of the long leg
of the cyan 'A' is actually a separate piece that blends the leg into
the shadow as if it was reaching back down below the source of the
shadow. I've changed the rate at which the color of the leg darkens to
make it appear longer and lengthened the gradient of the shadows cast
by the cyan 'A' and the leg of the white 'A'.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Seth Arnold  wrote:
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 09:27:58PM -0400, Noah Davis wrote:
>> Whoops, I accidentally sent an older 32x32 version. I've attached the
>> 64x64 version with some slight adjustments to the size of the 'A's,
>> inner shield and height of the shadow on the leg of the white 'A'.
>> This kind of logo isn't really suitable for icon resolutions smaller
>> than 32x32, so I could make an alternative logo specifically for 22x22
>> and 16x16.
>
> This is really cool :) thanks!
>
> I think my sense of symmetry would prefer if the lower, left-side shadow
> would reach a point at the same level of the right-side inverted A,
> to match the pointy shadow at the top on the upper left side... have
> you tried more symmetry? or is the asymmetry important to the design?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Seth Arnold]

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 09:27:58PM -0400, Noah Davis wrote:
> Whoops, I accidentally sent an older 32x32 version. I've attached the
> 64x64 version with some slight adjustments to the size of the 'A's,
> inner shield and height of the shadow on the leg of the white 'A'.
> This kind of logo isn't really suitable for icon resolutions smaller
> than 32x32, so I could make an alternative logo specifically for 22x22
> and 16x16.

This is really cool :) thanks!

I think my sense of symmetry would prefer if the lower, left-side shadow
would reach a point at the same level of the right-side inverted A,
to match the pointy shadow at the top on the upper left side... have
you tried more symmetry? or is the asymmetry important to the design?

Thanks


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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Noah Davis]

Would the CC BY-SA 4.0 license
(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/) be acceptable?

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:27 PM, Noah Davis  wrote:
> Whoops, I accidentally sent an older 32x32 version. I've attached the
> 64x64 version with some slight adjustments to the size of the 'A's,
> inner shield and height of the shadow on the leg of the white 'A'.
> This kind of logo isn't really suitable for icon resolutions smaller
> than 32x32, so I could make an alternative logo specifically for 22x22
> and 16x16.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 7:41 PM, John Johansen
>  wrote:
>> On 05/22/2018 12:21 AM, Noah Davis wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'm working on icons for openSUSE's YaST Control Center and I realized
>>> AppArmor needed a unique and attractive way to identify it. I have
>>> attached the logo I came up with. Constructive feedback is
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Noah,
>>
>> nice, thanks
>>
>> so I do have a few comments
>> - at smaller sizes it gets difficult to identify the 'A's
>>
>> I messed around in gimp a little and here are some suggestions based on 
>> things I tried, feel free to ignore
>> - darkening the colour does increase the contrast and helps with the white A 
>> but doesn't help the coloured A, I think because it has less contrast to the 
>> shadow
>> - extending the none shared legs a little (they can extend into the border) 
>> does help with being able recognize the 'A's when the logo is small
>> - providing a dark outline (I used the outline color) does help with the 
>> 'A's visibility
>>
>> of course I understand some of these may affect the logo in adverse ways 
>> when you are looking at a larger version.
>>
>>
>> the other question would be around licensing, if you want it to be used in 
>> the upstream project (and not just yast) the license will need to be 
>> compatible, and open to sharing.

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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[Noah Davis]

Whoops, I accidentally sent an older 32x32 version. I've attached the
64x64 version with some slight adjustments to the size of the 'A's,
inner shield and height of the shadow on the leg of the white 'A'.
This kind of logo isn't really suitable for icon resolutions smaller
than 32x32, so I could make an alternative logo specifically for 22x22
and 16x16.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 7:41 PM, John Johansen
 wrote:
> On 05/22/2018 12:21 AM, Noah Davis wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm working on icons for openSUSE's YaST Control Center and I realized
>> AppArmor needed a unique and attractive way to identify it. I have
>> attached the logo I came up with. Constructive feedback is
>> appreciated.
>>
>
> Hi Noah,
>
> nice, thanks
>
> so I do have a few comments
> - at smaller sizes it gets difficult to identify the 'A's
>
> I messed around in gimp a little and here are some suggestions based on 
> things I tried, feel free to ignore
> - darkening the colour does increase the contrast and helps with the white A 
> but doesn't help the coloured A, I think because it has less contrast to the 
> shadow
> - extending the none shared legs a little (they can extend into the border) 
> does help with being able recognize the 'A's when the logo is small
> - providing a dark outline (I used the outline color) does help with the 'A's 
> visibility
>
> of course I understand some of these may affect the logo in adverse ways when 
> you are looking at a larger version.
>
>
> the other question would be around licensing, if you want it to be used in 
> the upstream project (and not just yast) the license will need to be 
> compatible, and open to sharing.
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Re: [apparmor] Proposal for a new AppArmor logo

[John Johansen]

On 05/22/2018 12:21 AM, Noah Davis wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm working on icons for openSUSE's YaST Control Center and I realized
> AppArmor needed a unique and attractive way to identify it. I have
> attached the logo I came up with. Constructive feedback is
> appreciated.
> 

Hi Noah,

nice, thanks

so I do have a few comments
- at smaller sizes it gets difficult to identify the 'A's

I messed around in gimp a little and here are some suggestions based on things 
I tried, feel free to ignore
- darkening the colour does increase the contrast and helps with the white A 
but doesn't help the coloured A, I think because it has less contrast to the 
shadow
- extending the none shared legs a little (they can extend into the border) 
does help with being able recognize the 'A's when the logo is small
- providing a dark outline (I used the outline color) does help with the 'A's 
visibility

of course I understand some of these may affect the logo in adverse ways when 
you are looking at a larger version.


the other question would be around licensing, if you want it to be used in the 
upstream project (and not just yast) the license will need to be compatible, 
and open to sharing.

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