Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread François Charette



What's german pronunciation for "Arch" by the way ?

  

['arç] ( ≠ Arsch)





Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Pierre CHAPUIS
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:03:07 -0500,
Jeffrey Parke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> Brandon Martin wrote:
> > Is this for real?

> yes

I'm willing to start a French fork then. :)
What's german pronunciation for "Arch" by the way ?

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Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Jeffrey Parke

yes

Brandon Martin wrote:

Is this for real?

  




Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Brandon Martin
Is this for real?

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 02:46:12 +0200
Alessio Bolognino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon 2008-03-31 19:32 , Dan McGee wrote:
> > [...]
> > We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been
> > one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language
> > manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in
> > German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when
> > troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before,
> > "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
> 
> Ze German Uber Alles!
> 
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Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Armando M. Baratti

Dan McGee wrote:

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:21 PM, pyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

 I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible

 mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).

 This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what

 not!



 I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as

 possible. Any help would be great!



We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been
one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language
manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in
German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when
troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before,
"en_US" will still be available to most programs.

-Dan


  

Can you send me again this post some hours later?
It's still march 31 here...

Armando



Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Hussam Al-Tayeb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 19:32 -0500, Dan McGee wrote:
>  > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:21 PM, pyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >  I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a 
> terrible
>  > >
>  > >  mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but 
> still...).
>  > >
>  > >  This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and 
> what
>  > >
>  > >  not!
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
>  > >
>  > >  possible. Any help would be great!
>  >
>  > We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been
>  > one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language
>  > manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in
>  > German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when
>  > troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before,
>  > "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
>  >
>  > -Dan
>  >
>
>  Oh, I wasn't aware that this is what pyther referring too. he didn't
>  explain much and I hadn't checked the main website yet today.

Viva la Deutschland! 8)


Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Hussam Al-Tayeb
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 19:32 -0500, Dan McGee wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:21 PM, pyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
> >
> >  mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
> >
> >  This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
> >
> >  not!
> >
> >
> >
> >  I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
> >
> >  possible. Any help would be great!
> 
> We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been
> one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language
> manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in
> German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when
> troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before,
> "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
> 
> -Dan
> 

Oh, I wasn't aware that this is what pyther referring too. he didn't
explain much and I hadn't checked the main website yet today.


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Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Alessio Bolognino
On Mon 2008-03-31 19:32 , Dan McGee wrote:
> [...]
> We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been
> one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language
> manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in
> German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when
> troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before,
> "en_US" will still be available to most programs.

Ze German Uber Alles!

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Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Hussam Al-Tayeb
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 20:21 -0400, pyther wrote:
> I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
> 
> mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
> 
> This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
> 
> not!
> 
> 
> 
> I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
> 
> possible. Any help would be great!
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Pyther
> 
> 

Almost all distributions including ArchLinux use English as the default
language in man pages in applications.
If you are really looking to switch to another distribution, I would
recommend Fedora. The last time I tried it was when they released Fedora
Core 3, but I think it is still a great distribution.
Still I doubt you will find anything that resembles ArchLinux a lot.


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Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread John Canino
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:21:44 -0400
pyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a
> terrible
> 
> mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but
> still...).
> 
> This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages
> and what
> 
> not!
> 
> 
> 
> I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
> 
> possible. Any help would be great!
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Pyther
> 
If this is what is happening it must be April Fool's day!

-- 
John R. Canino



Re: [arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread Dan McGee
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:21 PM, pyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
>
>  mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
>
>  This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
>
>  not!
>
>
>
>  I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
>
>  possible. Any help would be great!

We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been
one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language
manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in
German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when
troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before,
"en_US" will still be available to most programs.

-Dan



[arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German

2008-03-31 Thread pyther

I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible

mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).

This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what

not!



I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as

possible. Any help would be great!



Thank you,

Pyther




Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] licenses: GPL permutations

2008-03-31 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Roman Kyrylych
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/4/1, Loui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  > > Do we need a GPL1 and GPL1+?
>  >
>  > Seems like we would need a GPL1. GPL1+ is logically the same as GPL
>  >  since there are no previous versions (are there?)
>
>  I haven't seen a single piece of code licensed under GPLv1 ever. :-)


Ok. How about this. Lets assume "GPL" means 1.0 and up. Problem solved
because it will... *ahem, let me clear my throat* never ever ever ever
ever ever happen.



Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] licenses: GPL permutations

2008-03-31 Thread Roman Kyrylych
2008/4/1, Loui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

[skipped]

Thousands of PKGBUILDs use license=('GPL') for "version 2 or later" already,
there's no point to change this just because of cosmethics
(though I like cosmethics myself :-P).

> > Do we need a GPL1 and GPL1+?
>
> Seems like we would need a GPL1. GPL1+ is logically the same as GPL
>  since there are no previous versions (are there?)

I haven't seen a single piece of code licensed under GPLv1 ever. :-)

While I do understand your arguments
this thread has similar opinions as the previous one,
so it doesn't have much use to repeat all arguments again IMHO,
as they all can be read in previous discussion thread.

We're busy with new interesting things now,
so anything like this is definetely very low priority,
even if something like this could be changed.

Thanks for participating in discussions.

-- 
Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)


Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] licenses: GPL permutations

2008-03-31 Thread Loui
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:24:47 -0500
"Aaron Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Man, I'm the first one to admit that arguing semantics is awesome, but
> don't you think we're getting WAY to picky here?
> 
> Read the GPL2. It actually says somewhere in there that it scales up
> to newer versions of the license at the behest of the author.
> 

You're right. Maybe I got too picky; I was really only trying to
clearly understand how others are interpreting these license terms.

My point is that if a program specifies a license version, only
THAT version applies unless the program explicitly states "any later
version".

The GPL is misleading in the section "How to Apply These Terms to Your
New Programs" by telling authors to put "(at your option) any later version."
in their programs. That section is not part of the terms, but rather just
an addendum.

From section 9 of the GPL version 2:
Each version is given a distinguishing version number. If the Program
specifies a version number of this License which applies to it and "any
later version", you have the option of following the terms and conditions
either of that version or of any later version published by the Free Software
Foundation. If the Program does not specify a version number of this License,
you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation.

By this text, taking "GPL" to mean "GPL2 or later" is erroneous. It
should mean any version of GPL. Paul's original post in this thread
is the most accurate and should probably be the way to deal with these
licenses.

>  GPL - any version of GPL
>  GPL2 - only version 2
>  GPL2+ - version 2 or later
>  GPL3 - version 3 only
>  GPL3+ - version 3 or later

Oh and...
> Do we need a GPL1 and GPL1+?
Seems like we would need a GPL1. GPL1+ is logically the same as GPL
since there are no previous versions (are there?)

Cheers, and thanks for reading.



Re: [arch-general] problem with courier-imap-4.3.1-1-i686

2008-03-31 Thread Roman Kyrylych
2008/3/31, Jason R Begley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jason R Begley wrote:
>  > I can't get some mail clients to connect to courier-imap-4.3.1-1-i686
>  > after reecnt upgrades... Was working file with
>  > courier-imap-4.2.1-2-i686, I have rolled back without problems. Only
>  > error I could find in the log was
>  > imapd-ssl: couriertls: accept: error:1408A0C1:SSL
>  > routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:no shared cipher
>  > Maybe only compiled for ssl3 and my clients need   >
>
> Any update on this?
>

Don't know.
Did you file a bugreport? If yes - what's its number?

-- 
Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)


Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] licenses: GPL permutations

2008-03-31 Thread JJDaNiMoTh
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:24:47 -0500
"Aaron Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Loui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:32:54 +0100
> >  "Raeven Bathory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  > Loui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > "Roman Kyrylych" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
[cut]
> 
> Man, I'm the first one to admit that arguing semantics is awesome, but
> don't you think we're getting WAY to picky here?
> 
> Read the GPL2. It actually says somewhere in there that it scales up
> to newer versions of the license at the behest of the author.

Don't true. It's opionion of the user that use a program licensed 
under GPL2+. 


-- 
JJDaNiMoTh - ArchLinux Trusted User


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Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Thomas Bächler

Hans Janssen schrieb:
I can use iwl3945 but the radio led on my acer laptop doesn't work with 
it, where it does with ipw3945.

Not a big issue but it's nice to see if wireless is up at a glance.

Hans.


As I already said on the BBS, the LED is not implemented yet. IIRC, it 
will be in the upcoming 2.6.25.




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Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Michael Schaefer

Xavier wrote:
Hey, we know the wireless led doesn't work, it has always been said so! 
There is no need to repeat 10 times.
And I personally couldn't even notice it, I don't see what's so critical 
about it. You find out whether the net is working or not the second you 
try to access something. And when it doesn't work and you have doubts, a 
simple iwconfig usually helps.


well, this was the second 'led doesn't work'-post in this thread. don't 
see the issue. furthermore i tried iwl first time today - sorry for not 
searching the hole net if someone else mentioned the non working led 
before ;)
please don't take it personal, that i would like to have my hardware 
working the way it's supposed to..didn't know i have explain myself 
cause i would like to have a working led insetad of using iwconfig or 
whatever. there is always a workaround..


PS: this mail isn't aimed at you in particular, I just wanted the "led 
doesn't work" messages to stop :)


well.. ok. but i think there is nothing bad in just telling about the 
differences when changing from ipw to iwl. this was the initial 
intention of this thread i guess.


anyhow there was a second question (about kismet), maybe this gives my 
post a right to exist?


kr  
Michael



Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Simo Leone
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 07:12:40PM +0200, Xavier wrote:
> Michael Schaefer wrote:
>> Gave it a second try and works fine for me now. But i have the same issue 
>> with the non working wireless led. any solution for this? would be nice to 
>> see if wireless is up or not...
>>
>
> Hey, we know the wireless led doesn't work, it has always been said so! 
> There is no need to repeat 10 times.
> And I personally couldn't even notice it, I don't see what's so critical 
> about it. You find out whether the net is working or not the second you try 
> to access something. And when it doesn't work and you have doubts, a simple 
> iwconfig usually helps.
>
> Anyway, the support will be added, just be patient.
> http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1209#c59
>
> PS: this mail isn't aimed at you in particular, I just wanted the "led 
> doesn't work" messages to stop :)
>
Coincidentially, my LED doesn't work either. But the patch was added to
the git tree three days ago:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/rchatre/iwlwifi-2.6.git;a=commit;h=ec2ce7fc7890b37d564a274513d8d99ed4edb9ac

So I'm cool with killing ipw, no more userspace daemon, yay!

-S


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Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread lists

Hans Janssen wrote:
I can use iwl3945 but the radio led on my acer laptop doesn't work with 
it, where it does with ipw3945.

Not a big issue but it's nice to see if wireless is up at a glance.


Sane think here on my Thinkpad. Wireless works good but without the led.



Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Xavier

Michael Schaefer wrote:
Gave it a second try and works fine for me now. But i have the same 
issue with the non working wireless led. any solution for this? would be 
nice to see if wireless is up or not...




Hey, we know the wireless led doesn't work, it has always been said so! 
There is no need to repeat 10 times.
And I personally couldn't even notice it, I don't see what's so critical 
about it. You find out whether the net is working or not the second you 
try to access something. And when it doesn't work and you have doubts, a 
simple iwconfig usually helps.


Anyway, the support will be added, just be patient.
http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1209#c59

PS: this mail isn't aimed at you in particular, I just wanted the "led 
doesn't work" messages to stop :)




Re: [arch-general] problem with courier-imap-4.3.1-1-i686

2008-03-31 Thread Jason R Begley

Jason R Begley wrote:
I can't get some mail clients to connect to courier-imap-4.3.1-1-i686 
after reecnt upgrades... Was working file with 
courier-imap-4.2.1-2-i686, I have rolled back without problems. Only 
error I could find in the log was
imapd-ssl: couriertls: accept: error:1408A0C1:SSL 
routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:no shared cipher

Maybe only compiled for ssl3 and my clients need 
Any update on this?




Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Michael Schaefer

Hans Janssen wrote:
I can use iwl3945 but the radio led on my acer laptop doesn't work with 
it, where it does with ipw3945.

Not a big issue but it's nice to see if wireless is up at a glance.


Gave it a second try and works fine for me now. But i have the same 
issue with the non working wireless led. any solution for this? would be 
nice to see if wireless is up or not...


btw: did anyone bring kismet up and running with iwl? with ipw it wasn't 
a problem. with iwl kismet crys for "unknown source iwl3945" while 
starting and craches...


kr
Michael





Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Jakub Schmidtke
Thomas Bächler wrote:

> Is there anyone who cannot use iwl3945 instead
> of ipw3945?

I was having various problems with getting iwl3945 to work.
Most of the times I wasn't able to associate to any network before I
run 'iwlist scan' manually. Also, when I finally connected, I got
disconnected every couple of minutes. Activity LED is missing as well.





Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Roman Kyrylych
2008/3/31, Sergey Manucharian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:17:45 +0200
>
> Thomas Bächler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > Michael Schaefer schrieb:
>  > > Sergey Manucharian wrote:
>  > >> Recently  I was installing Archlinux on a notebook and the network
>  > >> was working fine with iwl3945 during the installation, but after
>  > >> reboot it couldn't find the module. Since I had no time to
>  > >> investigate this I've just switched to ipw3945.
>  > >
>  > > Exactly the same here.
>  > >
>  > > kr
>  > > Michael
>  > >
>  >
>  > The module is installed by default with (arch-)kernel 2.6.24 and
>  > newer. Did you guys install the firmware?
>  >
>
>
> Most probably that was the problem, I cannot check it right now. But
>  the think that the installer put "iwl3945" into MODULES line of rc.conf
>  is disappointing people - they think that everything is already done...
>  Anyway, thanks for the hint!

Didn't installer show messages abut firmware/licenses/etc. during boot?
This had to bring users' attention.

-- 
Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)


Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] licenses: GPL permutations

2008-03-31 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Loui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:32:54 +0100
>  "Raeven Bathory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > Loui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > "Roman Kyrylych" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > GPL2 "or, at your opinion, any later version" is not the same as GPL2
>  > > > only + GPL3 or later. ;)
>  > > >
>  > >
>  > > Can you explain why they are not the same? I don't quite
>  > > understand why that doesn't work. Thanks.
>  > >
>  > 
> http://gplv3.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/Compatible_licenses#GPLv3-incompatible_licenses
>
>  Yes, I already understood that GPL2 and GPL3 are incompatible but that
>  doesn't mean a project can't license under both terms.
>
>  If you own the code you can do whatever the hell you want.
>  That's why you have some projects that have dual open licensing and
>  commercial licensing.
>
>  Your link doesn't do anything to explain why (GPL2 or later, GPL3)
>  is practically any different than (GPL2, GPL3)
>
>  Am I missing anything? Please let me know.

Man, I'm the first one to admit that arguing semantics is awesome, but
don't you think we're getting WAY to picky here?

Read the GPL2. It actually says somewhere in there that it scales up
to newer versions of the license at the behest of the author.



Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Hans Janssen

Thomas Bächler wrote:
After I discovered that my problems with the new Intel driver where 
related to dhclient and fixed the bug, I am now successfully using 
iwl3945 on my machine.


It seems to be working perfectly, so I am considering dropping ipw3945 
from core/support with the 2.6.25 release (so there will be no new 
package versions after ipw3945-1.2.2-8). This is intended as a warning, 
but also as a question: Is there anyone who cannot use iwl3945 instead 
of ipw3945?


I can use iwl3945 but the radio led on my acer laptop doesn't work with 
it, where it does with ipw3945.

Not a big issue but it's nice to see if wireless is up at a glance.

Hans.



Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] licenses: GPL permutations

2008-03-31 Thread Timm Preetz
On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 14:53 -0400, Loui wrote:
> 
> > Loui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Roman Kyrylych" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > GPL2 "or, at your opinion, any later version" is not the same as
> GPL2
> > > > only + GPL3 or later. ;)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Can you explain why they are not the same? I don't quite
> > > understand why that doesn't work. Thanks.
> > >
> >
> http://gplv3.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/Compatible_licenses#GPLv3-incompatible_licenses
> 
> Your link doesn't do anything to explain why (GPL2 or later, GPL3)
> is practically any different than (GPL2, GPL3)
> 
> Am I missing anything? Please let me know.

I think, what Roman states (and what is right as far as I know), is that
(GPL2+) != (GPL2, GPL3+).

That's all I guess.




Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Sergey Manucharian
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:17:45 +0200
Thomas Bächler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Schaefer schrieb:
> > Sergey Manucharian wrote:
> >> Recently  I was installing Archlinux on a notebook and the network
> >> was working fine with iwl3945 during the installation, but after
> >> reboot it couldn't find the module. Since I had no time to
> >> investigate this I've just switched to ipw3945.
> > 
> > Exactly the same here.
> > 
> > kr
> > Michael
> > 
> 
> The module is installed by default with (arch-)kernel 2.6.24 and
> newer. Did you guys install the firmware?
> 

Most probably that was the problem, I cannot check it right now. But
the think that the installer put "iwl3945" into MODULES line of rc.conf
is disappointing people - they think that everything is already done...
Anyway, thanks for the hint!

Cheers,
Sergey




Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Emmanuel Benisty
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Michael Schaefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sergey Manucharian wrote:
>  > Recently  I was installing Archlinux on a notebook and the network was
>  > working fine with iwl3945 during the installation, but after reboot it
>  > couldn't find the module. Since I had no time to investigate this I've
>  > just switched to ipw3945.
>
>  Exactly the same here.

While the module is included in the kernel, you still have to install
the firmware.
http://archlinux.org/packages/search/?q=iwlwifi



Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Thomas Bächler

Michael Schaefer schrieb:

Sergey Manucharian wrote:

Recently  I was installing Archlinux on a notebook and the network was
working fine with iwl3945 during the installation, but after reboot it
couldn't find the module. Since I had no time to investigate this I've
just switched to ipw3945.


Exactly the same here.

kr
Michael



The module is installed by default with (arch-)kernel 2.6.24 and newer. 
Did you guys install the firmware?




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Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Michael Schaefer

Sergey Manucharian wrote:

Recently  I was installing Archlinux on a notebook and the network was
working fine with iwl3945 during the installation, but after reboot it
couldn't find the module. Since I had no time to investigate this I've
just switched to ipw3945.


Exactly the same here.

kr
Michael



Re: [arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Sergey Manucharian
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:18:27 +0200
Thomas Bächler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> After I discovered that my problems with the new Intel driver where 
> related to dhclient and fixed the bug, I am now successfully using 
> iwl3945 on my machine.
> 
> It seems to be working perfectly, so I am considering dropping
> ipw3945 from core/support with the 2.6.25 release (so there will be
> no new package versions after ipw3945-1.2.2-8). This is intended as a
> warning, but also as a question: Is there anyone who cannot use
> iwl3945 instead of ipw3945?
>

Recently  I was installing Archlinux on a notebook and the network was
working fine with iwl3945 during the installation, but after reboot it
couldn't find the module. Since I had no time to investigate this I've
just switched to ipw3945.

Cheers,
Sergey




[arch-general] Dropping ipw3945 from core

2008-03-31 Thread Thomas Bächler
After I discovered that my problems with the new Intel driver where 
related to dhclient and fixed the bug, I am now successfully using 
iwl3945 on my machine.


It seems to be working perfectly, so I am considering dropping ipw3945 
from core/support with the 2.6.25 release (so there will be no new 
package versions after ipw3945-1.2.2-8). This is intended as a warning, 
but also as a question: Is there anyone who cannot use iwl3945 instead 
of ipw3945?




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Re: [arch-general] Installation: after first reboot ext3 superblock mount time in future

2008-03-31 Thread Gerhard Brauer
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 07:58:21PM +0200, Gerhard Brauer wrote:
> 
tzdata/tzselect on ISOs:
> Meanwhile (i wrote on other mail) i would prefer to handle it like km.
> Maybe it could be combined with the km hint in /etc/motd. So you must
> not "hurt" the installer, but it is on a place where every user should
> notice it.

I think i'll make a feature request in next 3-4 days if we got nothing
new in this discussion.
We should not change something only while I and some others have
discussed it.

Gerhard

-- 
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Widerstand ist zwecklos!
Wir werden Ihre terroristischen
Daten den unseren hinzufuegen.



Re: [arch-general] Something screwy with colour terminal output at shutdown

2008-03-31 Thread Neil Darlow

Hi Arvid,

Arvid Ephraim Picciani wrote:

could be related to that.
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/1186


Not sure it is. Colours at startup are OK. It's just shutdown that's 
messed-up.


Regards,
Neil Darlow



Re: [arch-general] Something screwy with colour terminal output at shutdown

2008-03-31 Thread Arvid Ephraim Picciani
On Monday 31 March 2008 09:53:22 Neil Darlow wrote:

> Since the last initscripts update (I think) my colour terminal output at
> shutdown is messed-up.

could be related to that.
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/1186
-- 
best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Arvid Ephraim Picciani



[arch-general] Something screwy with colour terminal output at shutdown

2008-03-31 Thread Neil Darlow

Hi,

Since the last initscripts update (I think) my colour terminal output at 
shutdown is messed-up.


Use of colour at startup is correct but at shutdown the following is shown:

1) The preceeding :: appear dim-yellow
2) Daemon names don't appear
3) Daemon shutdown noise (e.g. postgresql's server stopped output)
   appears dim-grey

It's not a big problem, I could just set USECOLOR="no" but if anyone 
knows a quick fix to make it work again, I would prefer that.


Regards,
Neil Darlow