[arch-general] makepkg and md5/sha1/etc
makepkg has support for using hashes besides md5, but is there a way to get 'makepkg -g' to generate any hashes besides md5? Based on what I found in makepkg.conf(5) I modified the variable INTEGRITY_CHECK, both in ~/.makepkg.conf and /etc/makepkg.conf. But neither had any effect, 'makepkg -g' still insisted on generating md5 hashes. In the end this isn't very important, I'm just curious. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe
Re: [arch-general] makepkg and md5/sha1/etc
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Magnus Therning mag...@therning.org wrote: makepkg has support for using hashes besides md5, but is there a way to get 'makepkg -g' to generate any hashes besides md5? makepkg generates checksums based on the hash algorithm used in the PKGBUILD. For example, if the PKGBUILD contains sha1sums, makepkg will also output sha1sums.
Re: [arch-general] makepkg and md5/sha1/etc
Am 29.07.2010 11:16, schrieb Evangelos Foutras: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Evangelos Foutrasfoutre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Magnus Therningmag...@therning.org wrote: makepkg has support for using hashes besides md5, but is there a way to get 'makepkg -g' to generate any hashes besides md5? makepkg generates checksums based on the hash algorithm used in the PKGBUILD. For example, if the PKGBUILD contains sha1sums, makepkg will also output sha1sums. Oh, and if multiple sets of checksums (e.g.: md5sums and sha1sums) are included in the PKGBUILD, makepkg will also output multiple sets of (updated) checksums. is there a way to replace the old sum with the new sum with makepkg -g? e.g. somewhere in there middle in the PKGBUILD is md5sums = OLD and i want it updated there. if i would do makepkg -g PKGBUILD, i would have it double.
Re: [arch-general] makepkg and md5/sha1/etc
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Adam Hani Schakaki k...@krzd.net wrote: is there a way to replace the old sum with the new sum with makepkg -g? e.g. somewhere in there middle in the PKGBUILD is md5sums = OLD and i want it updated there. if i would do makepkg -g PKGBUILD, i would have it double. See my funky awk command here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=423094#p423094
Re: [arch-general] makepkg and md5/sha1/etc
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:12, Evangelos Foutras foutre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Magnus Therning mag...@therning.org wrote: makepkg has support for using hashes besides md5, but is there a way to get 'makepkg -g' to generate any hashes besides md5? makepkg generates checksums based on the hash algorithm used in the PKGBUILD. For example, if the PKGBUILD contains sha1sums, makepkg will also output sha1sums. Ah, somewhat strange behaviour in my opinion, but it does show that I should have read makepkg(8) a bit more carefully before sending questions to the mailing list. Thanks! /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe
[arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
of perl http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2010/07/perls-state-in-mandriva-cooker.html how embarrassing. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.com
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: how embarrassing. I guess cooker is like their testing version... but according to this it's in opensuse 11.3... we're definitely starting to fall behind release distro's here. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.com
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
Mandriva Cooker is like debian sid that's the unstable branch from which they freeze to stable ones. On 29 July 2010 16:36, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: how embarrassing. I guess cooker is like their testing version... but according to this it's in opensuse 11.3... we're definitely starting to fall behind release distro's here. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.com
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On 07/29/2010 05:05 PM, Caleb Cushing wrote: of perl http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2010/07/perls-state-in-mandriva-cooker.html how embarrassing. perl freak /joke -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 07/29/2010 12:34 AM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
On 25 July 2010 19:02, Guillaume ALAUXguilla...@alaux.net wrote:
On 25 July 2010 18:45, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote:
On 07/25/2010 07:37 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
On 25 July 2010 18:17, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote:
On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote:
Hi,
On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
I also have some suggestions for these packages:
- rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so
would
enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7)
Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if all
the
similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were
alternatives.
So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6
and
sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme,
e.g.
java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer
contains
the
phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for.
Just a thought.
Pete.
i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm
not against to use upstream name.
--
Ionuț
Well there are several reasons in this renaming proposal :
1) to add some more info about the package
2) to make the difference between versions of Java. ie if we include the
6
in names we could have (in a shorter scheme) jdk6 and jre6, jdk5 and
jre5,
jdk7 and jre7. Because nowadays, upgrading jre from 6 to 7 would
un-install
jre v6. As you all know these different versions of JVM (5 and 6 and
tomorrow 7) are both used a lot !
well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and
jdk package when version 7 is released
i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but i'm
not against to use upstream name
What about splitting the PKGBUILD?
+1
So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6 and
sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same scheme,
e.g.
java6-open-jdk
I do agree.
the description of jre/jdk are pretty damn straight an if you really
search for java sun it would find jre/jdk
pacman -Ss java sun
--
Ionuț
well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and
jdk package when version 7 is released
I see your point: jdk beeing the current version and jdk5 or jdk7
alternatives like Peter said.
What about paths? Today jdk/jre install in /opt/java, openjdk6 installs
in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk. Wouldn't it be cleaner if we installed
jdk/jre files in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-{jdk,jre} or something?
OK tested !
So! Basically, I made 2 versions of the package:
1) this
onehttp://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_current
is
made of the PKGBUILDs of JRE and JDK from community merged and updated
2) this
onehttp://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_custom
is
the same as 1) but I removed the construct.sh script and directly included
it into the PKGBUILD so that we don't have to get through a lot of
unnecessary lines of script for building. This doesn't bring a lot but looks
cleaner to me so... may not be that relevant !
Names are unchanged, ie jdk and jre. Paths are unchanged ie
/opt/java/{,jre}
Both have been tested for 32 and 64 arch and compile with openjdk6 and
jre/jdk. If a dev wants to use/test for official use in Arch repo
Guillaume
thanks for this. i'll add it later today as Dan is kinda inactive
--
Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On 07/29/2010 09:36 PM, Caleb Cushing wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Caleb Cushingxenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: how embarrassing. I guess cooker is like their testing version... but according to this it's in opensuse 11.3... we're definitely starting to fall behind release distro's here. Since when did releasing a new version of software become a race? I'd rather wait and let the devs sort out any/all problems with the new version of perl, or any software for that matter, before releasing it, rather than rushing to releasing it in order to win a nonexistent race. Regards,
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
Dear Caleb, Do you know that there is some human intervention in the process to make these packages? those humans who are in the process called devs, trusted users, etc .. If you want the last version of _perl_ (or any other package) and it's not on the repos yet, you can compile yourself, share it with the pkgbuilds (if you want), or just wait until this or those human(s) have a free time to make the package(s) and do the tests, or you want a broken package but _updated_ ?. So, following that list of possible actions, _complaining_, because we don't have the last version of XX package won't do anything and is the last action that you should take, is wrong, and be sure that doesn't make any pressure for the guy who is on charge to package it :). So, you have two options, wait until the release, or compile yourself .. complains please send it to /dev/null :) Thanks.. P.S: When KDE and gcc were released on the time, I didn't found a mail of you saying a something like 'congratulations'.. if you will complain .. you should be grateful when the things works as you're expected (specially if these things are for free -even if you pay you will have to wait btw-). -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com
Re: [arch-general] community/jre and community/jdk packages are out of date - PKGBUILD proposal
On 07/29/2010 05:57 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
On 29 July 2010 16:42, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote:
On 07/29/2010 12:34 AM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
On 25 July 2010 19:02, Guillaume ALAUXguilla...@alaux.net wrote:
On 25 July 2010 18:45, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote:
On 07/25/2010 07:37 PM, Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
On 25 July 2010 18:17, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.orgwrote:
On 07/25/2010 07:14 PM, Peter Lewis wrote:
Hi,
On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 at 16:50 Guillaume ALAUX wrote:
I also have some suggestions for these packages:
- rename them from {jre,jdk} to {java6-sun-jre,java6-sun-jdk} or so
would
enable us to use different versions of SUN's JVM (Java5, 6 and 7)
Well the open jdk package is called openjdk6. It would be nice if
all
the
similar packages had similar names, to make it obvious that they were
alternatives.
So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6
and
sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same
scheme,
e.g.
java6-open-jdk? Although this has the down side that it no longer
contains
the
phrase openjdk which is probably what some/most people search for.
Just a thought.
Pete.
i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but
i'm
not against to use upstream name.
--
Ionuț
Well there are several reasons in this renaming proposal :
1) to add some more info about the package
2) to make the difference between versions of Java. ie if we include
the
6
in names we could have (in a shorter scheme) jdk6 and jre6, jdk5 and
jre5,
jdk7 and jre7. Because nowadays, upgrading jre from 6 to 7 would
un-install
jre v6. As you all know these different versions of JVM (5 and 6 and
tomorrow 7) are both used a lot !
well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and
jdk package when version 7 is released
i always hatted the debian naming scheme for java so -1 from me. but
i'm
not against to use upstream name
What about splitting the PKGBUILD?
+1
So if you want to rename them, how about either calling them sunjdk6
and
sunjre6 or else renaming the open ones too to fit into the same
scheme,
e.g.
java6-open-jdk
I do agree.
the description of jre/jdk are pretty damn straight an if you really
search for java sun it would find jre/jdk
pacman -Ss java sun
--
Ionuț
well, when this happens be sure that we will do that. add a new jre6 and
jdk package when version 7 is released
I see your point: jdk beeing the current version and jdk5 or jdk7
alternatives like Peter said.
What about paths? Today jdk/jre install in /opt/java, openjdk6 installs
in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk. Wouldn't it be cleaner if we installed
jdk/jre files in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-{jdk,jre} or something?
OK tested !
So! Basically, I made 2 versions of the package:
1) this one
http://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_current
is
made of the PKGBUILDs of JRE and JDK from community merged and updated
2) this one
http://github.com/downloads/galaux/abs/java-sun-6u21-1.src.tar.gz_custom
is
the same as 1) but I removed the construct.sh script and directly included
it into the PKGBUILD so that we don't have to get through a lot of
unnecessary lines of script for building. This doesn't bring a lot but
looks
cleaner to me so... may not be that relevant !
Names are unchanged, ie jdk and jre. Paths are unchanged ie
/opt/java/{,jre}
Both have been tested for 32 and 64 arch and compile with openjdk6 and
jre/jdk. If a dev wants to use/test for official use in Arch repo
Guillaume
thanks for this. i'll add it later today as Dan is kinda inactive
--
Ionuț
I have pretty much the same request about Tomcat... should I wait for Dan to
get back in business?
--
Guillaume
send me everything
--
Ionuț
[arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks mplayer if you have a slow connection use mplayer -cache-min 50 http://url-of-playlist -- Regards, Nilesh Govindarajan Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/nilesh.gr Twitter: http://twitter.com/nileshgr Website: http://www.itech7.com VPS Hosting: http://www.itech7.com/a/vps
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
2010/7/29 Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks mplayer does it very well. For instance: $ mplayer http://www.radio.ufscar.br:8000/radioufscar_96.ogg Sometimes you will need to use the flag -playlist -- Rafael Beraldo http://cabaladada.org
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Rafael Beraldo rafaelluisbera...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/29 Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks mplayer does it very well. For instance: $ mplayer http://www.radio.ufscar.br:8000/radioufscar_96.ogg Sometimes you will need to use the flag -playlist -- Rafael Beraldo http://cabaladada.org how do i get the playlist for shoutcast?
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Rafael Beraldo rafaelluisbera...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/29 Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks mplayer does it very well. For instance: $ mplayer http://www.radio.ufscar.br:8000/radioufscar_96.ogg Sometimes you will need to use the flag -playlist -- Rafael Beraldo http://cabaladada.org how do i get the playlist for shoutcast? It should be available in the broadcaster's site. -- Regards, Nilesh Govindarajan Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/nilesh.gr Twitter: http://twitter.com/nileshgr Website: http://www.itech7.com VPS Hosting: http://www.itech7.com/a/vps
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
On the shoutcast website, go to help-settings Set it to use your default player. Back on the browsing pages of shoutcast, right click the play icon and choose copy URL or similar. That is the URL of the playlist. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Rafael Beraldo rafaelluisbera...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/29 Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks mplayer does it very well. For instance: $ mplayer http://www.radio.ufscar.br:8000/radioufscar_96.ogg Sometimes you will need to use the flag -playlist -- Rafael Beraldo http://cabaladada.org how do i get the playlist for shoutcast? -- Alexander Lam
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
2010/7/29 Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com how do i get the playlist for shoutcast? You will need the URL of the streaming. For instance, if you need to listen to bebop you will go to this page http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Bop. It has a list of radios that play bebop. You choose one and then you copy its URL with your mouse, by clicking right and then “copy url” or something like that. To listen to jazzradio.com, you would run: $ mplayer -playlist http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=1378050 Quite straightforward, isn't it? -- Rafael Beraldo http://cabaladada.org
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
2010/7/29 Angel Velásquez an...@archlinux.com.ve: Do you know that there is some human intervention in the process to make these packages? those humans who are in the process called devs, trusted users, etc .. If you want the last version of _perl_ (or any other package) and it's not on the repos yet, you can compile yourself, share it with the pkgbuilds (if you want), or just wait until this or those human(s) have a free time to make the package(s) and do the tests, or you want a broken package but _updated_ ?. Just so you know I volunteered to be a junior dev and was rejected. I have ~400 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mL=2K=xenoterracide packages on the AUR. I file out of date packages on on Arch every day. I think I filed ALL the rebuild bugs (for perl- packages ) for 5.12. I've been running it for 3 months. I think I've done everything I /can/ to get this rolled out. The fact is the small, very small amount of work that has yet to be done... I can't do. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.com
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Rafael Beraldo rafaelluisbera...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/29 Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com how do i get the playlist for shoutcast? You will need the URL of the streaming. For instance, if you need to listen to bebop you will go to this page http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Bop. It has a list of radios that play bebop. You choose one and then you copy its URL with your mouse, by clicking right and then “copy url” or something like that. To listen to jazzradio.com, you would run: $ mplayer -playlist http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=1378050 Quite straightforward, isn't it? -- Rafael Beraldo http://cabaladada.org it is but getting the link is hard. anyways got one link listening to it now. :)
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
At Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:50:49 +0530, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Not sure about shoutcast, but mocp can play internet radio. Use mocp -a http://mp3.radioultra.ru/ultra-128 to add it into playlist.
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
On 07/29/2010 12:20 PM, Madhurya Kakati wrote: Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks I use the audacious player. DR
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: Just so you know I volunteered to be a junior dev and was rejected. I have ~400 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mL=2K=xenoterracide packages on the AUR. I file out of date packages on on Arch every day. I think I filed ALL the rebuild bugs (for perl- packages ) for 5.12. I've been running it for 3 months. I think I've done everything I /can/ to get this rolled out. The fact is the small, very small amount of work that has yet to be done... I can't do. Wow, you surely are my hero... Do your own perl package distribution, and .. as I said I didn't found any e-mail giving thanks to the devs when kde and gcc was released, so I just hope that you will do that in the future as the complainings that you gave us today :) Mental note: do not feed a troll That means, that this is my last e-mail on this thread. Cheers! -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.netwrote: On 07/29/2010 12:20 PM, Madhurya Kakati wrote: Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks I use the audacious player. DR Or any number of the players listed here can handle various formats of streaming audio: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Common_Applications#Audio -- The world is full of tough guys. It doesn't need me to be one, too.
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks vlc it also comes with a precompiled list of icecast streams (navigation - playlist - Internet) greetings -- bbs: nblock aur: notizblock
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
Is there any good native linux app for streaming online radio? I prefer shoutcast. Thanks vlc it also comes with a precompiled list of icecast streams (navigation - playlist - Internet) greetings -- bbs: nblock aur: notizblock
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
Sort of on the same topic here but is there a way to pull the stream location out of a radio stations web player so I can listen without having to open a web browser. Here's the site I'm trying to stream - http://corusmedia.media.streamtheworld.com/player/Player.htm?id=cfmifmcity=Vancouverbdskey=4777url=http://www.rock101.complatform=EMMISAMactive=true http://www.linuxgeek.ca
[arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
Hi guys, I'm having this rare issue: several days ago I installed some things from [Testing] and because I don't wanna screw-up my system I turned it off. Since then, every day I check for updates -roughly 10 days more or less- pacman keeps telling it's all up-to-date while I know there's nearly everyday an update while not within several hours, at least in my system with what I have installed. Also I was using packer (a community tool to deal with AUR) which keeps telling some installed packages (14) were newer than those found in theire repos (not from AUR but from extra and community rpositories). Today I downloaded latest mirrorlist, did a # pacman -Syy pacman -Suu and gave system is up-to-date which is in fact very strange, I mean, come on, there wasn't any updates in all these days? I don't think so :p But the weirdest thing is afeter issue those orders I did a $ packer -Syu to update AUR packages and guess what? I remember I had something like 140 packages installed from AUR but this time packer wanted to check for 1272 packages lol The weirdest thing? I can't install ABS, as you hear it, pacman can't found it in extra (or community or wherever it resides). So the million question here is: is there *any* way to initialize whole pacman and it local repositories cache? I think of it as the last resort to may be fix this. Thanks!
Re: [arch-general] how to listen to internet radio?
On 07/29/2010 07:13 PM, John Holbrook wrote: Sort of on the same topic here but is there a way to pull the stream location out of a radio stations web player so I can listen without having to open a web browser. Here's the site I'm trying to stream - http://corusmedia.media.streamtheworld.com/player/Player.htm?id=cfmifmcity=Vancouverbdskey=4777url=http://www.rock101.complatform=EMMISAMactive=true http://www.linuxgeek.ca That would be a page that I would avoid and forget about, it seems to be riddled with flash and most probably is meant to be played in the browser only. I don't know who thought it would be a good idea to lock the usage to the browser but it sure is a bad idea. -- Mauro Santos
Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:53:33 -0300 Martín Cigorraga martosurf7...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I'm having this rare issue: several days ago I installed some things from [Testing] and because I don't wanna screw-up my system I turned it off. Since then, every day I check for updates -roughly 10 days more or less- pacman keeps telling it's all up-to-date while I know there's nearly everyday an update while not within several hours, at least in my system with what I have installed. Also I was using packer (a community tool to deal with AUR) which keeps telling some installed packages (14) were newer than those found in theire repos (not from AUR but from extra and community rpositories). Today I downloaded latest mirrorlist, did a # pacman -Syy pacman -Suu and gave system is up-to-date which is in fact very strange, I mean, come on, there wasn't any updates in all these days? I don't think so :p But the weirdest thing is afeter issue those orders I did a $ packer -Syu to update AUR packages and guess what? I remember I had something like 140 packages installed from AUR but this time packer wanted to check for 1272 packages lol The weirdest thing? I can't install ABS, as you hear it, pacman can't found it in extra (or community or wherever it resides). So the million question here is: is there *any* way to initialize whole pacman and it local repositories cache? I think of it as the last resort to may be fix this. Thanks! Can you pastebin your pacman.conf please? Also, picking packages from testing and then diabeling it might cause your system to break too :). Either use testing or don't, mixing like that is generally unsafe.
[arch-general] Arch forum closed for maintenance?
I guess I'm enough of an addict to Arch info that not having access to the Arch forum for a few minutes is like Humphrey Bogart having to go without a cigarette after a nice meal. Is the forum presently down for maintenance? I get a request for a logon and password, and when I supply these (perhaps unwisely, if the forum is being hacked), I still don't get logged on. I'm assuming it's legitimate downtime for maintenance, but I haven't seen an announcement. Does anybody know?
Re: [arch-general] Arch forum closed for maintenance?
Mauro Santos wrote: It is maintenance downtime, check arch-dev-public for more info and updates. O.K., thanks. I had seen the header, but I'm so dense that I thought FluxBB had something to do with either the Flux or BlackBox window managers that I played around with many years ago.
Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
On 30/07/10 04:53, Martín Cigorraga wrote: But the weirdest thing is afeter issue those orders I did a $ packer -Syu to update AUR packages and guess what? I remember I had something like 140 packages installed from AUR but this time packer wanted to check for 1272 packages lol Hmmm... do you have anything in /var/lib/pacman/local? It sounds like you have lost your package database somehow. Allan
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Caleb Cushingxenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: Just so you know I volunteered to be a junior dev and was rejected. I have ~400 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mL=2K=xenoterracide packages on the AUR. I file out of date packages on on Arch every day. I think I filed ALL the rebuild bugs (for perl- packages ) for 5.12. I've been running it for 3 months. I think I've done everything I /can/ to get this rolled out. The fact is the small, very small amount of work that has yet to be done... I can't do. The goal of Arch Linux is not to package things faster than everybody else. The goal of Arch is to make the distribution that the developers want to use. It just happens that Arch developers like having most things packaged quickly so that is what we do. If we happen to be delayed updating something, it is either because no developer has the time to update it or no developer particular cares about updating it. We develop this distribution in our own free time so will get to things when we want to, not when demand dictates it. And yes you have filed bugs about rebuilds, and yes you applied to be a junior dev. However, your demanding attitude in repeated emails with regards to this update means that we would much rather have a delayed perl release that have you on the developer team. We rate not being an ass much high than technical skill when selecting people when selecting people to work with. Allan
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On Thu 29 Jul 2010 10:05 -0400, Caleb Cushing wrote: of perl http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2010/07/perls-state-in-mandriva-cooker.html how embarrassing. Congrats to them! How's that embarrassing?
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Caleb Cushingxenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: Just so you know I volunteered to be a junior dev and was rejected. I have ~400 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mL=2K=xenoterracide packages on the AUR. I file out of date packages on on Arch every day. I think I filed ALL the rebuild bugs (for perl- packages ) for 5.12. I've been running it for 3 months. I think I've done everything I /can/ to get this rolled out. The fact is the small, very small amount of work that has yet to be done... I can't do. The goal of Arch Linux is not to package things faster than everybody else. The goal of Arch is to make the distribution that the developers want to use. It just happens that Arch developers like having most things packaged quickly so that is what we do. If we happen to be delayed updating something, it is either because no developer has the time to update it or no developer particular cares about updating it. We develop this distribution in our own free time so will get to things when we want to, not when demand dictates it. And yes you have filed bugs about rebuilds, and yes you applied to be a junior dev. However, your demanding attitude in repeated emails with regards to this update means that we would much rather have a delayed perl release that have you on the developer team. We rate not being an ass much high than technical skill when selecting people when selecting people to work with. Allan I think everyone is missing the OP's point. Seems he has done a lot of work already to bring this version of perl to Arch. Work that is going to be done anyways by a Arch developer. If there is some technical reason to not except them. Then by all means just state the technical reasons maybe he can fix them. But this is not the first time I have seen this kinda of contradiction. If anyone has a bug or problem they are told to submit patches. When they have patches they then have to jump through so many hoops they never get submitted. Or they get flamed to the point they rather not contribute every again. I find it hard to believe that a distribution that contains how many thousands of opensource project in it's repositories. Has failed to adopt a more open development process then this. Regards, Mike
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On 30/07/10 11:23, mike rosset wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Allan McRaeal...@archlinux.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Caleb Cushingxenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: Just so you know I volunteered to be a junior dev and was rejected. I have ~400 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mL=2K=xenoterracide packages on the AUR. I file out of date packages on on Arch every day. I think I filed ALL the rebuild bugs (for perl- packages ) for 5.12. I've been running it for 3 months. I think I've done everything I /can/ to get this rolled out. The fact is the small, very small amount of work that has yet to be done... I can't do. The goal of Arch Linux is not to package things faster than everybody else. The goal of Arch is to make the distribution that the developers want to use. It just happens that Arch developers like having most things packaged quickly so that is what we do. If we happen to be delayed updating something, it is either because no developer has the time to update it or no developer particular cares about updating it. We develop this distribution in our own free time so will get to things when we want to, not when demand dictates it. And yes you have filed bugs about rebuilds, and yes you applied to be a junior dev. However, your demanding attitude in repeated emails with regards to this update means that we would much rather have a delayed perl release that have you on the developer team. We rate not being an ass much high than technical skill when selecting people when selecting people to work with. Allan I think everyone is missing the OP's point. Seems he has done a lot of work already to bring this version of perl to Arch. Work that is going to be done anyways by a Arch developer. If there is some technical reason to not except them. Then by all means just state the technical reasons maybe he can fix them. The OPs point was that we should be embarrassed to have perl released after Mandriva has got it into their developmental repos. Note that we have had the same perl release in our developmental repo for ages the OP really was just being a wanker. My response, as it has been in all the previous emails on this topic is that it will get done when it gets done. We all have other things to do in life (including paid employment) and things get done when we get time. For many of us, things that we get paid for take priority. If I was being paid to work on Arch, then my priorities would change (my consulting rates are 100USD per hour if someone want to employ me...). But this is not the first time I have seen this kinda of contradiction. If anyone has a bug or problem they are told to submit patches. When they have patches they then have to jump through so many hoops they never get submitted. Or they get flamed to the point they rather not contribute every again. Just because you have submitted patches or bug reports (which _is_ very useful and appreciated), does not mean that our time will magically free up. It just means that we need to free up less time. The reason this particular thread got the response it did is that this is not the first such thread the OP has started and now we should apparently be embarrassed by another distro updating a package to their developmental repo. I find it hard to believe that a distribution that contains how many thousands of opensource project in it's repositories. Has failed to adopt a more open development process then this. What is not open? Everything we do is in the open. You can see every commit we make to SVN on the arch-commits list, all development discussion occurs on arch-dev-public. We are also quite open about doing this on a volunteer basis and that quite often other things take priority in our lives. I'm not sure what we could do to be more open but suggestions on that (in a separate thread) would be welcome. Allan
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Smith Dhumbumroong zodma...@gmail.com wrote: I'd rather wait and let the devs sort out any/all problems with the new version of perl, or any software for that matter, before releasing it, rather than rushing to releasing it in order to win a nonexistent race. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: The goal of Arch Linux is not to package things faster than everybody else. The goal of Arch is to make the distribution that the developers want to use. It just happens that Arch developers like having most things packaged quickly so that is what we do. you know Allan... every time I hear what arch /is/ I hear something different. Arch /is/ a rolling distribution, it is not meant to be as stable as other distributions. This does not mean we release everything carelessly, and we generally have a good balance between 'stable' and 'current'. I'm generally not dissatisfied. My point by the way is that this could have been released to stable ~3 months ago. I really would like to not see Mandriva, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, and Fedora all have it in their stable distro's when we don't. As I've pointed out OpenSuse already has it in there stable 11.3. You can call me a wanker, and talk about your life all you want... but I volunteered to help, I know another that did too. We were turned down. I can't do what I don't have the 'privileges' to do, and neither can anyone else. There aren't any patches needed (so far as I can tell). The only thing left to do is rebuild community -dbd's and move everything to stable (so far as I can tell), if there's more no one has mentioned it. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.com
Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
Hi guys and thanks for your time. @ Rafael: already did that but I narrowed the error, see below. @ Øyvind: done: http://pastebin.org/430438 . As you see, everything seems allright :p @ Allan: /var/lib/pacman/local seems allrigth too, here is it's content: http://pastebin.org/430449 . One thing I just noticed -alas, my mind's on the cloud, literally- is pacman isn't actually downloading/updating repos, look out this output: http://pastebin.org/430461 Damn, I'm pretty sure that mean something, at least pacman isn't working at it should be. I'm researching on this but still no clue on what happening here... Martín 2010/7/29, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org: On 30/07/10 04:53, Martín Cigorraga wrote: But the weirdest thing is afeter issue those orders I did a $ packer -Syu to update AUR packages and guess what? I remember I had something like 140 packages installed from AUR but this time packer wanted to check for 1272 packages lol Hmmm... do you have anything in /var/lib/pacman/local? It sounds like you have lost your package database somehow. Allan
Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
oops, sorry for the top-posting 2010/7/29, Martín Cigorraga martosurf7...@gmail.com: Hi guys and thanks for your time. @ Rafael: already did that but I narrowed the error, see below. @ Øyvind: done: http://pastebin.org/430438 . As you see, everything seems allright :p @ Allan: /var/lib/pacman/local seems allrigth too, here is it's content: http://pastebin.org/430449 . One thing I just noticed -alas, my mind's on the cloud, literally- is pacman isn't actually downloading/updating repos, look out this output: http://pastebin.org/430461 Damn, I'm pretty sure that mean something, at least pacman isn't working at it should be. I'm researching on this but still no clue on what happening here... Martín 2010/7/29, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org: On 30/07/10 04:53, Martín Cigorraga wrote: But the weirdest thing is afeter issue those orders I did a $ packer -Syu to update AUR packages and guess what? I remember I had something like 140 packages installed from AUR but this time packer wanted to check for 1272 packages lol Hmmm... do you have anything in /var/lib/pacman/local? It sounds like you have lost your package database somehow. Allan
Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
Sorry about those two emails, I posted from Konqueror and seems it can't handle this... Nevermind, this is my actual /eetc/pacman.d/mirrorlist file after downloading newest version and rankmirroring it: http://pastebin.org/430494 Thanks.
Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
I tried this little trick but didn't work: http://pastebin.org/430543 After issuing # pacman -Syy I get the same http://pastebin.org/430461. grr...
Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
Ok: thanks to the *excellent* Arch Wiki I had the idea too boot from the Arch CD and take a look at /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist. To my surprise, or not, once I copy it to my Arch install it worked allright. I remember some days ago there was a discussion about how useful could be using Architecture = auto instead 686 or x86_64 in /etc/pacman.conf. Since /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist uses two variables passed by pacman which first read in it's config file, may be a bug relating that's preventing pacman from accesing repositories? Also, weird enough, why in the world [catalyst] Server = http://catalyst.apocalypsus.net/repo/catalyst/x86_64 don't work!? Repo is online and perfectly accesible via web. Also it don't use any variable in the url so what's going on here? Getting more and more confused... Martin
Re: [arch-general] Pacman fails to update?
*UPDATE* After spring-cleaning /var/lib/pacman and /var/lib/pacman/sync [catalyst] repo is working fine again. I'm doing a full update now after which I will backup /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, download latest and test it and report back here.
Re: [arch-general] mandriva beat us to a new version
On 30/07/10 12:28, Caleb Cushing wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Smith Dhumbumroongzodma...@gmail.com wrote: I'd rather wait and let the devs sort out any/all problems with the new version of perl, or any software for that matter, before releasing it, rather than rushing to releasing it in order to win a nonexistent race. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Allan McRaeal...@archlinux.org wrote: The goal of Arch Linux is not to package things faster than everybody else. The goal of Arch is to make the distribution that the developers want to use. It just happens that Arch developers like having most things packaged quickly so that is what we do. you know Allan... every time I hear what arch /is/ I hear something different. Arch /is/ a rolling distribution, it is not meant to be as stable as other distributions. This does not mean we release everything carelessly, and we generally have a good balance between 'stable' and 'current'. I'm generally not dissatisfied. My point by the way is that this could have been released to stable ~3 months ago. I really would like to not see Mandriva, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, and Fedora all have it in their stable distro's when we don't. As I've pointed out OpenSuse already has it in there stable 11.3. My point remains that same. It will get done when: 1) a developer cares enough about perl and 2) that developer has time to finish the update. Until a point of time you have a couple of options. Use the [testing] repo or, given you appear to know what you are doing, select individual packages to install from there. Or you could wait... I hear rumors of it being moved in the next few days, and certainly before we tackle the python rebuild in two weeks time. You can call me a wanker, and talk about your life all you want... but I volunteered to help, I know another that did too. We were turned down. I can't do what I don't have the 'privileges' to do, and neither can anyone else. There aren't any patches needed (so far as I can tell). The only thing left to do is rebuild community -dbd's and move everything to stable (so far as I can tell), if there's more no one has mentioned it. As I said earlier, I know you volunteered, and the bug reports you have file were useful, but with emails like the one starting this thread: On 29/07/2010, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: mandriva beat us to a new version of perl http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2010/07/perls-state-in-mandriva-cooker.html how embarrassing. the general impression I am left with is that you were not someone to bring on to the developer team to do this job, not because of lack of skill, but because of attitude. As I said earlier, attitude is often more important than competency. Allan
